Chik fil A Controversy

[GX7]

Okay has anyone heard about this so called "controversial" report about the Christian owned fast food chain, as well as the mayor of Boston saying that they're not welcome because they "discriminate" against the homosexual population of America?

Well let's talk about it here and share your opinions on this situation. Me personally it's kind of stupid that a mayor can tell where a company can set up a shop and where they can't. This is America, and it seems to me that Christians are now losing their rights while homosexuals and muslims are getting more rights than Christians.

If the mayor of Boston doesn't want a Christian company in his city because Christians are supposed to hate the sin of homosexuality and not the person. Then he should throw out EVERY single church that doesn't allow gays to sit in their pews every Sunday morning or even get married within their sanctuary. I bet you THAT will go over real well. (/sarcasm)

[KyouFalls]

Some of my family members are christian And they don't really care if someone is homosexual or not, It's them, It's their life not ours. And if the mayor actually wants that.. Che I'd kick his a** if i had to.

[threewolves]

ChickFila is entitled to its opinion, one I dont agree with, but they are entitled to it.

To be honest, Im surprised at how many people found it shocking. I mean come one, the guy is so religious, that he is the only fast food place I know, that closes on Sundays, cause thats God's day. Was I surprised he said it out loud, maybe a little bit, but not really.

The backlash, well that comes with the territory, if they didnt expect it, then their head was in the ground.

[Kaleohano]

I dont dislike homosexuals on from a supernatural-invisible-man-goat-nuts-voodoo-schpick standpoint. I just don't care for homosexuality from a personal/moral standpoint. I think the idea is nasty.
That being said, i don't discriminate against homosexuals. Just cuz i don't like them is not enough reason for me to treat them differently. I only act when some dude starts making me feel uncomfortable. I have a certain line that I draw that does not get crossed. If it is crosses, prepare to deal with the consequences.

So on this, i believe strongly in the separation of state and church. Neither interacts with the other. So i don't think the Mayor should be able to kick the restaurant joint out. The homosexuals should deal with it themselves.

[Mugiwara-no-Basuke]

I dont dislike homosexuals on from a supernatural-invisible-man-goat-nuts-voodoo-schpick standpoint. I just don't care for homosexuality from a personal/moral standpoint. I think the idea is nasty.
That being said, i don't discriminate against homosexuals. Just cuz i don't like them is not enough reason for me to treat them differently. I only act when some dude starts making me feel uncomfortable. I have a certain line that I draw that does not get crossed. If it is crosses, prepare to deal with the consequences.

So on this, i believe strongly in the separation of state and church. Neither interacts with the other. So i don't think the Mayor should be able to kick the restaurant joint out. The homosexuals should deal with it themselves.

That's what mature guys do!
It's the same with me, homessexuality is very weird for me and I hate when I'm watching a series and two guys kiss but I'll respect any homessexual as much as for an heterossexual because some homossexual are definetely much better persons than heteros like myself.

[Hanamaru Kunikida]

I dont dislike homosexuals on from a supernatural-invisible-man-goat-nuts-voodoo-schpick standpoint. I just don't care for homosexuality from a personal/moral standpoint. I think the idea is nasty.
That being said, i don't discriminate against homosexuals. Just cuz i don't like them is not enough reason for me to treat them differently. I only act when some dude starts making me feel uncomfortable. I have a certain line that I draw that does not get crossed. If it is crosses, prepare to deal with the consequences.

I agree to an extend. As a straight man, it makes me pretty uncomfortable, even when joking. (Unless we're bros and we pretty much know we're straight) Like I was talking this dude I barely even know and he called me "Little Nasty Boy" despite of being being 5 years younger than me and then he did some pretty gay smiles over Skype like "make-up" or Kisses....I didn't tell him anything since I didn't want to hurt his feelings but that's pretty gay there.

People are free to live their live how they want but try to keep me out of it. I agree about the part if they start to harass me after I tell them I am not interested then yeah consequences will happen but usually from what I observed or being told, that's usually not the case and they move on. So it's all good right there.

