heaven or hell???

[lovely_gurl_of_rose]

by judging yourself where do you think you will go after death:

heaven or hell.

[Eris]

by judging yourself where do you think you will go after death:

heaven or hell.

By what standards are we to judge ourself? According to Fred Phelps and his merry band of fanatics (the Westboro Baptist Church), pretty much everyone will go to hell.

[NinnaMoon]

Honestly now I'd probably go to somewhere that wasn't expected! That way it leaves to door wide open for either direction ya know!

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I'm going to Disneyland!™

[Eris]

I'm going to Disneyland!™

I thought you didn't believe in hell.

[Totsean]

Neither, i'll experience what I please.

And if there was such a thing as the stereotypical heaven or hell, then it would be no better or worse than reality we have on earth. Atleast not for long. The concept of heaven and hell implies that they are in the realm of the relative (everything has an opposite). If our sense of pleasure increases, then so must our sense of pain.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I thought you didn't believe in hell.

Well, I do if you define Walt Disney as God and Hell as a place created to punish the wicked.

[Antares]

You're telling me that living in this world is not enough punishment? Now, I feel shocked, appalled, confused, cheated and out of more expressions!

[Eris]

Well, I do if you define Walt Disney as God and Hell as a place created to punish the wicked.

Honestly, Dante's description of hell seems like a walk in the park when compared to a trip to Disneyland. A trip to Disneyland is no trip to Disneyland, you know.

[Akira Kogami[LC]]

By what standards are we to judge ourself? According to Fred Phelps and his merry band of fanatics (the Westboro Baptist Church), pretty much everyone will go to hell.

Pretty much everyone will.

[Beast]

Personally I don't believe much in a set heaven or hell. I believe there to be many heavens and hells. When you die and are NOT reincarnated I believe you would go to your ideal heaven, and if you're bad you would go to A hell created by your worst memories. I always believed that if I wasn't reincarnated I would go to "Hell" and it would be a movie theatre where for eternity I would watch all of my memories

[oscar_encinas_pattzy]

I honestly thinks that I would go to purgatory 'cause of many things I've say, and stuff... But I would go to heaven because I'm a good person, yayyyy...

[Eris]

Pretty much everyone will.

Though given the crowd heaven seems to attract, I'm not sure if I'd want to spend eternity there. I mean, you've got various suicide bombers, moral majority, inquisitors, terrorists, Phelps et. al., Koresh et.al.; the list just keeps rolling.

[Musaki]

Heaven because I believe in God and I worship him

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Though given the crowd heaven seems to attract, I'm not sure if I'd want to spend eternity there. I mean, you've got various suicide bombers, moral majority, inquisitors, terrorists, Phelps et. al., Koresh et.al.; the list just keeps rolling.

Don't forget Hitler, the TV Evangelists, Pedo Priests.

[Beast]

Don't forget Hitler, the TV Evangelists, Pedo Priests.

Pedo.... Priests... Redundant redundant!

[-Kitsune-]

I think I will be going to hell, actually. Not because Im a bad person but because of those ten commandments or whatever.
"Respect thy parents" My father is a drunk screw-up and I told him I hate him. I'd call that a violation.
Theres the main one, but if that weren't in the way I'd probably go to heaven (I hope).

[Antares]

"Respect thy parents" My father is a drunk screw-up and I told him I hate him. I'd call that a violation.

If you can get the right lawyer, maybe you can achieve Salvation™.

Drunk screw-up= Not a good father, therefor a bigger sinner than you. Abide by the saying: Thief who robs thief, has 100 years of forgiveness.

You can also say: "But, my Lord, father isn't the one who gives you life (in this world)... Is the one who raises you properly and loves you".

 

And yes, I'm joking.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Drunk screw-up= Not a good father, therefor a bigger sinner than you. Abide by the saying: Thief who robs thief, has 100 years of forgiveness.

Based on a Google search, I would say that is not a biblical quote, but a Portuguese folk-saying... so... THAT ISN'T EVEN CANON.

Besides, God (assuming you conceder some parts of the Bible canon and not others) will let you into Heaven no matter what you do; just so long as you lick his metaphorical boots ask his forgiveness.

[Antares]

Based on a Google search, I would say that is not a biblical quote, but a Portuguese folk-saying... so... THAT ISN'T EVEN CANON.

I never said it was from the Bible, just that it was a saying. But interesting, if I want to go to heaven, I just need to

 

kiss His holy butt

repent.

[Raidou Kuzunoha]

1) I don't think about this question.

2) "It's a Small World" in Disneyland is worse than hell.

[Totsean]

Don't forget Hitler, the TV Evangelists, Pedo Priests.

