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    I was just wondering if anyone here will/can help me learn Japanese. I want to move to Japan once I am out of school and I love everything about Japan. I want to learn so bad. Please help! If you don't, I understand.
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    No sry but if any one does help u plz help me thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
    I was just wondering if anyone here will/can help me learn Japanese. I want to move to Japan once I am out of school and I love everything about Japan. I want to learn so bad. Please help! If you don't, I understand.
    I hope you do move there, so I can see the crushed look on your face when you realize it's not the magical holy land like MegaTokyo lets you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagat View Post
    I hope you do move there, so I can see the crushed look on your face when you realize it's not the magical holy land like MegaTokyo lets you think.
    Now that was bad.

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    Well hard, but kinda true...i think...
    Sure for an Otaku is must be like wonderland, if you have the money,
    but in most other aspects it is pretty much like every other country with rules, and authorities and people you may dislike, except the fact, that the number of Japanese people is extraordinary high for some reason :P

    As for learning Japanese, i vaguely remember saying pooky she wanted to establish some kind of learners thread...But afaik she's busy for some more days, maybe she comes back to this (or i'll ask her).

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    if you really want to learn you shuld fork up the money to pay for a tutor. otherwise, you culd just try, and i really mean try, to pick up on fansubbed anime. but this might lead you astray cause sometimes fan subs also get things wrong but i guess you can be pretty sure ul get things rite probably 80-90% of the time.^^

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    I would be careful though, since fansubs are not always good, and even if you have a well known group subbing, you can't be sure they are correct.

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    I guess I could throw out a couple suggestions. Basically you have two options... take classes or learn Japanese on your own:

    Taking Classes:

    I would say that taking classes is a good route to go because it is easier to stay motivated when you are being tested over material… with that being said though your ability to learn will largely depend on the teacher and the other students in the class.

    My experience with high school Japanese classes was fairly bad, as there were numerous students who thought they’d learn Japanese but didn’t really have any motivation to actually do it and the teacher felt obliged to slow down the entire class until those slackers caught up (we spent most of a semester on the Hiragana chart, something that should really take most people no more than a month to learn). With that being said, again it all depends on the teacher and the class to your experience with high school classes.

    Another route you could go is looking into Japanese classes offered by a local community college which are usually fairly cheap (or sometimes even free in some places if you are an upper classman in high school). But, expect these classes to be fairly intense as they are basically college level classes (most will expect you to learn the basic hiragana alphabet within 1-2 weeks)… if you are seriously motivated to learn Japanese this might be one of your best bets.

    Learning on Your Own:

    This is another viable option but your success is going to be largely based on whether you actually take the time to learn; somebody who is able to commit a reasonable chunk of every day or a reasonable amount of days in the week could in fact teach themselves Japanese at a reasonable pace if they are committed. Also giving yourself small tests to practice your abilities is a really good strategy, serving as a substitute for assignments or tests you might receive if you were taking a class.

    As far as text books, it is imperative that you get one that uses actual hiragana and probably Kanji as well to teach you Japanese… from my experience most romaji based books should be avoided as they aren’t very effective at teaching the Japanese language (if the book adds romaji readings below Japanese text that is fine but don’t get a book that was printed using entirely the English alphabet… and if it does have romaji readings don’t rely on them). I would also suggest browsing the book as well as I have encountered some books which aren’t very good for self learning as they seem to rely heavily on a teacher going over a lesson in class before you can actually truly learn from it (I had this problem trying to go back and learn from the Nakama series of textbooks which I used when I took Japanese at a community college in high school). So far I’ve been refreshing my Japanese using Elementary Japanese Volume One by Yoko Hasegawa, published by Tuttle ISBN: 0-8048-3504-7, it is very good at covering material to actually teach you without need of a teacher and it moves at a very good pace.

    Helpful Suggestions:

    First, and I can’t stress this enough, it is imperative that you learn the hiragana chart as quickly as possible and don’t rely on romaji; I have heard of some people learning a fair amount of Japanese using romaji… but you will never be able to read actual Japanese if you can’t even read hiragana plus relying on romaji tends to force you to unlearn some stuff when you do in fact learn true hiragana (because romaji isn’t exactly standardized and sometimes doesn’t do a good job at expressing long sounds). As I said before even if you are learning hiragana at a very slow pace it shouldn’t take you more than a month to learn the entire thing… if it is taking longer you either aren’t learning it effectively or you really aren’t spending enough time studying Japanese.

    Second, for learning Kanji, when you reach that level which really shouldn’t be long after finishing the hiragana chart, I would highly suggest flash cards… either hand made or purchased (Tuttle publishes some good sets of them). Most people who I have talked to have found flash cards to be the easiest way to quiz yourself on Kanji… although learning to write them as well is also important (stroke order is not vital… although learning it does tend to make your Kanji look better and helps to keep the sizes of them uniform).

    Finally, I would not suggest trying to learn through fan subs as that will be immensely difficult given that Japanese has lots of grammar which isn’t going to be easily grasped by simply reading a translation of what people are saying… not to mention translations are very often altered slightly to make sense or sound more fluid to an English reader so sometimes the translation isn’t an exact representation of what is actually being said. Fan subs, and watching anime in Japanese with no subtitles can be a good way to test yourself though, once you’ve learned some of the language, and see if you can actually figure out parts of what is being said without having to look at a translation.