I can't say I dislike homosexuals but sometimes, some of them they have this attitude I really dislike like this one member that should remain nameless, a few from other forums and in real life. It gets pretty annoying and I'm not the only one who thinks so but overall, I don't dislike or hate homosexuals.

Everyone should be treated equally though.

[Kaleohano]

People are free to live their live how they want but try to keep me out of it. I agree about the part if they start to harass me after I tell them I am not interested then yeah consequences will happen but usually from what I observed or being told, that's usually not the case and they move on. So it's all good right there.

They do. I can only think of one occasion where a gentleman at a party would not back off of me and i had to adopt a more threatening tone. Borderline ready to knock him the f'k out. But the tone was enough to finish him. lol

[Miss Moonlight]

They do. I can only think of one occasion where a gentleman at a party would not back off of me and i had to adopt a more threatening tone. Borderline ready to knock him the f'k out. But the tone was enough to finish him. lol

Oh, was he hitting on you? I can see how that would bother a (potentially violent "ready to knock him out") homophobe.

[Mystelinth]

Oh, was he hitting on you? I can see how that would bother a (potentially violent "ready to knock him out") homophobe.

Well, like @Kaleohano said: He would not back off.
Its ofcourse no problem at first, but i can see why it could eventually become a bother. ^.^

Don't you?

[Kaleohano]

Oh, was he hitting on you? I can see how that would bother a (potentially violent "ready to knock him out") homophobe.

Yes he was. thats where i draw the line. Him and I are actually friends now and hang out regularly.

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1. However, it should be noted that the whole "your-lifestyle-is-utterly-disgusting-and-abhorrent-to-me-but-I-like-you-anyway" statement is one that doesn't usually go very well.

2. But reading your private message makes me want to punch you in the jaw.

3. First, it should be noted that bringing up the sex lives of one's parents is NOT a good idea if you want them to understand your position (I don't think you shot yourself in the foot; I think you shot it clear off).

4. Second, in response to your (hopefully) hypothetical question, I really doesn't care what my mother has done sexually in the past because I'm a grown woman who doesn't care what people do in private.

5. So I certainly don't think about it. Its not in the back of my head. If it was, it might mean that I probably have some demons that I need to work out.

6. I think I need some chicken. Anybody know some good places for chicken?

okiday. here we go lol

1. I said nasty. not what you just wrote. Very very different statements. like "Forget you" and "F*ck you!

2. I'll gladly post or pm my address if you really want to do it.

3. Its a perfect subject that most people are uncomfortable with.

4. So you'd feel just as comfortable talking to her about her sexlife as you would talking to one of your friends about theirs(i wouldn't lol)?

5. Thats something most people can't say.

6. Theres this place down the street called Toni's Pizzaria. They make Tortellini and rather than ham, they throw honey chicken in. Its soooooooo good!
whatever you do, don't go to KFC. its KFC is "utterly-disgusting-and-abhorrent" lol

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And what was he doing in said altercation? he didn't clarify, just that there was this "gentleman" who would not "back off" and he was ready to be a macho douche and punch him.

Don't assume you're so amazingly attractive that every gay person on the face of the planet wants to jump your bones.

Do you really need to ask? I'm Kaleohano. I was chasing the ladies trying to have a little extra fun after the party.

LADIES: Ever have a guy hit on you so much it pisses you off? I can be that guy from time to time. This gay dude was doing that to me in this particular instance.
Anything else you want clarified?

As far as me thinking every gay dude wants to jump my bone... when did i ever say that? Even if it was true, i wouldn't want to believe it. lol I can honestly say that i'm happy that i'm not that hot.

[Faux Angel]

Okay has anyone heard about this so called "controversial" report about the Christian owned fast food chain, as well as the mayor of Boston saying that they're not welcome because they "discriminate" against the homosexual population of America?

Well let's talk about it here and share your opinions on this situation. Me personally it's kind of stupid that a mayor can tell where a company can set up a shop and where they can't. This is America, and it seems to me that Christians are now losing their rights while homosexuals and muslims are getting more rights than Christians.

