U.F.O's

[Yew Neek™]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but yes, yes it does. Gamma radiation is pretty ubiquitous, and because of that, particle-antiparticle pairs appear spontaneously all the time.



Weather balloons were covered in mylar back then, which is commonplace enough now, but was really high-tech and not widely known back then. It would certainly have appeared strange and alien to civilians who saw it.

He was a general, and if it was project Mogul than how come there were no strings or wires or cords holding in the pictures or any discription of the wreckage.........they need that to hold the Device to the weather balloon and like illistrated in many reinactments of a crashed weather balloon there is rope everywhere, but not in any picture or any description by anyone, and lets not be coy, the person who reported it was a flying disk was a general, not harry handcocki think he would know a balloon when he saw it. also there is the kecksburg case which in my opinion way more interesting than roswell.

[*Tsuki*]

Well . . . there could be aliens out there somewhere . . . but I don't really care until:

A. They come here
or
B. We go there.

[Yew Neek™]

lol, i liked the person who thought that it was just humans from the future, wasen't that the plot for the 4400?

[Masked Mantis]

Well . . . there could be aliens out there somewhere . . . but I don't really care until:

A. They come here
or
B. We go there.

We have been there Space?

However a rather large quantity of Americans beleive aliens walk among humans on earth lol.
Pointless fact, but since were on ufo topics, i'll add this.

[Eris]

We have been there Space?

However a rather large quantity of Americans beleive aliens walk among humans on earth lol.
Pointless fact, but since were on ufo topics, i'll add this.

But then again, a rather large quantity of people in any country are idiots. There's a pretty big overlap in these two groups as well.

[Yew Neek™]

95 percent of ppl on earth belive there is a god..........even though there is absolutley no evidence at all, atleast with ufo's theres videos and pictures and eyewitness accounts, i belive a ufo crashed we took it and tried to reverse engineer it, www.boblazar.com

[Diocletian]

95 percent of ppl on earth belive there is a god..........even though there is absolutley no evidence at all, atleast with ufo's theres videos and pictures and eyewitness accounts, i belive a ufo crashed we took it and tried to reverse engineer it, www.boblazar.com

1. Because eyewitness accounts are so reliable. I'm going to call the cops and tell them you beat me. My sister is an eyewitness. People lie all the time and make up stories. You can't take someone's vision as fact. It could be any number of things.

2. Where the heck did you get 95 percent from?

[Yew Neek™]

1. Because eyewitness accounts are so reliable. I'm going to call the cops and tell them you beat me. My sister is an eyewitness. People lie all the time and make up stories. You can't take someone's vision as fact. It could be any number of things.

2. Where the heck did you get 95 percent from?

known fact, remeber there are very few non religious countries in the world.

Traveling vast distances in space faster than the speed of light, and without traveling in a linear mode.
Using gravity to bend or "warp" the position where you want to go and pull that space-time location to ourselves. We are then able to make the move into the new space-time location and stop generating the gravitational field. The result is the object at point A is now at the point B location. All without traveling in a linear mode at or near the speed of light.

[Masked Mantis]

But then again, a rather large quantity of people in any country are idiots. There's a pretty big overlap in these two groups as well.

Haha, good point.

[Eris]

1. Because eyewitness accounts are so reliable. I'm going to call the cops and tell them you beat me. My sister is an eyewitness. People lie all the time and make up stories. You can't take someone's vision as fact. It could be any number of things.

2. Where the heck did you get 95 percent from?

An important thing about eyewitness reports is pareidolia. If you see something your brain can't identify, it goes through the list of things it expects to see, finds the best match if available and fills out the missing details. So, if you see something in the sky, and expect to see a saucer-shaped classical UFO, you will see just such an UFO.

known fact, remeber there are very few non religious countries in the world.

Known fact? Known by whom? Source please. Also, polytheists don't believe in "a god", they believe in gods, so because of that, you can not count India and China that are largely polytheistic as believing in God, and as they account for 30% of the world population, you are without a doubt wrong.

Traveling vast distances in space faster than the speed of light, and without traveling in a linear mode.
Using gravity to bend or "warp" the position where you want to go and pull that space-time location to ourselves. We are then able to make the move into the new space-time location and stop generating the gravitational field. The result is the object at point A is now at the point B location. All without traveling in a linear mode at or near the speed of light.

