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    This is meant to try and draw some off topic religious talk ive noticed an a thread. That, and it fits here in misc where Bible arguments are considered Lulz.

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    I have several opinions on religion, though most involve christianity (mainly due to growing up around/immersed in it)

    To clear things up with last paragraph, I consider myself to be borderline Aethist/Agnostic.

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    Personally? I have nothing against other people being a part of a religion provided it isn't thrust upon me. I myself believe that the truth of a creator deity/father figure/ultimate judgment should be irrelevant, and that you should do what's right because it's right instead of because you desire reward or fear punishment. This is why it cracks me up when someone assumes that since atheists don't believe in Heaven or Hell they must be completely amoral d-bags; It tells you a lot about their character that if they didn't think they were going to Heaven or Hell they would kill, rape and steal all day every day.
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    Well, as an ignostic (not a typo) / Theological noncognitivist, I find the question of a deity's existence rather incomplete. Unless God is defined in such a way that his existence can be verified, pondering the question is meaningless. It's like asking for the speed of happiness. From this point of view, both religion and atheism is equally flawed, and agnosticism is right for the wrong reasons.

    Organized Religion generally promote values I'm having difficulties supporting. Many organized religions actively spread ideas that are opposed to logic and reason, such as faith.
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    Religion... hmmmmm. Never heard of it



    riiight...

    god... no god... to make a long story short! we all die. The End.
    religions come and go they always have and always will who cares.


    PS:i give christianity another 300 years maybe less, then its just history
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    Quote Originally Posted by sataned View Post
    PS:i give christianity another 300 years maybe less, then its just history
    X-tianity has been a slow bastard to kill. It's own worst enemy seems to be itself, as opposed to other religions or atheists. It's constantly splitting into new sects. This is a pretty telling picture. But they are only the major splits. You've also got countless sects from each branch. Shakers, Quakers, Jehova's witnesses, Mormons, Amish, etc.



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    I honestly dont believe that thereis a god nor that there isn't a god. In short i guess i really don't care enough to have a religion really. I mean whats the point in religion anyways, is it something that we cling and hope to for support to get through our everyday lives? Smurf if i know, anyways i just dont see a point in having a religion so therefor what would that make me in your eyes i wonder??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris' View Post
    Well, as an ignostic (not a typo) / Theological noncognitivist, I find the question of a deity's existence rather incomplete. Unless God is defined in such a way that his existence can be verified, pondering the question is meaningless. It's like asking for the speed of happiness. From this point of view, both religion and atheism is equally flawed, and agnosticism is right for the wrong reasons.

    Organized Religion generally promote values I'm having difficulties supporting. Many organized religions actively spread ideas that are opposed to logic and reason, such as faith.
    I suppose that if I were to place my views on religion somewhere, I would also fall into the above-mentioned category.

    Personally, I think that a primary contributing factor behind the concept of 'God' as we know it today is fear. People have the annoying habit of coming to fear what it is that they do not understand. In light of this fear, they seek to identify, characterize, and even classify it so that it is given 'something' for ordinary people to be able to identify with. 'God', in my opinion, is one of the epitomes of this function.

    If there is some higher order and/or being that exists in this universe, somewhere, I fail to see how it is that humans can come to understand it is as well as they think they do. That, in my opinion, is nothing more or less than arrogance on their part.

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    I'm Chrisitian; I do believe in the powers and existence of God and most of all that junk, and do my best to follow the basic "good morals" taught in it supposedly. I have no problem with other religions(or lack there of). Do I disagree with the morals of other religions sometimes? Yes, of course, but I'm not going to butt in and start pointing them all out. I'm Christian, because I chose to be, not because I was forced, bribed, etc into being one.

    I believe religion and the belief/disbelief in the existence of dieties is strictly a matter choice(or should be anyway). If someone else wants to follow a different religion or not follow one at all, then that's them, not me. I am Christian and that's that, unless someone disproves the existence of God and/or Jesus somehow.
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    While I consider myself borderline between the Agnostics and Aethists, this doesnt mean I havent tried to one of the biggest arguments christianity has ever faced (aminly, because living in a small farm town with a bunch of zealot christians and only a few evolutionists gets pretty annoying @[email protected])

    My Ideal here is called the Intelligent Evolutionary Design. The name comes from the combination of Evoutionary and the christian scientific name for creationism, Itelligent Design.

    Its based on the ideal that since god is 'eternal' (so say religions) then this means that his view of time would be different. 1 day to god could be several million or even billions of years for Us humans (with our linear view of time). Which means the 7 days it took god to make the universe, and Earth, could have taken billions of years for us with our view of time.

