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    Legally, marriage is a binding contract.

    Socially, it's just something couples "do" for financial security, common goals, emotional bonds, dreams, etc. It's considered socially acceptable to get married when you feel strongly for each other and want to share those things together. Although marriage isn't really nessasary for a relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocletian View Post
    Incorrect. I had those feelings about my ex-girlfriend a few years back. We weren't married.
    I love my fiancee very much. It is because I love her and want to spend my whole entire life body and soul with her that I want to marry her. We're tying the bond of our feeling together.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    I deleted the irrelevant part cause I never asked for your religion.
    If a person can't comprehend this feeling, then how can you expect a government to legislate over it?
    Obviously two people shouldn't get married if they don't share this feeling, right?

    Also, you have yet to prove that this feeling even exists in the first place. You're not much different than someone saying "Gay marriage is wrong because of this feeling I have."
    My religion then is Orthodox Christianity.

    If you love someone deeply you can comprehend the feeling. This is a feeling between people not outsiders. It's something outsiders wouldn't understand. Example, my mother[grandma] wants to know what I see in my fiancee. Love isn't for a third person party. Love is between two people and that love cannot be shared with anyone else.
    Unless you're those weird type who love six different people and they all share the same feeling with one another.

    Love a lot like marriage is hard to comprehend to others. But love and marriage can be comprehended through both partners.

    Wedding is in October. And I'm going to be a dad. Super excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post

    Also, you have yet to prove that this feeling even exists in the first place. You're not much different than someone saying "Gay marriage is wrong because of this feeling I have."

    I'm guessing you think only your opinion counts on here? And it's much more than a feeling, Wio. You should really understand this. I find it immorally wrong to marry the same sex. Marriage should be male to female not male to male or female to female. I don't hate homosexuals, I just don't like their ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Moonlight View Post
    Legally, marriage is a binding contract
    That's a holonym, not a definition.

    If marriage is to be a legislated institution, it MUST have a clear definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by strumpet View Post
    I'm guessing you think only your opinion counts on here? And it's much more than a feeling, Wio.
    I'm questioning Rem's definition of marriage, not yours. Why are you defending someone else's definition when you have a different definition altogether?

    Edit: Oh yeah, if I thought only my opinion counts on here, why would I even be asking someone theirs in the first place? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by strumpet View Post
    I'm guessing you think only your opinion counts on here? And it's much more than a feeling, Wio. You should really understand this. I find it immorally wrong to marry the same sex. Marriage should be male to female not male to male or female to female. I don't hate homosexuals, I just don't like their ways.
    The Bible says nothing of man and man not being able to marry.

    Wedding is in October. And I'm going to be a dad. Super excited.

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    Last time I checked, love had no sexual orientation. That means homosexuals can feel obviously, the same emotions that straight couples do, and want to be married for the same reasons. Cause you know, they're all human and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocletian View Post
    Af is backwards.

    Most of AF: Accepting of gays.
    Most of AF: Unaccepting of Christians, Cathy's, etc.

    Most of IRL: Unaccepting of gays.
    Most of IRL: Accepting of Christians, Cathy's, etc.
    Keep in mind that AF is international. What applies in region does not apply everywhere.

    Moreover, sane logic has more impact in text format, so it's easier for a logically affluent group of people to keep logically deficient loudmouths quiet on the internets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diocletian View Post
    Remember AF is bizzaro world. White font is more popular than black font, and being an anime fan in an anime forum isn't cool.
    I claim some portion of the credit for that. People like me put the cool in being an Anime-hating cantankerous person on an Anime Forum.
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    Last time I checked, love doesn't have an asterisk with "limit 1 per customer" at the bottom either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Moonlight View Post
    Last time I checked, love had no sexual orientation. That means homosexuals can feel obviously, the same emotions that straight couples do, and want to be married for the same reasons. Cause you know, they're all human and stuff.
    No I refuse to believe that. Once you become a homosexual you're immediately not human.

