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    Default What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    It is time we finally had a discusion about this, because I feel it is a conversation long overdue..

    Time is nigh that we decide what consitutes "anime" and what is "cartoon".

    GO!
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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    There's been discussion about this in the forums before. Actually I'll just quote my original post about this topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Anime = Cartoons.

    Just like Konnichiwa = Hello and how Aeroplane (british) = Airplane. Just because they call it something else in a different region does not change it's over-all meaning. A plane is still a plane, a welcoming is still a welcoming and a cartoon is still an anime vice versa.

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Anime is a Japanese-made film and animation, typically for adults as much as it is for children.

    Cartoons are animation-based shows with whimsical characters and can sometimes be satirical, typically known for more child-based themes.

    Now, the main difference here is that Anime is Anime because the creation and concepts are produced in Japan, and originates from Japan. Also, they are widely known to be for adults just as much as they are for children. Some anime (Attack On Titan, Berserk, ect.) aren't even appropriate for children. Taking that into account, it is vastly different than what is defined as a "cartoon".

    Cartoons, though watched by adults as much as children, are thought and associated more with kids and having kid-oriented themes and appropriateness. Cartoons also have a different art style for the most part, and though there are some cartoons being centered more for adults (South Park, American Dad, ect.)

    So what is the difference? Because both sides have adult-based animations and kid-based animations, so the key difference, I believe, is where it originated.

    an·i·me
    ˈanəˌmā/
    noun
    a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
    Whereas the definition of a "Cartoon" is as follows:

    car·toon
    kärˈto͞on
    noun
    1.
    a simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in a humorously exaggerated way, especially a satirical one in a newspaper or magazine.
    2.
    a motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects.
    So I believe the very distinct difference is that Anime is Japanese-based animation, whereas Cartoons are not animations made and produced in Japan.

    EDIT: I just explained why they have two different names and are thought of differently. I do know that they have the same base structure(as in both are animations that adults and children can enjoy), but they definitely are thought of in completely different ways.
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    Anime = Cartoons, though cartoons done with a different approach in style and for the most part far less silly. In Japan, Japanese folk call Family Guy anime.
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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Anime, as people call it, is a way of making animation.

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    The best definition I've ever heard on the subject comes from the Anime World Order podcast, which states that the only difference is who the intended or target audience is. If the target audience is Japan, it's anime. If it's American/other it's cartoons. Just like the term 'manga' refers to comics for a primarily Japanese audience, Manhwa is primarily for Korean audiences, and comics are primarily American/other. In the end, it amounts to the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragenomics View Post
    The best definition I've ever heard on the subject comes from the Anime World Order podcast, which states that the only difference is who the intended or target audience is. If the target audience is Japan, it's anime. If it's American/other it's cartoons. Just like the term 'manga' refers to comics for a primarily Japanese audience, Manhwa is primarily for Korean audiences, and comics are primarily American/other. In the end, it amounts to the same thing.
    I'm not quite sure I agree with the podcast because it goes against logic already commonly known. Any cartoon that airs in Japan is called anime which is a thing that is commonly known by now which practically means any animation is seen as anime to the Japanese. The target audience for American Cartoons is basically anyone.
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    Anime is a derivative of the word animation which is a commonly known fact. An anime is an animation; a cartoon is also an animation. The regional term for animation in Japan is Anime while the regional term for animation in America is cartoon. Though lately it seems we're ditching the term cartoon for the term animated series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Anime is a derivative of the word animation which is a commonly known fact. An anime is an animation; a cartoon is also an animation. The regional term for animation in Japan is Anime while the regional term for animation in America is cartoon. Though lately it seems we're ditching the term cartoon for the term animated series.
    I would prefer ditching both terms to be completely honest because upon untying those practically identical terms would finally end what is a vastly immature westaboo vs anime fan onslaught, though being completely rational for just one single moment: Those latter terms are ever more irritating!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your AF Waifu View Post
    I would prefer ditching both terms to be completely honest because upon untying those practically identical terms would finally end what is a vastly immature westaboo vs anime fan onslaught, though being completely rational for just one single moment: Those latter terms are ever more irritating!
    Just out of curiosity, what term would you use instead? The way I'm reading this is you want to ditch the terms anime and cartoon, but animation and animated series are more irritating. Of course, I may be misreading that as it's almost 1 AM locally and not all my mental pistons may be firing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragenomics View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what term would you use instead? The way I'm reading this is you want to ditch the terms anime and cartoon, but animation and animated series are more irritating. Of course, I may be misreading that as it's almost 1 AM locally and not all my mental pistons may be firing.
    How is "Animation" more irritating? Animation would wrap all mediums of the type of art in one package! I only prefer ditching anime/cartoon because I tire of the illogical arguments it oozes.

