Vegetarian Rules?

[Alphabet]

Being either a vegetarian or vegan is something I could never be.
To me, vegetarianism means eating no meat products. Vegan completely obstruct any animal products into their life. LIES. Look at above picture I found off of gizmodo recently.
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[3pleT]

You are a vegetarian, but not a vegan, OP. Now, if you don't mind my asking, why did you decide to be a vegetarian?

[Anoleis]

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Being either a vegetarian or vegan is something I could never be.
To me, vegetarianism means eating no meat products. Vegan completely obstruct any animal products into their life. LIES. Look at above picture I found off of gizmodo recently.
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Oh dem hypocrites!

[Hypnotik]

well he's simply saying stop offshore drilling not to stop using petroleum. Huge difference.

[BoldMushroom]

If anything, that demotivational poster just highlights how big of a problem it is that we rely so much on petroleum-based products, since petroleum is a non-renewable, finite resource.

[aether]

Just remember

Gandi
Hitler
Linda Macratney

were all vegetarians and in some cases it can lead to genocide

[Skylar1]

just remember

gandi
hitler
linda macratney

were all vegetarians and in some cases it can lead to genocide

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what?

[BoldMushroom]

Basically, he's using a logical fallacy called "association fallacy." Because a bad person like Hitler is associated with vegetarianism, that must mean vegetarianism is bad.

Of course, as the saying goes, correlation does not imply causation - just because Hitler was a vegetarian does not mean that his vegetarianism informed his hate, or his desire or ability to commit genocide. Are all vegetarians murderous anti-Semites? Or is it entirely possible for a Jewish person to be a vegetarian?

[aether]

Actually I was reffering to what Bill Bailey a comedian said. so actually you made a completely wrong judgement on your part and heres what I was reffering to

[thcuteness]

hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm to be honest there was really no one specific reason maybe it was for health or the fact that Im just uncomfortable eating a cow :/ idk.... but i like it.

[Psyco_Panda]

I was vegitarian for a long time but I eat meat now because I got really sick because I wasn't getting my vitamins and I decided to just eat it. The vitamins I had to take were really nasty. Like when I took them I didn't even let em touch my tong and my mouth was filled with nastyness so I didn't take em for a long time. So I decided to eat meat. Very little but enough to get my vitamins. Its not like I don't like the taste I just dissagree with how they are treated and killed. Ect.... trust me u don't want me to start the ranting. But I think fish is meat. It is a living creature and has a face so I don't consider people who eat fish vegitarians. But its my opinion and u may consider yourself what you wish.

[BoldMushroom]

Actually I was reffering to what Bill Bailey a comedian said. so actually you made a completely wrong judgement on your part

I had no idea you were referencing anything. I've never heard of Bill Bailey, and the phrase "Hitler was a vegetarian" has been used to demean vegetarians since at least 1976. Not to mention your wording and tone were way off from the actual bit. If you'd included the video in your first post, that'd be a different story.

Nevertheless, sorry for misunderstanding you. And, funny video. I like the unison clap at the beginning. And the joke about not driving through towns with Ham in the name.

[Alphabet]

I was vegitarian for a long time but I eat meat now because I got really sick because I wasn't getting my vitamins and I decided to just eat it. The vitamins I had to take were really nasty. Like when I took them I didn't even let em touch my tong and my mouth was filled with nastyness so I didn't take em for a long time. So I decided to eat meat. Very little but enough to get my vitamins. Its not like I don't like the taste I just dissagree with how they are treated and killed. Ect.... trust me u don't want me to start the ranting. But I think fish is meat. It is a living creature and has a face so I don't consider people who eat fish vegitarians. But its my opinion and u may consider yourself what you wish.

If you are not getting enough of your vitamins when you are a vegetarian, you haven't been eating the correct foods for those vitamins. You've already ranted anyways. If you are completely a vegan, vegweb has some good recipes.
Also, plants are also living things. What's up with that?
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[aether]

I had no idea you were referencing anything. I've never heard of Bill Bailey, and the phrase "Hitler was a vegetarian" has been used to demean vegetarians since at least 1976. Not to mention your wording and tone were way off from the actual bit. If you'd included the video in your first post, that'd be a different story.

