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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    So, just overlook the hypocrisy then?
    This is why we are afraid of debating and engaging here lately

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    So, just overlook the hypocrisy then?
    No, but you can do better than to flame bait. I'm not saying you should stop making your point, just be civil about it and not let it get into mere insults and accusations.
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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    No, but you can do better than to flame bait. I'm not saying you should stop making your point, just be civil about it and not let it get into mere insults and accusations.
    I was civil till he just flat out started ignoring my posts. If the creator of the thread about engaging in debate is running from a debate then the thread serves no purpose and might as well be locked due to hypocrisy. Given those actions and his past record he should be the last one making a thread like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interest1ng View Post
    This is why we are afraid of debating and engaging here lately
    Your saying everyone just over looks the hypocrisy of others? Not sure what else you're implying here.

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    I was civil till he just flat out started ignoring my posts. If the creator of the thread about engaging in debate is running from a debate then the thread serves no purpose and might as well be locked due to hypocrisy. Given those actions and his past record he should be the last one making a thread like this.


    Your saying everyone just over looks the hypocrisy of others? Not sure what else you're implying here.
    I started to think of a response, but I quit caring.

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    I was civil till he just flat out started ignoring my posts. If the creator of the thread about engaging in debate is running from a debate then the thread serves no purpose and might as well be locked due to hypocrisy. Given those actions and his past record he should be the last one making a thread like this.
    It's fine to feel that way, but hypocrisy's still allowable per forum rules. And Yoko's only ignoring them because I asked him to stop. It's not really being hypocritical by ignoring you, even though he has the ability to respond. He's just not responding to keep from getting out of hand himself.
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    Default Re: Whatever happened to Lennie, anyway?

    Before I start in my customary manner, I just want to point out that I've had a smarmy, sunglasses-wearin' avatar for a long time now, so if anyone uses that Obama pic as an avatar... you know... so, I was first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blanc View Post
    I have been noticing ever since 2014 that nobody here debates here anymore nor try to engage in a smart discussion.
    Frankly, most haven't been up to a real argument- butthurt on the side or slathered directly onto the bun- for some years, so it's not nearly so fun for agitators to put the effort in here anymore. There are numerous more fertile fields to till this season. Still, I appreciate the sentiment, and I'm more than willing to plow the old husks under and fling some manure into the corners, if that would pique your interest?

    Who here remembers elites like Eris and MPK2? They both engaged. They brought life to this forum.
    They also behaved more like artful trolls than most site's alleged trolls. (May it never more be a pejorative term!) 'T'was part of the appeal, really.

    Guys, I can't do this myself.
    Don't be a martyr, now. It's unbecoming.

    Nobody is trying to seperate themselves from the flock anymore and nobody tries to add to discussion anymore, or at least its far more rare.
    I find it works out better for posterity when no conscious effort at differentiation is made. You should just let it happen, kind of like a good sneeze.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou+ View Post
    To be fair, this "Safe Space" mentality has been running on AF for a while, maybe since late 2013. Being happy go lucky is fine but I think it has become an issue as of late, yeah.
    Has it? Guess I've missed that, but I'd count myself lucky, then. Preoccupation with appearances and superficial and uncritical acceptance is absolute tedium.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blanc View Post
    Alright fellows - Time to get this thread back on-topic before that boy over there continues his meltdown after learning the truth! Anybody who derails my topic will be whipped by DB and schooled by Yoko!
    So, no starting a tempest by asserting that- after being encouraged by my two roommates to watch the movie for the first time tonight- Fight Club is a god awful film, then? It's not that anything in it offended my delicate sensibilities, nor did the messages- tired and common to angsty college students newly acquainted with 100-level philosophy as they may be, or tailored as they are to quietly simmering, resentful would-be men of impulsive action, themselves not truly men enough to decide what a man is independently- go over my head, but rather that there seemed no point to the particular presentation, no point to the plot progression as written (as opposed to alternative plots presenting similar meaning), no point to about half of the character's actions, no consistency of thought and no clear aim. (Besides that, I appreciate a well considered caper, but banks back up their data offsite, and some of it would even be duplicated by necessity by other companies, so that's a pretty wide miss, too.) To the point, it's a film by and for sophists who wish to grok, and who cannot be bothered to understand and articulate; as an intellectual, I got the same sort of feeling watching it as I have when working retail around Black Friday- perhaps a poor outcome for a piece that rails against materialism and consumerism. As a piece that features an unwitting cult leader as protagonist, is also has an unsettlingly devoted fanbase for a film devoid of any real substance, hooked to the stylings and presentation of it all.

