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    I do wish AF had a front page.... But I have no idea on what else we could put on it besides SOTW's BOTM's and WOTM's and forum news that we barely have :/
    Maybe someone can be a radio host and go over the events in the forum. "It's just in, ____ was eating tuna on Monday, April 16 according to the what are you eating thread, Video gamer has been banned, again. The new and popular thread which is all the rave this week is the _____ thread"

    I can see someone doing that xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaruDashi View Post
    A forum I really enjoyed participating in was lucid-art. The have a beginner sotw and an advance sotw. Some of the comments posted were a bit elitist, but for the most part everyone was really very friendly. No entry was without flaw, and even entries people voted for would have comments on what they felt could be improved, and it was all written very politely.

    Really, I stopped bothering because I got tired of feeling like "oh, this person won? EVERYONE ELSE MUST SUCK THEN." from the other members. And really, theres been a few members that have been a little too boastful about their wins. It just really irritated me.

    The difference between here and lucid is that lucid actually felt like a *community*. I was very welcomed when I joined and was given lots of help and tips on my work. It was never cruel, but it wasnt sugar coated either. Many would link me to really awesome tutorials to help me out, whereas here sig threads are, as Serated pointed out, just there for ego stroking.

    Another cool thing lucid did was post winners on their front page that linked to the voting page. They posted for both advanced and beginner sotws, which rewarded the advanced members, but also gave a sort of confidence to the newer gfxers. They got to say "hey, my work is on the front page!!". Most winners of the advanced sotws would also make tutorials on their winning entry, to show others how they made their winning piece, so that everyone could learn a new style and advance with their work. None of which is done here. It would be nice if it was
    I was a member of lucid believe it or not. The attitude spread over to the parent site (Bleachexile), but that's neither here nor there. Lucid was a dedicated GFX site, not a whole lot of focus on other stuff, which is what caused them to boom

    any idea when sotw might pick back up? or maybe some minor competitions? I'm ready to load up ps again in zeal

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    Default Re: Hiatus!

    Hello, flood of awards.

    Are we doing those again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenister View Post
    Hello, flood of awards.

    Are we doing those again?
    Yeah, I thought I couldn't give them out because I was a probie, apparently I can xD
    Normal sotw should be back up in a week or so, due to popular demand!

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    Lets hope that demand stays this time >.>

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    Default Re: Hiatus!

    Is anything changing, or is it going to bring the same stupid problems?




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    Default Re: Hiatus!

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Lets hope that demand stays this time >.>
    I doubt it will, but we'll see, eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cantelope View Post
    Is anything changing, or is it going to bring the same stupid problems?
    Not really. Same thing as last time, since there's not really anything that can change besides the people who enter

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    Default Re: Hiatus!

    Maybe I should enter





    ....if I stop being lazy. >.>

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    I, for one, am excited.
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    Default Re: Hiatus!

    The rules should go back to what can only be named the "serated" era.

    If anything at least there was 99% of the time an entry, and depending on an inspired theme that came out of his warped genius mind, there could be a lot of entries.

    Also there was no dispute on "victories", becuase there was no poll any tom dick or harry could leave a vote in then leave which is a broken silly system, which can (and probably has) be easily used to someone's advantage.

    Basically for new members the rules should go back to:
    Anonymous Entries PM'd to contest runner (uploaded to a site with anonymity like TinyPic)
    And voting via a post with a half decent explanation as to why you're voting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by .Tatty. View Post
    The rules should go back to what can only be named the "serated" era.

    If anything at least there was 99% of the time an entry, and depending on an inspired theme that came out of his warped genius mind, there could be a lot of entries.

    Also there was no dispute on "victories", becuase there was no poll any tom dick or harry could leave a vote in then leave which is a broken silly system, which can (and probably has) be easily used to someone's advantage.

    Basically for new members the rules should go back to:
    Anonymous Entries PM'd to contest runner (uploaded to a site with anonymity like TinyPic)
    And voting via a post with a half decent explanation as to why you're voting.

    "And voting via a post with a half decent explanation as to why you're voting"

    Requiring that people post a reason for their votes does little to mitigate any disappointment that may arise when relatively "uneducated" members vote for sigs they truly believe are the most visually appealing.

    At this risk of sounding elitist, I feel that most designers who reach a certain point in their knowledge of design begin to differentiate between varying levels of skill and judge entries based on the their adherence to certain design conventions as opposed simply to preference. I'm not suggesting that more experienced graphic designers are infallible voters; everyone has styles/conventions to which they are particularly sensitive, but I do think certain signatures that would might receive votes from the general public would not receive votes from a design oriented member as a result of what are seen as qualitative differences.

    Thus, having votes that more experienced designers can't help but cringe at is the price you pay for having open voting.