    This gives room for evolution, while still retaining that god created the universe

    (another way to look at my theory is to make god a scientist who decded to experiment by creating the universe to watch what happened. He would let things get to a certain point, then add or manipulate something, then let it sit again)

    as for how long christianity will last, i dont think 300 years. Going on current trends, (which, world wide, kinda lean towards agnotism) its likely to be 100-200. NOTE: this is not just for christianity. It is also for the other religions, exception of perhaps islam (but thats because there stubborn)

    Edit: I am also of the opinion of two things.

    First, the Spirit/Soul resides in the Brain

    second, I figure when i die ill figure out what happens, if there is or is not anything to be found out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josun Tomoro View Post
    While I consider myself borderline between the Agnostics and Aethists, this doesnt mean I havent tried to one of the biggest arguments christianity has ever faced (aminly, because living in a small farm town with a bunch of zealot christians and only a few evolutionists gets pretty annoying @[email protected])

    My Ideal here is called the Intelligent Evolutionary Design. The name comes from the combination of Evoutionary and the christian scientific name for creationism, Itelligent Design.

    Its based on the ideal that since god is 'eternal' (so say religions) then this means that his view of time would be different. 1 day to god could be several million or even billions of years for Us humans (with our linear view of time). Which means the 7 days it took god to make the universe, and Earth, could have taken billions of years for us with our view of time.

    This gives room for evolution, while still retaining that god created the universe

    (another way to look at my theory is to make god a scientist who decded to experiment by creating the universe to watch what happened. He would let things get to a certain point, then add or manipulate something, then let it sit again)

    as for how long christianity will last, i dont think 300 years. Going on current trends, (which, world wide, kinda lean towards agnotism) its likely to be 100-200. NOTE: this is not just for christianity. It is also for the other religions, exception of perhaps islam (but thats because there stubborn)

    Edit: I am also of the opinion of two things.

    First, the Spirit/Soul resides in the Brain

    second, I figure when i die ill figure out what happens, if there is or is not anything to be found out.
    I agree with your basic concepts here, and have so for a while now. In other words, I believe God created or least played a part in the creation of the universe, but that evolution did happen. I like to keep an open mind for science and scientific theories, despite being Christian. Now that I think about, I could call it "open" or "altered" Christianity or something.

    I believe the time thing was "A thousand years to us is like a day to God" btw. I personally think that is just an expression and not to be taken literally as the actual ratio though. 0_o

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    I'm in a point in time where I'm constantly questioning my religion. Some religions make me uncomfortable because of the consequences they put forward. While I try to be a good person, which I would whether I was Christian or Atheist, I don't devote all my time to any God, I devote some of it to my friends and family without even thinking of any higher power.

    I'm raised Catholic but some of the views Catholics/Christians have on certain subjects like gay marriage and abortion are views I don't agree with because I believe that we should also be tolerant of others. Basically any religion you could group me in, I would disagree with at least one thing they said. I hate the suffocating feeling of having to follow everything one certain religion says.

    My view on the higher power is that he's not so much a guide straight through as something to provide answers to certain questions.

    I still believe in evolution. But I always believe in the "God created man in seven days" concept because the whole concept of a "day" being a period of 24 hours is relatively new in terms of how long Earth has been around. To me, I believe that 7 days to a higher power may be millions of years.

    My take on some of the hard-core Christians who push their views on everyone:

    Go to Hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josun Tomoro View Post
    While I consider myself borderline between the Agnostics and Aethists, this doesnt mean I havent tried to one of the biggest arguments christianity has ever faced (aminly, because living in a small farm town with a bunch of zealot christians and only a few evolutionists gets pretty annoying @[email protected])

    My Ideal here is called the Intelligent Evolutionary Design. The name comes from the combination of Evoutionary and the christian scientific name for creationism, Itelligent Design.

    Its based on the ideal that since god is 'eternal' (so say religions) then this means that his view of time would be different. 1 day to god could be several million or even billions of years for Us humans (with our linear view of time). Which means the 7 days it took god to make the universe, and Earth, could have taken billions of years for us with our view of time.

    This gives room for evolution, while still retaining that god created the universe

    (another way to look at my theory is to make god a scientist who decded to experiment by creating the universe to watch what happened. He would let things get to a certain point, then add or manipulate something, then let it sit again)

    as for how long christianity will last, i dont think 300 years. Going on current trends, (which, world wide, kinda lean towards agnotism) its likely to be 100-200. NOTE: this is not just for christianity. It is also for the other religions, exception of perhaps islam (but thats because there stubborn)

    Edit: I am also of the opinion of two things.

    First, the Spirit/Soul resides in the Brain

    second, I figure when i die ill figure out what happens, if there is or is not anything to be found out.
    It's rather interesting to think about what will happen to us, what we'll discover, when we die. Whether or not we simply cease to exist and return to the Earth from whence we came or we move on to something completely beyond the human experience that we've come to know thus far. In either case, one can only hope that it'll put an end to the long-heated debate as to whether or not 'God' actually exists.