    I do like the term anime, but folks be hostile.
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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    I found this article very appealing and worth the read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your AF Waifu View Post
    How is "Animation" more irritating? Animation would wrap all mediums of the type of art in one package! I only prefer ditching anime/cartoon because I tire of the illogical arguments it oozes.

    I do like the term anime, but folks be hostile.
    Fair enough. As I said, I was probably misreading it.
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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    To me, anime is just Japanese animation targeted towards older audiences. I usually consider cartoons anything that's non-Japanese or meant more for little kids.

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    To me it's about the style. Megas XLR is made in America, but is definitely anime. Gargoyles was made in Japan, but is definitely American Disney. Likewise "Stitch" Is supposed to be an anime, but seems just like the American series "Lilo and Stitch"... yet also has Japanese plots, overtones, and takes place in Japan.


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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Anime is just Japanese Cartoons. It's all Cartoons.

    The only reason people get pissed off is because ignorant people dump it in the same category as Spongebob and call you childish for watching it. (Although Watching Spongebob (at least Classic) is cool too, but I digress.)

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Well then there's the fact that "anime" tends to get a bad rep because it has fewer restrictions. Like romance, death, cursing, and other things kids love but parents hate.
     








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    To me it's about the style. Megas XLR is made in America, but is definitely anime. Gargoyles was made in Japan, but is definitely American Disney. Likewise "Stitch" Is supposed to be an anime, but seems just like the American series "Lilo and Stitch"... yet also has Japanese plots, overtones, and takes place in Japan.


    For details I suggest the book "How to Be An Anime Character" which is available from Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and their affiliates.
    Certainly not the case.
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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Anime

    A style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children

    Cartoon

    1. A simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in a humorously exaggerated way, especially a satirical one in a newspaper or magazine.

    2. A film using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects.

    Source: Oxford Dictionary
    Unfortunately, I doubt that there is any absolute definition as to what constitutes an anime or cartoon.

    Under "Cartoon" in definition two, any anime would undoubtedly fall under the definition of "cartoon". However, under definition one, anime might be considered as a cartoon only if its subjects (namely characters) are drawn in an exaggerated way, and then only for the sake of humour. One could argue that the second definition is generally applicable to anime by technical definition, and that the first definition is somewhat applicable to anime by social definition.

    For the record, I don't think we need to define what an "anime" or "cartoon" is; the official definitions are already adequate to distinguish both terms to begin with. I don't think that the problem lies with the existing definitions of "anime" and "cartoon" but with prevailing western attitudes to anime and cartoons in general. We ought to be challenging the notions that anime is infinitely and absolutely distinct from cartoons, and that cartoons are merely for children and that adults who enjoy them must be socially labelled as weird or creepy individuals.

    The sooner we change those archaic notions for the better, the sooner overzealous anime enthusiasts can stop trying to excuse their own entertainment preferences by telling other people that anime is infinitely more high-brow than cartoons; because heaven forbid, if they don't, other people might just associate their interests with a term that makes them feel personally uncomfortable, hurt their feelings as result, and maybe diminish their inflated opinion of themselves. So what? You like anime/cartoons and some people might think less of you because of that? Oh diddums... For God sake, grow a spine and deal with it.
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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Quote Originally Posted by .:neuko:. View Post
    Unfortunately, I doubt that there is any absolute definition as to what constitutes an anime or cartoon.