Nevertheless, sorry for misunderstanding you. And, funny video. I like the unison clap at the beginning. And the joke about not driving through towns with Ham in the name.

Sorry I should have added it to begin with my bad

[Armageddon]

Im a vegetarian and I still eat fish but Ive had lots of people argue with me that Im not vegetarian. Do you think so and why? And what does vegetarianism mean to you.

To sum it up..

Vegetarian ~ You don`t eat meat, this includes poultry and seafood and may also include by-products of animal slaughter.. Gelatin for example...

Semi-Vegetarian ~ You pretty much follow that of the diet of a vegetarian, but also eat fish and/or poultry.. and on a infrequent basis, other meats as well.

Pescatarian ~ A diet that excludes red and white meat. Simple.

Vegan ~ Pretty much a diet that doesn`t consist of any froom anything that is slaughtered. A by product of an animal, or... Anything that has a face, or comes from something that has a face.. Or... Something that could evolve with a face.. .

You are a vegetarian, just not a hardcore vegetarian. Fore the most part I hate vegetarians. Not ones whio do it for health or whatever, but those who think they are bvetter than everyone else because they don't eat animals and those who do it for animal rights, but mostly just those who do it and look down on everyone else for not being one.

Okay, this is a very.. Strong statement. Why hate on someone who choses to be a vegetarian for animal rights..? That's silly reason to hate someone?... It`s a person's passion. Funny enough though, I have a cousin in the family who has just recently been converted to vegetarianism, and he actually gets all the narcky comments from his friends and us.. Of course.. Yes, I can agree.. To a degree that some Vegetarians/Vegans can ack a little.. 'Snobby'.. But.. What can you do? Unless... You strap them down and force feed them meat?

There are that many different types of vegetarian these days that the whole thing strikes me as being stupid.
I'm fine with *some* vegetarians, but others drive me insane - the ones who crap on about how superior they are and all that other nonsense. Actually had one of them protesting outside a KFC throw red paint at me and call me a murderer. I was good - I didn't take a blunt object out of my car and bludgeon him to death with it, no, I bought a can of green paint from a nearby hardware store (thick and oil based because I'm evil like that), and returned, splattered him with it and mentioned that vegetables were living things too and a bunch of obscenities that if I were to type them word for word here not only would Eris probably ban me, she'd probably also throw a party upon hearing of my death (presuming I cark it first).
But yeah, regardless of what their diet is, if they don't act like elitist pricks they're all good.

Chyea, wow.. In this case, I probably would`ve done something very similar to what you have done..Those people are extremist.. I guess you don`t stand infront of vegetarian restaurants protesting about.. vegetable slaughter? Ehh.. They got a taste of their own medicine... In a sense you treat people the way you want to be treated... In my eyes, they deserved what was coming to them.. Though... on a lighter note.. Ross Noble did a great one on a vegetarian stall at a festival.... SAUSAGE ROLLS !!

I was vegitarian for a long time but I eat meat now because I got really sick because I wasn't getting my vitamins and I decided to just eat it. The vitamins I had to take were really nasty. Like when I took them I didn't even let em touch my tong and my mouth was filled with nastyness so I didn't take em for a long time. So I decided to eat meat. Very little but enough to get my vitamins. Its not like I don't like the taste I just dissagree with how they are treated and killed. Ect.... trust me u don't want me to start the ranting. But I think fish is meat. It is a living creature and has a face so I don't consider people who eat fish vegitarians. But its my opinion and u may consider yourself what you wish.

