No, what you are describing is a conjecture or possibly a hypothesis.
I sincerely urge you to do some fact checking before you start pushing your misunderstandings as truth.
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No, what you are describing is a conjecture or possibly a hypothesis.
I sincerely urge you to do some fact checking before you start pushing your misunderstandings as truth.
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I would be willing to bet that you believe the theory of gravity.. despite what you may believe this almost universally accepted theory falls in the same category as evolution and the big bang; Despite whatever your local reverend may say..
And everyone else as well..
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If you think about it there is no such thing as nothing.
When you think of nothing you either think of white space or eternal darkness.
Well arn't those something?
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We do not know the 'true' definition of "nothing" because if we didn't exist, then we would have no conciousness, thus we would not be able to define "nothing" or see "nothing." We imagine non-existence and unconciousness, but we cannot experience "nothing" in the way the topic has asked.Originally Posted by Kazerra
My conclusion: There is such as "nothing": humanity has yet to witness and define "nothing." We may never be able to.
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No Food?!?
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I'm not Roman Catholic. Agnostic.
If they had proof of the Big Bang, the church would be out the window by now.
The Theory of Gravity is in question. It doesn't matter if it's universally accepted, that's just belief, and science doesn't revolve around belief. It revolves around fact.
For instance, many textbooks claim that the moon revolves around the Earth. This is universally accepted, is it not?
However, if the Theory of Gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is more powerful than the Earth's gravitational force on the moon, and therefore, the moon should be revolving around the sun, not the Earth.
[see here for more details]
But, we have examined the moon very closely and it indeed revolves around the Earth. The theory of Gravity has holes, because it has not been entirely proven.
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I don't know, god or something like that.
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There's a simple reason that the sun doesn't rip the moon away from the Earth. The gravitational force is directly related to the masses of the two (or more, but we'll keep it simpler for now) objects in question, yes, but the force is also inversely proprtional to the distance (the distance squared actually, if I remember right [EDIT: I did.]) between the two objects. So even though the sun has a much greater mass, than the Earth, the moon orbits the Earth because it is much nearer.
I will add the equation as soon as I find it - my physics book is in the other room right now.
[EDIT] Here's the simpler equation to describe approximately circular orbits. It's pretty much the same as Newton's equation for any circular motion, but incorporating the objects' masses and seperation distance (as the theory of gravity dictates).
{F = ((G)(M)(m)(v^2))/(R^2)} where F = gravitational force, G = the universal gravitational constant (=6.673x10^(-11)), M and m = the objects' respective masses, v^2 represents the velocity squared, and R^2 is the objects' seperation distance squared.
The only was you could ever say the theory of gravity isn't accurate is if you were using some of the older, simpler equations (like the one I used above) to try to predict some of the more eccentric orbits. The theory of gravity, as it is, is sound.
Try again.
[EDIT] Reading up a bit, I didn't find "the Theory of Gravity" but, rather, the "Law of Universal Gravitation," implying that one might not have to defend the definition of a scientific theory to defend gravity. A law is something that, over time, observed to be true. The only deduction(s) would be mathematical.
As for the TOPIC of the thread, we would not see anything, not even darkness. The universe would either be zero dimensional (like a geometric point) or simply cease to exist. Our sensory organs (and brains processing the signals/nerve impulses from them) would not be able to cope with such a radical change in environment, not to mention we'd be long dead seeing as we're three dimensional (four, if you consider time) creatures. We can contemplate nothing, but we can't really observe or experience it (as Leorina said, though it can be defined abstractly).
God (as in any deity) would also not exist, regardless of it's state now. If God is there now, then it will not be in "nothing," as it is something. If God is a social doctrine, then it will not exist as the societies may not exist. If it is a thought in one's mind, then God will be gone as one may not think absent the necessary tissues and organs, which are invariably composed of matter, and so won't exist. This is not to (any) challenge religion; it is merely what the abstract concept of nothing implies would be (or wouldn't).
(The only way any god/deity would still exist were if that god were actually defined as the state of existence itself. I don't know of any religion with such a definition for any deity, but that doesn't mean there isn't such a belief system. If there is, would someone be kind enough to let me know what it is called? I'd really appreciate it...)
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I didn't even look at the link to begin with, but I must say it was quite amusing. Whoever wrote that did a pretty good job mocking "arguments" in favor of Intelligent Design, creation-science, and the like.
I just jumped at akari_aurion based on stuff I knew (mostly) off the top of my head, since I was so annoyed somebody could say something so silly.
I'd like to add that, if, as akari_aurion believes, the sun has more pull on near-earth bodies, jumping off a cliff should cause one to fall towards the sun and not back towards Earth. See, even if one were silly enough (even at 13 years old) to believe that site to be serious and then credible, the idea could be rendered ridiculous with a 'thought experiment.'
Last edited by TheAsterisk!; 01-04-2008 at 03:30 PM. Reason: I will beat this to DEATH.
an unending vaccuum, just like the places of space that have yet to be filled with matter.
Unless no laws of physics and time existed at which point someone could create themself and then create laws of physics afterwards.
ok i dont get it...
if by nothing you mean everything we see and are used to on earth and around earth and in the milky way galaxy then yes there would be tons more planets and giant rocks and giant balls of ice flying around space...
if you do mean absolutely nothing anywhere no universe ..then wtf.. your basically asking wot if
an orange was an apple but that apple was really an orange... theres your answer the orange is an orange(if theres nothing than theres nothing)... so if nothing existed, of course nothing exists nothing is there...
i think... but then HowTF did our galaxy get here? how did we get here? OH DANG!! then IM WROng if nothing exists something has to exist to make something nothing!? or maybe if there was nothing something might exist without anything or anyone knowing thus making basically non existant since no one is acknowledging it... but then that means if theres nothing theres something ....
wot?
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With out luck, stupid questions would still exist.
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Well, it's like saying, "Over there is an apple. What is over there(same direction as the apple)". The answer would simply be the apple. If nothing existed, then nothing would exist. In this universe, there is something everywhere, but if nothing existed, no atoms, gods(depending on your religion), planets, galaxies, universes, and the other things that we haven't discovered yet(if there is something there), then nothing would exist. Take a piece of paper. Imagen that it is existence itself. Then throw it out. There we go. Now nothing exists.
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If nothing existed it would be a white galaxy, but then again nothing would be white it would be invisable, but how would it be invisable if nothing existed? The simple explanation is that it couldnt be anything because we wouldnt be there to see so right?
When it's all darkness, then what could possibly exist?! ..well, except for darkness, and black lol
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