Obama wants to get rid of all nuclear weapons

[Mavericker]

Here's the article:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE5332AK20090404?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

I think it's a smart move.

[Xieshunnuan]

Hmm, I don't think it's that bad of an idea unless other countries are still going to use and make it behind the US. Other than that it sounds good.

[Memento Mori]

There's always the possibility other countries such as North Korea will produce nuclear arms while we are defenseless.

While I believe it would be nice to think that removing weapons from the USA would make everything tons better around the globe, there's always at least one country that will have a power-hungry ruler.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Asking is fine albeit useless. There is no way to simply wish the nuclear genie back into it's bottle.

[Heinekenrana]

He's at least making an attempt to make a good show of it, but sadly I don't think it's going to faze countries like North Korea. I might be vastly incorrect, but I get the feeling their weapons are like the one trump card they have, and they won't relinquish it so easily just based on his asking.

It would be nice to think so, however.

[tsujigiri15]

Asking is fine albeit useless. There is no way to simply wish the nuclear genie back into it's bottle.

This is basically it - I dont see either how one country disarming will improve matters. Maybe Im being needlessly pessimistic, but isnt the difference between 1000 and 2000 missiles almost academic - in that either number will devistate most major cities in all but the largest countries? So while any reduction has got to be a step in the right direction, without 'team america - world police' as it were (and lets face it, in the real world its not as simple as dicks, pussies and a$$holes...) - does it make a difference if someone with nothing to loose has one or 2, and everyone else still has enough to remove a planet surface

On a side note, as a Brit I have been deeply impressed by obama over the last few days - I really hope he can deliver on all his clever ideas and speaches - if anyone around atm can, its him

[Amray The II]

I bet you that in a future day they will broadcast that he did dispose of them appropriately, and follow it with a little bit of evidence, although in reality he will have one sectretly hiding under his bed.

One can never be too safe these days.

[None of the above]

Asking is fine albeit useless. There is no way to simply wish the nuclear genie back into it's bottle.

Proven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Physiker) by Dürrenmatt.

[AF SUCKS]

This is basically it - I dont see either how one country disarming will improve matters. Maybe Im being needlessly pessimistic, but isnt the difference between 1000 and 2000 missiles almost academic - in that either number will devistate most major cities in all but the largest countries? So while any reduction has got to be a step in the right direction, without 'team america - world police' as it were (and lets face it, in the real world its not as simple as dicks, pussies and a$$holes...) - does it make a difference if someone with nothing to loose has one or 2, and everyone else still has enough to remove a planet surface

On a side note, as a Brit I have been deeply impressed by obama over the last few days - I really hope he can deliver on all his clever ideas and speaches - if anyone around atm can, its him
You know it would take only 18 simultanious 30 kiliton nuclear detonations to obliterate life and render this planet unlivable. Both the US and Russia had this capability 75 times over, and that a nuclear war would pretty much be over the second these 18 bombs went off.

Today both the US and Russia have this capability to burn this planet to a cinder 20 times over, not much of an improvement. Like someone mentioned earlier, we cannot put that genie back in the bottle, but we can contain it. The idea that these "rouge" nations and their nuclear ambitions should be the reason we maintain an asenal is total BS.

The Cold War is over, we need to disarm.

[Inferno Alchemist]

^ I agree. Even just one nuke would severly damage our planet. If people go firing nukes everywhere, we can kiss everything good bye. I think all nukes should be destroyed, they are of no use.

[AF SUCKS]

Well, we might need them one day if the Cylons ever attack.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[Amray The II]

I think all nukes should be destroyed, they are of no use.

They are good to threaten other nations with, although now that most nations posess them or are a neighbouring or allied country to one that does, threats would not work anymore. I would say that nuclear weapons are a pointless existence for the present and the future.

No nation is going to use them unless their government suddenly goes totally insane, so of course this world would be better without them lingering. Countries often have wars for land, money, earthly resources, and other such things: thus demolishing big nations, or even half or the entire world, with a nuclear war is just seriously silly. Only a seriously mad-man/woman would actually do it....an idiot.