    This is not to say that panels are superior to open voting, but rather that requiring members to post their reasons does not, in my opinion, actually solve a problem (if you even see it as such) that is simply inherent to open voting in a community that has desigers of all different skill levels.
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    Not to mention with stating your reason for voting it limits the amount of votes.. With the polls you can get about 10-20 votes (and with this some people still post why in the comments so it's not like it's a gone thing) But when you require people to say why a lot of people don't want to put "Because I think it's personally the best in my eyes and I think it's pretty" unfortunately some people can't properly critique/praise signatures and have a hard time explaining WHY exactly they like the piece as opposed to other good pieces so instead of getting 10-20 votes you may only get about 5-10 which is half.

    People need to chuck this elitist idea out of the door. We're a community NOT a close knit exclusive GFX section. We're open to anyone and it's people that think that only the best of the best should be recognized and receive any glory that is driving this section to the dirt and quite frankly at lot of people are not happy with you and you people know who you are there is quite a handful of you.. So @.Tatty. so what if tom or harry leaves a vote in then leaves. If that's what they wanna do then let them. It's none of your business now is it. Of course there's always exceptions and special cases that may arise but I just say deal with them on an as needed basis.

    Anon entries + poll voting still for me.

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    Thats not an elitist view that voting with a post needs to be implemented, its a way if voting that is more fair.

    A post could be "I voted for A, it looks the best to me, the colours are good and I like the effect."

    Rather than an in depth CnC, You need to drop that deluded idea voting with a post is elitist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by .Tatty. View Post
    The rules should go back to what can only be named the "serated" era.

    If anything at least there was 99% of the time an entry, and depending on an inspired theme that came out of his warped genius mind, there could be a lot of entries.

    Also there was no dispute on "victories", becuase there was no poll any tom dick or harry could leave a vote in then leave which is a broken silly system, which can (and probably has) be easily used to someone's advantage.

    Basically for new members the rules should go back to:
    Anonymous Entries PM'd to contest runner (uploaded to a site with anonymity like TinyPic)
    And voting via a post with a half decent explanation as to why you're voting.

    Can I interest you in some magic beans?


    Quote Originally Posted by Middy View Post
    "And voting via a post with a half decent explanation as to why you're voting"

    Requiring that people post a reason for their votes does little to mitigate any disappointment that may arise when relatively "uneducated" members vote for sigs they truly believe are the most visually appealing.

    At this risk of sounding elitist, I feel that most designers who reach a certain point in their knowledge of design begin to differentiate between varying levels of skill and judge entries based on the their adherence to certain design conventions as opposed simply to preference. I'm not suggesting that more experienced graphic designers are infallible voters; everyone has styles/conventions to which they are particularly sensitive, but I do think certain signatures that would might receive votes from the general public would not receive votes from a design oriented member as a result of what are seen as qualitative differences.

    Thus, having votes that more experienced designers can't help but cringe at is the price you pay for having open voting.

    This is not to say that panels are superior to open voting, but rather that requiring members to post their reasons does not, in my opinion, actually solve a problem (if you even see it as such) that is simply inherent to open voting in a community that has desigers of all different skill levels.

    Its really based on the evolution of one's taste in art. You do lots of smudging, I do lots of C4Ds, Blue does a lot of textures, and we tend to pick based upon what we like. That doesnt necessarily mean one particular for of execution of a theme is superior to another. But it does allow us to evolve and look at things like, 'Oh, I wonder how they did that.'

    I think its very very important to write down why you like a particular entry, it allows you better understand the things you like, and how it might reflect on you. Do you like muted color, or highly saturated ones? Do you like vertical tags, or horizontal tags? Do you like red or blue? Stuff like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Not to mention with stating your reason for voting it limits the amount of votes.. With the polls you can get about 10-20 votes (and with this some people still post why in the comments so it's not like it's a gone thing) But when you require people to say why a lot of people don't want to put "Because I think it's personally the best in my eyes and I think it's pretty" unfortunately some people can't properly critique/praise signatures and have a hard time explaining WHY exactly they like the piece as opposed to other good pieces so instead of getting 10-20 votes you may only get about 5-10 which is half.

    People need to chuck this elitist idea out of the door. We're a community NOT a close knit exclusive GFX section. We're open to anyone and it's people that think that only the best of the best should be recognized and receive any glory that is driving this section to the dirt and quite frankly at lot of people are not happy with you and you people know who you are there is quite a handful of you.. so what if tom or harry leaves a vote in then leaves. If that's what they wanna do then let them. It's none of your business now is it. Of course there's always exceptions and special cases that may arise but I just say deal with them on an as needed basis.

    Anon entries + poll voting still for me.
    Quantity vs. Quality voting. Which do you find more trust worthy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serated View Post
    Quantity vs. Quality voting. Which do you find more trust worthy?
    I find quality more trustworthy, and you do get some quality answers from polls. But I just don't want to leave out those who are not very good at it or get turned away by how much detail some of us give to voting.. I mean some of us give like paragraphs.. Maybe Joe over here only has a sentence or two to say, wouldn't they feel a bit hesitant to write it if everyone else is writing novels? XD

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    Thats the thing your getting horribly wrong and your elitism logic falls flat on its face.

