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Seriously, why would we want romance comics to come out?
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I read one directed at 15 year old American girls.
But thats it really...
And yes, Why DO we want Romance comics?
Big woop, one sub-genre that pollutes book shelves, Television, Movies, and even Video Games to an extent.
However, there were a TON of Romance Comics back in the 50's-60's during the Golden Age of comics...But, oh wait, Comics Code came by, then those series all failed.
But you're wrong, there is more than just shonen and shojo You're trying to say seinen, redisu, josei and a slew of others don't exsist. But the fact is there is a manga out there for any age group and there is a lot of it. And even if there was only shonen and shojo those are just demographics, that cover DOZENS of genres. And not only that were talking demographics that aren't even on the same spectrum in terms of content and style. Saying 90% of manga is just shonen and shojo is pretty much saying manga spans every genre out there with many contrasting styles. You just can't clump manga together like that it simply doesn't work.
I don't know, perhaps to get an untapped market into a dying industry? Just because you wont read them doesn't mean they wouldn't help the industry.Why DO we want Romance comics?
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But Anonymous told me to read it.
I'm a lemming with no mind of my own.
But rest assured. I never wasted any of my actual money to read this.
and Rem...
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Here, Knock yourself out.
If you want other comic book genre's, or non-super hero comics, then look.
Theres plenty of diffrent genre's in there for all age groups.
They already TRIED Romance comics. They FAILED.I don't know, perhaps to get an untapped market into a dying industry? Just because you wont read them doesn't mean they wouldn't help the industry.
And the industry isn't dying, trust me.
Take Marvel and DC.
Mostly Super Hero comics, right? They can't POSSIBLY make much money, Right? After all, it's only ONE Genre.
Wrong.
The money they AREN'T making from comic books?
They're making from Movies, TV shows, Cartoons, Video Games, Toys, a butt ton of merchandise with such crap as posters, childrens back packs, character statues, trading card games, ect ect.
And all of these things also help boast comic sales in the longe run. A little kid gets back from seeing Spider-Man 2 with his parents, he wants to go out and buy spider-man comics and merchandise.
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There are many more discontinued manga series than American series because there's just too many. Romance comics wouldn't help the industry, all the series would most likely be killed after the first 15-20 issues. If it's targeted towards teen girls, they're probably too big on manga to give American comics a chance and won't buy the American comics anyways. And I highly doubt it would bring in much revenue.
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Yeah, this is pretty much accurate.
...Which makes me wonder why Spider-Man loves mary jane sells...
Yes, they did try, they tried 40 years ago. Given the fact that romance manga is increadibly popular with girls in todays market. I see no reason in the world why american creators couldn't produce them and make a mint.They already TRIED Romance comics. They FAILED.
Who cares? Just because they can sell a lot of spider man crap means the character is popular not that the comic industry isn't dying in the U.s. Comic book shops have been dying year after year until now where I think there's like 2000 real comic shops in the states. How many crashes has the comic industry had again?The money they AREN'T making from comic books?
What do you mean by discountinued? That the mangaka isn't making any more or that a publisher dropped it? In which case the only publishers that drop things regularly is tokyopop and ADV, the ladder of which hardly puts stuff out any more anyway.There are many more discontinued manga series than American series because there's just too many
Your arguement has no base at all, romance manga are selling very well. And if they are marketed the right way the could do the same for american comics.Romance comics wouldn't help the industry, all the series would most likely be killed after the first 15-20 issues.
Again this has no basis at all, especially since no one has really tried to push for it. How can you say it will fail when girls are buying romance manga and for a span of 20 years they even did well in the U.s.If it's targeted towards teen girls, they're probably too big on manga to give American comics a chance and won't buy the American comics anyways. And I highly doubt it would bring in much revenue.
Putting the romance aside you guys are getting bogged down from the main point. American comics need more viable genres, romance is only one of them.
There's really only one way to interpret "discontinued" in this case. They stop publishing them.
Romance manga is selling well to the japanophiles who wouldn't pick up an American comic book to save their lives.
And you keep saying we need more genres. Why? We got horror, comedy, mystery, action/adventure, fantasy, sci-fi, movie-based, game-based, samurai drama, and I'll even say romance (Spider-Man loves Mary Jane). Manga has too many branches, all of which could be more easily clumped together in accurate filing.
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What do you mean we have? How many samuari dramas come out in american comics? All I can think of is the 20 year old ronin. And the last part is just none sense we have as many branches of manga as they are needed.Why? We got horror, comedy, mystery, action/adventure, fantasy, sci-fi, movie-based, game-based, samurai drama, and I'll even say romance (Spider-Man loves Mary Jane). Manga has too many branches, all of which could be more easily clumped together in accurate filing.