[Mavericker]

Well, we might need them one day if the Cylons ever attack.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

You're still an idiot-firstly when I was posting at the ASMB I didn't give out my real name and address-luni-tunz and alcuard82 called themselves getting back at me by trying to dig up info about me. I'm not caucasian and I don't teach gym classes.

My mother is a radio pastor:

http://beholdthelambministriesint.weebly.com/

That's my mother right there.

Where in the ASMB rules does it say you can't appeal to the mods/admins if you are Ip banned?

[Zenga]

A noble gesture but what will we use to threaten people with?

But in all seriousness, it's a great gesture, but I can only guess at what come out of this. Maybe the other nations will get rid of their nuclear stockpile, or they'll blow the U.S. to smithereens since the rest of the world seems to hate us so much.

[AF SUCKS]

You're still an idiot-firstly when I was posting at the ASMB I didn't give out my real name and address-luni-tunz and alcuard82 called themselves getting back at me by trying to dig up info about me. I'm not caucasian and I don't teach gym classes.

My mother is a radio pastor:

http://beholdthelambministriesint.weebly.com/

That's my mother right there.

Where in the ASMB rules does it say you can't appeal to the mods/admins if you are Ip banned?
I thought I put you on my ignore list.

Anyway, you were IP banned for making a death threat list and there is no appeal. The Admins orders there is to ban you on sight, no matter what.

They're not even willing to listen to any appeal so it should be clear that you can't appeal. See, with the [as] mb, if you break the rules hard enough then you're never allowed to go back.

Understand?

[LiLi.]

Go Obama~
Actually, probably keep one or two :/

[SeraphimTwilightDelight]

I thought I put you on my ignore list.

Anyway, you were IP banned for making a death threat list and there is no appeal. The Admins orders there is to ban you on sight, no matter what.

They're not even willing to listen to any appeal so it should be clear that you can't appeal. See, with the [as] mb, if you break the rules hard enough then you're never allowed to go back.

Understand?

I don't think yellow7 even understands if it's is able to derail it's thread like in a loony rant.

The funny thing is when it's flushed and mad it gives away details about fearing the women's delicate flower, knowing what it's sister smells and looks like down there, where it lives, beating women, forcing women to bend to it's will, and other hilarious asininity.

It had the audacity to deny the threat and ask why it was the devil.

On topic, Decommissioned nuclear warheads have been and are being dismantled to be used in consumer energy in the north american.
(http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf41.html#military)

[Infinita]

I think it's a good yet bad idea. See, with having nuclear weapons, we kinda kept a balance of power, with everyone else having some nuclear weapons, no one actually felt threatened. But if he were to get rid of them, some would feel that they would have superior power due to the fact the U.S. has no nuclear arms. Then there would be lots of conflicts arising from that. If Obama wanted no nuclear arms and didn't want to feel threatened, I think they should make it a global issue and just get rid of all nuclear arms.

[AF SUCKS]

I don't think yellow7 even understands if it's is able to derail it's thread like in a loony rant.

The funny thing is when it's flushed and mad it gives away details about fearing the women's delicate flower, knowing what it's sister smells and looks like down there, where it lives, beating women, forcing women to bend to it's will, and other hilarious asininity.

It had the audacity to deny the threat and ask why it was the devil.

On topic, Decommissioned nuclear warheads have been and are being dismantled to be used in consumer energy in the north american.
(http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf41.html#military)
See, I think it's his modis operendai, make a semi legit topic then steer it back to his rant about...............whatever.

How many times did he do this over at [as]? 10, 15 thousand times?

[SeraphimTwilightDelight]

See, I think it's his modis operendai, make a semi legit topic then steer it back to his rant about...............whatever.

How many times did he do this over at [as]? 10, 15 thousand times?

Too many to count.

[Mavericker]

I thought I put you on my ignore list.

Anyway, you were IP banned for making a death threat list and there is no appeal. The Admins orders there is to ban you on sight, no matter what.

They're not even willing to listen to any appeal so it should be clear that you can't appeal. See, with the [as] mb, if you break the rules hard enough then you're never allowed to go back.

Understand?

I was ip banned before the threats. I was Ip banned for past behaviour and other threats.


I don't think yellow7 even understands if it's is able to derail it's thread like in a loony rant.

