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    Quote Originally Posted by MaruDashi View Post
    Obama has-
    1. Cut prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%
    2. Provided $12.2 Billion in new funding for Individuals With Disabilities Education Act
    3. Appointed more openly gay officials than any other president in US history
    4. The American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009: a $789 billion economic stimulus plan
    Created more private sector jobs in 2010 than during entire Bush years
    4. First president to endorse same-sex marriage equality
    5. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers
    6. Established Credit Card Bill of Rights, preventing credit card companies from imposing arbitrary rate increases on customers
    7. Health Care Reform Bill, preventing insurance companies from denying insurance because of a pre-existing condition


    I could go on. Theres a whole site dedicated to everything hes done called whatthe[xxxx]hasobamadonesofar dot com. Browse through it, the man has done a lot in just 4 years, including creating 4.5 million jobs after 8.8 million were lost in the recession due to Bush. Im looking forward to seeing what he can do in another 4 years over handing the election over to a man who will more than likely pick up where Bush left off.
    I took the liberty of numbering your points in the above quote.

    1. Barack Obama has cut the cost of prescription drugs for seniors by 50%. I cannot attest to the validity of this claim, so it is acceptable to regard. My question for you, though, is about the way President Obama went about accomplishing this.

    I presume Barack Obama alleviated the costs to seniors by sending money their way. In my post from before, I talked about how social security would change under Romney with a voucher system that empowered the individual. Prescription drugs may well have been cut in price for seniors, but the cost remains unchanged because the market didn't change. There is not any governmental success here, if my presumptions are correct, because the spending will have to continue at the expense of taxpayers rather than the markets having improved themselves with Romney's method.

    2. IDEA (passed in 1990) has experienced some criticism since its enacting for schools being unable to comply with the costs involved in it. If Barack Obama has pressed for additional funding to the program, this would obviously be effective in solving the immediate issue. Since educational administration is loosely tied to the federal government, he could do little more than this if he wanted to keep the program running.

    Also, the disabled would have families more able to afford their schooling if taxes were lower on all Americans. Mind us, corporations are

    3. If he has appointed more openly gay officials than any other President in U.S. history, then he does not have a perceivable bias against them. Being "openly gay" doesn't qualify or disqualify you for being capable of completing your assigned tasks properly.

    4. This statistic is deceitful. In it, the months of job losses under President Obama aren't accounted for (only gains) while all of President Bush's months of employment statistics are (gains and losses).
     



    5. By making it easier for women to pursue higher wages in court, for an apparent inequality of pay, then it is only more incentive for those who are actually discriminating to not hire women in the first place. Primarily, those who must comply with affirmative action and hire women potentially against their will would be facing the legitimate claims to gender inequality in the workplace. I say, most people can't afford to sue their employers for gender inequality about incomes because they have too many taxes.

    6. The Credit Cardholder's Bill of Rights Act of 2009 limited Credit Card companies with more strict rules to interest rates and finance charges, among other things. This is favorable to the consumer and absolutely unfavorable to credit card companies, obviously. President Obama also supported a form of the Health Care bill with a provision to tax 100% of the remaining wealth on prepaid debit cards after their expiry date - which was dropped after the card companies lobbied against it. A big reason why only see a portion of credit card companies involved in prepaid cards is because of an apparent "web" of regulations the companies must hire lawyers for to succeed (this latter bit is hearsay I've gathered from company members some time ago). All-in-all for the point though, it is an agreeable accomplishment.

    7. The health care reform bill is negative simply because it cuts benefits for those who are already insured to care for a new influx of patients. You cannot care for more people and cut costs at the same time without expanding the market. The health care reform bill does not expand the market because it doesn't remove anyone's taxes (which would allow for more competition in the market to earn the individuals' wealth). The pre-existing condition inclusion is satisfactory for a small number of people, but the whole bill is an abomination to all. I also question the worth of insurance for someone with a pre-existing condition, no less all individuals, if everyone else is also "insured" just the same.