For the sake of arguement let's just say you're right, what does that have to do at all with needing more genres?There's really only one way to interpret "discontinued" in this case. They stop publishing them.
Because no american comic books cater to what they like. My bosses 8 year old daughter buys spider man loves mary jane monthy. If they made more romance comics I'm sure she would buy those too.Romance manga is selling well to the japanophiles who wouldn't pick up an American comic book to save their lives.
Look at horror for a minute, I'm a huge horror fan and have picked up mars attacks, hell raiser, the walking dead, aliens whatever. But anything decent at all coming out in that genre is sporadic at best. If they tried to revive horror comics I know I would start buying them again.
Here's the thing champ, the industry isn't dying. It WAS dying, back in the 90's. However, since about 2002, comic sales have been increasing, and the industry has been taking in more and more money each year (Not counting 07, since the year isn't finished yet).Who cares? Just because they can sell a lot of spider man crap means the character is popular not that the comic industry isn't dying in the U.s. Comic book shops have been dying year after year until now where I think there's like 2000 real comic shops in the states. How many crashes has the comic industry had again?
All of that "Crap" they push and sell, that helps SELL comics. It helps get people INTERESTED in the characters again. If they're interested in the characters, they buy the comics. So far it's been working. Slowly. But working. Grant it, it isn't where it used to be, but it isn't failing like it was back in the 90's either.
Many, if you would have clicked that link I gave a few posts up, you would have found some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Noir
Here, take this for example. It's called looking for yourself.
...You're a horror fan...Yet you've never picked up the Army of Darkness comics?Look at horror for a minute, I'm a huge horror fan and have picked up mars attacks, hell raiser, the walking dead, aliens whatever. But anything decent at all coming out in that genre is sporadic at best. If they tried to revive horror comics I know I would start buying them again.
Supply and demand, my friend. Too much supply and not enough demands means the series will be discontinued. More genres? By more genres, do you mean we should copy the Japanese and create sub-genres for every branch out there? Because I've already told you that American publishers create a lot of genres already. So I don't think it'll matter if we branch out in the romance department to make genres such as boy x boy, boy x girl, girl x girl. There's three "genres" of Japanese manga right there and that's not what we need.
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And dont forget the shamefull killing off of Capt America that was in the news CNN, Fox News, even Howard Stern was talking about it, so many people whent out and bought Capt America #25 they were sold out the first day.
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If it's working why don't I ever see children in comic shops. You know who I do see? Grown men, people who have been fans since they were kids. Those are the ONLY people I ever see buying comics. I think this is partly because american comics simply aren't aimed at children anymore. They know it's adults who are reading and the comcis have gotten much darker because of it. More lines aimed at younger kids would help to be sure.So far it's been working. Slowly. But working. Grant it, it isn't where it used to be, but it isn't failing like it was back in the 90's either.
Nope, I'm sure it's fine but I've found most of the movie based comics to be increadibly bland. So I just skipepd over it, and I've also stopped buying alien comics since they were pretty much all crap. More original horror lines would be great. I would love an invasion of the bodysnatcher style comic....You're a horror fan...Yet you've never picked up the Army of Darkness comics?
It's wonderful that they are making series like that, and is why image is the only publisher I ever buy anything from anymore. But it's a drop in the bucket, the industry needs more stuff like that.Many, if you would have clicked that link I gave a few posts up, you would have found some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Noir
Here, take this for example. It's called looking for yourself.
And faceless I found just about everything in your post wrong, but I don't really want to nitpick the whole thing.
Last edited by Rem; 08-17-2007 at 03:36 PM.
Well I guess I'll give my input on what the discussion is currently focused on.
I think American Comics have made a small comback, which I believe to be only because of all the current superhero movies being made. I don't feel the American Comic industry is "well-off" at all. Please do not mistake that as a bash towards American comics, as I enjoy them as much as Japanese comics, but I'm not going to pretend the industry isn't hurting simply because I like them.
Reasons:
1. The best kind of success happens when you appeal to a large audiance, especially newer generations. American comics are failing to do this in comparison to other printed media. I am well aware from outside resources, as well as whats been said in this thread that there are and has been other genres of American Comics. However, are these comics being marketed? Where are they? Why aren't more being made regularily?
2. That kind of brings me to my next point, is marketing: There simply isn't enough. Mechandise and movies being made is a big help, but only to the comics that the movies are being made after. Also, the people who buy the merchandise like toys, lunch boxes, clothes, are children, and I never ever ever see kids with Comics, so how effective is it really?
3. It's undeniable that the main A. comic consumers are older people, people that grew up reading them. Obviously you have younger people like the ones on this forum, but as the age drops so do the numbers of those that buy/read them. If the American Comic industry doesn't start doing something new, or actually try to Market to younger buyers, then it's slowly going to go downhill. (Even more so)
Anyway, those are my thoughts for now. I would like to turn some of the discussion over to manga, so we can complain about that a little.