I think Hitler and all those other people went to heaven. I'll quote myself from another forum explaining why i think so.

Yet what if I told you that what you call "death" is the greatest thing that could happen to anyone - what then?

You think that life on Earth is better than life in heaven? I tell you this, at the moment of your death you will realize the greatest freedom, the greatest peace, the greatest joy, and the greatest love you have ever known.

The Hitler experience was made possible as a result of group consciousness. Many people want to say that Hitler manipulated a group - in this case, his countrymen- through the cunning and the mastery of his rhetoric. But this conveniently lays all the blame at Hitlers feet - which is exactly where the mass of people want it.

But Hitler could do nothing without the cooperation and support and willing submission of millions of people. The subgroup which called itself Germans must assume an enormous burden of responsibility for the Holocaust. As must, to some degree, the larger group called Humans, which if it did nothing else, allowed itself to remain indifferent and apathetic to the suffering in Germany until it reached a scale that even the most cold-hearted isolationists could no longer ignore it.

You see, it was collectvie consciousness which provided fertile soil for the growth of the Nazi movement. Hitler seized the moment, but he did not create it.

It's important to understand the lesson here. A group consciousness which speaks constantly of speration and superiority produces loss of compassion on a massive scale, and loss of compassion is inevitably followed by loss of conscience.

A collective concept rooted in strict nationalism ignores the plight of others, yet makes everyone else responsible for yours, thus justifying retaliation, 'rectification", and war.

Auschwitz was the Nazi solution to - an attempt to "rectify" - the "Jewish Problem"

The horror of the Hitler Experience was not that he perpetrated it on the human race, but that the human race allowed him to
The astonishment is not only that a Hitler came along, but also that so many others went along.

The shame is not only that Hitler killed millions of Jews, but also that millions of Jews had to be killed before Hitler was stopped.

The purpose of the Hitler Experience was to show humanity to itself.
Throughout history you have had remarkable teachers, each presenting extraordinary opportunities to remember Who You Really Are. These teachers have shown you the highest and the lowest of the human experience.

They have presented vivid, breathtaking examples of what it can mean to be human - of where one can go with the experience, of where one can go with experience, of where the lot of you can and will go, given your consciosness.

The thing to remember: Consciousness is everything, and creates your experience. Group consciousness is powerful and produces outcomes of unspeakable beauty or ugliness. The choice is always yours.

If you are not satisfied with the consciousness of your group, seek to change it.

The best way to change the consciosness of others is by your example.

If your example is not enough, form your own group - you be the source of the consciousness you wish others to experience. They will - when they do.

It begins with you. Everything. All things.

You want the world to change? Change things in your own world.

Hitler gave you a golden opportunity to do that. The Hitler Experience - like the Christ experience - is profound in it's implications and the truths it revealed to you about you. Yet those larger awarenesses live - in the case of Hitler or Buddha, Genghis Kahn or Hare Krishna, Atilla the Hun or Jesus Christ - only so long as your memories of them live.

That is why the jews build monuments to the Holocaust and ask you to never forget it. For there is a little bit of Hitler in all of you - and it is only a matter of degree. Wiping out a people is wiping out a people, whether at Auschwitz or wherever.

The consciousness of seperation, segregation, and superiority - of "we" versus "they", of "us" and "them" - is what creates the Hitler experience.

The consciousness of Divine Brotherhood, of unity, of Oneness, of "ours" rather than "yours"/"mine" is what creates the Christ Experience.

Bottom line: Hitler did nothing "wrong". Hitler simply did what he did. I remind you again that for many years millions thought he was "right". How then, could he help but this so?

If you float out a crazy idea, and then milion people agree with you, you might not think you are so crazy.

The world finally decided that Hitler was "wrong" That is to say, the worlds people made a new assessment of Who They Are, and Who They Chose To Be, in relationship to the Hitler experience.

He Held up a yard stick! He set up a parameter, a border against which we could measure and limit our ideas about ourselves. Christ did the same thing, at the other end of the spectrum.

There have been other Christ, and other Hitlers. And there will be again. Be ever vigilant, then. For people of both high and low consciousness walk among you - even as you walk among thers. Which consciousness do you take?

[JD_Himself]

I'll rot in the ground, but just to answer the question, if there was such a thing as heaven and hell OOOOOOOOOOO Devil look out the prince of darkness is comming for his throne!

[dark_is_light]

Sorry, I don't believe in or adhere to the Christian archetype. I'm agnostic, by the way. You know though, if Christianity was verified, I would end up in hell for not believing in it. Oh well, what will be will be.

[MysticEntity]

Dunno, dun care. Depends on your definition of hell and heaven.