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    The "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is ridiculously overused. It doesn't apply to a debate like this. We were asked to share our thoughts.

    I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Member Name
    The "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is ridiculously overused. It doesn't apply to a debate like this. We were asked to share our thoughts.

    I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!
    I honestly don't see how it hurts artistic integrity. People have been making art out of nude people since the dawn of time. College art students still do that class where they sketch the nude man/woman sitting in front of them (avoid that class at all costs!!!), porn (despite arguements to the contrary, hentai is a type of porn people), echi (which no one should ever have a problem with), etc. Scuptures, paintings, sketches, videos, I don't see how appling this to moving pictures affects artistic integrity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Member Name
    I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!
    What you're forgetting is something that I also forget. This is based on your tastes. In your eyes, hentai is a disgrace to art. To me, it is not. It is an experimentation factor, and sometimes a tribute to other artists. Also, it seems your basing your opinion off of the run of the mill hentai on the net. I actually look for the stuff, I've seen the cream (no pun intended, I swear) of the crop. In fact, I could easily find you a fine example of quality hentai artwork that does not show any naughty bits.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Masali
    What you're forgetting is something that I also forget. This is based on your tastes. In your eyes, hentai is a disgrace to art. To me, it is not. It is an experimentation factor, and sometimes a tribute to other artists. Also, it seems your basing your opinion off of the run of the mill hentai on the net. I actually look for the stuff, I've seen the cream (no pun intended, I swear) of the crop. In fact, I could easily find you a fine example of quality hentai artwork that does not show any naughty bits.



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    I agree. Not all hentai even HAS any nudity or sex in it... it just implies. Especially a lot of yaoi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus
    I honestly don't see how it hurts artistic integrity. People have been making art out of nude people since the dawn of time. College art students still do that class where they sketch the nude man/woman sitting in front of them (avoid that class at all costs!!!), porn (despite arguements to the contrary, hentai is a type of porn people), echi (which no one should ever have a problem with), etc. Scuptures, paintings, sketches, videos, I don't see how appling this to moving pictures affects artistic integrity.
    Nudity isn't hurting anything. It's taking existing characters and putting them into pornographic situations that they would never be in, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about any time they're taking Shinji and Asuka and writing stories, drawing pictures, or whatever, where they have some sexual encounter. It's unnecessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Member Name
    Nudity isn't hurting anything. It's taking existing characters and putting them into pornographic situations that they would never be in, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about any time they're taking Shinji and Asuka and writing stories, drawing pictures, or whatever, where they have some sexual encounter. It's unnecessary.
    Yes, and I feel the same way. However, you can't use that type of hentai to form biases against all of it. Like the 2 users above you noted, some hentai has no sex at all. Some has very tasteful and emotional sex that isn't sex at all, it's passionate lovemaking. Try to keep an open mind, yeah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus
    Yes, and I feel the same way. However, you can't use that type of hentai to form biases against all of it. Like the 2 users above you noted, some hentai has no sex at all. Some has very tasteful and emotional sex that isn't sex at all, it's passionate lovemaking. Try to keep an open mind, yeah?
    If it isn't sexual, then it shouldn't be considered hentai, any more than any great art that includes nudity can be considered pornography. Hentai is a form of pornography, so if it's not pornographic, it can't be hentai.


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    Well, I have watched a couple of Hentai movies, so don't expect that radical, "I'm better than you because of my preferred morals" crap out of me. Stainless Night is a fine piece of work, for example. There's nothing wrong with a passionate sex scene or good yuri/lesbian scenes, and there have been some great Hentai titles that have done these things well. In fact, I like yuri a lot and I have a couple of movies saved on my computer. However, there are things that I'd NEVER watch in Hentai (or real life, for that matter). I refuse to watch Hentai with tenticle sex, characters "using the bathroom" (so to speak), yaoi, extreme bondage, transvestite/she-male, and sex with a pregnant woman (yuck). Even though I don't like those types of Hentai, I can't stand Rape Hentai. Now THAT'S something I can't tollerate.

    Yet, even with my dislike for some forms of Hentai, I still like it and will continue to download it. So, go ahead and call me a pervert, like I see some jerk-offs doing when a user likes a picture, on this very site, that contains yuri or nudity and they find it find it appealing. I'm not. I appreciate anime and manga art that is beautiful, and there is some great art is some of the Hentai movies I've seen. "ALL Hentai is harmful, ahhhh!" - Bull crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masali
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    No, I was referring to what Capernicus said, that some hentai has no sex at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Troublesome Woman~
    I agree. Not all hentai even HAS any nudity or sex in it... it just implies. Especially a lot of yaoi.
    Actually, yes it does. That is what classifies it as Hentai. "Yaoi" is hentai with homosexual intercourse. If there is not intercourse, but still a homosexual relationship as the focus, it is shounen-ai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ami~chan
    Well, hentai doesn't bother me any more than real-life porn does. It can be well made, or it can be stupid, meaningly and utterly offensive to the industry of filmmaking.