If the mayor of Boston doesn't want a Christian company in his city because Christians are supposed to hate the sin of homosexuality and not the person. Then he should throw out EVERY single church that doesn't allow gays to sit in their pews every Sunday morning or even get married within their sanctuary. I bet you THAT will go over real well. (/sarcasm)

: | i dont support them in theory, tho i do eat there, not because of this, but because when i was younger, my kids meal came with a book about "world religions" =___= and they purposefully left out islam... which the second largest religion in the world....

similarly, i think they are completely wrong for this act of discrimination. In my opinion, if they dislike it, they should not only say so openly but refuse to sell to homos/muslims/whoever else they dislike..... [i know i know..outrage would ensue] but as it is, they are being hypocritical, because they will discriminate... up until the moment u open ur wallet, they take the money, then they finish discriminating : | wtf.

[Jozette]

This is some b-chicken

[Meenah]

I've heard of it going around, especially on Facebook. I'm annoyed with homophobes as well with the homosexuals who demand their rights and demand respect.
The bottom line for me is that everyone has rights, just respect one another's way and beliefs and be kind to one another. >_>; As for this controversy, I don't really care too much of it because it's not affecting me.

[GX7]

I've heard of it going around, especially on Facebook. I'm annoyed with homophobes as well with the homosexuals who demand their rights and demand respect.
The bottom line for me is that everyone has rights, just respect one another's way and beliefs and be kind to one another. >_>; As for this controversy, I don't really care too much of it because it's not affecting me.

I agree... Especially now that it's all "We're gay! We demand more rights than everyone else and respect!". I think that they deserve the same human rights as every American has. However if they want to be respected among the American people. They need to EARN that respect. You don't just demand respect, you earn it!

And getting this out into the open. My stance on gay marriage is one word: compromise. That's right make both Christians and homosexuals happy. Why can't there be compromise in politics I have no idea. But it needs to happen starting now, and with Obama and Romney. I don't care what side thinks. Republicans and Democrats can work together instead of against each other. And they know it. They just don't do it.

One final note. If the Westboro Baptist Church continues down it's current course of hatred. Then Christians may find themselves worshiping Christ in underground churches. Think about that. Christianity's image is being tainted by that damned Phelps family in Kansas.

[Miss Moonlight]

I agree... Especially now that it's all "We're gay! We demand more rights than everyone else and respect!". I think that they deserve the same human rights as every American has. However if they want to be respected among the American people. They need to EARN that respect. You don't just demand respect, you earn it!

And getting this out into the open. My stance on gay marriage is one word: compromise. That's right make both Christians and homosexuals happy. Why can't there be compromise in politics I have no idea. But it needs to happen starting now, and with Obama and Romney. I don't care what side thinks. Republicans and Democrats can work together instead of against each other. And they know it. They just don't do it.

One final note. If the Westboro Baptist Church continues down it's current course of hatred. Then Christians may find themselves worshiping Christ in underground churches. Think about that. Christianity's image is being tainted by that damned Phelps family in Kansas.

I think they're asking for the same respect as anyone else, I don't see any of them "demanding" it.

[Tewi Inaba]

I think i agree that The Mayor went a little far....
But Mr.Chik Fila Owner Guy Should of expected that comes with the territory tho...
Im Hope Someday that everyone can get over this issue....

[Aulos]

I'll never eat there again.

That would have more effect if I actually ate there regularly. However, I didn't have much against the place before this and would (and did) eat there if I was out with friends. But not anymore.

Of course, they have the right to have an stance, and to be open about it. However, I also have the right to say "Screw them!". Particularly for all the money donated to those hate groups. There is no way in hell I'm going to go spend my money there now. I don't want even an cent of my money going to such groups. It's just disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a new-found respect for The Muppets. =P

I agree... Especially now that it's all "We're gay! We demand more rights than everyone else and respect!".

More rights than everyone else? What are these rights that homosexuals are 'demanding' that you are speaking of that are 'more' than anyone else?

One final note. If the Westboro Baptist Church continues down it's current course of hatred. Then Christians may find themselves worshiping Christ in underground churches. Think about that. Christianity's image is being tainted by that damned Phelps family in Kansas.