This was written by someone who does not understand general relativity, and is subsequently wrong.

Warp bubbles like in Star Trek are theoretically possible, but they are stable constructs. You can not create or destroy them, and not enter or leave them, so if you travel in such a spacetime bubble, you can't stop travelling in it. Or change direction.

[Yew Neek™]

http://www.gallup-international.com/...llennium15.asp i was off by less than 10 percent.also alot of eyewitness reports have photos or video evidence, what about pilot eyewitness's, or policemen, do you not belive those credible sources?also space breaks relativity laws as explained by my jupiter post earlier.plus there is the fact that just cuz humans can't do it or understand it dosen't mean it can happen, humans only use 10 percent of their brains, if the unlock more we could do things like fly and controll electricity and have esp........a more evolved alien race would have done this.

[Eris]

http://www.gallup-international.com/...llennium15.asp i was off by less than 10 percent.

The question is whether they belong to a denomination. I don't believe in god, yet I belong to a denomination, as people were automagically written into the Swedish church at birth before the mid-90s.

also alot of eyewitness reports have photos or video evidence, what about pilot eyewitness's, or policemen, do you not belive those credible sources?

I have never ever seen a credible images of a flying saucer. I have seen plenty of image artifacts, and a bunch of hoaxes. And I don't doubt that people see stuff in the sky. I doubt it's space aliens. An interesting fact is that almost all UFO sightings occur near airports, or near heavily trafficked flight routes.

also space breaks relativity laws as explained by my jupiter post earlier.

No it doesn't.

plus there is the fact that just cuz humans can't do it or understand it dosen't mean it can happen, humans only use 10 percent of their brains, if the unlock more we could do things like fly and controll electricity and have esp........a more evolved alien race would have done this.

Humans only use 10% of their brain AT ANY GIVEN TIME. As I type this message, I don't use the parts of my brain that knows how to ride a bike, or sing, or do mathematics. When I use any of those skills, the part related to typing on a keyboard is not switched on. It shifts around, and averages to about 10% at any given moment. It may be more, and it may be less.

[Yew Neek™]

The question is whether they belong to a denomination. I don't believe in god, yet I belong to a denomination, as people were automagically written into the Swedish church at birth before the mid-90s.

that makes no sense.....does that make you a hypocrite? or a i dunno, cuz if you told the leaders of your denomenation you don't belive in god they'd tell you you're not part of there denomination. and of course space breaks relativity laws, thats why theres black holes.what i posted was a poll do you belive in god or not, not what religion you are.

[Eris]

that makes no sense.....does that make you a hypocrite? or a i dunno, cuz if you told the leaders of your denomenation you don't belive in god they'd tell you you're not part of there denomination.

I didn't ask them to make me a member. It's such a hassle to leave the church. I have to actually go to a church and fill out a form, and I can't be bothered to do that. I think I can do it by mail as well, but I'm too cheap to pay for a stamp.

and of course space breaks relativity laws, thats why theres black holes.

Black holes do not break relativity. The possibility of black holes were in fact derived from the theory of relativity, and as such, they are very well defined in general relativity.

what i posted was a poll do you belive in god or not, not what religion you are.

If you go back to the poll, you will find that what they asked was whether or not people were part of a denomination, not if they believe in god.

[Yew Neek™]

<-------this is impossible for space debris or anything fallen of the shuttle to do, you cannot change direction in space like that unless under intelligent control.



http://www.metacafe.com/watch/538624..._mission_ufos/ <-----ijust found this one, it's what you think of it.

both are nasa shuttle videos

[Eris]

<-------this is impossible for space debris or anything fallen of the shuttle to do, you cannot change direction in space like that unless under intelligent control.

The image quality is really crappy, so it's hard to say what happens, but I'd say it collided with something. It's also possible the video is played in reverse and/or with varying speed to make the path appear unrealistic.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/538624..._mission_ufos/ <-----ijust found this one, it's what you think of it.

both are nasa shuttle videos

Seems like a thunderstorm. There's plenty of interesting things going on in the upper atmosphere during those.

