Blacks and Public Schooling

[Kawairashii hikari]

From how you're saying this... it almost sounds as if the school could be my school that you speak of...

(I live in maryland and i'm black... >.>)

And if this is my school that you speak of or not, I have something to say.
"What the heck is wrong with these kids?"

How about they're not getting the needed support they are supposed to be getting from their parents? Ever thought about that? And so if their is no support for the child and the child already doesn't care, then they will start to do anything and everything.

"Why aren't they motivated to do well?"

Well most likely because of the people and neighborhood they hang around. The people that most kids like that.... (i know some...) hang around are the worst neighborhoods... people feeding you the negative stuff. Talking bout "Hanigin round the block better than goin to stupid school... you goin to actually try and get a education? Education for suckers.... you can just hang with us son."

I've heard it sooo many times.

"What is wrong with the parents and teachers?"

The parents might be going through a rough time or something. Teachers might be helping but it it's UP TO THE CHILD whether he/she wants to learn or not.

And why did you say nobody mentioned anything about God?? I mean i love God and everything. But people don't always have to mention him... don't you get that? Well obviously not...

I mean I get honor roll every four quarters because I know it's what is expected of me in my house. My school is a very big school... 90% of black, 5% white, 5% other races... and most of those black kids, including my friends have lower GPA's than me. Not saying that they don't try. Sometimes they do try... but other times they don't because it's not 'expected' for them to get honor roll in their houses. Which is a sad thing... because I know people and they could do so much better than what they do but aren't going to because they're not being pushed hard enough by whoever needs to push them. Whether it be mother, father, grandmother....

And it freakin disgusts me when 30 year guys who still live with their freakin mother and drink and smoke all day try to get young kids that are tryna make something with their life get discouraged and run away from school, unlike what they did stay home. Or anybody for that matter. I mean, what did our people back in the day fight for then if we not gonna get what they made possible for us to have?

My rant is over... sorry for the long reply but he got me a little mad. ^^

[Sanosuke23]

Let it be known, this is the thread in which Mavericker lets slip he's really a sleeper agent for Stormfront.

It's not a "black" thing. If anything, it's an "urban" thing. The mentality is you're going to strike it big in sports or the entertainment industry, so school takes a backseat. Several kids in my HS dropped out because they were making several thousand dollars tax-free a week dealing. Why get a diploma when you can live in rent-controlled public housing and own a home at the same time?

Then of course you have the kids that just, instead of working at it even if it isn't much work, they just say "eff school, it's too hard I give up" and show up solely to talk to friends. There's several reasons for this, some justified if misguided(depression, conflict at home) and some that aren't(overall poor work ethic, lack of discipline). Regardless of the reason, the end result is the same. It's sad, but nobody will ever be able to address them all.

Before anyone asks, I went to school in Spanish Harlem. The student body was mainly black and hispanic. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was the only white kid there.

[Amray The II]

Maverick your a bit looking like a clown.

These people are catching on to you Mavericker.

My rant is over... sorry for the long reply but he got me a little mad. ^^

Yep, that's our Mavericker. It's what he is here to do, madam.

Seriously though, the colour of ones skin is nothing to do with how well one works in school and does not affect the outcome of them or their grades whatsoever. If anything it is how the individual was raised and the environment in which they have grown up in. Even that is sometimes not even the case. This apply's to both black and white people. Saying things such as "Black-only schooling is a bad idea" is baseless and pathetic. I have some close black friends, raised in the same atmosphere and attended the same school as I, their grades were amazing. In fact they were better than mine! Yes, there were some black people in other years that were idiots..but there were just as many white idiots in them classes too.

Black-only schooling, white-only schooling, it matters not how you look at them they are still the same. It is all up to the individual if they choose to learn or mis-behave, and only up to them. Black, white, green, spiniard, asian, jew, sadist, martian ..it does not matter, it is only up to them how they act.

What you stated was wrong and had little logic. You said that some passed, well there you have it! They can do it if they want to, it is just up to them if they want to pull their fingers out their backsides and learn. But saying that all black students are disaster children that cannot learn in a school when put together is just stupid and somewhat racist.

My point: Their colour has 'nothing' to do with their learning!