    It was much like I imagine my watching a disoriented geriatric at finger painting might feel: boring, sometimes slightly confusing, but ultimately meaningless beyond the eyes of a few similarly (dis)affected inmates. More than anything else, I lament the time spent on the activity; I could have at least furthered my collaborative nerdrage-inducing conspiracy theory that "Toby" from Paranormal Activity: The Ghost Dimension is actually a specific villanous DC Comics character basically just trolling this family because he's a psycho and he can instead of watching this mediocre flick.

    Ah, but I digress- forgive me, lords and ladies- and I digress well off of the marked trails, straight into the forest, over a bluff, crashing directly into a bristly thicket, terrifying and scattering the fawns, still tremblingly unsure on their legs, so new are they to this world, whereupon I dare- dare- any foolhardy ranger or part-time volunteer from the quaint little park I violate to arrest my reckless will.

    Nothing like that, right? 'Cause that would be boring, or somesuch. Clearly.

    Quote Originally Posted by nslay View Post
    Paranoia -- It's still possible to identify users on any website by information in their profile or their handle. While the information on one particular website is limited, when combined with other information can identify a person. Voicing your opinions about sensitive issues on such a permanent medium could have consequences in future opportunities. It may seem silly to you that anyone would read an anime forum, but companies that run background checks and data mining algorithms may still be able to associate your posts to you. This is probably why websites like theregister.co.uk provides a Post as 'Anonymous Coward' option (even though you still have to register and sign in to post).
    Or just don't ever use Facebook. That's almost as effective, since they all start there unless you're dealing with someone far, far more dedicated than most HR types. You can have the account, just don't ever use it, post in it, update it, etc. That's been my approach for several years, now, and it's worked well enough that one of my current roommates actually got paranoid and paid to have a criminal background check done on me for fear I was a fictitious or fraudulent alias. Win! (Of course, it helps that that record is squeaky clean, too- no moving violations, even.) Doesn't stop anyone sufficiently deranged and dedicated from doxing somebody, but it's a decent compromise for casual commentary, I think.

    Time & Effort -- It takes a lot of time and effort to post arguments in debate threads. One post usually requires several follow-up posts to further an argument or clarify a position in a previous post. I personally find myself write half a response on news and forums and decide that it's not worth the time and effort to write the original post or follow through. I also sometimes feel a little insecure about my posts since it may not have been interpreted the way I had intended. It's just easier to not post at all.
    Easier, yes, but don't you just derive perverse joy from letting your fingers dance rhetorical circles around the average clumsy commenter? Shoot, without that, I might not do much besides eat, work, evacuate and sleep some days!

    Yes, AF chat does have some interesting discussions. I do encourage everyone to visit to help keep it alive and active. Sometimes it's completely empty.
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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    This guy is a poet.

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    Default Re: Whatever happened to Lennie, anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyTreetop View Post
    This guy is a poet.
    I like to think my approach to forum posts is kind of like the US in a proxy war. Show up, take issue with something, put about a billion rhetorical munitions into it in a short burst of very intense activity, publicly declare my dominance (sometimes with cause, sometimes without), and then either (a) disappear again with the survivors of the thread left to pick up the pieces or (b) hang around and tell the locals that I have a really neat idea for their new government, occasionally skirmishing with them over it.