I don't know about you, but I don't take the Westboro Baptist Church seriously. I mean I do take them seriously as in I think that they are bad, and that picketing funerals is an horribly low thing to do. However, as part of their religion I do not take them seriously.

You don't need Westboro Baptist Church to ruin Christianity's image. Plain Christianity has done plenty to destroy its own image.

[GX7]

I'll never eat there again.

That would have more effect if I actually ate there regularly. However, I didn't have much against the place before this and would (and did) eat there if I was out with friends. But not anymore.

Of course, they have the right to have an stance, and to be open about it. However, I also have the right to say "Screw them!". Particularly for all the money donated to those hate groups. There is no way in hell I'm going to go spend my money there now. I don't want even an cent of my money going to such groups. It's just disgusting.

On the other hand, I have a new-found respect for The Muppets. =P



More rights than everyone else? What are these rights that homosexuals are 'demanding' that you are speaking of that are 'more' than anyone else?



I don't know about you, but I don't take the Westboro Baptist Church seriously. I mean I do take them seriously as in I think that they are bad, and that picketing funerals is an horribly low thing to do. However, as part of their religion I do not take them seriously.

You don't need Westboro Baptist Church to ruin Christianity's image. Plain Christianity has done plenty to destroy its own image.

Well from what I hear is that homosexuals are getting more rights than Christians. One story I heard from my parents, that a Christian photography business refused to do a homosexual wedding. The couple sued and actually won the case. Basically the rights of a business is less important than a homosexual couples right to have whatever business to photograph their wedding.

How has Christianity tainted it's own image? Besides the stupid crusades which shouldn't really count because that was the politics back in medieval Europe. How can Christianity ruin it's own image? Quite honestly the Westboro Baptist Church is doing a bang up job of making the world think God is a malviolent and hateful God, who wants nothing more than to punish humanity for it's sins.

[Aulos]

Well from what I hear is that homosexuals are getting more rights than Christians. One story I heard from my parents, that a Christian photography business refused to do a homosexual wedding. The couple sued and actually won the case. Basically the rights of a business is less important than a homosexual couples right to have whatever business to photograph their wedding.

That is plain discrimination though. Regardless of your or my opinion on the rights of businesses, that's not an issue of "special rights" for homosexuals.

How has Christianity tainted it's own image? Besides the stupid crusades which shouldn't really count because that was the politics back in medieval Europe. How can Christianity ruin it's own image?

Oh yeah, it happened back in Medieval Europe, so it doesn't count! Right.

It actually makes no difference to me. The Roman Catholic Church did some absolutely terribly things. I don't care that the religion is different today. They have continued to do bad, and continue to do bad even today. And it takes them several hundred years to ever apologize for any of it. They're a very shady organization that has nothing to prove themselves with and always ends up on the wrong side of history regarding human's rights. And is always very proud about it, as well. You know until years after the group actually gains their rightful rights and discrimination and hatred toward that group is no longer accepted by the more progressive society.

(I don't mean that every single church, much less every single Christian is at fault, but generally they don't deserve a good image and it's all by their own doing.)

Quite honestly the Westboro Baptist Church is doing a bang up job of making the world think God is a malviolent and hateful God, who wants nothing more than to punish humanity for it's sins.

To be honest, I'm not convinced that's all of that inaccurate of an portrayal.

In the context of this thread I'd say the right to have elected officials kick out businesses just because an owner says something the gay community doesn't like. I think the expectation of stuff like that is why this issue is as heated as it is and unfortunately vicious.

That move is not actually a popular move from what I've seen. Neither among the LGBT people, nor the people who are supportive of the LGBT community and their rights.

[sunnyside]

They're more than a dozen. In fact the entire church is just one big hateful family... Literally.

I said a dozen or so because I think they've got more than 12. I'm not sure of their total numbers, but it's well below 100.

That is plain discrimination though. Regardless of your or my opinion on the rights of businesses, that's not an issue of "special rights" for homosexuals.