[Forgotten Show]

also space breaks relativity laws as explained by my jupiter post earlier.plus there is the fact that just cuz humans can't do it or understand it dosen't mean it can happen,

Space doesn't 'break' relativity laws. Our theoretical models aren't absolute; they're incomplete constructs working with the best information we have available. Still, your earlier comment that "theres no known reason how a planet the size of jupiter is holding it's gravity unless there is a bigger planet pulling on it" is flat wrong. Although stuff gets lost in translation with the really small stuff, and the freakin' huge stuff, the science community has a pretty good handle on our solar system. Jupiter is doing what its expected to be doing.

humans only use 10 percent of their brains, if the unlock more we could do things like fly and controll electricity and have esp........a more evolved alien race would have done this.

Stop. Just stop. God kills a kitten every time someone says humans only use 10% of their brains. Think of the kittens, man.

Seems like a thunderstorm. There's plenty of interesting things going on in the upper atmosphere during those.

That's really neat info. I think even more impressive is how early it was predicted ('20s). Cool stuff.


Bad Memory

[Yew Neek™]

The image quality is really crappy, so it's hard to say what happens, but I'd say it collided with something. It's also possible the video is played in reverse and/or with varying speed to make the path appear unrealistic.



Seems like a thunderstorm. There's plenty of interesting things going on in the upper atmosphere during those.

that first video is from nasa i've seen it on tv so thats why i looked for it specifically. it's not in reverse and did not get hit by that thing flying by it, it avoided it, the video was looked at by nasa and they have NO explanation for it.

[Eris]

that first video is from nasa i've seen it on tv so thats why i looked for it specifically. it's not in reverse and did not get hit by that thing flying by it, it avoided it, the video was looked at by nasa and they have NO explanation for it.

It still doesn't mean that the only possible solution is space aliens though. Though if you can find an actual nasa source for this, I'll be intrigued.

[Yew Neek™]

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/sts-48.htm that was not ice or debris as it is impossible for an object to change poisition in space like that.

During the STS-48 mission of the Space Shuttle Discovery in September 1991, a sequence of video broadcast on television showed what some interpreted to be large vehicles at a great distance from the shuttle. The objects responded to a flash of light and a stream of "projectiles" that followed by performing seemingly radical maneuvers. However, 8 years later, the NASA FOIA office began releasing a version of the video with time stamps on every frame. The time stamps indicate that the flash of light coincides closely with the time listed in telemetry records of the firing of an attitude control rocket in the space shuttle's aft end. This would suggest that the thruster was the cause of the flash, and both the "projectiles" and the "UFOs" were merely small particles within a few feet of the space shuttle.

In the paper I wrote for Mark Carlotto's online journal, New Frontiers in Science, I argued that the time stamps on the frames of the STS-48 video are off by several seconds. The argument was based upon a comparison of the predicted time at which the North Star Polaris transited the "airglow" shell of the Earth's upper atmosphere to the time stamp on the frames at around the moment the transit can be seen to occur on the video. The predicted transit time was found to be 7.7 seconds later than the time displayed on the video, based on the officially released NORAD orbital elements for the Space Shuttle Discovery. If the time stamps were in error, then the light flash occurred far too long after the thrusters stopped firing for the two events to have been causally linked. There was nothing aboard the shuttle other than the rockets that could have caused the light flash and the objects' abrupt change of course in response to the flash. That in turn would be compelling evidence that the objects were in fact large objects a great distance from the shuttle rather than small debris particles close to it. But according to James Oberg, the most well known popularizer of the rocket exhaust theory, there can be no error in the time stamps because:


"A digital time, sourced from the shuttle's Master Timing Unit, along with camera parameters such as power, az/el angles, etc., is digitally encoded on the downlink video, and can be read and displayed in various formats which are not of significance. What is important is that the automated source of the time signal is a high-precision timer, not fumble-fingered home-VCRsetter."
Below are 6 frames taken from the STS-48 video around the time of a "loss of signal" (LOS) event mentioned several years ago by Oberg.Collectively, these frames prove that the time stamps shown in the video were not encoded on the video by the space shuttleís "master timing unit" as claimed by Oberg. In 1999 Oberg wrote to an AOL message forum on UFOs describing the LOS event:

"According to the 100-page post-flight report 'STS-48 Scene List' which catalogued ALL video transmissions from the Orbiter to the ground, ... At GMT 20:17:28, the Orbiter passed out of range of the eastern TDRS satellite and entered the brief ëZone of Exclusioní (ZOE) directly opposite in longitude from the TDRS ground station at White Sands, New Mexico. Communication was established with the western TDRS satellite a minute and a half later."

