The Madoka Paradox

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If kyubey can let people become god, then he must be god, but he isn't, but then how would he make other people god(s)? Becauae he would have to BE a god to do that!

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Kyubey isnt a God. In episode 12 its stated that wishes are limitless. Just because this is the case doesnt make him/her a God. If anything, Kyubey is more of a genie. Its why he gives Homura the power to time travel, to have people be resurrected from the dead, etc. Remember, her wish was not actually 'make me a God', it was "I wish Magical Girls didnt turn into witches". When a girl makes a wish, her powers become dependent on what the wish was [example- Sayaka wishes Kamijou's arm to be healed, thus her powers involves fast healing. Homura wishes to change her encounter with Madoka, thus she gains time travel]. The side effect of this wish, which essentially is to change the entire magical girl system, gives her the powers of a 'God'. Her wish now made it so that when a magical girl falls into despair her soul gem disappears, and the magical girl passes away. She is seen personally taking away the soul gems throughout time. However, once her wish is granted she disappears. If anything, Madoka becomes Jesus. She sacrifices herself for the other magical girls.

[QuerkyBren]

Kyubey isnt a God. In episode 12 its stated that wishes are limitless. Just because this is the case doesnt make him/her a God. If anything, Kyubey is more of a genie. Its why he gives Homura the power to time travel, to have people be resurrected from the dead, etc. Remember, her wish was not actually 'make me a God', it was "I wish Magical Girls didnt turn into witches". When a girl makes a wish, her powers become dependent on what the wish was [example- Sayaka wishes Kamijou's arm to be healed, thus her powers involves fast healing. Homura wishes to change her encounter with Madoka, thus she gains time travel]. The side effect of this wish, which essentially is to change the entire magical girl system, gives her the powers of a 'God'. Her wish now made it so that when a magical girl falls into despair her soul gem disappears, and the magical girl passes away. She is seen personally taking away the soul gems throughout time. However, once her wish is granted she disappears. If anything, Madoka becomes Jesus. She sacrifices herself for the other magical girls.

I always knew that the studio that created the anime/manga were christan or liked the concept of the religion, but one thing that is still not answered is the origins of the Incubator's. My theory of why they exist is that they are forced to do this work by a greater power as if they were not forced them they would grant there own wishes. There is no said rule that only Humans can have there wishes granted. So you can't debunk this theory.

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I always knew that the studio that created the anime/manga were christan or liked the concept of the religion, but one thing that is still not answered is the origins of the Incubator's. My theory of why they exist is that they are forced to do this work by a greater power as if they were not forced them they would grant there own wishes. There is no said rule that only Humans can have there wishes granted. So you can't debunk this theory.

...............what does that have to do with whether or not Kyubey is a God? Its confirmed that the Incubators, essentially , are aliens. He/she is also not the only Incubator, there are others.

Kyubey states that his reason for creating Witches is to collect the emotional energy of the girls. His race would then use this energy to stave off the destruction of the universe by entropy. As such, Kyubey can be seen as a "necessary evil" of sorts. His own race is incapable of feeling emotions, and as such sees humans as nothing more than convenient "energy producers". He himself does not see his own acts as "evil" in any way.

Kyubey's main goal throughout Puella Magi Madoka Magica is the conversion of Madoka Kaname into a Magical Girl. It is revealed that Homura Akemi has unwittingly boosted Madoka's magical potential to an astronomical level by going back in time repeatedly in an attempt to save her from death, creating many timelines all centered around Madoka. Kyubey states that Madoka could become the most powerful Magical Girl and then the most powerful Witch, and that her transformation could produce enough energy to singlehandedly save the universe from destruction (though her Witch may destroy Earth in the process, something Kyubey doesn't seem to care about just as long as he gets his surplus of energy).

To accomplish this, he cleverly schemes and plans to ensure that as many Magical Girls as possible die in Mitakihara Town, so that when Walpurgis Night arrived, the girl would be forced to either contract with him or allow her city to get completely destroyed.

Not a God, no paradox

[QuerkyBren]

...............what does that have to do with whether or not Kyubey is a God? Its confirmed that the Incubators, essentially , are aliens. He/she is also not the only Incubator, there are others.