Being a pescetarian for a long time, and of course being a woman, you need a higher level of iron in your diet than men. And the main source of iron? Red meat... You can get alot of your vitamins from Veges and fruits.. But I was taking daily vitamin pills as well, just to bridge that little gap a bit more. Then not very long ago.. I wasn`t eating.. At all, due to stress for personal reasons. Next thing I know, I wake up in a hospital bed. I was recommended by a nutritionist to eat red meat again, and to start on these iron pills, for I was diagnose with Iron Deficiency Anemia.. Fun.

Just remember
Gandi
Hitler
Linda Macratney
were all vegetarians and in some cases it can lead to genocide

Bill Bailey = WIN

[aether]

YAY!! Someone else who knows Bill Bailey

[wolfgirl90]

Okay, this is a very.. Strong statement. Why hate on someone who choses to be a vegetarian for animal rights..? That's silly reason to hate someone?... It`s a person's passion. Funny enough though, I have a cousin in the family who has just recently been converted to vegetarianism, and he actually gets all the narcky comments from his friends and us.. Of course.. Yes, I can agree.. To a degree that some Vegetarians/Vegans can ack a little.. 'Snobby'.. But.. What can you do? Unless... You strap them down and force feed them meat?

Well, there's a difference between keeping the snobbishness to yourself, and being in other person's face about it. Abstaining from animal flesh as a form of protest is actually a pretty good thing (I admire it because frankly, as much as I love animals, I would go insane without meat). Most people don't mind this when it is kept to oneself. However, when some vegetarians decide to take this silent protest and put it in another person's face, THIS is when people start leering at vegetarians.

Being a pescetarian for a long time, and of course being a woman, you need a higher level of iron in your diet than men. And the main source of iron? Red meat... You can get alot of your vitamins from Veges and fruits.. But I was taking daily vitamin pills as well, just to bridge that little gap a bit more. Then not very long ago.. I wasn`t eating.. At all, due to stress for personal reasons. Next thing I know, I wake up in a hospital bed. I was recommended by a nutritionist to eat red meat again, and to start on these iron pills, for I was diagnose with Iron Deficiency Anemia.. Fun.

Eh...while red meat is a great source of protein, it doesn't have to be a "main source". Usually vegetarians don't get the nutrients they need because they don't plan their diets very well. Some just up and decide to be vegetarians without bothering to plan out their diet and most don't figure their dietary blunders until they become pasty and anemic.

Despite popular belief, vegetarians can indeed get the nutrients they need strictly from their diet (without supplements). Need protein? You can get that from milk, cheese, beans, seafood (if you are a pescetarian), eggs, soy milk and tofu. Need iron? Get it from nuts, iron-enriched foods (cereals, bread, anything that has enriched flour in it), eggs, seeds and every other legume you can think of (such as the peanut, 16% of your RDA of iron per 3.5oz). Usually vegetarians lack these nutrients simply because they don't plan their diet well.

[Eris]

Additionally, green leafy vegetables (for example spinach) contain a crap-ton of iron. Though you need to eat it with vitamin C and calcium for your body to be able to make use of it.

[Capitán]

hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm to be honest there was really no one specific reason maybe it was for health or the fact that Im just uncomfortable eating a cow :/ idk.... but i like it.

Then you (might) be implying that you dislike the thought of eating something that was once alive in a more literal sense since vegetables are "alive" as well.

But that would not be true since you like fish.. so putting aside you being a vegetarian or not, you are just health conscious. That's a good thing.

[Eris]

Then you (might) be implying that you dislike the thought of eating something that was once alive in a more literal sense since vegetables are "alive" as well.

This doesn't quite hold, though. Vegetables have no central nervous system or brain, and can not feel pain and fear and the like.

[wolfgirl90]

This doesn't quite hold, though. Vegetables have no central nervous system or brain, and can not feel pain and fear and the like.

That's kinda the issue, whether one believes plants can feel pain or not (I will just say that some people believe this and leave it at that).

You see, some of us (me included) find it a little off when vegetarians decide to eat fruits and vegetables because they don't want to harm living things. When we argue that plants, like animals, ARE living things, they will just reply that plants can't scream or feel pain. It sounds a little less like trying to protect the animals and more like a moralistic way out of facing the screams of an animal being slaughtered (I find this especially true for Pagans I get flack from, because I find it silly to hold plants in high regard, in yet decide to eat them because they can't scream or feel pain).