    Wedding is in October. And I'm going to be a dad. Super excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post

    I'm questioning Rem's definition of marriage, not yours. Why are you defending someone else's definition when you have a different definition altogether?
    Thought you were referring to me about the whole "Gay marriage is wrong because of this feeling."


    Because that really sounds like what everyone else is saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    Last time I checked, love doesn't have an asterisk with "limit 1 per customer" at the bottom either.
    I know that. But for me love is between one person. Because I cannot feel for four different people all at the same time. Some people may, but others don't. I don't want fourty wives, like some people do. I want 1 person whom I can spend my life with sharing each other body and soul. Love is how many people you can love. For me it's 1 person. And even so. Even if it is more then 1 lover, it's still something within the relationship that those in the relationship can understand. Those not in the relationship wouldn't understand.

    Wedding is in October. And I'm going to be a dad. Super excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rem Nightfall View Post
    No I refuse to believe that. Once you become a homosexual you're immediately not human.
    Of course. And a few weeks after being gay a Xenomorph bursts out of your chest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by strumpet View Post
    Thought you were referring to me about the whole "Gay marriage is wrong because of this feeling."


    Because that really sounds like what everyone else is saying.
    My only problem with you is that I think you should really think more deeply as to why you dislike homosexual relationships. Saying things like "it's unnatural" aren't going to help you get your point across. Half the battle is finding our your true believe down to its core, and the other half is being able to explain it logically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rem Nightfall
    I know that. But for me love is between one person. Because I cannot feel for four different people all at the same time. Some people may, but others don't. I don't want fourty wives, like some people do. I want 1 person whom I can spend my life with sharing each other body and soul. Love is how many people you can love. For me it's 1 person. And even so. Even if it is more then 1 lover, it's still something within the relationship that those in the relationship can understand. Those not in the relationship wouldn't understand.
    Well, I'm satisfied with this answer. It's good to see that you thought about it critically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris' View Post
    Of course. And a few weeks after being gay a Xenomorph bursts out of your chest.
    Hahahahhaaha. Yes, yes it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    My only problem with you is that I think you should really think more deeply as to why you dislike homosexual relationships. Saying things like "it's unnatural" aren't going to help you get your point across. Half the battle is finding our your true believe down to its core, and the other half is being able to explain it logically.

    I've mentioned why it felt unnatural. It's because how I was raised; only a male and female should share marriage together, not the same. And from that I've honestly believe homosexual relationships are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post

    Well, I'm satisfied with this answer. It's good to see that you thought about it critically.
    I always do....I'm don't know if you know this or not, but I'm not an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strumpet View Post
    I've mentioned why it felt unnatural. It's because how I was raised; only a male and female should share marriage together, not the same. And from that I've honestly believe homosexual relationships are wrong.
    Hmm, but don't you think you were raised that way for a reason? I mean, you are taught that crimes are bad due to the effect they have on victims. With homosexuality, the problem would have to lie in what makes it difference from heterosexuality, would it not?

    I always do....I'm don't know if you know this or not, but I'm not an idiot.
    It's not that I thought you were an idiot per se. It's just that I find it a waste when people neglect to use the actual reasoning behind their beliefs to make a point as opposed to bullying someoneelse's beliefs because they happen to be an underdog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    It's not that I thought you were an idiot per se. It's just that I find it a waste when people neglect to use the actual reasoning behind their beliefs to make a point as opposed to bullying someoneelse's beliefs because they happen to be an underdog.
    I don't believe in doing that. That is wrong. I don't bully people with my beliefs. Just takes me a bit of time to make them understand what I'm implying....sometimes. Most times people click right away. Everyone has the right to express their belief without being attacked by another belief.