    Under "Cartoon" in definition two, any anime would undoubtedly fall under the definition of "cartoon". However, under definition one, anime might be considered as a cartoon only if its subjects (namely characters) are drawn in an exaggerated way, and then only for the sake of humour. One could argue that the second definition is generally applicable in technical terms, and that the first definition is generally applicable in social terms, although in the latter (definition 1.) the official definition tends to be more subject to differing eastern-vs-western opinions as to what constitutes "anime".

    For the record, I don't think we need to define what an "anime" or "cartoon" is; the official definitions are already adequate to distinguish those terms to begin with. I don't think that the problem lies with the existing definitions of "anime" and "cartoon" but with prevailing western attitudes to anime and cartoons in general. We ought to be challenging the notions that anime is infinitely and absolutely distinct from cartoons, and that cartoons are merely for children and that adults who enjoy them must be socially labelled as weird or creepy individuals.

    The sooner we change those archaic notions for the better, the sooner overzealous anime enthusiasts can stop trying to excuse their own entertainment preferences by telling other people that anime is infinitely more high-brow than cartoons; because heaven forbid, if they don't, other people might just associate their interests with a term that makes them feel personally uncomfortable, hurt their feelings as result, and maybe diminish their inflated opinion of themselves. So what? You like anime/cartoons and some people might think less of you because of that? Oh diddums... For God sake, grow a spine and deal with it.
    I completely agree, just throwing the official definitions out there and seeing what other's opinions are.

    But yes, I agree that they both pretty much mean the same thing and it would be better to stop distinguishing the differences and instead realize how much the similarities overpower the differentiation's.
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    I have this struggle at work sometimes with colleagues who are not anime fans. For example, someone keeps putting 'RWBY' into the anime section. To me, it doesn't belong there because it is not Japanese. I can see how someone would get it wrong, but it clearly belongs in the Cartoon section along with all the other Rooster Teeth titles. Then there's things like Pokemon and Digimon. I feel these could go either way, but personally prefer them in the Cartoon section. My reasoning is that most Aussies grew up watching it in English alongside other non-Japanese cartoons. But then I feel Sailor Moon belongs in anime, despite also having aired here in English in the morning Cartoon broadcast....
    Long story short, no-one at work touches the anime section anymore except me. LOL.

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

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    Certainly not the case.
    Please go into more detail. For example in this video what's anime and what's cartoon?

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Let's review the categories of animation shall we
    1. Traditional 2 dimensional drawn animations
    2. Stylized 2 dimensional drawn cartoons or animations
    3. Traditional 3D animations, like Claymation or stop motion animations
    4. Digitized 3D animations using mostly digital technology, like a Pixar film
    5. Other various animations using different techniques, such as South Park
    Cartoons are generally non stylized, not very artistic with silly looking characters, mostly made in the US or Europe
    Most Anime are made in Asia, are very stylized and stylish and very artistic with cute and sexy characters.
    Not all cartoons are non stylized, some are very stylized like Archer, or the Italian series Winx Club
    Not all anime are stylized and very artistic either, but most are.
    Basically, anime is a Japanese or Asian cartoon though, the terminology is different, like Hurricane and Typhoon, the Asian version of a Hurricane, but basically the same type of storm.

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    gargoyles (made in japan)

    Oban Star Racers (made in France)

    Afro Samurai

    Avatar: The Last Airbender

    Lady Death

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    Default Re: What is Anime; What is Cartoon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsudere View Post
    Cartoons are generally non stylized, not very artistic with silly looking characters, mostly made in the US or Europe
    this is very poor phrasing and bordering on condescending and very much false.
    just because you do not enjoy it does not invalidate the creative effort that went into it, and non-Japanese cartoons certainly qualify as art
    one good example is Steven Universe
    the color palette and style overall is stellar, the character designs are great, especially for the fusions, and the backgrounds are always stunning




    another good example being Samurai Jack



    like really, i understand art is subjective, but to completely negate the effort and vision that it takes to make these sort of things is criminal

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