George Zimmerman found "not guilty"
The trial is over. The jury has found George Zimmerman acquitted on both "murder" and "manslaughter" charges.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-degree-murde/
It's over now. Or is it? I fear there will now be riots by those who were hoping for a "guilty" verdict. I fear there will be, and they may get very bad before the police can bring order. I also fear for Zimmerman, that someone may try to kill him as they try to dish out their own "justice" because they are angry that he wasn't found guilty of murder.
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Hate to say it, but I called it. Cue the riots now!
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I will hire a personal assassin for this one. He should not be allowed to live, honestly.
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I honestly think its so biased. Considering since its friends just covering his butt saying its his name... Like, I get they dont have anyone to prove whose voice it is, but the verdict should've been guilty in my opinion.
Brb, locking doors & windows.
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Well, it is a given fact that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. Everybody who has been following it all knows that. But the point of the trial was to prove he did it with evil intent, ill will, extreme prejudice and all that since it was for 2nd degree murder. The prosecution had no case and their witnesses did nothing more than give the case to the defense on a silver platter. Jeantel sealed the deal when she took the stand and made her and Martin the racists by testifying that Martin referred to Zimmerman as both a "cracker" and the n-word and answering that cracker is not a racist word, and saying she can't read cursive despite writing it herself. If any anger should be directed, it should be towards her for screwing everything up.
At the end of the day, this trial once again proves that laws and morals do not go hand and hand and that justice is truly blind, but can be heard.
As for the 911 tapes of who is calling for help, sadly we don't know since both families claim it is either Zimmerman or Martin. But I thought given the testimonies and the evidence, a not guilty verdict (under the charges of 2nd degree murder) was inevitable. Whatever the prosecution had, it went to hell in a hand basket. Hell, even the judge showed a demeanor that she was siding the prosecution and it still went to hell in a hand basket.
As for whether or not Zimmerman followed him. To what extend we don't know. Was he following him after he called the dispatcher? Did he go back to his car and get ambushed? Well, we will never know. But according to my friends who are dispatchers, he was talking to a civilian dispatcher on a non-emergency line. They can't give orders and you don't have to obey their instructions. The dispatcher said he "didn't need to follow him." He said that he couldn't or shouldn't. He didn't give it in an orderly way. Only those who wear a badge in emergency situations can do that.
I don't condone what Zimmerman did, but given the facts, under the conditions to get a guilty verdict and how the trial played out, this was the outcome and he is likely to win his lawsuit with NBC. And maybe his wife will get probation or a fine for committing perjury. Not sure about Jeantel though.
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ParaParaJMo
At the end of the day, this trial once again proves that laws and morals do not go hand and hand and that justice is truly blind, but can be heard.
What do you think would have been just in this case? Do you think Zimmerman should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder or a lesser charge? What would have been the moral outcome?
A lot of assumptions where made about this case to damn Zimmerman. It's about as fair to assume Zimmerman was a racist as it was to assume that Martin was in the neighborhood to break into homes. When you look past "white man lynches black kid" narrative which was created before most of the facts were known, you realize the prosecution had a tough case.
Because the best judgement that could be made here is "I don't know." It's reasonable to think Zimmerman killed Martin purposefully. It's just as reasonable to assume Martin gave Zimmerman a reason to fear for his life and shoot back. If Zimmerman was telling the truth, then his actions were perfectly condonable.
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Well, under the 2nd degree charge, the prosecution had to prove that he did it with ill will, bad intentions, and with no regards to human life. There was no evidence or testimony to support that. I say if they charged him with manslaughter, the state could have built a case on that. Of course the jury had that option at the last second but the case was already lost.
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No doubt someone will take justice into their own hands....probably.... I dunno I'm on a psychic or mind reader
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I will say this much about the case, on Monday, people will be talking about it like its the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity. They will say that in this day in age, racial typed things like this shouldnt happen. How its unfair, how there is no justice, or that he really did defend himself. That George Zimmerman was just some racist psuedo-cop, or Trayvon was some little punk with no respect for anybody.
Then the next week, it will completely drop off radar and we will be on the 'next' case.
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It seemed like he was guilty until proven innocent rather than vice-versa.
I don't know why a case like this got the attention it did when there are far more important cases being decided.
I don't think he should have shot the kid, but in moments where you think your life is in danger, I doubt you will really take your time to survey your attacker on whether or not he has a weapon. If Zimmerman used it in self defense then I don't see what the problem is.
Imo this should have been a weapon issue, not a racial one.
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Still no riots... I'm utterly disappointed.
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People in Florida celebrating, smh.
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SigmaSD
It seemed like he was guilty until proven innocent rather than vice-versa.
I don't know why a case like this got the attention it did when there are far more important cases being decided.
I don't think he should have shot the kid, but in moments where you think your life is in danger, I doubt you will really take your time to survey your attacker on whether or not he has a weapon. If Zimmerman used it in self defense then I don't see what the problem is.
Imo this should have been a weapon issue, not a racial one.
Nah, it's always about race.
Anyone remember Troy Davis?
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I will hire a personal assassin for this one. He should not be allowed to live, honestly.