    Wedding is in October. And I'm going to be a dad. Super excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rem Nightfall View Post
    I don't believe in doing that. That is wrong. I don't bully people with my beliefs. Just takes me a bit of time to make them understand what I'm implying....sometimes. Most times people click right away. Everyone has the right to express their belief without being attacked by another belief.
    You kept using sarcasm to the point where the other person got irritated and told you to shut up, and then you kept doing it... did you really expect to reach someone this way? If you didn't then you were merely bullying. If you did then I find your method quite interesting. I mean I try to avoid that approach because people don't tend to open their mind to those that belittle them.

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    Wow.. I love seeing these types of topics. Brings back memories. =)

    Well, I think we all know how I feel about this topic. And I assure you it's not because I want to "fit in". It's because I honestly believe that people are entitled to their own opinion whether they are for or against gay marriage.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    You kept using sarcasm to the point where the other person got irritated and told you to shut up, and then you kept doing it... did you really expect to reach someone this way? If you didn't then you were merely bullying. If you did then I find your method quite interesting. I mean I try to avoid that approach because people don't tend to open their mind to those that belittle them.
    I didn't expect him to listen to me either way or not. Most people tend to look at something with one way to look. What's the point of trying to debate to someone who isn't opinion to hear anyone else's opinion? Most people expect to state their opinion and either everyone has to agree with or everyone doesn't. But the person who doesn't agree with them in most cases is an idiot. I didn't do it to bully. I did it because I knew either way I wouldn't change or have him open his mind to different kinds of thinking.
    I expected either way he would disagree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rem Nightfall View Post
    Most people expect to state their opinion and either everyone has to agree with or everyone doesn't. But the person who doesn't agree with them in most cases is an idiot.

    I don't think they are an idiot. I think they are just the minority in this topic, which isn't a problem. Now, I may not agree with someone, but I still respect their opinion, and won't be immature about something and start insulting them. Don't get me wrong, I am pro gay marriage, but just because someone does not agree with it, doesn't make them any less of a person, just like being gay (although the majority of Americans disagree with their lifestyle), makes them any less of a person.

    Proudly showing your support of gay marriage is equally important as someone disagreeing with gay marriage. We're fighting for equal rights, not anything else.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    I don't think they are an idiot. I think they are just the minority in this topic, which isn't a problem. Now, I may not agree with someone, but I still respect their opinion, and won't be immature about something and start insulting them. Don't get me wrong, I am pro gay marriage, but just because someone does not agree with it, doesn't make them any less of a person, just like being gay (although the majority of Americans disagree with their lifestyle), makes them any less of a person.

    Proudly showing your support of gay marriage is equally important as someone disagreeing with gay marriage. We're fighting for equal rights, not anything else.
    I wasn't insulting them. I think you misunderstood. Many people believe because I disagree with or anyone else disagrees with them is stupid, doesn't have clear opinion, or simply an idiot.
    I wasn't insulting anyone.

    I respect what he says, I respect his opinions. I do not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strumpet View Post
    I've mentioned why it felt unnatural. It's because how I was raised; only a male and female should share marriage together, not the same. And from that I've honestly believe homosexual relationships are wrong.
    I believe someone somewhere who knew what he/she was talking about once said that inherited faith and/or beliefs are a dangerous thing. Not to say that what you think isn't right, but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong either. Right and wrong are such controversial concepts that topics that revolve around them tend to turn into belitting arguments that don't raise any real truth. In that respect, I'd be more interested in finding out why you were raised that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    Hmm, but don't you think you were raised that way for a reason? I mean, you are taught that crimes are bad due to the effect they have on victims. With homosexuality, the problem would have to lie in what makes it difference from heterosexuality, would it not?
    Some people might think that way; however, I simply don't like to see it as a problem in the first place. The real problem lies in why people think of it as a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinn Kamiyra View Post
    Some people might think that way; however, I simply don't like to see it as a problem in the first place. The real problem lies in why people think of it as a problem.
    The real problem? If there is a real problem it is that everyone doesn't value the same thing because that's what controversy stems from. We all have different values and no debate, despite how logical, is enough to change them, because we don't hold these values for logical reasons.

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