[Diocletian]

I'm not racist.I'm just basing stuff on demographics.My small city has had 18 murders already.I blame it on the East Side.

Slave Mentality?They don't have slave mentalities.They can succeed in many fields.I hate to sound like one of those guys who thinks Blacks are good at sports,but they are.How is that a bad thing?Generalization,yes,but awesome,yes.

[Divinity]

Let it be known, this is the thread in which Mavericker lets slip he's really a sleeper agent for Stormfront.

It's not a "black" thing. If anything, it's an "urban" thing. The mentality is you're going to strike it big in sports or the entertainment industry, so school takes a backseat. Several kids in my HS dropped out because they were making several thousand dollars tax-free a week dealing. Why get a diploma when you can live in rent-controlled public housing and own a home at the same time?

Then of course you have the kids that just, instead of working at it even if it isn't much work, they just say "eff school, it's too hard I give up" and show up solely to talk to friends. There's several reasons for this, some justified if misguided(depression, conflict at home) and some that aren't(overall poor work ethic, lack of discipline). Regardless of the reason, the end result is the same. It's sad, but nobody will ever be able to address them all.

Before anyone asks, I went to school in Spanish Harlem. The student body was mainly black and hispanic. In fact, I'm pretty sure I was the only white kid there.

Haha, I figured out his disguise in the first five minutes.

It's true that most disillusioned kids think they can have an "easy way out" by selling illegal products to make 10 times as much as they would be making taking a normal, minimum-wage "teen job," or becoming the "next big rapper" (I'm not gonna lie, one time I was out to be the next big Beyonce, but it just didn't work out ;/). It's sad, because that's really what the outside cheerleaders (media, music<--which is one of the most powerful) pushes them to be, by harping on those examples instead of other good "urban" accomplishments they could follow in the steps of. But the bad image sells, and people buy it...


Ten points for Sanosuke.

[Inferno Alchemist]

Whats being black got to do with their poor grades? Anyone can get poor grades.

[Mayonnaise-Senpai]

I know what you're getting at. Blacks kids are usually the ones in my school always not really doing so well in school. I'm Black and I do just fine in school. I get A's and B's every school year. That's Honor Roll material. Even though I don't get striaght A's so I can be on High Honors, I still do very well. I see Black kids in my school always slacking off and always thinking school is like a prison to them, so they goof off and ruin it for the rest of us.
I'm not sure where they get this 'slave mentallity' from but it's obviously shows that they don't want to be in school.

[Amray The II]

Some white people are bad in school, some black people are bad in school. Colour takes no toll in this. Just like some boys are good at playing games, and some girls are good at playing games. It's all to do with individual personality and experience.

I even met a black person on Xbox Live that was good at games too. He was awesome at Halo 3 and kept saying "Let me show you that I am a N----r. "I'll show you that I'm a N----r..". He proved his point, and he was a great player. Lucky he was on my team.

[Perpetual Specter]

Although it's been stated, I have to agree. Some kids aren't encouraged enough by others to do their best, some have financial issues, some have family problems, and some are just that way by choice for whatever reason. It doesn't apply to any certain race, gender, or religion. I know plenty of black(and all other races) kids who perform just outstanding academically here. The point, Mavericker, is that in the end, it's the choice of each individual person whether to succeed or not, even if it may be influenced by other people or events. I must admit I blame media icons for these kind of things occasionally though--no offense to anyone.

[Eris]

Whats being black got to do with their poor grades? Anyone can get poor grades.

It has largely to do with wealth and expectation. Poor people do worse in society in general. There's more black people in prison than white people. That doesn't mean that black people are more likely to become criminals because they're black, it means that black people are more likely to become criminals because they are generally less wealthy. This is an issue with society, not with race.

I also mentioned expectations: If you don't expect to succeed (because your parent's didn't succeed and/or your friends don't succeed), then you're not even going to try. This applies both to students and teachers.

[Mavericker]

It has largely to do with wealth and expectation. Poor people do worse in society in general. There's more black people in prison than white people. That doesn't mean that black people are more likely to become criminals because they're black, it means that black people are more likely to become criminals because they are generally less wealthy. This is an issue with society, not with race.

I also mentioned expectations: If you don't expect to succeed (because your parent's didn't succeed and/or your friends don't succeed), then you're not even going to try. This applies both to students and teachers.