    Too much of anything is bad; I see nothing wrong with watching a little hentai every here and now, but to be obsessed... Well, that's a different story.
    Hentai doesn't strike me as something someone can be seriously obsessed with. Most people probably read/watch/ look at it every once in a while, but not nearly as much as people watch regular porn. Hentai is also more imaginative than regular porn, and can often be better done. Also the people in regular porn often don't show emotion or any expression, very much unlike hentai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackk
    Hentia doesn't strike me as something someone can be seriously obsessed with. Most people probably read/watch/ look at it every once in a while, but not nearly as much as people watch regular porn.
    Man, you would be suprised. I know some people whose interest in hentai is rather unnerving...

    I like hentai, I have no problem with anyone liking hentai, but some people do take their interest too far. The same applies with actual pornography.

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    Okay I enjoy hentai. I read hentai, I watch it, and I incasionally get off on it. Do I always like it? No. The women in a good hentai have all the basic physical attributes of real women, therefore why shouldn't someone be attracted to them. Oh and all you people who say people's girlfriends or boyfriends or whatever wouldn't mind a person looking at real porn over hentai, well that makes no sense whatsoever. WHy would someone prefer someone being attracted to another real person over a fictional one. I mean you can't really be jealous over someone who isn't real. Some people are obsessed with hentai but some people are obsessed with cars, does that mean we should take there keys away from them? Well admittedly it is kinda fun, but also cruel. All things that feel good or make someone happy have a chance of becoming addictive.

    Some hentai like lolicon, bathroom stuff, and rape are quite frankly disturbing but anything with that genre would also be well creepy and in many cases just plain wrong.

    To sum it up. Hentai is okay, some content can make hentai bad, and people are responsible for there own obsessions, the obsession itself is not to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rageling
    To sum it up. Hentai is okay, some content can make hentai bad, and people are responsible for there own obsessions, the obsession itself is not to blame.

    Well said. Well, maybe not in a grammatical sense, but I understand your point.

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    i think that hentai is kinda......cool cause its like another countrys way of pornography.

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    The "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is ridiculously overused. It doesn't apply to a debate like this. We were asked to share our thoughts.
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    I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!

    Whoa!
    On the contrary... Having the right to choose and the option not to watch something I perceive distasteful is a manifestation of my opinions so excuse me if I happen to discuss them here on a discussion board. As a moderator you should know better than to look down on someone’s opinion when it’s “ridiculously overused”. So what if you view it overused? It’s the only weapon we have as consumers against companies who do bad products. Besides I was able to make a reasonable argument with my previous post but you had to focus on one particular phrase that obviously made sense just to base your rebuttal.

    Like I mentioned in my previous post; people with innovative imaginations will always find ways to make something sexually worthwhile. It’s all a matter of taste that makes us accept it or not. I saw many wholesome characters that were not spared by hentai illustrators; Sailormoon, Dragonball, Card Captor Sakura to name some and I was shocked at first to see it. Even video game characters from Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, and Tekken etc were no exemption. My point in mentioning these examples is that even though the characters were put in lewd and shameful situations by some guy, I still purchased the anime and video game.
    Why? It's because I should know better than to be influenced by someone's sick fantasies. To make it simple… I don’t share his taste in entertainment.

    About hurting integrity as a whole…
    Porn stars portraying wholesome and established occupations that children usually wish for when they grow up: fireman, policeman, doctor etc. A lot of people who watched the porn stars in such roles say that it doesn’t hurt the integrity of the occupation nor the institution itself. They know it’s just a fantasy being played out and it’s basically just make believe. Same goes for comedians who make fun of a famous celebrity or politician, it does not hurt any of their integrity whatsoever because it’s all in the context of fun. Even in art; the Mona Lisa has been used in so many publications and cartoons portraying the funny to the insane to even the sexy and disgusting and yet it’s still one of the renowned and sort after piece of art simply because of its integrity and moral soundness it gives to people viewing it. I bet you my G-string that if you ask the people who seen the Mona Lisa if they dislike the painting because it appeared in other media doing “other stuff” they will tell you they don't give a damn about it simply because it has nothing to do with the real Mona Lisa and Leonardo da Vinci PERIOD. So if you follow my point you’ll see even anime characters taken out of their element and put in disturbing and disgraceful acts don’t damage and soil their artistic integrity because you need consider the context of why they are there in the first place. It’s just fan fiction & fan service to a few horny fans that can’t get enough of them made by other artist that have no connection to the original.