    By comparison, calling it poetry would be nearly demeaning. You may, however, feel free to immortalize my eminence in an (appropriately proofed) epic.
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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    man This forum very old and all members are dead
    now all members you can see are ::Angry ghosts::
    maybe you can see life on mars but in this forum "impossible"


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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Personally, (I'm going to ignore everything everyone's said before me) the reason I find it hard to discuss stuff, is because of the thread topics. "Tell a lie about yourself", "Ask the person after you a question", sure forum games are fun, but come on. This paired with a lot of the other threads being very simple questions like "what anime are you eatching?" Makes actual discussion rather difficult. So far my favorite thread has been the one relating to mayoiga, because it has room for actual discussion. Same with this thread, it obviously has had a lot of in depth discussion going on. So it's not really that people don't want to discuss stuff I guess, its more like people don't have anywhere to post stuff. Now I might be wrong because I'm very new to this forum, (Shout out to my friend for showing me it) but that's my take on it at least.

    ---------- Post added at 02:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:35 AM ----------

    I'd also like to give a mention to this glorious run on sentence.
    "It's not that anything in it offended my delicate sensibilities, nor did the messages- tired and common to angsty college students newly acquainted with 100-level philosophy as they may be, or tailored as they are to quietly simmering, resentful would-be men of impulsive action, themselves not truly men enough to decide what a man is independently- go over my head, but rather that there seemed no point to the particular presentation, no point to the plot progression as written (as opposed to alternative plots presenting similar meaning), no point to about half of the character's actions, no consistency of thought and no clear aim."
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    Default Re: No, seriously- what happened to Lennie?! He's okay, right?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raycu View Post
    Personally, (I'm going to ignore everything everyone's said before me) the reason I find it hard to discuss stuff, is because of the thread topics. "Tell a lie about yourself", "Ask the person after you a question", sure forum games are fun, but come on. This paired with a lot of the other threads being very simple questions like "what anime are you watching?" Makes actual discussion rather difficult.
    Basically, the site needs a few artisanal troublemakers, and the unwashed masses must be willing to go fight and fall against them in the threads they make.

    For the glory of the Forum!

    I'd also like to give a mention to this glorious run on sentence.
    [Oh, GOD! Once is enough!]
    While a crude implement, those rambling but very carefully phrased run-ons are a favorite of mine. It forces people to either skip my more monolithic posts entirely out of frustration, or to actually pay a fair amount of attention when reading them. It leads to both hilariously unconnected responses and to good discussion, albeit with some reader's fatigue.

    So, fatigued? Or interested? Or perhaps merely slightly amused, eh?
    Last edited by TheAsterisk!; 06-23-2016 at 12:29 PM. Reason: In any and all cases, you're quite welcome. /:D/

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Most English professors would consider sentences designed to be wordy and difficult to parse as bad writing. This paired with the fact that you could have easily had that be a two sentences without cutting down on the wordiness, in fact, while adding more to it, makes it seem like it wasn't intentional. Maybe, at the very least, it was intentional, but not the best choice of writing.

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raycu View Post
    Most English professors would consider sentences designed to be wordy and difficult to parse as bad writing.
    It is bad writing. The point of communication is to share ideas and thoughts as efficiently and clearly as possible. If you fail to do so, then you suck, plain and simple. To purpousefully spout cryptic nonsense just so people read your post thoroughly is dumb at best and highfalutin at worst.

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    You might also want to point out that he also claims being cryptic aids due to the fact that people with opposing view points won't be able to understand his. Meaning that their responses will be "disconnected". In actuality this is more akin to their responses making perfect sense, it's simply they were responding to a rambling run on a sentence that doesn't.
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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    I'm simply uninterested and uncaring about what people have to say or their opinions. I honestly don't voice my own very often, unless boredom strikes. I simply just do not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycu View Post
    Most English professors would consider sentences designed to be wordy and difficult to parse as bad writing. This paired with the fact that you could have easily had that be a two sentences without cutting down on the wordiness, in fact, while adding more to it, makes it seem like it wasn't intentional. Maybe, at the very least, it was intentional, but not the best choice of writing.
    Were I actually trying to publish for meaningful consumption, or were there any remote chance of my personal opinions being taken seriously on a website ostensibly dedicated to anime, then you would have a point. In truth, though, I am merely a mild, part-time troll, deliberately derailing the conversation to spite Blanc's presumed authority and repeated badgering.