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KawaiiAi
I honestly think its so biased. Considering since its friends just covering his butt saying its his name... Like, I get they dont have anyone to prove whose voice it is, but the verdict should've been guilty in my opinion.
Brb, locking doors & windows.
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ParaParaJMo
But I thought given the testimonies and the evidence, a not guilty verdict (under the charges of 2nd degree murder) was inevitable. Whatever the prosecution had, it went to hell in a hand basket. Hell, even the judge showed a demeanor that she was siding the prosecution and it still went to hell in a hand basket.
While I appreciate how things seemed at the beginning of this (I think there's some thread here from when this first came up where the story was about a straight up killing of a little 13 year old kid), it seems like the evidence really makes Zimmerman's version of thing seem more likely.
Initially saying that someone was acting suspicious and like they were on drugs seemed like thinly veiled racism when Zimmerman said he though Trayvon was acting suspicions and like he was on drugs. However it sounds like instead of going around through the entrance Trayvon cut through some peoples backyards and around between houses, and he WAS on drugs. (I don't think they released the amount of drug, but he might have actually been moving a little weird. )
Even if the girlfriends version of the story, Trayvon was the one that went up to Zimmerman.
Of course there isn't any proof of exactly what happened next. It just seems really weird that Zimmerman would just start swinging at Trayvon. Trayvon was bigger than he was, and Zimmerman knew a cop was on the way, if he hurt Martin and wasn't injured himself in any way he'd definitly be in trouble. Also there wasn't any indication Trayvon had been hit or anything.
Zimmerman however had injuries, a witness indicated they thought Trayvon was on top, and forensics shows that Trayvons clothes where away from his body when shot, and while possible to have that happen other ways, it also seems to indicate Trayvon was on top. And it sounds from the call like Trayvon had been whupping Zimmerman for a good 40 seconds before the shot.
Sad it happened. But I seems like a "not guilty" verdict was the only reasonable conclusion. Especially since you have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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This case was as much about justice as Segregation was about equality.
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That stupid Judge was so biased against Zimmerman, I am surprised she did not lynch him.
She allowed ridiculous "Evidence" against Zimmerman having nothing to do with the Case, but she would not allow Evidence proving Martin as a Criminal and Troublemaker to be allowed. If Zimmerman did not have a Gun, he might not be alive right now.
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People in Florida celebrating, smh.
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Nah, it's always about race.
Anyone remember Troy Davis?
Its not a race issue because the media only exploits certain cases and ignores others completely.
You know what the big issue was when you boil down to it??
Gun control.
Its too easy to get a hold of a gun today. If Zimmerman was denied a gun because of a stricter code then he wouldve gotten his ass kicked and Martin wouldve been charged with assault. If he did pass and still had access to a gun, then it would be apparent he understood the gun laws and the case wouldve wrapped up much quicker.
The media obviously had some agenda with this case for it to have blown up the way it did while ignoring other big cases like Bradley Manning, Levi Chavez and Christopher Harris
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Ωmega
You know what the big issue was when you boil down to it??
Gun control.
No, the real issue is lack of cameras. If there were cameras on those streets we would know what really went down--hell, they probably wouldn't even been an altercation. It's not as if there is a freedom-vs-security issue involved in putting cameras on every street or anything. No way. Every time there is a crime that lacks cameras, it's a camera issue.
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Wio
No, the real issue is lack of cameras. If there were cameras on those streets we would know what really went down--hell, they probably wouldn't even been an altercation. It's not as if there is a freedom-vs-security issue involved in putting cameras on every street or anything. No way. Every time there is a crime that lacks cameras, it's a camera issue.
Spooky to a degree but maybe.
Although maybe I hsould pick up one of these:
http://www.guncam.com/pistols.html
I'm sure ZImmerman wishs he had.
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Ωmega
Its too easy to get a hold of a gun today. If Zimmerman was denied a gun because of a stricter code then he wouldve gotten his ass kicked and Martin wouldve been charged with assault.
I do support the idea that to get a concealed carry permit you should know the laws and probably some other important concepts like the whole "monkey dance" thing. I imagine there's wide support on that, but I think a lot of people are worried any restriction would be abused to ban guns the way giving local law enforcement any discretion on who can get a concealed permit, which seems reasonable at first, is used to keep people unarmed.
That said there's no way to know how Zimmerman would have come out if he was unarmed. Even if Trayvon just meant to beat him until he lost consciiousness so he could swagger off that could easily result in permanent injury or death. There's also no guarantee Trayvon would have gotten caught since he was quite close to where he could get indoors and the rain would probably ruin prints and other evidence.
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Wio
No, the real issue is lack of cameras. If there were cameras on those streets we would know what really went down--hell, they probably wouldn't even been an altercation. It's not as if there is a freedom-vs-security issue involved in putting cameras on every street or anything. No way. Every time there is a crime that lacks cameras, it's a camera issue.
Very true
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Wio
No, the real issue is lack of cameras. If there were cameras on those streets we would know what really went down--hell, they probably wouldn't even been an altercation. It's not as if there is a freedom-vs-security issue involved in putting cameras on every street or anything. No way. Every time there is a crime that lacks cameras, it's a camera issue.
For once, I agree with you.
It would cease all the asspull arguments and have stronger evidence.
