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its like a stuck tape player
can we train a better troll?
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but troll needs upgrade
its like a stuck tape player
can we train a better troll?
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Quote Eris:
There are no rules. They are just words on a piece of paper.
I've tried over and over again, but the conditioning won't stick. The force is strong with this one.Originally Posted by overwatch
Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.
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You can call me out for being a woman. You can call me out for being a witch. However, I am not, nor have I ever said that I was, a lesbian. And, AGAIN, I am fully aware of what the Bible says about witchcraft and homosexuality (too bad I am not a Christian to care about what it says). In fact, I gave you the EXACT book, chapter and verse of the Bible that condemns homosexuality. I even gave you the verses in the Bible that proved your point about modesty in the Bible, something that you failed to do and continue to fail in doing.
I was helping to prove one of your points (other than the fact that you are trying to push Christian values onto a character that DOES NOT EXIST), but now that you feel like insulting me, needless to say, your posts are about to be torn apart.
1. Unless you trying to make yourself stupid (I can tell that you are), I have posted several little tips on how to post and quote like you have some degree of sence so that maybe we will take you more "seriously" (which is most likely never going to happen). When you quote from a website, summerize what they say and then make your point, otherwise I do not know what you are getting at (other than being a moron). Also, check to make sure that the source is credible and can actually PROVE your point (I will explain in a moment why you failed at this).
2. I do not know what type of Christian you are (nor do I care), but I do not know anybody who quotes, or even THINKS about quoting, from the New International Version of the Bible. The King James Version is already full of crap that he put in and the NIV is full of even MORE crap. It is basically the dumbed down version of the Bible for people who can not actually read the Bible, can not fathom the thought that God can cast them into Hell in a heartbeat or the fact that the Bible is fulled with violence, sex and murder.
3. Now, about that website you "quoted". Like I said before, you automatically fail by quoting from the NIV of the Bible, so that website does not help you. I decided to read Matthew 18:1-14 again to see if I was wrong. I was not. You see, that particular quote of the Bible is the foundation of the "it takes a village to raise a child" thinking that Christians have. These verses say that you should not allow a child to sin or cause them to sin (or stop them from believing in God and Jesus) and that you should lead them back to righteousness should they go astray. Since the Bible outright condemns things like homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22) and incest (Leviticus 20:11-14), it would be a stretch to say that this verse condemns pedophila.
4. Also, that website does a HORRIBLE job of quoting from the Bible. They tried to prove their point about "unnatural affection" by quoting Romans 1:31 and 2 Timothy 3:2. These quotes, however, fail to prove their point. Neither of these quotes give the definition of what "without natural affection" means. They seem to be random quotes that just happen to have those words in them. 2 Timothy 3:2 is basically a list of sinners that will appear during the terrible days. Romans 1:31 does not condemn anything on its own. The website said that the phrase "without natural affection" meant affection that was not acccepted by the social norm and this would include a pedophile. However, who's social norm are we comparing it to? The social norms of the Bible or our current social norms? For example, polygamy is not acceptable in our current society in yet, the Bible supports it (the Bible basically says that you can have another wife or two, but you have to take care of them all, Exodus 21:10).
As I have already told you, the Bible says that if you have damaged testicles or are missing a penis, you can not go to church (Deuteronomy 23:1). Tell me, Mavericker, do you go to church? Because I have a strong feeling that you are not supposed to be there.
This is my war face.
This is what happens to trolls who mess with me.
I don't want to here what you and Marudashi have to tell me about the Bible 'cause you two aren't Christians:You can call me out for being a woman. You can call me out for being a witch. However, I am not, nor have I ever said that I was, a lesbian. And, AGAIN, I am fully aware of what the Bible says about witchcraft and homosexuality (too bad I am not a Christian to care about what it says). In fact, I gave you the EXACT book, chapter and verse of the Bible that condemns homosexuality. I even gave you the verses in the Bible that proved your point about modesty in the Bible, something that you failed to do and continue to fail in doing.