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    If you'd like to reply me on this, I invite you to address the points made in my previous post for Romney too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Virgo Shaka View Post
    (1 I support Obama all the way. When I was around 17 (about more than 4 years ago), I had recently turned to Christianity and kept hearing that Obama would be sworn in with the Qu'ran. As we all know by now, he was sworn in by Lincoln's Bible (who was Republican) but I still fell for the lie. Luckily once I became a senior in high school I had a Government class and learned more about politics. Both sides lie, of course, but you see it more on the right. It's when I learned I shouldn't believe all the rumors and instead fact check everything. The only reason I didn't vote that year was because my birthday was in the same week as Election day so I didn't wanna complicate things for me ._. (still 17 at the time).

    (2 The way I see it, Clinton left us a surplus and Bush left us a deficit. (3 We've been taxing the rich less for many years now, and the "job creators" aren't really doing their jobs. (4 Lastly, we gave Bush 8 years in office, so I want to give Obama 8 years to help fix the economy. I don't think he'll be able to leave it like Clinton did, but I'm sure we'll be doing much better if not only Obama gets re-elected, but also if we give OUR President a Congress that will work with him and move the country forward. (5 They've been trying to pass laws based on Christian morality and hardly anything on job creation.

    Note: Before anyone calls me a "godless Democrat" I'll have you know that I'm Catholic. I don't agree with liberals on many issues but I do agree Obama needs to be re-elected.
    1: Personally, I've never heard any talk of people thinking President Obama was going to be sworn in by the Qur'an. The majority of Republicans did not believe that either, I say.

    Bush was criticized for being on the golf course too frequently during his tenure, but President Obama has played more golf than he ever has at over 100 rounds. Woodrow Wilson (a liberal Democrat) performed around 1,200 rounds himself. Both sides lie, of course, but I see it more on the left! ...Your and my arguments are insular and not substantive of the apparent issue.

    2: Clinton was President from '93 to '01. '93 to '95 was controlled by the Democrats, and the Republicans controlled the House and Senate from then to 2001. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_l..._States_Senate , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaders...epresentatives)

    Also, on "surplus" : http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16
     
    As can clearly be seen, in no year did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently turned into a deficit. Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of "only" $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero--let alone a positive surplus number. And Clinton's last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

    3: The "rich" don't have enough money to do much to the economy if we took it from them and spent it. See 2:45 onward in this :
     

    I stress that corporations are people. When you tax a company on their profits, you are effectively taxing their employees' wages and removing the possibility of further employees to be hired! To say corporations are withholding funds from expenditure is an improper way of looking at things too, because their investments in the economy (savings) create jobs outside of their own business without having directly bought those services, and then interest is generated if the money was invested well enough and it goes toward either more investments or direct hiring. Companies don't just hide their money under their pillows; they invest it to protect against inflation, just the same as people. When money is put in a bank, too, it is invested by the bank into the economy; it isn't stashed away in some corner and forgotten.

    4: Economy operates off of individual decisions. These decisions bear differing results. The decisions are made with the intention of profit inborn the mind of the investor. Socioeconomic rift is natural for an economy, given the differences in outcome for all decisions. For Capitalists, the individual will spend their own money with better determination upon the value of expenditures than anyone else, and this pool of buyers will constantly lower the prices of all things to increase productivity and quality of life for all.


    In the face of poverty, we may seek an equality with egalitarian fashion that grants equal education and equalized quality of life. The issue arises for the economy, however, and for all people, when that equality is what means there is no way to create a structure about these things. The root cause of American income disparity is the lack of sufficient employment caused by collectivist policies which remove wealth from the economy that would be spent intelligently, thus destroying potential productivity and ensuing stagnation.

    Let me share with you a story I once heard: F.A. Hayek was once at the Panama Canal as it was being built, and he saw all of the workers around him using shovels. He asked a manager, "Why don't you use heavy machinery to get this work done?" to which the man said, "We are using shovels to create more jobs!" Hayek only found the reply worthy for a chuckle though, "Then you should dig with spoons!"

    Also, on "giving" our President a Congress that he can work with, he had that for his first two years in office. This definitely could have been insufficient, but why?