The funny thing is when it's flushed and mad it gives away details about fearing the women's delicate flower, knowing what it's sister smells and looks like down there, where it lives, beating women, forcing women to bend to it's will, and other hilarious asininity.

It had the audacity to deny the threat and ask why it was the devil.

On topic, Decommissioned nuclear warheads have been and are being dismantled to be used in consumer energy in the north american.


I asked you to stop calling me Yellow7- it's harassment.

[AF SUCKS]

What harassment?

What you're doing to us is harassment. Both Seraphim and I want to be members on this site and you're being here with your grudge from another site is infringing on our right to enjoy this site.

Face it yellow, all that stuff happened a year ago and you keep pouring salt in your own wound. From now on if I get these kind of posts from you I'm going to report it to the moderators on top of the 5 PM's you sent me in the last day that were harassment too. It's now in your best interest to just leave Heinekenrama, Seraphim and myself alone.

[Prince Darien]

I am in favour of banning nuclear weapons; however, it will probably not happen.

They have become near useless. Actual nuclear warfare only works if one is the only country with them. It is the only time they are viable tactically as offensive weapons. If Japan had an atom bomb during War World Two we would not have used them. The point of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was to shock Imperial Japan into submission.

Once two opponents have nuclear weapons, the mutally assured destruction scenerio(sp). Nuclear weapons are then only useful as defense, as a theat. It becomes a game of who is crazier than who. Well, at least making the other person think you are crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon.

If anyone was to actually use a nuclear weapon as an offensive weapon now, their country would get occupied and their people punished.

If another country were to say set off a nuclear bomb in Washington DC, they would simply anger every American, and their country would be invaded within a week by America and an International contingent.

On the other hand if some set off several nuclear bombs across the US, enough to kill a large percentage of the population (say 30%) instantly and make life for the rest miserable, you would find some nutjob general here willing to make the call and bomb humanity off of the face of the globe.

[blackrosetwilight]

Yeah Im in favor of banning nukes, but closing that door might open up other doors for other weapon of mass destruction to take its place like giant robots, super psychic soldier, death ray, giant mutant monsters, global warming, bunnies, that annoying kid next door, flux capaciter, ect....

[Zenga]

Yeah Im in favor of banning nukes, but closing that door might open up other doors for other weapon of mass destruction to take its place like giant robots, super psychic soldier, death ray, giant mutant monsters, global warming, bunnies, that annoying kid next door, flux capaciter, ect....

All very cliche weapons, who hasn't heard of giant robots? Now 12 foot heavily armored rabbits armed with metallic claws and a taste for human flesh...now there's a horrible yet adorable weapon of mass desrtuction.

But in all seriousness, if we get rid of the nuclear weapons, what will follow in it's steps? It's better to stick with old weapons that you know, than with new ones that are probably much worse.

[Archaic Devices]

Hm we just did this issue in a local debate team. Well I think that this will be impossible because I HIGHLY doubt that the United States will give up every nuclear weapon. Even if we do, do you really think the other countries will? This is a good idea, but highly unlikely. Obama may have these "great" ideas but can he really put them into effect?

[Eris]

Hm we just did this issue in a local debate team. Well I think that this will be impossible because I HIGHLY doubt that the United States will give up every nuclear weapon. Even if we do, do you really think the other countries will? This is a good idea, but highly unlikely. Obama may have these "great" ideas but can he really put them into effect?

The only protection against nuclear war is peace.

The problem is that these weapons are so effective that nothing can stop them. Even more destructive than detonating close to the ground is detonating in the upper atmosphere. If you detonate a nuclear warhead in such a fashion, it will destroy all unshielded electric infrastructure of a continent. Which basically means that everything with a computer that isn't military is instantly and permanently rendered useless. There would not be a single operational office on the continent, and very few factories would still work. No computers. No telephone. Most modern cars would be beyond repair. Power plants would shut down. Anarchy would reign for months, if not years. It would take decades to rebuild the infrastructure.

[AF SUCKS]

Hm we just did this issue in a local debate team. Well I think that this will be impossible because I HIGHLY doubt that the United States will give up every nuclear weapon. Even if we do, do you really think the other countries will? This is a good idea, but highly unlikely. Obama may have these "great" ideas but can he really put them into effect?