The video does in fact go to static at exactly the time Oberg said it did: 20:17:28 (according to the upper time stamp, but not the lower). The last frame prior to LOS is shown in Figure 1. But what Oberg missed or chose to ignore is that all throughout a 6-second time period after the loss-of-signal, both of the video time displays continue to update the time on video frames containing nothing but noise. The last of the noise frames is shown in Figure 2. If the signal was lost, then how could the time from the shuttle's master timing unit possibly have been "encoded" on static? The obvious answer is that it could not. This alone proves that the time stamps were added to the video at a later date. But there is more. The 6 seconds of noise is followed by the display of a test pattern, apparently indicating the point where the signal was reacquired but before resumption of the video transmission, which occurred 1/2 second later. The last frame showing this test pattern is displayed in Figure 3. As might be expected in a video sequence interrupted by a 1.5-minute long loss of signal, there is, in fact, a jump in time of 1.5 minutes between frames. But the jump occurs at a point between two frames that were taken a few hundredths of a second apart, and most definitely were not taken 1.5 minutes apart. They were probably consecutive as indicated by the fact that the two frames are nearly identical. (Figure 4 and Figure 5). With absolute certainty, this, too, proves that the time stamps were added to the video after it was downlinked

[TheAsterisk!]

Anyway, whatever Eris' opinion is on this particular matter, I agree with. She is the resident genius in everything sciency. She makes excellent points about the way aliens would observe our advancements. The only reason for them to make daily trips is for experimental purposes, and I think after 400 years they would have all the data they need.

Or if their delinquent youths are just hassling humans for entertainment- spaceman cow tipping. Heck, they even do just that, some would say!

@Yew Neek: I was particularly entertained by your repeated mentions of Area 51, but you fail to understand why it really matters.
The government has admitted, on several occasions, to deliberately stirring up the UFO fans, because it provides a pretty good, very cheap cover whenever they're testing something classified, particularly aircraft (and what spacecraft they do have, of course).
Additionally, given how many tourists show up in the region, I'd wager they don't use Area 51 anymore for the heavily guarded secrets, though they're perfectly content to divert the attention of misinformed zealots like yourself there while they test wherever else they test.

[Yew Neek™]

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Source: 'The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus'

From "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus":

Christopher Columbus and Pedro Gutierrez while on the deck of the Santa Maira, observed, "a light glimmering at a great distance." It vanished and reappeared several times during the night, moving up and down, "in sudden and passing gleams." It was sighted 4 hours before land was sighted, and taken by Columbus as a sign they would soon come to land.

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From the WaterUFO.net site:

Even Christopher Columbus, it appears, saw a UFO. While patrolling the deck of the Santa Maria at about 10:00 PM on October 11, 1492, Columbus thought he saw "a light glimmering at a great distance." He hurriedly summoned Pedro Gutierrez, "a gentleman of the king's bedchamber," who also saw the light. After a short time it vanished, only to reappear several times during the night, each time dancing up and down "in sudden and passig gleams." The light, first seen four hours before land was sighted, was never explained."


The most enduring account of early air ships occurred in the small Texas town of Aurora in 1897. This account would also be carried in newspapers, preserving details of an alleged UFO crash and the burial of an alien being. This ongoing legend would cause the state of Texas to declare the town a "historical site."

On April 19, 1897, a slow moving space ship crashed into a windmill, bursting into pieces. As the debris was searched through, supposedly the body of a small alien was discovered. Originally the alien pilot was dubbed the "Martian pilot." Some of the debris also revealed material sketched with a type of hieroglyphic. The town folk gave the poor little creature a proper burial in the local cemetery.