    5: I agree that most state Republican politicians have supported laws that impose social beliefs against others' liberties. House and Senate Republicans, I believe, are less so but can be still to a perceptible measure. Republicans have pressed many tax cuts, which are effectually what grow and multiply our economy because the economy is comprised of people with money.

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    It must be known that I don't support Bush. I don't support Obama. Romney isn't close to my idea of the ideal candidate. When put against Obama, I support Romney for the reasons I mentioned in the post I made previously. If you address the points made here, I would appreciate it that you also address the points I made in that other post too.

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    Anyway, I'm voting for Obama. Romney's policies concerning the LGBT community sicken me and since I am part of said community, I'm not standing for it. Plus, his running mate acts like a pathological liar, lying about the most menial things from his previous stance on the stimulus to how fast he ran a marathon.
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    not into politics, but if I have to choose, then Obama!
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    Quote Originally Posted by celiaorirene View Post
    not into politics, but if I have to choose, then Obama!
    Care to explain why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by טוביה View Post
    Care to explain why?
    cuz hes cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrellxJozette View Post
    cuz hes cool
    Trolling or...

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    Yes, trolling.

    ---------- Post added at 08:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:46 PM ----------

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    I'd go with Obama. The issues that are most important to me personally the majority of Republicans are so far off-base on that I'd never be able to vote for them in good conscience. Romney is no different. Not that Obama is perfect, but I just can't vote for Romney. He's very against my values, and overall against me (as is the majority of the Republican party). So, as long as I have any dignity, I couldn't ever vote for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by טוביה View Post
    Care to explain why?
    just had a better impression towards him, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celiaorirene View Post
    just had a better impression towards him, I guess.
    Well, are there thing that you agree with him on?
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    Anyway, I'm voting for Obama. Romney's policies concerning the LGBT community sicken me and since I am part of said community, I'm not standing for it. Plus, his running mate acts like a pathological liar, lying about the most menial things from his previous stance on the stimulus to how fast he ran a marathon.
    And Obama is mister perfect who has never lied to the citizens of this country at all? Every politician lies. It's their job, and it's what they do best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    Anyway, I'm voting for Obama. Romney's policies concerning the LGBT community sicken me and since I am part of said community, I'm not standing for it. Plus, his running mate acts like a pathological liar, lying about the most menial things from his previous stance on the stimulus to how fast he ran a marathon.
    It's always the liberal demofags that ruin everything. You'd be willing to compromise an entire nation's wealth, freedom and dignity just to have a few Gay rights tossed at you. The LGBT seems to have more power than it needs; it could use a little trimming.
    Obama is black (you can relate to that), and a democrat, so that seems like a good way to wash some white guilt for the rest, doesn't it?

    Oh, but who am I writing to? A bunch of stupid college kids overhyped because they just reached voting age. Brainwashed to think that following the rules could change the world. Why don't you stop voting for once, or vote [No President], or sue the voting both for not having a "Nobody" option. Why don't you do something for a change?



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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkGalaxies View Post
    And Obama is mister perfect who has never lied to the citizens of this country at all? Every politician lies. It's their job, and it's what they do best.
    I didn't say that Obama doesn't lie. I said that Paul Ryan behaves like a pathological liar; he lies as if he can't help himself.

    I have learned that politicians often lie to constituents in order to get their vote; this happens all the time and every single politician is guilty of it. However, Ryan lies about virtually everything. It isn't just about his stance on women's rights or the economy; its little things like what he did in school or how fast he ran a marathon, things people wouldn't care about, but he lies about them about them anyway.
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    Tempted to say neither even though i'm a Democrat. But I like Obama, so ...

    Not for anyone who's against gay rights, women's rights, or basically any rights. Or someone who makes laughable propaganda like this (although the bad acting is amusing):



    All politicians lie, though, i'm sure everyone knows this. They all just want your vote; they don't care about anything else. So basically when you vote, you just have to determine the lesser evil.
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    Obama all the way! I still have hope that he can do a lot of great things for America.

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    I hope that you guys will choose Obama this time aswell.