At this point, it appears that one is just checking off exceptions. Plants are alive; can we eat them? Sure, they won't feel it. Can we kill this sponge? Why not, it has no circulatory or nervous system, so there will be no problems when you part of its carcass to clean yourself.

This is the same opinion I hold for pescetarians, that they decided that fish was okay because they can't hear a fish screaming or see their little fishy faces etched in terror and pollotarians ("vegetarians" who abstain from red meat, but eat poultry) who probably decided that cutting the head off a chicken isn't so bad. And I just outright laugh at flexitarians ("vegetarians" who occasionally eat red meat).

[Eris]

That's kinda the issue, whether one believes plants can feel pain or not (I will just say that some people believe this and leave it at that).

You see, some of us (me included) find it a little off when vegetarians decide to eat fruits and vegetables because they don't want to harm living things. When we argue that plants, like animals, ARE living things, they will just reply that plants can't scream or feel pain. It sounds a little less like trying to protect the animals and more like a moralistic way out of facing the screams of an animal being slaughtered (I find this especially true for Pagans I get flack from, because I find it silly to hold plants in high regard, in yet decide to eat them because they can't scream or feel pain).

At this point, it appears that one is just checking off exceptions. Plants are alive; can we eat them? Sure, they won't feel it. Can we kill this sponge? Why not, it has no circulatory or nervous system, so there will be no problems when you part of its carcass to clean yourself.

This is an equivocation-based strawman. Very few people avoid meat because they don't want to harm living things, they avoid meat because they don't want to harm animals (which isn't really inconsistent, seeing as how animals are capable of pain whereas other living things are not). Fish, birds, and mammals are animals roughly sorted in order of complexity of their nervous system, so it does make sense to avoid only the latter elements on the list as they're likely to be more aware of their imminent death, feel fear etc.

[wolfgirl90]

This is an equivocation-based strawman. Very few people avoid meat because they don't want to harm living things, they avoid meat because they don't want to harm animals (which isn't really inconsistent, seeing as how animals are capable of pain whereas other living things are not). Fish, birds, and mammals are animals roughly sorted in order of complexity of their nervous system, so it does make sense to avoid only the latter elements on the list as they're likely to be more aware of their imminent death, feel fear etc.

If eating animals boils down to which ones can't feel pain or scream, then there is a big can of worms that is being opened up. Again, at that point it sounds a little less like trying to protect animals (which is what you are not doing if you still electing to eat them, especially if that reason is that "oh well they couldn't feel it") and more about satisfying one's moralistic ego.

Fish may have the same complexity in their nervous systems like we do, but they can feel pain. Birds feel pain too. Hell, at least we knock birds and cows out before killing them. For fish, we just lop their heads off. We steam crabs and lobsters while they are still alive. Perception of pain or not, this is messed up (of course, I personally don't care because I am a meat eater).

[Haoie]

You don't make friends with salad.

I'd hate to go through life without delicious dead animals.

[Eris]

If eating animals boils down to which ones can't feel pain or scream, then there is a big can of worms that is being opened up. Again, at that point it sounds a little less like trying to protect animals (which is what you are not doing if you still electing to eat them, especially if that reason is that "oh well they couldn't feel it") and more about satisfying one's moralistic ego.

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, striving to protect animals is likely motivated by some form of moral code.

Fish may have the same complexity in their nervous systems like we do, but they can feel pain. Birds feel pain too. Hell, at least we knock birds and cows out before killing them. For fish, we just lop their heads off. We steam crabs and lobsters while they are still alive. Perception of pain or not, this is messed up (of course, I personally don't care because I am a meat eater).

Complexity of their nervous system matters quite a lot, actually. Being aware of your imminent death is a lot worse than simply experiencing pain. More complex brains are also likely to be able to reflect on their situation.