    Reference Materials:

    Textbooks (I really haven’t had much experience with a wide array of text books so I’ll just suggest the one I mentioned before… although if you are taking a class you should definitely get that one):[/COLOR]
    Elementary Japanese Volume One by Yoko Hasegawa; published by Tuttle;
    ISBN 0-8048-3504-7

    Kenji
    Tuttle makes some good flash cards although you could also get:
    Kanji & Kana Revised Edition by Wolfgang Hadamitzky & Mark Spahn; published by Tuttle
    And make your own flash cards from it.

    Dictionaries (Really only one that I can suggest as it came highly suggested by one of my Japanese teachers although it certainly isn’t mandatory until after your done with textbooks… also Japan has some really good electronic dictionaries that you can import but they are expensive and again not imperative until you aren’t relying on textbooks)

    The New Nelson Japanese-English Character Dictionary by John H. Haig; published by Tuttle; ISBN 0-8048-2036-8

    Grammar (These are definitely not needed until you are done learning from at least one textbook but these two are really awesome)

    A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui; published by Japan Times; ISBN 4-7890-0454-6

    A Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui; published by Japan Times; ISBN 4-7890-0775-8

    Final Thoughts:

    I guess that covers at least some of the basics of what you need to learn Japanese if you have more questions you can always PM me or IM me and I’ll try to help you as best I can, I will admit though that my Japanese skills certainly aren’t amazing but I have had a fair amount of experience learning it to know some of the more and less effective ways to approach it… so I’ll try to respond as best I can.
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    and i suggest you choose a font color other than black, since some people
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    I would also say that it is very important that you learn pronuciation of the hiragana and language in general from a native speaker. Many text books have a CD or tape that has this, but it is very important to learn it correctly the first time.

    My class used the nakama series by hatasa, hatasa, makino. It and the workbook come with a CD, but I agree with previous statements to learn hiragana first. The problem with romanji is frequently people pronounce the words as they would English since it uses English letters and, as also stated previously, is not standardized. If you truly want to learn Japanese, romanji is not the way to go.

    The foundation you get is the most important, so even if that means you only take a year of it and then try it solo it would be worth it so long as you have a good teacher. But pronuciation is important as is voice inflection, so it is imperative (in my opinion) that you hear native Japanese speakers pronouncing what you are trying to read and imitating them. After all, that's how you learned your own mother language.
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    @ the black text. I thought I went blind for a second there.

    About learning Japanese, I can only give suggestions based on how I learned the limited Japanese that I can read/write now:

    a. Learn to write it: The kanas (hiragana and katakana), then the Kanji. It's fairly easy to find a good book about how to write those. I'm sure you can find them in a major bookstore.

    b. Learn the pronunciation: This wasn't hard for me since our language is phonetically similar to Japanese. I believe those who have English as their native language will find it harder to pronounce the words properly though.

    c. Learn the basics: Like how the verbs and nouns are put together to form a sentence, stuff like that. If you figure it out, learning under a tutor or via watching tutorials/videos will make sense later on.

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    My teaching skills suck some serious a**, But I will tell you that you should learn Hiragana and Katakana first, then work on Kanji. The vocabulary will come as you learn more of the writing system. Some books on grammar would help massively. And lastly, expose yourself to as much japanese as possible, be it through music, anime, manga, or anything.
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    Thanks for the advice 氷の動物. I will do .....but I will still wait for some help here as well. Thank you. I also find the Japanese Samurai very interesting if you would pm me and tell me a little about them I would be grateful.(only if you know some things about them.)
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    im trying to learn my self by usuing fansubs and checking online hey thats just me though lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
    I was just wondering if anyone here will/can help me learn Japanese. I want to move to Japan once I am out of school and I love everything about Japan. I want to learn so bad. Please help! If you don't, I understand.


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    You can also try this site, it a japanese to english dictionary. Its great, you can just move your mouse over to a japanese word, and it will translate it for you in a small pop-up besides the word. http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/
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    Quote Originally Posted by [unlimited] View Post
    You can also try this site, it a japanese to english dictionary. Its great, you can just move your mouse over to a japanese word, and it will translate it for you in a small pop-up besides the word. http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/
    thank you for this!

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    Some Japanese >> English dictionary sites doesn't really translate sentences, I can help you LOL. But I think just a little d=

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    0.o ..
    jap . uu have to learn the basics first . and the characters .
    like me . i learn the basic . den after upgraded untill i can watch death note movie without eng subtitle .

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    well my method will be watching an anime first without subtitle and then watch again with the subs on although it takes alot of time to do so.well another method is to listen to a song and figure out what it is about. despite how it looks it's kinda effective.just my personal opinion




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    I'm learning right now, for me the easiest route to go is romaji first, then to like kanji and the others.
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    Well, I would take up lessons for learning that language, before you go to Japan that is. Learning it from a CD or internet sites can be helpful, but nothing beats an actual lesson from someone who is there to help you.
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