Internet Surveillance?

[Trippy Hippie]

Is the Conservative Party of canada seriously going to start surveilling everything we do on the internet? Like come on, makes me want to leave even more now. Are they really going to do it? What do you think of it?

[Skilero]

I am not a Canadian, but I do know that their socialistic policies are chopping the country on its knees. Socialism and Communism require power and control over a given population. To remain consistent with this fact, the regulation or monitoring of private internet activities would be sensible on their part.

The government is taxing you, the government is commanding you, and now the government is watching you look up pornography.

[Skylar1]

I am not a Canadian, but I do know that their socialistic policies are chopping the country on its knees. Socialism and Communism require power and control over a given population. To remain consistent with this fact, the regulation or monitoring of private internet activities would be sensible on their part.

The government is taxing you, the government is commanding you, and now the government is watching you look up pornography.

what do economic policies have to do with government surveillance?

[Skilero]

what do economic policies have to do with government surveillance?

In the two fields of thought there aren't too many theories or rules being thrown around for government surveillance. In practice, as you so commonly hear with the two, things are different from theory.

Basically, with great power comes great reponsibility. People in government are becoming increasingly irresponsible because the benefits for government positions nowadays are in all the wrong places. So we have irresponsible people in control. Now let's get to how the trickle-down effect comes into play from the regulation and surveillance of the economy...

If the socialist or communist government has irresponsible people in it who are given the task of responsibly regulating the market, what do you think will happen? Now let's look at how people's money is taken from higher-ups and given to the poverty-stricken in socialism and communism...

If, say, I am a middle-class Canadian paying into the government and my economy is tanking when the money I spend in taxes to help the government which would normally douse the economy is really being spent on corrupt, irresponsible biddings, then I'll have a strong opinion against those in power (as will many of those around me). Now there's a lot of upset people in the country. From here I can summarize the outcome with a Benjamin Franklin quote,

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

So before any trouble breaks out from the growing tensions caused by a bad economy or tanking government, what people say and do can be regulated and surveillanced to ensure the "welfare" of the current government and economy.

Stretching on a limb, we can even make connections between the protests in Europe (specifically France) and potential protests in Canada. It is not overly far-fetched to say the Canadian government already sees protest overseas as a problem - let alone they could just be taking precautionary measures in maintaining an equilibrium between society and government that is required to run government-economy involved systems like socialism.

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Oh, come on! It's not like I ever get any post likes all that often... ;p

[Acnologia]

I am not a Canadian, but I do know that their socialistic policies are chopping the country on its knees. Socialism and Communism require power and control over a given population. To remain consistent with this fact, the regulation or monitoring of private internet activities would be sensible on their part.

The government is taxing you, the government is commanding you, and now the government is watching you look up pornography.

Are you serious? I could rant and rave about what's wrong with this post but I'll get the point.

You clearly know very little of Canada, if it weren't for the policies that are apparently ~socialist~ there'd be no social security net, no help for those who lose their jobs, no welfare. I know there's people who think the less fortunate are somehow less of human beings and should ~get jobs~ but it's not that easy. Everyone can be useful in society, only in helping each other can a country truly grow. Maybe you need to look up socialism before you rag on it. It's NOT the same as communism

And you may not like Taxes, but without them, where's your police services, where's your fire services, where's your ambulatory services? Taxes help the government pay for public welfare.

[Skilero]

Are you serious? I could rant and rave about what's wrong with this post but I'll get the point.

You clearly know very little of Canada, if it weren't for the policies that are apparently ~socialist~ there'd be no social security net, no help for those who lose their jobs, no welfare. I know there's people who think the less fortunate are somehow less of human beings and should ~get jobs~ but it's not that easy. Everyone can be useful in society, only in helping each other can a country truly grow. Maybe you need to look up socialism before you rag on it. It's NOT the same as communism

And you may not like Taxes, but without them, where's your police services, where's your fire services, where's your ambulatory services? Taxes help the government pay for public welfare.

The taxes nonsense was for humerous overtone. If you read my other post I go into further explanation about my post (there was post delay, and I understand - please respond to that post too when you read these statements). I know very little of Canada.

So, as I'd said in my reiterations, with great power comes great responsibility when, at the same time, politicians are curropt. Communism and socialism can be related to eachother because, on an extremely simplified note, they involve some form of public/private-sector control. Communism fails hard because it takes a lot of power to run a communist system - power that will only be spoiled by those in power. Because in reality, only an imitation of a perfect society is created with Communism because of the fact that those in power are absolute and can disrupt anything at any time (where they will in their irresponsible biddings). Socialism can succeed and last much longer than Communism because the amount of power needed for control is much lesser than Communism's. However, power is power and that power often grows out of the government's irresponsibility in the form of regulation and survellance to procure special interests and the public's illusion of a near-perfect society.