Except, in that case, it explicitly is a case of special rights. Generally businesses, especially ones that involve personal interactions and creating art have right to say "no". For example if you were a graphic artist or songwriter and the Westboro Baptists church thought their signs and slogans just weren't catchy enough to really spread the hate and wanted you to put together something for them, you could say "no." Or you could say no if you just thought the project sounded lame.

However that state had recently passed legislation saying that you can't say no to someone if you can't show the reason wasn't because they were gay. It explicitly gave that class of people special rights, or rather restricted the rights of others.

So when this company didn't want to photograph something they found distastful, they get to lose their company, unless they feel like operating in a position where they have to photograph whatever homosexuals ask them to or pay them a hefty sum of case.

That move is not actually a popular move from what I've seen. Neither among the LGBT people, nor the people who are supportive of the LGBT community and their rights.

I've seen a bit of that and find it reasuring. The bible does speak about homosexuality (well, there is some debate). But in any case it's not held up as especially bad, and Jesus isn't quoted as speaking on it. It's just there alongside lists of things like greed, envy, lying, boasting, and pride that are considered bad traits for a Christian to demonstrate.

However it obviously generates a much more intense response from religious folk and I think a chunk of the reason is that nobody expects to get sued for discriminating against someone because they're a lier, nor do they expect a political action committee of GELB (Greed Envy Lying Boasting) people to attack them. However it's easy to get Christians scared of those things regarding the LGBTQ community.

In part because those things are already happening. But I think this is a trend that could be changed.

I don't mean that every single church, much less every single Christian is at fault, but generally they don't deserve a good image and it's all by their own doing

I think there was a change in how Christianity acted once it's scope became that of entire countries. (Well, and as a protestant I think the Catholics were completely shanghaied.)

Origionally it sounds like Christians were the sort of people you wanted to be around, even if you thought they were nuts (with the not lying and whatnot). I think that's part of why Christianity spread despite persecution.

Well, I suppose initially people could just wander down to the Palestinian region and ask people about what they saw, but after a couple generations you'd just have stories, and the religion had spread far enough it would be really hard to make the trip.

For a time Christians have had it good about not being persecuted, especially in America with that whole first amendment thing. However as those protections crumble I find Christians want to respond to threats of persecution with anger and aggression. I suppose that's understandable, but not especially "Christian". Which is why I'm supportive of LGBTQ individuals and rights in general.

[GX7]

Oh yeah, it happened back in Medieval Europe, so it doesn't count! Right.

It actually makes no difference to me. The Roman Catholic Church did some absolutely terribly things. I don't care that the religion is different today. They have continued to do bad, and continue to do bad even today. And it takes them several hundred years to ever apologize for any of it. They're a very shady organization that has nothing to prove themselves with and always ends up on the wrong side of history regarding human's rights. And is always very proud about it, as well. You know until years after the group actually gains their rightful rights and discrimination and hatred toward that group is no longer accepted by the more progressive society.

(I don't mean that every single church, much less every single Christian is at fault, but generally they don't deserve a good image and it's all by their own doing.)

Let's count their offenses shall we? They judge by denying communion, they killed many innocent people during the crusades because they thought those "godless" people deserve death, let's not forget the fact that the crusaders were "forgiven" of their sins without a confession, Joan of Arc was put to death because a bishop was donkey, the knights templar were tortured and killed by the church because a certain king couldn't pay back his loan. There are more but I'm not going to name them right now. I do agree that the church has become a shady organization. Makes you wonder what will happen whenever the rapture takes place. Will all Catholics get left behind? Most likely... The scary thing is that I have an uncle, cousins and life long friends who are Catholic. Heck, my first Catholic funeral was when my aunt died of brain cancer.

[sunnyside]

Christianity's image is being tainted by that damned Phelps family in Kansas.

That is so annoying. They're tiny, just a dozen people or so, but they get insane amounts of press.

More rights than everyone else? What are these rights that homosexuals are 'demanding' that you are speaking of that are 'more' than anyone else?

In the context of this thread I'd say the right to have elected officials kick out businesses just because an owner says something the gay community doesn't like. I think the expectation of stuff like that is why this issue is as heated as it is and unfortunately vicious.

