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    Hello! This is my first post on this forum, please treat me well orz

    Anyways I'm stuck on these lines from a less popular GUMI song called ラムネード:

    四角い餅菓子の青りんご
    悲しいまでに 遠くを見つめてる

    I've come up with:

    The green apples of the square bean-jam cakes
    By the time I stared into the distance sadly.

    Which makes no sense. Can anyone think of a better way to translate this?

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    Default Re: GUMI- Lemonade

    Hmm, that's a tough one. I would translate "悲しいまでに 遠くを見つめてる" as something like "[I am] gazing into the distance until I become/it makes me sad" (ugh, that's clunky, but you get the idea). "Xまでに" is more "until X [happens]" than "by the time X [happens]," and 悲しい isn't modifying 見つめてる here (it would have to be in adverbial form for that anyway, which it's not).

    However, I have no idea how that relates to the bean-jam cakes and apples. What's the larger context?

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    Default Re: GUMI- Lemonade

    The lyrics are right under our nose.

    Actually I think までに with respect to time is usually "by the time/before [something]", e.g.,
    夕方までに作業を終える / finish one's work by evening
    I looked it up, however, and the meaning is broader, not just limited to time, but expresses a limit with respect to time, space, effects, degree, action etc. of anything.
    全く新しいレベルまでに高められる / be raised to a whole new level
    種々の~を含むまでに拡大される / be extended to include a number of
    (Examples from alc.co.jp.)

    The unusual thing about this line though is the present tense 見つめてる rather than the imperfect tense 見つめる. I think maybe it means "to the extent in time that I'm sad, I'm gazing into the distance" = "while I'm sad, I'm [now] gazing into the distance", implying that you stop gazing when you're no longer sad.

    To say "I gaze until I become sad [in the future]" as you suggested, I would say 悲しくなるまでに見つめる, implying that you stop gazing after you've become sad.

    I'm not confident though. It's the first time I've ever encountered までに followed by present progressive -ている.

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    Default Re: GUMI- Lemonade

    I think I'm going to translate 悲しいまでに 遠くを見つめてる as "While I'm sad, I'm gazing into the distance." Thanks for the help guys! Now to figure out the whole green apple deal...

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    Default Re: GUMI- Lemonade

    Wow, I am an idiot. This is what I get for commenting when I'm in a rush, I guess.

    Anyway, looking at the full lyrics, I don't think the lines about food are grammatically connected to the other lines, exactly? They seem just sort of interspersed as one-line metaphorical descriptions of feelings (I'm guessing).

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