I don't want this fact to develop into a debate about whether capitalism's better than socialism or not, but it has been shown that capitalist systems more beneficial in developing strong economies (that's not to say government intervention should be non-existent - it is kept to a nearly nonexistent level in these terms) than other forms of government can be. Like when the Cold War was out, Communism and Capitalism - in a way - went neck-and-neck in an economic battle. What people consistently forget about Communism's part in that battle though is that went off of economic growth from the previous years' holodomorwiki in order to continue with a steady output of goods for a strong economy. The Cold War did not happen during the Holodomor, but it got an economic boost from it and other famines. When the time came for a demand of output in the Soviet Union, however, I think we can rest assured in saying that things like worker's rights were the least of anyone's concerns.

[Skylar1]

In the two fields of thought there aren't too many theories or rules being thrown around for government surveillance. In practice, as you so commonly hear with the two, things are different from theory.

government surveillance is a social issue, not an economic one.

Basically, with great power comes great reponsibility. People in government are becoming increasingly irresponsible because the benefits for government positions nowadays are in all the wrong places.

????

So we have irresponsible people in control.

show me an example of this part

Now let's get to how the trickle-down effect comes into play from the regulation and surveillance of the economy...

ummmm, dude. trickle-down theory is capitalism policy for reducing taxes for high income and businesses.

do you even know what terms you're using here?

If the socialist or communist government has irresponsible people in it who are given the task of responsibly regulating the market, what do you think will happen? Now let's look at how people's money is taken from higher-ups and given to the poverty-stricken in socialism and communism...

I could explain to you why what you said doesn't make sense, but I'll stick to asking what that has to do with government surveillance for now

If, say, I am a middle-class Canadian paying into the government and my economy is tanking when the money I spend in taxes to help the government which would normally douse the economy is really being spent on corrupt, irresponsible biddings, then I'll have a strong opinion against those in power (as will many of those around me). Now there's a lot of upset people in the country.


So before any trouble breaks out from the growing tensions caused by a bad economy or tanking government, what people say and do can be regulated and surveillanced to ensure the "welfare" of the current government and economy.

you're basically comparing a democracy to north korea.

Stretching on a limb, we can even make connections between the protests in Europe (specifically France) and potential protests in Canada. It is not overly far-fetched to say the Canadian government already sees protest overseas as a problem - let alone they could just be taking precautionary measures in maintaining an equilibrium between society and government that is required to run government-economy involved systems like socialism.

this is conspiracy theory

[Assiduous✡Aristocrat]

there'd be no social security net, no help for those who lose their jobs, no welfare. I know there's people who think the less fortunate are somehow less of human beings and should ~get jobs~ but it's not that easy.

I'd be fine with those not being around.

And yes, yes it is.

[Skilero]

government surveillance is a social issue, not an economic one.

????

show me an example of this part


ummmm, dude. trickle-down theory is capitalism policy for reducing taxes for high income and businesses.

do you even know what terms you're using here?


I could explain to you why what you said doesn't make sense, but I'll stick to asking what that has to do with government surveillance for now


you're basically comparing a democracy to north korea.


this is conspiracy theory

1. What I failed to say there was that economic issues translate into social issues for citizens, which translates into jeopardized job security for politicians, which translates into added job security in tracking anything formidable that would try to go against said politicians.
2. There was a time, long ago, when being a politician was a one-shot job instead of a lifetime profession and it was supposed to be a dignifying career choice in a person's life.
3. Irresponsibility can be characterized in special interests, mainly.
4. I used the term 'trickle-down effect' in its broader sense outside the terms of economics to describe the relationship between a bad economy and how that leads to (or 'trickles down to') weaker job secuirty for politicians.
5. I'm introducing my claim against socialism and communism in its requirements of economic control through things like 'spreading wealth'.
6. I'm comparing a trend in a parliamentary democracy to an evident attribute of any country looking to keep ahold of its irresponsible tendencies. I'm glad you mentioned North Korea because it is an excellent exaggerated example of how power in a country is necessary to maintain a 'peace' when corruption presides.
7. I was speaking honestly when I said that. I said I was stretching out on a limb there, but if you look at French-Canadian relations and how close Canadian politics are to European politics, it would most definitely make sense if protests sparked in Canada from the Europeans' protests. The government's surveillance or censoring of the internet could definitely be in response to that.