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I think manga is better the american comic,
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There are non super hero comics out there to be sure, Dark horse and the DC vertigo line are both awesome. And image has a mix, but 80% of comics are still super hero based. And what sucks is that remaining 20% is NOT what is getting to people. Most of the stores I go to that carry american comics will have a mess of trade paper backs for super hero books and maybe 300 or V for vendetta. People just aren't seeing Fell or DMZ, or whatever.
The market is lopsided to begin with and to add insult to injury the stuff out there that isn't super hero bases is impossible to find outside of a comic book shop. And just forget about things done by indie publishers. Unless you're already a comics fan you just wont find out about other stuff and that's a huge problem. The only place I ever see ads for comics is in OTHER comics. Plus those comics that aren't super hero related are still pretty much for males in there teens and up. You need books for women and kids, that's one of the reasons manga sells so well.
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I remember that was the same with Superman dying 15 years ago. Even President Bush at the time was talking about it and mourned for his death!!!
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I wouldn't care if you did. I have already stated several times why romance comcis would be good for the industry. I don't feel like argueing in a loop with you. Especially since you're argument boils down to the fact you personally don't want romance comics and the genres they bring and that you don't think they would add anything.
I've been going to the same comic shop for 15 years, since I was a child.
To this day I still see children go into the same comic shop, and I still see children buying comics. And I go to this shop 4-8 times a month.
It depends on where you live and where the shop is located, truthfully.You know who I do see? Grown men, people who have been fans since they were kids. Those are the ONLY people I ever see buying comics.
There are plenty aimed at kids. A lot of comics published by DC and Marvel are like E rated video games. You can be 13 or 30 and still enjoy them. The rest are like T rated games. A few girls in the occasional bikini, some blood, and the occasional Damn, Hell, Arse, ect.I think this is partly because american comics simply aren't aimed at children anymore.
All the adult aimed Grand Theft Auto level things from those companies will have Vertigo (DC) or MAX (Marvel) imprints.
And some companies only publish adult material, you're right, which is fine. Take Darkhorse, they publish both adult oriented comic books AND Manga. Thats fine since diffrent companies will publish diffrent things.
It's getting there. Remember, MOST of these companies in the past few years have been losing their older staff members. Be in due to retirement or seeking other career paths. Yadda Yadda.It's wonderful that they are making series like that, and is why image is the only publisher I ever buy anything from anymore. But it's a drop in the bucket, the industry needs more stuff like that.
They've been getting Newer, Younger artists and writters in who KNOW what people like you want. You can't expect a massive change over night, it takes time.
Even in Super Hero comics, i've noticed a drastic change in how things work these past couple of years. Change is a gradule thing, and the increase in comic sales every year for the past five years or so is proof of this. And I've also been seeing more and more works outside of the super hero genre, as well as more and more works with mixed art styles from other countries (Like European and Japanese comics) On the flip side, i've seen some manga publishers publish super hero manga.
Obviously these companies need to compete with japanese manga, they're awair of this, they've been doing plenty of experiments with diffrent things to see what appeals and what doesn't.
But they can't forsake the works they've already put their hearts into.
They also can't commision a dozen and one new genre's in the period of a year or two, because if all of those comics do fail, guess what? Then they're really screwed, thats a ton of money wasted. Jumping headfirst into projects because the other guy is doing it is just as bad for buisness as not doing anything new at all.
Give it some time. Most companies only started these changes around 2000 or so, which is about the same time Manga became popular in the united states and in mainstream US media. These same companies have also, let me repeat, been doing steadily better than they were in the 90's because of it.
Were at a stand still here since were both giving anecdotal evidence.I've been going to the same comic shop for 15 years, since I was a child.
To this day I still see children go into the same comic shop, and I still see children buying comics. And I go to this shop 4-8 times a month.
For the sake of arguement lets say there are a lot of kids comics out there, they still are not the ones making it to mainstream stores. And you can't deny american comics have gotten MUCH darker over the past ten or so years. The amount of violence has just gone through the roof, compare the content of a 60s era captain america to one of todays.There are plenty aimed at kids. A lot of comics published by DC and Marvel are like E rated video games.
All I can think of here is that non manga OEL crap that tokyopop put out, I don't follow them but I recall one being about super heroes.i've seen some manga publishers publish super hero manga
It isn't really any worse than the huge mega cross overs that have been getting luke warm reception. Or killing off huge characters just to get attention. Or just trying to rip off that big eye sweat drop crap liked they did with that joke "mangaverse." I hope you're right about new blood pushing in more bold directions. I love comics in any fashion and want only the best for the U.s industry. I just don't know if the comics industry could survive another crash. Only time will tell to see how they shape up though.Jumping headfirst into projects because the other guy is doing it is just as bad for buisness as not doing anything new at all
Loops? You keep saying American comics need more genres. That's loopy. We don't need more genres just because manga comes up with a new genre at every corner. Trying to expand massively could bring about another collapse, so I don't think we should take hints from manga industries. Besides, there's already American publishers that print manga and I doubt if we divide into more genres within manga publications that it'll help sales. The American industries are wider than you give them credit for.