    In a nutshell…
    The ones who can really hurt one’s integrity is the person or institution itself. Martha Steward’s integrity was damaged not because of comedians making fun of her nor was she a victim of bad publicity. She did it to herself when she made some illegal transactions that may favor her company (insider trading).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    Whoa!
    On the contrary... Having the right to choose and the option not to watch something I perceive distasteful is a manifestation of my opinions so excuse me if I happen to discuss them here on a discussion board. As a moderator you should know better than to look down on someone’s opinion when it’s “ridiculously overused”. So what if you view it overused? It’s the only weapon we have as consumers against companies who do bad products. Besides I was able to make a reasonable argument with my previous post but you had to focus on one particular phrase that obviously made sense just to base your rebuttal.
    Uh.. Actually, that phrase is simply a copout. It should be obvious to everyone that if you do not like something like that, you don't have to partake in it. However, we have been asked to share our thoughts. So that's what I did. Saying "If you don't like it, don't watch it" is just basically telling me "Although you were asked to share your thoughts, you should sit down and shut up." That's not proper form in this argument at all. Don't go giving me trouble about that.

    I find it just as much an insult to Leonardo DaVinci when I see the Mona Lisa in an ad saying "I'm smiling because I saved big in this sale!" It's not in the context of fun at all. It's taking someone else's art, and using it for your own personal gain. I believe you should respect the art that someone has created. I admit that this isn't a belief shared by everyone, but different opinions are what this thread is all about.

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    The ones who can really hurt one’s integrity is the person or institution itself. Martha Steward’s integrity was damaged not because of comedians making fun of her nor was she a victim of bad publicity. She did it to herself when she made some illegal transactions that may favor her company (insider trading).
    Wrong, plain and simple. Ever heard of "Bad publicity"? If someone lies about you, and everyone believes it, no matter what you did or did not do, now your own reputation is damaged. If you are framed for murder, and you are convicted, that remains on your record. It's not your fault you were framed. The same thing can be said for the original characters in anime. It won't be at all to the same scale as the example I provided, but the idea is clear, I think.
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    How did this become about reputation? Honestly, there a re a host of things that can damage a persons (mangaka) reputation, and an animes. I think being "marred" by hentai is not the worst way that can happen to them. Far worse is to have the copywrite violated, some kind of criminal activity, or plegarism. Hentai isn't so bad an "offense".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus
    How did this become about reputation? Honestly, there a re a host of things that can damage a persons (mangaka) reputation, and an animes. I think being "marred" by hentai is not the worst way that can happen to them. Far worse is to have the copywrite violated, some kind of criminal activity, or plegarism. Hentai isn't so bad an "offense".
    Reputation isn't exactly what I was focusing on. I was focusing more on the artistic integrity. The fact that characters maintain the characters that they were created to be, and don't get used for things that are completely uncharacteristic of them. As someone who considers himself an artist, I have strong feelings on the subject. (I admit, I don't draw. I have other forms of art.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Member Name
    Wrong, plain and simple. Ever heard of "Bad publicity"? If someone lies about you, and everyone believes it, no matter what you did or did not do, now your own reputation is damaged. If you are framed for murder, and you are convicted, that remains on your record. It's not your fault you were framed. The same thing can be said for the original characters in anime. It won't be at all to the same scale as the example I provided, but the idea is clear, I think.
    Geez dude you might have trust issues...
    With your reasoning I guess you're easily swayed by false witnesses and reports. Many People lied about Princess Diana about a lot of things and was bombarded with bad publicity left and right yet she did not lose or soil any integrity she had. People who usually believe in lies and fabrications are so gullible if they ignore evidence and especially due process. How many cases were proven when evidence speaks for itself? Usually sentiments of witnesses are irrelevant in court since it is influenced by many factors like Jealousy, greed, lust, ambition, revenge etc. Let’s say if a co-worker lied about me being lazy and a lot of people believed him and gets me in trouble or even fired then it’s their loss since I will sue them and let the records and results of my work speak for themselves that I’ve been doing an ok if not exceptional job.