More blacks in jail than whites? No it just seems that way-the media blows things out of proportion.

Also, the mentality of the students has to change-they have this "no-nothing" mentally and they get in from thier parents-if the parents aren't around to support them, what are the kids going to do?

They ought to open up more big brother/big sister programs in these areas to help these kids.

[XdreamzX]

More blacks in jail than whites? No it just seems that way-the media blows things out of proportion.

Also, the mentality of the students has to change-they have this "no-nothing" mentally and they get in from thier parents-if the parents aren't around to support them, what are the kids going to do?

They ought to open up more big brother/big sister programs in these areas to help these kids.

Maverick you are again wrong.....yes i am black and i know tht yea more blacks ARE in jail than white people beacause most of them were trying to provide food, clothes, and shelter for them and their families but ended up getting caught up in "The Game"

[Mavericker]

Maverick you are again wrong.....yes i am black and i know tht yea more blacks ARE in jail than white people beacause most of them were trying to provide food, clothes, and shelter for them and their families but ended up getting caught up in "The Game"

You got stats to back that up?

[XdreamzX]

what i need stats fo? and what point am i proving? just sthu

[Eris]

More blacks in jail than whites? No it just seems that way-the media blows things out of proportion.

Also, the mentality of the students has to change-they have this "no-nothing" mentally and they get in from thier parents-if the parents aren't around to support them, what are the kids going to do?

They ought to open up more big brother/big sister programs in these areas to help these kids.

First, keep in mind that the black demographic is roughly 12% in the US. Then you'd expect 12% of the inmates to be black, right? No, it's 16%. That's a 30% over-representation. Even more disturbingly, 32% of all black men will at least once spend time in prison during their lifetime, while only 6% of all white men will ever spend time in prison.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics.

[Wio]

What's wrong with the ghetto community? Too many fathers bail out.
It's really that simple.

The father is a very important part of the family, a father shows his son what it means to be a real man: to have a job, to take care of his wife and children, and to be a good citizen.
When a child doesn't have a father as a role model, they often join gangs and become drug dealers. Of course that's after knocking up a few girls (making more fatherless homes) and dropping out of school.

Don't give me any bullshit about "exceptions" because I know there are some, I'm obviously speaking generally. The "black" schools suck because few value education--because it's not needed to sell drugs. Why sell drugs? Because they can make lots of money. They don't care about having a legitimate job because they don't have a legitimate father.

[Sanosuke23]

These are strange days indeed when I find myself wholeheartedly agreeing with Wio.

Well, the legitimate job -> legitimate father sounds like a bit of an overreach, but I can see how that can be argued.

[Lavos]

I think the biggest problems with these kids is that they lack God in their lives. They also lack a lot of GITS:SAC and pants. If these kids could only be forced to wear pants, forced to accept God (or Satan, cause lets be fair) and forced them to what everything GITS (from the majors tacky leotard to her skin tight body suit) then they too may have the capability to come rant on AF about... er I mean get through school. These kids just need to start putting pants on one leg at a time.

[wolfgirl90]

I just saw that PBS documentary on Boushall Middle School. Wow...that brought back a lot of memories of my time in middle school. I did not attend Boushall Middle. I attended another school in Richmond, Va called Thompson Middle School. And almost everyone in Richmond will tell you that Thompson, like Boushall, had the worst reputation in the city. There were fights every day, a constant police presence in the school (we did not have metal detectors but they did use wands on us) and everyday there was some kind of disturbance in the hallway, a classroom, the cafeteria, ANYWHERE!!!. Some students even did drugs in the bathroom (now I know what marijuana smells like). Despite of of this, I focused on my studies and I was constantly on the honor/scholar roll. In the eighth grade, I actually did everything that I can could to avoid attending my zone high schools, Huguenot High and George Wythe High School, which did have very good reputations either. I applied for and was accepted into an alternative, college prep high school where I stayed for two years before moving to the suburbs. However, my new school, Meadowbrook High, was still mostly black (actually, Hispanics made up the majority) , as parents moved to this neighborhood to send their kids to the good county school while still being close to the city. Despite being in a county school, the behavior of the students did not change and my school had the reputation of being "bad" (my school was the only high school in the county where minorities were the majority).