    If nothing else though, I want to see the reactions and faces of those who discover that the faith they've devoted so much of their lives to was a lie. Naturally, there are those that would be shaken; regardless, I'd be more interested in seeing those that would be able to cope with that and raised to a higher state of being. Those are the kind of people I find most interesting to be around with here on Earth, and I don't have any reason to think differently, at least right now, should there be another 'world' for us to move onto after we die.

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    I'll steal Bertrand Russell's answer:

    "Here there comes a practical question which has often troubled me. Whenever I go into a foreign country or a prison or any similar place they always ask me what is my religion.

    I never know whether I should say "Agnostic" or whether I should say "Atheist". It is a very difficult question and I daresay that some of you have been troubled by it. As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one prove that there is not a God.

    On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods. "

    TL;DR I'm agnostic, but sufficiently agnostic that you could call it atheism with some accuracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josun Tomoro
    My Ideal here is called the Intelligent Evolutionary Design. The name comes from the combination of Evoutionary and the christian scientific name for creationism, Itelligent Design.

    Its based on the ideal that since god is 'eternal' (so say religions) then this means that his view of time would be different. 1 day to god could be several million or even billions of years for Us humans (with our linear view of time). Which means the 7 days it took god to make the universe, and Earth, could have taken billions of years for us with our view of time.

    This gives room for evolution, while still retaining that god created the universe


    (another way to look at my theory is to make god a scientist who decded to experiment by creating the universe to watch what happened. He would let things get to a certain point, then add or manipulate something, then let it sit again)
    This is nothing new, it's what most Liberal Christians believe. Frankly, I think it's still a logical disservice to humanity because it's making an unfounded assumption (a Deity) and using it to explain natural processes that are fairly well understood.

    And from this I would say that the philosophy of deism would be a better fit for you.

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    I still believe in evolution. But I always believe in the "God created man in seven days" concept because the whole concept of a "day" being a period of 24 hours is relatively new in terms of how long Earth has been around. To me, I believe that 7 days to a higher power may be millions of years.
    This is just plain silly. A day has always been the period of time the earth has spun around it's axis, resulting in a day/night cycle. Throughout all of human history the rotation of the Earth has been ≈ 24 hours. On a geological time scale, the Earth used to spin much, much faster resulting in days much shorter then 24 hours. Now if you want to make the argument as many OEC's do that the word "day" was mistranslated go ahead, but I understand it to be a dubious argument to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josun Tomoro View Post
    While I consider myself borderline between the Agnostics and Aethists, this doesnt mean I havent tried to one of the biggest arguments christianity has ever faced (aminly, because living in a small farm town with a bunch of zealot christians and only a few evolutionists gets pretty annoying @[email protected])

    My Ideal here is called the Intelligent Evolutionary Design. The name comes from the combination of Evoutionary and the christian scientific name for creationism, Itelligent Design.

    Its based on the ideal that since god is 'eternal' (so say religions) then this means that his view of time would be different. 1 day to god could be several million or even billions of years for Us humans (with our linear view of time). Which means the 7 days it took god to make the universe, and Earth, could have taken billions of years for us with our view of time.

    This gives room for evolution, while still retaining that god created the universe

    (another way to look at my theory is to make god a scientist who decded to experiment by creating the universe to watch what happened. He would let things get to a certain point, then add or manipulate something, then let it sit again)

    as for how long christianity will last, i dont think 300 years. Going on current trends, (which, world wide, kinda lean towards agnotism) its likely to be 100-200. NOTE: this is not just for christianity. It is also for the other religions, exception of perhaps islam (but thats because there stubborn)

    Edit: I am also of the opinion of two things.

    First, the Spirit/Soul resides in the Brain

    second, I figure when i die ill figure out what happens, if there is or is not anything to be found out.
    The problem with this is that back when the bible was written I highly doubt that the wirter would have even considered that god's days are different than our days. So its effectively void.

    Also the soul cannot reside in the brain because the brain can be altered and in turn alters how you think or how your senses respond. If one actually had a soul I don't think this would happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    This is just plain silly. A day has always been the period of time the earth has spun around it's axis, resulting in a day/night cycle. Throughout all of human history the rotation of the Earth has been ≈ 24 hours. On a geological time scale, the Earth used to spin much, much faster resulting in days much shorter then 24 hours. Now if you want to make the argument as many OEC's do that the word "day" was mistranslated go ahead, but I understand it to be a dubious argument to say the least.
    I suppose that's true.

    But I believe that at any point in time, the person who created the 24-hour day thing could have just as easily said "Once Earth has made two rotations on it's axis, that is when you have your day."

    But I guess that only leads to the word "day" being mistranslated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memento Mori View Post
    I suppose that's true.