    Basically, you mistake my intent for an invitation to a substantive dialogue, rather than sophomoric mockery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumagawa View Post
    It is bad writing. The point of communication is to share ideas and thoughts as efficiently and clearly as possible. If you fail to do so, then you suck, plain and simple. To purpousefully spout cryptic nonsense just so people read your post thoroughly is dumb at best and highfalutin at worst.
    Unless the intended communication is, "Hey, don't tell me that I have to respond as you see fit, Blanc! I'll do what I want!" In that case, rambling in response to posts condemning digression and critical opinions is perfectly apt, if (as I mentioned myself) somewhat inelegant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raycu View Post
    You might also want to point out that he also claims being cryptic aids due to the fact that people with opposing view points won't be able to understand his. Meaning that their responses will be "disconnected". In actuality this is more akin to their responses making perfect sense, it's simply they were responding to a rambling run on a sentence that doesn't.
    Nonsense. The meaning is perfectly plain. I mocked someone who thinks they can tell other posters that they're not allowed to digress or even to respond critically by engaging in fantastical digression. In case you didn't notice, the entire point of bringing up Fight Club, which had no relevance whatsoever to the topic, was entirely focused upon bringing up something irrelevant to annoy and frustrate. You need to parse the two "While a crude implement..." sentences again; it's functionally equivalent to "For the lulz." The results and responses reliably amuse me, and so I do it.

    Not to be misunderstood, your two (Kumagawa & Raycu) responses are perfectly fine, if responding to my comment in isolation, but they seem unaware of the purpose of the initial post- mock Blanc, ignore Blanc's presumed authority to police the thread's content, and introduce more noise relative to signal. Interestingly, though, the discussion of my initial, mad post is now apparently the topic of multiple threaded posts, further defying Blanc's wishes, so I'm cool with that.

    Anyway, my experience has been that people on this site are generally apt to ignore longer posts I've made that properly employ nuance, complete with clear sentence and paragraph breaks. If you'd like examples, I can dig through my old posts, but it will take us back a few years.

    One that comes to mind immediately, though, was my old thread asking people what groups annoyed them. I offered that Salvation Army bell ringers were annoying, just to get the thread started, and everyone promptly ignored the question posed in favor of condemning me as a modern-day Ebenezer Scrooge, complete with admonitions that I should just give more to charity and learn to love my fellow man. I also once spent about three pages in a thread trying and failing to get through to Capernicus that the Great Plains were not the same- politically, socially, geographically- as the Midwest. In the same thread, I also argued that since libertarians were for gay rights, then a celebratory claim of victory for pervasive progressive partisan politics in those states' populations that supported gay rights was simplistic and divisive, if statistically likely. She took it as an attack on homosexuality and liberals.

    Reading comprehension is not a real big thing here, so I've sort of given up trying, at least on AF. I'm just here to stir up the mud at low tide, anymore.
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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Have you ever thought it possible that the reason your previous posts' "nuances" have been ignored is because of your inability to properly explain your points?
    Last edited by Raycu; 06-24-2016 at 09:37 PM.

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    Default Re: Why are people afraid of debating here or engaging lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    I've posted in serious matters when I was younger and now I can look back and go "wow I REALLY had that point of view?!!?! God you were ignorant BA".. So through the years those who were teens are now in our mid 20's and use AF as a way to stay connected and waste time. No new pesky brats have taken our spot really. Who knows where they are currently.. Probably something like reddit...
    I feel a bit the opposite. I look back at what I've said in the past and I think "wow, that was articulate", but I likely had more self doubt at the time I had said the thing.

    I do consider myself smarter now than I was before, but it seems like I was better at expressing stuff in the past.

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