Kyubey states that his reason for creating Witches is to collect the emotional energy of the girls. His race would then use this energy to stave off the destruction of the universe by entropy. As such, Kyubey can be seen as a "necessary evil" of sorts. His own race is incapable of feeling emotions, and as such sees humans as nothing more than convenient "energy producers". He himself does not see his own acts as "evil" in any way.

Kyubey's main goal throughout Puella Magi Madoka Magica is the conversion of Madoka Kaname into a Magical Girl. It is revealed that Homura Akemi has unwittingly boosted Madoka's magical potential to an astronomical level by going back in time repeatedly in an attempt to save her from death, creating many timelines all centered around Madoka. Kyubey states that Madoka could become the most powerful Magical Girl and then the most powerful Witch, and that her transformation could produce enough energy to singlehandedly save the universe from destruction (though her Witch may destroy Earth in the process, something Kyubey doesn't seem to care about just as long as he gets his surplus of energy).

To accomplish this, he cleverly schemes and plans to ensure that as many Magical Girls as possible die in Mitakihara Town, so that when Walpurgis Night arrived, the girl would be forced to either contract with him or allow her city to get completely destroyed.

Not a God, no paradox

But how was the first witch born because there would have to make one and that would mean that they would have to
a) Get many other magical girls and torture them into a witch
or
b) Create one artificially.


That could mean that the Incubator's are some type of higher power and something is trying to destroy them, which could be the whitches themselves, which were created by Kyubey. This means Kyubey might have planned this out (much like god)

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But how was the first witch born because there would have to make one and that would mean that they would have to
a) Get many other magical girls and torture them into a witch
or
b) Create one artificially.


That could mean that the Incubator's are some type of higher power and something is trying to destroy them, which could be the whitches themselves, which were created by Kyubey. This means Kyubey might have planned this out (much like god)

Its explained pretty much at the beginning of the series. When a girl makes a wish, she creates a pact to become a magical girl. When she become a magical girl, her soul is turned into a soul gem. The more she uses her power, the more the soul gem becomes corrupt, thus the need for Grief Seeds. The seeds takes out the impurities of the soul gems, thus helping keep the magical girl alive.

The first witch, Im sure, was born from a random girl who became a magical girl because reasons. Remember, we see Madoka going to girls in the past to take their soul gems. Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Anne Frank...who says they had to become magical girls just to fight witches? They might have become magical girls to help their country/the world. But again, using their powers corrupts their soul gem

The minute a soul gem becomes black, a magical girls soul becomes fully corrupted, and thus she becomes a witch, her soul gem turning into a grief seed.

At the end of Magica, Homura tells Kyubey about how magical girls became witches, which he/she has no memory of. If Kyubey were a god he/she would still remember this fact. Instead, he/she realizes that witches have far more potential for harnessing energy over fighting wraiths [which is now the new universe] and thus hatches a plan to turn Homura into a witch [she becomes Homulilly, this takes place in the movie "Rebellion Story"]. The plan was to keep Madoka from taking away Homuras soul gem as she started to die and thus the incubators could capture her and learn more about her power. This, of course, fails.

Why would a God need to trap Madoka? Why would they need to learn about her power?? Why cant they simply change things back to they way things were with the witch system? Most importantly- why have the magical girl/witch system to begin with?? Its done to collect the emotional energy of the girls to stop the destruction of the universe through entropy. Why would an alien race of gods need to do this?? Because remember, Its confirmed Kyubey is one of many. Its confirmed in episode 9 incubators are an advanced alien race. Not gods.

The only reason Madoka herself was able to become a god was because Homura kept creating new timelines. She unwittingly boosted Madoka's magical potential to an astronomical level by going back in time repeatedly in an attempt to save her from death, creating many timelines all centered around Madoka. Because Homura kept resetting, Madoka's potential kept increasing [and only hers because the resets/Homuras wish is centered around her]. So, lets say each girl has a potential of 5 points. Everytime Homura reset the timeline Madoka wouldnt reset with 5 points, she'd *gain* 5 points. We're never given an exact number on how many times Homura reset the timeline, but it boosted Madokas potential to that of a god in the final episode.

Kyubey didnt create a god, Homura did.