BTW, I'd just like to say that I see plenty of kids shopping at my comic book store too.
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yay stand stills.
This is true, however, define mainstream stores?For the sake of arguement lets say there are a lot of kids comics out there, they still are not the ones making it to mainstream stores.
If we're talking about things like Walmart or something, I never see manga in places like that either. The only place I see manga outside of comic shops are book stores.
I do agree they should have a bit more in terms of titles directed at children, because i've seen the current ones. Most are based on The Simpsons and crappy Nickolodean and Cartoon Network toons (Teen Titans GO! However, based on the cartoon network show, sold well to my understanding), so most of them aren't even worth mentioning.
They did try this a few years ago over at Marvel to draw in new readers with the Ultimate line, as the 60 something years of continuity probably caused a lot of newer generations to stray away from comics, and it's been succeeding well...but they can't come out with a new Ultimate line every 15-20 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Marvel
^If you read the link you'll see what I mean.
Of course they have, but look at it from a larger perspective.And you can't deny american comics have gotten MUCH darker over the past ten or so years. The amount of violence has just gone through the roof, compare the content of a 60s era captain america to one of todays.
What form of media hasn't gotten more violent or just over-all darker as time passes? Movies, Music, Video Games...They've ALL gotten more violent.
The reason comics back then weren't so violent is because the comics code was still in effect for just about every publisher. Once companies started breaking away from it, they were allowed to do much more.
And since American Comic Books were basically censored to the extreme from the 1930's, up untill the 1990's, can you BLAME them for wanting darker comics?
I was actually talking about things like this.All I can think of here is that non manga OEL crap that tokyopop put out, I don't follow them but I recall one being about super heroes.
Unrelated note to the argument: ^The link above was an awsome Manga.
Actually, Killing off huge characters or Cross Overs can be a good thing.It isn't really any worse than the huge mega cross overs that have been getting luke warm reception. Or killing off huge characters just to get attention
Annihilation had a great reception. World War Hulk IS getting a great reception, and killing cap was more of a symbolisim thing. It wasn't a pointless death like jean greys or supermans, just so they could say "ZOMG, <name> Is DEAD! BAWW"
...They're making another one btw.Or just trying to rip off that big eye sweat drop crap liked they did with that joke "mangaverse."
I was sad when I heard this.
But that joke mangaverse is what I was talking about with experimenting. They see how popular manga has become, so they tested to see how well it would sell if they were to try it.
Obviously it failed horribly (Seriously, Incredible Hulk is Godzilla, everyone but Spider-Man and Wolverine are Women, Black Cat is a freakin' android, and like...30 main characters died every issue)
Now, imagine if Marvel made an entire series of mangaverse things off the bat. That would have ended them.
Ultimate for example (again), only started off as One ongoing comic. it was popular, so they expanded and made more. Ultimate is still pretty solid in sales terms.
Right, and don't get me wrong I've got nothing against manga either. Just that all of the series I like are over, and I can't stand the newer series that everyone eats up because of the kawaiiness crap most seem to have.I hope you're right about new blood pushing in more bold directions. I love comics in any fashion and want only the best for the U.s industry. I just don't know if the comics industry could survive another crash. Only time will tell to see how they shape up though.
But as it stands right now, Comic sales in the US have been improving.
Wallmart would by great, they do carry naruto and shonen jump after all. But I mean stores like FYE or hell ever borders since their selection is lacking when it comes to U.s stuff.This is true, however, define mainstream stores?
Oh THAT'S what you meant, yeah the guy who wrote blame also worked on a wolverine mini series. I got confused because you see to me even though japanese creators did them they are still comic books. Just like if frank miller made a sequel to lone wolf and cub or whatever for the japanese to me that's manga. It's all about who it's for, but that TOTALLY unrelated.I was actually talking about things like this.
Ultimate was great though, the whole mangaverse was just a wretched idea from the start. Manga isn't popular because it's drawn in a certain style. It's popular because of the way it written. And how character driven it is, they just didn't get it and they still don't clearly.Ultimate for example (again), only started off as One ongoing comic. it was popular, so they expanded and made more. Ultimate is still pretty solid in sales terms.
See we aren't so differen't after all lol.Right, and don't get me wrong I've got nothing against manga either. Just that all of the series I like are over, and I can't stand the newer series that everyone eats up because of the kawaiiness crap most seem to have.
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