    There are far worse things that can happen to anime characters and Capernicus just hit the nail on the head. Like why should we get worked up by a handful of horny fans finding ways to satisfy themselves? Trust me when I tell you that these hantai illustrators and fans won’t make a dent to whatever artistic integrity the real animators set out to establish. Your indignation towards the characters portrayed in hentai is justifiable but if you let it cloud you judgment on how to enjoy the real ones then you have some unwanted angst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    Geez dude you might have trust issues...
    With your reasoning I guess you're easily swayed by false witnesses and reports. Many People lied about Princess Diana about a lot of things and was bombarded with bad publicity left and right yet she did not lose or soil any integrity she had. People who usually believe in lies and fabrications are so gullible if they ignore evidence and especially due process. How many cases were proven when evidence speaks for itself? Usually sentiments of witnesses are irrelevant in court since it is influenced by many factors like Jealousy, greed, lust, ambition, revenge etc. Let’s say if a co-worker lied about me being lazy and a lot of people believed him and gets me in trouble or even fired then it’s their loss since I will sue them and let the records and results of my work speak for themselves that I’ve been doing an ok if not exceptional job.
    Uh.. None of this really applies. Trust has nothing to do with it. Court cases? You're trying to argue that I miss evidence because I think it's insulting to use someone's art in some way other than the original intention? That's -5 debate points for you right there. (For the record, at least here in the US, you can be let go if your boss feels you are doing poorly, whether or not you are doing exceptional. If the boss can justify that you are not needed, there is nothing legally binding him to keep you there)

    Say what you like, but this whole thread is about opinions. I stated and justified my opinion, and even offered up reasoning why someone should change their opinions to match mine. What are you arguing? That artists and their art don't deserve to be respected enough to preserve the characters? What more can be said there? I think it does, and clearly you disagree. Attempting to personally attack me based on your limited, and incorrect observations of what I've said, that gets you nowhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Janethan23
    There are far worse things that can happen to anime characters and Capernicus just hit the nail on the head. Like why should we get worked up by a handful of horny fans finding ways to satisfy themselves? Trust me when I tell you that these hantai illustrators and fans won’t make a dent to whatever artistic integrity the real animators set out to establish. Your indignation towards the characters portrayed in hentai is justifiable but if you let it cloud you judgment on how to enjoy the real ones then you have some unwanted angst.
    I feel it's insulting. I didn't mean to imply that I felt like it changed my opinion of the original art. I mean only to say that it's an insult, and that I feel it should not be done. I don't go parading around town with signs saying "Stop Hentai Now!" But in a discussion thread here, the question was asked how I feel about it. This is how I feel. Quit twisting things around, because that's all you seem to do in these discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugure's Goddess
    I don't have a problem with it! I watch occasionally and when I can find any decent ones. It's just natural to want to look at stuff like that. It's really no big deal.

    And I am female and have several female friends who watch it, too so it's really not just a male thing and I agree with the above poster, it doesn't nessecarily make some one a bad person because everyone does and even if you don't look at pictures I'm sure You fantasize about things at least some times. (and if you haven't gotten to that fun time in you life you will soon)...
    I couldn`t agree more with her.. I can admit that I have watched hentai and like some of it better then normal pron because in the real life the fanasty has an limtied and that haven`t hentai.. and I can agree I have fantasied about some of the female carathers from differnce Anime & Manga.. Like Sailor Mecruy.. And I now some of my female friend that like hentai.. and a friend of mine his is stdying Japanese.. there they discusted Hentai in class...
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    What class is that? Mine never has, Hain-sensei never touched the subject, though she's discussed anime and manga. I wonder how she feels about hentai now.........maybe I'll ask and post her reply here.
    on universty in Norway.. I was suprised when he told med that.. I`m looking forward too hear how it went
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    Hentai is indeed "Perverted" and something for teenagers above 14-15 and adults. It wouldn't be wrong for a young child to see such things but it would effect them in a bad way and in my belief make them do stuff they shouldn't.
    So in general there is nothing wrong with hentai for teens and adults but kids.
    But i agree a litle with Maya here.. beacuse some of the "rape" part that`s what I think is worng and kids shoulden`t watch and it`s like in Rapvideoes it`s give a worng image of how girls shall look.. and if kids watching that young then maybye thing thats how too have sex with a girl and so on..
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    and a friend of mine his is stdying Japanese.. there they discusted Hentai in class...
    What class is that? Mine never has, Hain-sensei never touched the subject, though she's discussed anime and manga. I wonder how she feels about hentai now.........maybe I'll ask and post her reply here.


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    Uh.. None of this really applies. Trust has nothing to do with it... That's -5 debate points for you right there.
    You're beginning to humor me.
    You are the one who had to discuss about BAD PUBLICITY even though I briefly mentioned it as an example. Now my reply doesn't apply to our little discussion. I know this your turf and you may do what you please with members that could cross you but let me tell you something sis... you can deduct as much points as you want or suspend or ban me for all I care but it will not make you more right than I am. There are other forums out there with moderators that don't meddle and get involved with members debates anyway. I'm done discussing this with you so you're free to do your role as moderator crusading to change other people’s minds. Good luck

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