    But I believe that at any point in time, the person who created the 24-hour day thing could have just as easily said "Once Earth has made two rotations on it's axis, that is when you have your day."
    The next question would be why would anyone decide that *two* Wake/Sleep cycles is a more useful and natural separation then one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manhattan_Project_2000 View Post
    The next question would be why would anyone decide that *two* Wake/Sleep cycles is a more useful and natural separation then one.
    That's why I said that it would just lead to the whole "day" being mistranslated and it not really providing a decent argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memento Mori View Post
    That's why I said that it would just lead to the whole "day" being mistranslated and it not really providing a decent argument.
    What the OECs are saying is that the word the ancient Hebrews used for "day" also meant something like "a really, really long time" as though that made sense.* If you then point out the Genesis says that Yahweh created plants "a really, really long time" before he created the sun, they get angry and ask you to quit reading their holy book so literally.

    *- Oh, you wanted that ram today? I thought you meant in a couple million years.
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    I've pretty much ascribed myself to Agnosticism as I just don't like the idea of religion. I don't like trying to debate religion with other people because it's a field of argument almost completely devoid of logic. Who wins a debate if the answer is, quite simply, unknown? I mean, why does it matter? Why should it matter? Everyone who has any concept of a god or gods has a different one than the person they're sitting next to. Everyone thinks of it differently. So it's kind of like my opinions on "good" and "evil." They're so impossible to give an all-encompassing definition that's it's worthless to realistically debate anything about the two concepts.

    I do believe, however, that, if there is a such thing as god, we could never, in a million or a billion, or any other number of years comprehend his/her existence. I tend to liken it to a computer and its programmer. The computer appears to have intelligence but it is false and fabricated by it's creator, and the computer has no self awareness in the same way that we are aware of it. As a computer, the product of someone else's creation, it could NEVER comprehend the person or persons that created it. Is it really possible for humans to have even the slightest inkling into the existence and the breadth and purpose of this grand level of intelligence and being called 'God?'

    An idea that I kind of like to play around with from time to time is an idea that goes along with my "we can't fathom god" idea. I think that if there is a god that religion or any beliefs concerning life, or religion or the world around us are kind of right, more or less, in their own way. If there is an intelligent being that wants us to know of his/her existence, then, since we could never fathom him/her then he/she gives every religious sect and scientific investigation a very small piece of the puzzle. A minuscule glimpse of the larger scheme, but that's just something I play around with because there is, again, no way I could ever prove that.

    Just to clarify: I ascribe to no real belief. I have never had any proof to believe or not to believe in a god or a lack thereof. There has yet to be a concrete definition as to what I'm looking for, anyway. I try not bother with it, though my mind likes to wonder and be imaginative.

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    I have no problems with religion. I was raised Southern Baptist, and have since fallen into the school of thought that says "Well, there's something bigger out there than I am". I just dislike people who say they're Christian just because they can post walls of text from the Bible to supposedly back up whatever crackbrained thing they're on about this week, or people who swear up and down they're Christian and yet can't get over things people do in their personal lives, even though other people who profess to be Christian have no problem with it and really never discuss it. "Hate the sin, love the sinner", or what have you, I suppose.

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    I am a Christian of sorts as some of you know from the Chat. I do not press my religion on others, and I believe each to their own. We all die, we are all technically going to the same place (death) the idea that everyone must argue over it is just silly. Religion is a way people deal with the unknown, along with Agnostic, and Atheism. We are all on a road towards death. I personally deal with depression, semi suicidal thoughts so I need my religion, to be able to make it through my days you can consider religious people unlogical all you want but you got to realize that they use religion as a source of hope for the unknown. Not all people fear death, but most do, and religion is a good copping mechanism. I respect all others decisions, whether it be choosing a religion or none at all I don't force my stuff on anyone, and I don't care what others do, just don't bash me for what I choose is what I say
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    Religion is something man invented to explain how things worked in the world. It is a primitive way to explain why stuff happens and why it exists. I still do not understand how someone in an age of scientific explanations could still believe that some mystical being created and controls things. The fact that there are people who believe in those fairy tales in the Bible makes me feel like I'm surrounded by people who still believe in Santa Clause. To believe that there were only two people in the beginning that SOME HOW populated the entire earth is just ridiculous. To believe that a snake talked (which is silly in the first place) to these people and convinced them to eat some bad fruit is just crazy. Evolution can barely be considered a theory anymore. There's just huge piles of proof for it. And all religious people have is their religious texts, which by the way were more than likely written by nomads on drugs (it is a historic fact that nomads smoked certain types of herbs that would cause them to get high), as there were plenty roaming the earth around the times when all of these religious texts were written.

    That is what I TRULY think of religion. I know this will probably offend some people, but I was asked what my take was on it so I answered honestly.
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