My point? I have lived in the city for most of my life and have seen the behavior that some would find "typical" in an urban school. However, I also went to a suburban school and saw the same behavior, albeit a little more controlled and managed than in the city. I have seen all races of students act out of control in a classroom, not just black students, even at schools where blacks were the majority. At the same time, I have seen students who have gotten straight A's and entered the International Baccalaureate Program and they were not all white. The salutatorian of my graduating class was black and she was actually the loudest and most talkative person I have ever met!!

What I have noticed is that if a student is in middle school and/or high school, they have proven that they care about their education, even if its only a little bit (they would not have made it of they really didn't care). However, there are other factors that come into play that cause them to care about something else, something more important. Things like money, a divorce in the family, someone being sick, someone dying, and being in a gang are a just few things I have heard from students that I have mentored and tutored that they believe are either much more important than their studies or they believe that no one else cares about their situation, leading them to not care about what teachers have to say. Most of them say that if they were able to get help, they would, which is why I choose to be a mentor to my peers and to younger students.

I am tired of people saying that students failing in school is a part of "black culture" or is a "black thing" (I am black, so I know what I am talking about). I am tired of people saying that it is merely the student or the teacher that is responsible their behavior, as there are so many more reasons why a student would act up or choose to fail.

So, that's it. I would say more but I am tired now. Just as a note (to a person we all know and love *cough*):
As you know, I am black. I graduated with honors from my high school and earned an Advanced Studies Diploma with a Governor's Seal. And I did it all without GITS and being Christian (I am Wiccan).

[Wio]

Well, the legitimate job -> legitimate father sounds like a bit of an overreach, but I can see how that can be argued.

How is it an overreach? Good fathers are responsible, and responsible people tend to earn their bread honestly.

Maverick you are again wrong.....yes i am black and i know tht yea more blacks ARE in jail than white people beacause most of them were trying to provide food, clothes, and shelter for them and their families but ended up getting caught up in "The Game"

"The Game"? What kind of bull clinton is that? They're in jail because they decided to drop out, join a gang, and sell drugs. They're in jail because they're criminals that hurt society. I've seen successful white people and successful black people. They don't go to jail for trying to support their families, because they do it legally. They don't come up with excuses to do criminal stuff either.

[███]

I agree with Mavericker.

What would be the point of them going to school anyway? 100 percent of black people go to jail. It's a proven statistic.

Also any black man that you see driving a car is a thief, no black man could ever own his own car.

[Eris]

How is it an overreach? Good fathers are responsible, and responsible people tend to earn their bread honestly.

How so? A thought experiment is in order, what is more responsible: To earn your bread dishonestly, or let your family starve?

[Amray The II]

True, their are more black people in United States jails than their are white people, that is not often because "they are black bro". It's because of the environment in which they were raised in. If a young black youth was to grow up in a "hood" where they were surrounded by drug addicts, drug sellers, shootings, murders, rapes and drive-by's then obviously they will grow up thinking all these events are normal. Just like if a child is not desciplined for their bad doings they often grow up rude, stubborn, and think they can get away with murder. Same story.

I grew up in a quiet area with nice people and none criminal activity and have learnt what is bad and what is not through Television, my parents, and school. Therefore I have grown up avoiding law breaking and abide by the rules. But if I were brought up in a place where anything goes and had reported criminal activity everyday the chances are that I would probably be in jail now with a wife named Brian.

[XdreamzX]

I just saw that PBS documentary on Boushall Middle School. Wow...that brought back a lot of memories of my time in middle school. I did not attend Boushall Middle. I attended another school in Richmond, Va called Thompson Middle School. And almost everyone in Richmond will tell you that Thompson, like Boushall, had the worst reputation in the city. There were fights every day, a constant police presence in the school (we did not have metal detectors but they did use wands on us) and everyday there was some kind of disturbance in the hallway, a classroom, the cafeteria, ANYWHERE!!!. Some students even did drugs in the bathroom (now I know what marijuana smells like). Despite of of this, I focused on my studies and I was constantly on the honor/scholar roll. In the eighth grade, I actually did everything that I can could to avoid attending my zone high schools, Huguenot High and George Wythe High School, which did have very good reputations either. I applied for and was accepted into an alternative, college prep high school where I stayed for two years before moving to the suburbs. However, my new school, Meadowbrook High, was still mostly black (actually, Hispanics made up the majority) , as parents moved to this neighborhood to send their kids to the good county school while still being close to the city. Despite being in a county school, the behavior of the students did not change and my school had the reputation of being "bad" (my school was the only high school in the county where minorities were the majority).