I was helping to prove one of your points (other than the fact that you are trying to push Christian values onto a character that DOES NOT EXIST), but now that you feel like insulting me, needless to say, your posts are about to be torn apart
1. Unless you trying to make yourself stupid (I can tell that you are), I have posted several little tips on how to post and quote like you have some degree of sence so that maybe we will take you more "seriously" (which is most likely never going to happen). When you quote from a website, summerize what they say and then make your point, otherwise I do not know what you are getting at (other than being a moron). Also, check to make sure that the source is credible and can actually PROVE your point (I will explain in a moment why you failed at this).
2. I do not know what type of Christian you are (nor do I care), but I do not know anybody who quotes, or even THINKS about quoting, from the New International Version of the Bible. The King James Version is already full of crap that he put in and the NIV is full of even MORE crap. It is basically the dumbed down version of the Bible for people who can not actually read the Bible, can not fathom the thought that God can cast them into Hell in a heartbeat or the fact that the Bible is fulled with violence, sex and murder.
3. Now, about that website you "quoted". Like I said before, you automatically fail by quoting from the NIV of the Bible, so that website does not help you. I decided to read Matthew 18:1-14 again to see if I was wrong. I was not. You see, that particular quote of the Bible is the foundation of the "it takes a village to raise a child" thinking that Christians have. These verses say that you should not allow a child to sin or cause them to sin (or stop them from believing in God and Jesus) and that you should lead them back to righteousness should they go astray. Since the Bible outright condemns things like homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22) and incest (Leviticus 20:11-14), it would be a stretch to say that this verse condemns pedophila.
4. Also, that website does a HORRIBLE job of quoting from the Bible. They tried to prove their point about "unnatural affection" by quoting Romans 1:31 and 2 Timothy 3:2. These quotes, however, fail to prove their point. Neither of these quotes give the definition of what "without natural affection" means. They seem to be random quotes that just happen to have those words in them. 2 Timothy 3:2 is basically a list of sinners that will appear during the terrible days. Romans 1:31 does not condemn anything on its own. The website said that the phrase "without natural affection" meant affection that was not acccepted by the social norm and this would include a pedophile. However, who's social norm are we comparing it to? The social norms of the Bible or our current social norms? For example, polygamy is not acceptable in our current society in yet, the Bible supports it (the Bible basically says that you can have another wife or two, but you have to take care of them all, Exodus 21:10).
As I have already told you, the Bible says that if you have damaged testicles or are missing a penis, you can not go to church (Deuteronomy 23:1). Tell me, Mavericker, do you go to church? Because I have a strong feeling that you are not supposed to be there.
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. Psalms 1:1
Mavericker, it's impossible to take you seriously quoting the Bible with the filter on (not that anyone did, just saying there's not even a remote chance left that anyone will take you seriously anymore), so why don't you just relax and take a rest for however long and save us all the pain of witnessing a fellow human being humiliate himself like this.
Last edited by Datenshi; 03-08-2009 at 05:33 PM.
"If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron."
-Spider Robinson, God Is an Iron
Marudashi is an idiot-just because Japan isn't big on the Bible, doesn't mean what they are doing isn't immoral.
People in Sodom and Gemorrah didn't see anything wrong with what they were doing.
What's wrong with being not Christian? I find having no religion to be most fun, because I'm not morally obligated to not do something, just because some paper says it's bad. Only reason why I don't do anything of much, is because the law exists, and I prefer not to break it.
Also, stop staring at butts, it seems to get you all worked up, and then you come on here to complain about it.
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It's a plain and simple fact:NOT EVERYONE IS CHRISTIAN
Your color is Black. You value power, ambition, and darkness. You love power at any cost, and are a corrupting influence on those around you. At your best, you are resourceful and unashamed. At your worst, you are parasitic and amoral. Your symbol is a skull. Your enemies are white and green
Nevermind that the way you're using it flatly contradicts practically everything Jesus taught, since he thought that he and his church had to spread his message to the Jews/Romans/Everyone Else, even though the majority of Jews thought he was a false prophet (And rightfully so, since Jesus fits the bill for false prophets according to the OT), and everyone else thought he was a kook. You can't simply tells someone what to believe in, you have to show that you are knowledgeable on the Bible and be willing to answer questions about it. You fail on both points.