[GX7]

That is so annoying. They're tiny, just a dozen people or so, but they get insane amounts of press.



In the context of this thread I'd say the right to have elected officials kick out businesses just because an owner says something the gay community doesn't like. I think the expectation of stuff like that is why this issue is as heated as it is and unfortunately vicious.

They're more than a dozen. In fact the entire church is just one big hateful family... Literally.

[Kaleohano]

ATTENTION EVERYONE!

@Miss Moonlight has disliked my comment and given me a bad rep, because it states that i dislike homosexuality, but do not discriminate against homosexuals. She says that i only said i don't discriminate as BS to make myself look better. I think anyone who knows me, knows full well that i do not add BS to make myself look better.

I wrote her this PM, but she said in her previous message that i shouldn't respond. This is here so she actually reads my message.
You are all welcome to join in to this little war.


Homosexuality. I think its gross. The idea of two same sex individuals doing certain things in private is one i'm uncomfortable with. However, i don't treat them differently because of it (ask some of my gay friends if you don't believe me.) you're the same way. want an example?

Do you treat your mother different from other people even though in the back of your mind you know she at some point was probably on her knees begging your dad to ***********************************
I'll probably get into some deep s**t if i go into detail. But my point is made. Does talking about your mothers dirty sex life not feel a bit uncomfortable? The thought of what a dirty little freak she was or maybe still is?
Its uncomfortable, but you don't treat her differently because of it.

I'm the same way when it gets to homosexuality. The idea is one i find uncomfortable. But i don't treat them differently as people.

[wolfgirl90]

Homosexuality. I think its gross. The idea of two same sex individuals doing certain things in private is one i'm uncomfortable with. However, i don't treat them differently because of it (ask some of my gay friends if you don't believe me.) you're the same way. want an example?

Do you treat your mother different from other people even though in the back of your mind you know she at some point was probably on her knees begging your dad to ***********************************
I'll probably get into some deep s**t if i go into detail. But my point is made. Does talking about your mothers dirty sex life not feel a bit uncomfortable? The thought of what a dirty little freak she was or maybe still is?
Its uncomfortable, but you don't treat her differently because of it.

I'm the same way when it gets to homosexuality. The idea is one i find uncomfortable. But i don't treat them differently as people.

Well, allow me to toss my hat into this ring.

Here's the thing. Even though I'm bisexual, I don't really mind the fact that some people are uncomfortable about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so as long as you treat me like a regular person, then we are fine.

However, it should be noted that the whole "your-lifestyle-is-utterly-disgusting-and-abhorrent-to-me-but-I-like-you-anyway" statement is one that doesn't usually go very well. Its one thing to be a bit uncomfortable about homosexuality and leaving it at that and quite another to compare it to someone's "dirty sex life". I think your initial post was just fine; honest and straight forward. But reading your private message makes me want to punch you in the jaw.

First, it should be noted that bringing up the sex lives of one's parents is NOT a good idea if you want them to understand your position (I don't think you shot yourself in the foot; I think you shot it clear off).

Second, in response to your (hopefully) hypothetical question, I really doesn't care what my mother has done sexually in the past because I'm a grown woman who doesn't care what people do in private. I don't think about it because I have my own life (and my own dirty sex life). Since my parents never married, there are a myriad of possibilities of what my parents were doing in the past or what they still do. Hell, the story of how they met and developed a relationship is already out of the ordinary and ripe for an anime. Maybe the story is true; maybe its a lie. Maybe my dad is my mom's pimp. Maybe my dad has my mom under a sexually submissive contract "Fifty Shade of Grey" style. Who knows. I don't know, but since I'm grown and she's grown, I don't particularly care about she's doing. She a consenting adult and my father is a consenting adult. I don't care about what they do.

So I certainly don't think about it. Its not in the back of my head. If it was, it might mean that I probably have some demons that I need to work out.

 

If it seems as if I am making parallels to homophobia...then you have guessed right and earned a cookie.

 

Sugar or chocolate chip only.

 

No rain checks.

I think I need some chicken. Anybody know some good places for chicken?