When has any president not said he's going to do something radical and never follow through. I think it's a noble request, but in light of other countries like France, India, Pakistan, the United Kingdom and the beloved former Soviet Union still keeping an arsenal there's little if any chance it gets through congress. Guarantee that any bill he presents that doesn't keep a "sizable" amount of active weapons in our militarys possesion gets killed in the House.

[Mavericker]

delete

[Mavericker]

What harassment?

What you're doing to us is harassment. Both Seraphim and I want to be members on this site and you're being here with your grudge from another site is infringing on our right to enjoy this site.

Face it yellow, all that stuff happened a year ago and you keep pouring salt in your own wound. From now on if I get these kind of posts from you I'm going to report it to the moderators on top of the 5 PM's you sent me in the last day that were harassment too. It's now in your best interest to just leave Heinekenrama, Seraphim and myself alone.

No you're harassing me by bringing that garbage to this site, and posting lies and slander about me. I never posted personal info about myself-alcuard82 and luni-tunz tried to. You ruined a perfectly good thread, and that wasn't your business to tell people what I do on other sites.
MY NAME IS MAVERICKER, and I am so sorry I "threatened" you.

AS I told you:

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Mefereecker-2, Mefereecker3, all me

That is the TRUTH-DON'T LIKE IT TOUGH

I am going to find out who's alt Heinekenrana is.


Pouring salt on wounds? Yeah right.
BTW I ought to do to you what you did to me.

[SeraphimTwilightDelight]

No you're harassing me by bringing that garbage to this site, and posting lies and slander about me. I never posted personal info about myself-alcuard82 and luni-tunz tried to. You ruined a perfectly good thread, and that wasn't your business to tell people what I do on other sites.
MY NAME IS MAVERICKER, and I am so sorry I "threatened" you.

AS I told you:

My Mavericker profie at ASMB:

http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswi...user.id=441722 (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/profile?user.id=441722)

YES THAT IS ME, no one else calls themself Mavericker there.

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Mefereecker-2, Mefereecker3, all me

That is the TRUTH-DON'T LIKE IT TOUGH

I am going to find out who's alt Heinekenrana is.


Pouring salt on wounds? Yeah right.
BTW I ought to do to you what you did to me.

If those where lies y7, then why link all y7 old user name alts with misogynist, racist, and cherishing porn evidence all over your thread tracker?

We don't really care, Most ASMB members find y7 to be a daily dose entertainment with it ranting and raving. (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/profile?user.id=792088)

Y7 is a name that has stuck with it since y7 created it (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/tracker?user.id=727331)

[Mavericker]

If those where lies y7, then why link all y7 old user name alts with misogynist, racist, and cherishing porn evidence all over your thread tracker?

We don't really care, Most ASMB members find y7 to be a daily dose entertainment with it ranting and raving. (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/profile?user.id=792088)

Y7 is a name that has stuck with it since y7 created it (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/tracker?user.id=727331)

That's your problem.

Look at profile of Mavericker:
http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/profile?user.id=441722
Do you think I really care of clowns like you take me seriously?
Where did I ever say I cherish porn?

[Sanosuke23]

But in all seriousness, if we get rid of the nuclear weapons, what will follow in it's steps? It's better to stick with old weapons that you know, than with new ones that are probably much worse.

Typically it's the other way around. New weapons that are much worse replace old weapons that are inferior. The fact that pretty much the entire world's reaction to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was essentially "Jesus Christ!" probably means nobody's in any hurry to try and blow it out of the water(though there have been improvements on the original design).

Nuclear weapons are enough gun to destroy the planet, something gunpowder was never in any real danger of doing. If anyone does manage to make something worse, I can only applaud their innovation and then proceed to soil myself.


EDIT: @Seraphim, Heinekenrana(sic) and the other one whose language pack I don't have installed(comes out as 久里寿 to me, which probably looks right to you but is in fact a series of boxes with codes in them to me): Just let it go. If he attacks you unprovoked in other threads, report it and keep the thread moving regardless. Fun is fun, but this is getting to be downright annoying and I'm sure you'll all agree with me on that. Let him get himself banned for the umpteenth time, he'll be back again sooner or later to entertain the masses.