This incident, whether true or not, has had just enough publicity to stay afloat for over 100 years. It was made into a movie, "The Aurora Encounter" in 1986, starring Jack Elam. The news of the crash spread quickly, even for that time period. A newspaper article of the event still exists, written by E. E. Haydon, reporter for the Dallas Morning News. Below is the original article:

About 6 o'clock this morning the early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of the airship which has been sailing around the country. It was traveling due north and much nearer the earth than before. Evidently some of the machinery was out of order, for it was making a speed of only ten or twelve miles an hour, and gradually settling toward the earth.

It sailed over the public square and when it reached the north part of town it collided with the tower of Judge Proctor's windmill and went into pieces with a terrific explosion, scattering debris over several acres of ground, wrecking the windmill and water tank and destroying the judge's flower garden.

The pilot of the ship is supposed to have been the only one aboard and, while his remains were badly disfigured, enough of the original has been picked up to show that he was not an inhabitant of this world



both these incidents were b4 manned flight

[TheAsterisk!]

Even Christopher Columbus, it appears, saw a UFO. While patrolling the deck of the Santa Maria at about 10:00 PM on October 11, 1492, Columbus thought he saw "a light glimmering at a great distance."

Christopher Columbus thought he found India, too.
Turns out it was the Caribbean.

[Yew Neek™]

Christopher Columbus thought he found India, too.
Turns out it was the Caribbean.

lol, thats your skeptic response? what about kecksburg, Roswell, the list goes on and on, cow mutilations, what can kill a cow, take all the blood out and not leave 1 trace, or 1 Speck around or in the cow? animals couldn't do that and unless we invented some technology that ppl are using in the middle of the night on remote farms all accross the world in a world wide unknown cult theres very few explanations, how could you kill it without spilling 1 drop of blood, how come many of the cows have broken bones consistent with a drop?

[TheAsterisk!]

lol, thats your skeptic response?

My point was that not only would those visual observations be mere visual observations, but Columbus is particularly fallible. I don't trust a man who specializes in navigation but can't tell when he's found a new land (even though many of his contemporaries did fairly quickly) to identify ET spacecraft which are, you claim, capable of travel between stars.
But, since you're so post-happy and seem determined to get a response, I'll go ahead.

what about kecksburg

Given that the NASA has said it was a Russian/Soviet satellite (2005), and that the military denied it was a Soviet satellite fervently up until the Soviet Union dissolved but has said little to nothing about it since, I'd go with a Soviet satellite collected by the military/government.

Roswell

Mogul, Cold War fears of Soviet bombers overhead, and looking for evidence to fit a preconceived conclusion decades after the fact.

the list goes on and on

List them further, or hush. Saying, "I've got more!!!" is a waste of space.

cow mutilations, what can kill a cow, take all the blood out and not leave 1 trace, or 1 Speck around or in the cow?

See? Listing.
I've never seen proof of the 'no blood at all!' bit.
As for clean carcasses (no video game gore, no pool of blood) decomposition and scavengers will do. I've seen it happen to dead deer before.
And before you bring up missing eyes, that's often where carrion birds go first, since it's soft and exposed, and birds are incredibly precise with their beaks, when they care to be.

animals couldn't do that

Yes they can, particularly if they're scavengers and the cow has been dead for a little while- blood doesn't really flow unless the animal is still alive.

and unless we invented some technology that ppl are using in the middle of the night on remote farms all accross the world in a world wide unknown cult theres very few explanations, how could you kill it without spilling 1 drop of blood, how come many of the cows have broken bones consistent with a drop?

Again, I've never seen a carcass with no blood, even though you claim there are scores upon scores of them. Evidence, please? Preferably from a veterinarian or someone of the sort, not Bob Rancher or Suzy Animal-Lover?
Why do you think cows can't die absent blunt trauma or vampires/el chupacabras type beasts, anyway?

I heard a really great comment about conspiracy theories once: "A conspiracy theorist lays out all manner of facts, then says, 'Connect the dots! Coincidence?' An investigative journalist or a scholar actually connects the dots. A gossip merely says, 'Connect the dots,' and does no more."
I think a similar description applies here, too. You tell me why dead cattle and lights in the sky can come from no other source but ETs, or your comments are only good as a brief diversion to stave off boredom.