My point? I have lived in the city for most of my life and have seen the behavior that some would find "typical" in an urban school. However, I also went to a suburban school and saw the same behavior, albeit a little more controlled and managed than in the city. I have seen all races of students act out of control in a classroom, not just black students, even at schools where blacks were the majority. At the same time, I have seen students who have gotten straight A's and entered the International Baccalaureate Program and they were not all white. The salutatorian of my graduating class was black and she was actually the loudest and most talkative person I have ever met!!

What I have noticed is that if a student is in middle school and/or high school, they have proven that they care about their education, even if its only a little bit (they would not have made it of they really didn't care). However, there are other factors that come into play that cause them to care about something else, something more important. Things like money, a divorce in the family, someone being sick, someone dying, and being in a gang are a just few things I have heard from students that I have mentored and tutored that they believe are either much more important than their studies or they believe that no one else cares about their situation, leading them to not care about what teachers have to say. Most of them say that if they were able to get help, they would, which is why I choose to be a mentor to my peers and to younger students.

I am tired of people saying that students failing in school is a part of "black culture" or is a "black thing" (I am black, so I know what I am talking about). I am tired of people saying that it is merely the student or the teacher that is responsible their behavior, as there are so many more reasons why a student would act up or choose to fail.

So, that's it. I would say more but I am tired now. Just as a note (to a person we all know and love *cough*):
As you know, I am black. I graduated with honors from my high school and earned an Advanced Studies Diploma with a Governor's Seal. And I did it all without GITS and being Christian (I am Wiccan).

props man......I Went to

Boushall in 6th grade
Boushall and Lucille in 7th
Thompson in 8th(nothing has changed)

i give you rep for going to the same run down school

[wolfgirl90]

I agree with Mavericker.

What would be the point of them going to school anyway? 100 percent of black people go to jail. It's a proven statistic.

Also any black man that you see driving a car is a thief, no black man could ever own his own car.

Please, PLEASE, tell me that what you said is just some cruel, sick joke that you are trying to tell!! Because its not funny!! AT ALL!!!

What's the point of sending them to school? So that they will get an education!! Are you trying to say that black people have nothing to look forward to except JAIL?! Are you trying to say that if a student does not behave or do well in a class that they need to be kicked out of school and not receive any help from someone?! And if anyone EVER accused my father of being a thief based solely on the color of his skin, I would drop kick the teeth out of their mouth!!

Its that kind of horrible mentality that says that some kids deserve an education while others should be kicked out of school when its obvious that they need help that causes those very kids to give up on their education and believe that no one cares about them. This only makes the situation worse!! If you know that someone is misbehaving because of something that is going on at home (since you apparently know that every black person is going to go to jail for some reason), why don't you try and do something about it instead of calmly analyzing the situation from afar?


Its not just an urban thing. The middle school that I went to was mostly black, had kids that fought all the time and a bunch of other things that you could imagine. However, the school was not in the heart of Richmond. It was in the suburbs!! In fact, both Boushall and Thompson, the schools that have the worst reputation in the city, were EXTREMELY close to the county line, less than two blocks or so, but they are still part of the city school system. It was not because these schools were mostly black (I actually hate using the term "black" school, as it perpetuates the notion that one cannot get a good education from a historically black school). It was because some of the students acted bad and this was all everyone heard about (or chose to hear about) the school while at the same time, did not do a damn thing to help change the schools and the life of the students. The schools have actually calmed down significantly but this took many years to do. My middle school was unaccredited for many years and it did not become accredited until the year my class left for high school (2004). It has been accredited ever since.

The kids have something else going that causes them to act that way. Again, if they really, really did not care about their education, they would not have made to middle school and high school (the standardized tests would have made sure to that). There is always something deeper going on in a students mind that causes them to act that way. Its not nearly as simple as you may think.