    The old voting was never "paragraphs", it was a few sentences if that.


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    You're right myB.. I was thinking of something else.. But still how helpful are one liners anyways? I mean they are okay for a majority but shouldn't those of us who can do a little bit more to help each other improve?

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    Open polls and non anonymous entries. Who cares if someone cheats? Lol badges on an internet forum. Seems like we're still pent up on winning =(




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantelope View Post
    Open polls and non anonymous entries. Who cares if someone cheats? Lol badges on an internet forum. Seems like we're still pent up on winning =(
    While I can agree, even if I don't like it, that C&C voting here is pointless here I still think it should be anonymous so that it doesn't become a popularity contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serated View Post
    Its really based on the evolution of one's taste in art. You do lots of smudging, I do lots of C4Ds, Blue does a lot of textures, and we tend to pick based upon what we like. That doesnt necessarily mean one particular for of execution of a theme is superior to another. But it does allow us to evolve and look at things like, 'Oh, I wonder how they did that.'

    I think its very very important to write down why you like a particular entry, it allows you better understand the things you like, and how it might reflect on you. Do you like muted color, or highly saturated ones? Do you like vertical tags, or horizontal tags? Do you like red or blue? Stuff like that.



    Quantity vs. Quality voting. Which do you find more trust worthy?
    I agree with you that writing down the reasons for one's vote can help the voter gain a better understanding of the design elements they appreciate or wish to improve on themselves, as well as simply improving the voter's ability to provide meaningful CnC.

    However, I do not think that open voting with reason stating prevents the problems

    Tatty refered to:

    Also there was no dispute on "victories", becuase there was no poll any tom dick or harry could leave a vote in then leave which is a broken silly system, which can (and probably has) be easily used to someone's advantage.

    Basically for new members the rules should go back to:
    Anonymous Entries PM'd to contest runner (uploaded to a site with anonymity like TinyPic)
    And voting via a post with a half decent explanation as to why you're voting.
    Even with the requirement for "explanations as to why you're voting," unless you actually set a minimum bar for the comments content (which is where the calls of elitism are coming from) there is still nothing preventing any tom dick or harry from voting.

    I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing.
    I just wanted to point out to Tatty that I don't think his solution actually addresses the issue, which is an underlying skill difference among potential voters.

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    Hope we don't have any bad blood 0_o
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    Alright, I threw this thread up so I can get this settled a little easier
    http://www.animeforum.com/showthread...Public-vs-Anon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middy View Post
    I agree with you that writing down the reasons for one's vote can help the voter gain a better understanding of the design elements they appreciate or wish to improve on themselves, as well as simply improving the voter's ability to provide meaningful CnC.

    However, I do not think that open voting with reason stating prevents the problems

    Tatty refered to:



    Even with the requirement for "explanations as to why you're voting," unless you actually set a minimum bar for the comments content (which is where the calls of elitism are coming from) there is still nothing preventing any tom dick or harry from voting.

    I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing.
    I just wanted to point out to Tatty that I don't think his solution actually addresses the issue, which is an underlying skill difference among potential voters.

    P.s.

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    I dig your work and always appreciated your extracts <3
    Nope, no bad blood here. And I got a lot of Extracts coming soon, so you will be very happy.


    But on the debate of skill and novice, quality and quantity, it is difficult to put a value on things. Which is more important to you, a bunch of people saying wow that's awesome, or someone recommending you work on your color? Is the value of someone you consider your artistic equal more valuable than someone who doesnt know photoshop?

    Its really a conundrum, I agree with idea that more people should participate in this contest, but I dont like the fact that people see it as such a bothersome chore to write 1-2 sentences describing what they're looking at and WHY they look it. The terrible tragedy about art, is we dont want it to be difficult. We want to look at pretty things, say its pretty, and then move on.


    I have considered what would be a more effective solution to this. None of them seem to work.

    Divide the SOTW between Rookie and Regular. No one wants to be a rookie.
    Poll based voting. There's very very little feedback.
    Value votes based upon user.

    But in the grand scheme of things, this is a popularity contest.

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    It actually crossed my mind to divide SOTW in a totally different way. Have fortnight contest and one week be the mainstream week where anyone can vote no matter what and another week be a secluded SOTW in IS where only IS members can vote and they are required to write at least 3 sentences as to why they voted for that piece and at least 1 constructive reason why they did not vote for the rest.

    [see how I underlined constructive? Yeah that means constructive, not bash fest. Please understand the difference guys]

    However IS is dead, I don't think our IS members will go the extra mile for anything anymore. And apparently that section is going bai bai soon? But if we had the right motivation and determination from our members it'd probably be a solution worth trying. That way you get quality and quantity, just every other week.
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    Alright, thread will be up until tomorrow, so any last votes/comments are welcome (and kinda needed too)
    http://www.animeforum.com/showthread...Public-vs-Anon

    What with it being tied for comments and polls atm, I'll probably just do polls. Since you can still comment and leave your cnc's and whatnot.

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