So, I guess what I'm saying here is how sad is it that you as a Christian fail so badly at even the big picture of proselytization?
Last edited by Manhattan_Project_2000; 03-08-2009 at 09:05 PM.
Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.
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Say whatever you want Mavericker, but I have yet to say anything about the Bible that you, an apparent encyclopedia when it comes to all things Christian, shouldn't already know. By the way, I am still waiting for that Bible verse that says that pedophilia is against the Bible. I am not going to call Japan's morality into question when they allow 13 year olds to concent to sex (their rules, their business), however, you can not compare their morality to that of the Bible because THEY DO NOT FOLLOW IT (and neither do you for the most part). And you certainly can't do that to a cartoon character that does not even EXIST. By the way, Sodom and Gomorrah (learn to spell Biblical words if you are going to use them) were destroyed by God once he found out what they were doing. However, Japan has existed for a LOOOONG TIME and apparently God hasn't done a thing about it.
Also, you can say anything about me (I honestly don't care and so long as the filter is on, I am going to laugh at everything you say no matter what...just like I always do), but Marudashi has already said that she is Catholic. If you are going to call her out on it, can I just say that the way Christianity is supposed to be organized is in the Bible? So what does that say about you? And I guess to a Protestant, a Catholic praying to Mary may look like idolatry. However, do you, a Christian, want to put the Virgin Mary, the blessed mother of Jesus, into the same category as a giant gold staute of a cow? You do realize that is EXACTLY want you are doing, right?
Oh, by the way, you are going against the very Bible verse that you posted. As a "good Christian", you are not supposed to be in the presence of sinners, let alone communicating with them on a daily basis. Since I am apparently a sinner, why are you talking to me? Why do you keep coming back here?
I'm not a Christian either, but here are two more bible quotes I think that you should also be aware of (since its obvious you're not, even though you are a "Christian"):
"Judge not, lest ye be judged." - Matthew 7:1.
And
""Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." - Luke 6:37
For a Christian, you're much like the rest of the denomination. Only choosing bits and pieces of what you'd like to believe in. You're such a close-minded fool.
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1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
4:3 For this is God’s will: that you become holy, 1 that you keep away from sexual immorality, 4:4 that each of you know how to possess his own body 2 in holiness and honor, 4:5 not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God.
1 Corinthians 6:13
Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food, but God will make them both unnecessary. The body is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
Try being relevant for a change. The question is how does the bible define sexual perversion, not whether it disapproves of it. You still haven't provided evidence of the Bible disapproving of Pedophilia, incest, or anything, really. You are assuming it agrees with your 21st century ideas, which is laughable.
Last edited by Manhattan_Project_2000; 03-10-2009 at 09:24 PM.
Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.
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from http://www.scripturessay.com/article.php?cat=&id=170 :
Q: Is homosexuality condemned by the Bible?
Yes, just as fornication is condemned by the Bible, and for the same reason; it is a perversion of God's plan.
God's plan is one man for one woman, for life, and the sexual relationship between a man and a woman is a sacred, God given right, privilege, and pleasure, intended by God to be exercised only within the confines of marriage. Any and every other allowance for sexual practices on the part of human beings is sexual perversion.
Man does not have the right to do what he pleases. God sets the standard for morality, although man seems to feel that he is free to set his own standard. God grants man the opportunity to obey him. We can choose to obey, or we can choose to be disobedient. God's law for human beings is sexual relations within marriage, period. Man thinks this to be too restrictive, so he looks for ways to rationalize his perversion. Some sexual perverts enjoy pornographic material, some sexual perverts are adulators, some perverts want sex with children, some sexual perverts engage in sex with animals, some are homosexuals. All of these are previsions of God's plan. An adulator is an immoral person because he has violated God's standard of morality. A homosexual is an immoral person for the same reason.