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    Romney may be far left like Obama.
    I thought Romney was Republican?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Moonlight View Post
    Tempted to say neither even though i'm a Democrat. But I like Obama, so ...

    Not for anyone who's against gay rights, women's rights, or basically any rights. Or someone who makes laughable propaganda like this (although the bad acting is amusing):

     


    All politicians lie, though, i'm sure everyone knows this. They all just want your vote; they don't care about anything else. So basically when you vote, you just have to determine the lesser evil.
    The video you posted in this quote is from a Political Action Committee that Romney never endorsed. Still not for anyone who makes propaganda like that, though?



    In 2001, Mr. Soptic lost his job. In 2002, Romney formally left Bain. In 2002 or, perhaps, 2003, Mr. Soptic's wife leaves her job. In 2006, Mr. Soptic's wife was diagnosed with cancer and passed away. This commercial neglects that timeline and blames Romney for the death of this man's wife. Obama never endorsed this commercial either, but the Democratic National Committee Chairman has publicly defended the ad and another ad that Obama actually did endorse features Joe Soptic too.
     

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    Also, I agree with you that the federal government shouldn't be deciding who can marry and whether or not the states should prevent abortion procedures. This conceded, someone supporting Obama to actually address the points I've made in past posts with this thread before claiming righteousness to Obama though. It just looks bad to ignore everything I've said and cheer for abortion rights as we neglect the dialogue for economy, social security, and the general security of our posterity. Mind us, Roe v. Wade can only be overturned with the executive power by supporting a Constitutional amendment through the legislature - something that would never be attainable by 2016. As far as the marriage amendment goes, it would surely not be taken through the legislature either. Obama's support of gay rights and abortion can only be shown in his inaction about them anyway, as far as I'm concerned.


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    Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeauhhhhhhhhhh
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    Really neither of the candidates particularly please me. Even if one did, it's mostly be lies and never fulfilled.

    I'm registered as an independent so I can vote for whomever I think will be the better choice regardless of party. That being said I'm more on terms with democratic views than republican. The biggest agreements being a woman should have the right as to what they do with their body, equal rights to gays and others.

    People expected Obama to be some sort of savior which was wrong on their part. 1. He's just a regular president 2. He's a president 99.99% of congress seems to hate. People seem to forget Obama doesn't have the power to do anything. He just presents the bills to congress and they accept/reject them. And honestly they reject the heck out of them just because he's a black president. Congress is full of racist old farts and that's why stuff doesn't get done, not because he isn't doing anything. There's a congressman who specifically said he's instantly shoot down anything obama suggested just because he didn't like him. Excuse me? Shouldn't you be looking at the idea and not the person who submitted the idea? You're going to shoot down something (even if you may agree with it) JUST because you don't like the person?? You're a congressman, you shouldn't be stooping that low. But alas these type of people still get elected in....

    I'm not going to go this much further into politics since politics is really a vast topic that is hard to fully wrap your mind around and quite frankly I don't feel like debating it right now.

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    Really neither of the candidates particularly please me. Even if one did, it's mostly be lies and never fulfilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    I didn't say that Obama doesn't lie. I said that Paul Ryan behaves like a pathological liar; he lies as if he can't help himself.

    I have learned that politicians often lie to constituents in order to get their vote; this happens all the time and every single politician is guilty of it. However, Ryan lies about virtually everything. It isn't just about his stance on women's rights or the economy; its little things like what he did in school or how fast he ran a marathon, things people wouldn't care about, but he lies about them about them anyway.
    Paul Ryan? I'm pretty sure you said Romney the first time I read that comment. Don't get people mixed up. It's okay though, Paul Ryan is one of those people who is just there to take votes away from the two main ones that matter in the election. I can't see him being the one going head to head with Obama in the elections.




    Quote Originally Posted by SuXrys View Post
    I hope that you guys will choose Obama this time aswell.

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    I thought Romney was Republican?
    He is, but Republican and Democrat are just words now. There is no longer an in between, it seems. Everyone is just out for money and power. Some of Romney's plans were/are on the far left side rather than right. That is what I was getting at.

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