Wow, you can quote sites that are making the same logical fallacy as you! You're an internet hero!
Note: I didn't say homosexuality, although I guess it's actually pretty hard to figure out the Bible's actual position if you read it with a historian's perspective in it's native ancient Hebrew.
Last edited by Manhattan_Project_2000; 03-10-2009 at 09:41 PM.
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DID YOU NOT READ MY POST? IT DEFINES WHAT A SEXUAL PERVERT IS.
Were you the one who said I was gay? I make a comment about Kukaku that makes me gay?
Yes, it was very good at defining what some guy thinks a sexual pervert is, but I was asking about what Bible defines perversion as.
No, and I didn't even imply it in my last post, but your response seems to lend credence to anyone who would insinuate that you're projecting.Were you the one who said I was gay? I make a comment about Kukaku that makes me gay?
Last edited by Manhattan_Project_2000; 03-10-2009 at 09:55 PM.
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Wow. A lesson about how wrong it is to be a sexual pervert from someone who has admitted that they touch themselves while looking at half-naked cartoon characters on a voluntary basis. Sorry, but no one is going to take this one seriously. Also, no one said that you were gay. Datenshi did say that you were officially "out of the closet", but that was saying that you are pervert and a moron, not that you are gay. By the way, STILL waiting for that Bible quote that explictly states that pedophilia is bad.
Your last post said absolutely nothing that we don't already know about the Bible. In fact, your post failed to give us the Bible definition of what a sexual pervert was. It just said that God hates homosexuals and perverts.
Also, like I said before, check what the website quotes from. The website, for the most part, quotes from the New American Standard Version of the Bible. For those who do not know, the NASB is basically a watered down version of the Bible for people who can not read the KJV. Although it was translated word for word directly from the Hebrew Bible (at least that is what they say), there are words that were not translated (due them having no English equivalent), so this Bible is basically what Americans think the Bible SHOULD say (keeping in all of the parts that contradict itself).
The Bible does not give the definition of marriage as one man and one woman. The Bible only condemns fornicators (people who have sex outside of marriage) in this case, so you need to be married to have sex, however it does not say that you can only be married to one person. There are a few verses in the Bible that say that a man should be with one woman:
"Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."(1 Corinthians 7:2)
But these can be easily countered by the many, many quotes from the Bible in which a man has many wives and is never condemned for it. In fact, the Bible says that if a man chooses to have another wive, then he must take of both of them (Exodus 21:10).
The Bible has many things that contadict other things already said in the Bible. For example, while incest is condemned in the Bible (Leviticus 18:6 and Leviticus 20:11-14), Lot had drunken sex with his daugthers after escaping Sodom when God destroyed it. Yeah, God destroys Sodom and Gomarrah because it was full of fornicators, homosexuals, rapists and mean people but lets Lot live because he is a "righteous man"...but then this "righteous man" has sex with his daughters (honestly how much wine do you need to drink before you do not recognize your daughters anymore?
Has this "conversation" between u all concluded?
i say.. notwithstanding the debatable fact that Motoko rarely, if ever, subscribed to Biblical teachings.. one must admit that it's in her character's um, sophistry to quote from religious texts.. in appropriate contexts.. as is revealed in the first GitS movie n its sequel..
eg. "..like an elephant in the forest.."
Ergo..the Major's not totally ignorant about the Bible..
Last edited by gkd; 03-13-2009 at 01:48 PM.
That is point we are making
Also, I do not know what point you are trying to make with that quote there. Elephants, as animals, are never mentioned in the Bible (why would they be?)
Someone commented on me getting worked up on looking at the Major's butt. Well looking at the Major's garters and seeing up her dress when she wore the Khaki uniform got me excited.
Yet, watching the episode with the Russian lady kidnapper still managed to get me excited even if the Major was wearing pants.
The Major exposed her chest to an English guard in one episode.
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