After all, if AF were an RPG Mavericker would be the recurring comic relief villain.


ps2huang would be the secret optional boss, naturally.

[Shinn Kamiyra]

Typically it's the other way around. New weapons that are much worse replace old weapons that are inferior. The fact that pretty much the entire world's reaction to Hiroshima and Nagasaki was essentially "Jesus Christ!" probably means nobody's in any hurry to try and blow it out of the water(though there have been improvements on the original design).

Nuclear weapons are enough gun to destroy the planet, something gunpowder was never in any real danger of doing. If anyone does manage to make something worse, I can only applaud their innovation and then proceed to soil myself.

I suppose that would all come into question with what you would consider to be worse. If you're speaking of a weapon that simply supersedes the destructive force of a nuclear weapon, a warhead for example, then I don't imagine that being too difficult to pull off given the right amount of time and research. If people really put their minds to it, I wouldn't be surprised to see a weapon capable of destroying an entire planet in a single go in a few decades or so.

Now, if we're talking about something that, in theory, exceeds the destructive force of a nuclear weapon over an extended period of time; well, that throws a completely new spin on the matter. As this is an anime forum, I'm sure I don't see to go into detail on all the kinds of supernatural powers and/or weapons that stretch and go beyond the limits of reason and possiblity. Now, while a majority of them are just out of this world, there are quite a few that are feasibly possible, given significant time and human potential.

Gundam, for example. Now, at first glance, anyone with a reasonable sense of what's possible and what's not would just brush the idea of giant fighting robots with the kind of weapons and capabilities you see in the series as being by far too far-fetched to possibly be real. However, even now, there are people working to make this impossibility possible. In an effort to get Japan's children more interested in robotics, the head of their research into future technologies concerning robotics and engineering completed a prototype design for a thirteen-foot tall robot that looks remarkably similar to what we've seen in the shows. Granted, to have something that would actually rival the might and size of the kinds of mobile suits that we've seen isn't financially feasible right now; however, simply being able to do what this man has done opens up a world of possiblities.

And, in all honesty, I think that's just the tip of the iceburg.

[Mavericker]

Seraphim's on something-she needs to get off it. IF she and what's-his-name doesn't like MAVERICKER they need to stop posting in my threads.

[Aizmov]

Bad idea!

Best way to get rid of nukes is to use them.

It's only been over 2 months and Obama already wants the country to fall behind.
We may not have the best education or healthcare systems, but we at least have the military power to bully the world.

[CrystalAce]

I have to say, it's a very good gesture from US president, Obama, to eradicate further escalating hostilities among nations, to reduce the global fear of nuclear warfare, and to signify his willingness to bring changes in the world order.

However, it would be nothing more than a positive gesture, in the end. No matter how much nukes they dismantle, they would still have/keep enough arsenal to wipe-out the human race. Unless they have devised a better weapon than nuke, it would be, of course, quite an irrational act for a nation to loose it's major source of sovereignty and security.

So, I believe, it would not have much impact on the amount of nukes on this planet, but still, it is a positive sign by Obama, that he wants to bring major changes in the world order, and we can only hope that those every changes really turn out to be positive ones.

[SSDynamite]

In History class I learnt about the Cold War and the arms race and stuff. Part of it was the MAD theory. Mutually Assured Destruction (what I've learnt it as) means that when opposing sides build up their weapons so much that each one is too scared (or otherwise) to fire first because doing so would start a nuclear war and thus leaving themselves just as battered as the enemy.

So Obama going for disarmament is a good thing, because a world with no nukes seems a hell of a lot safer. But it kinda takes away from the MAD theory so it leaves the US at a disadvantage.
Then again, someone has to go first to set a trend.

[AF SUCKS]

In History class I learnt about the Cold War and the arms race and stuff. Part of it was the MAD theory. Mutually Assured Destruction (what I've learnt it as) means that when opposing sides build up their weapons so much that each one is too scared (or otherwise) to fire first because doing so would start a nuclear war and thus leaving themselves just as battered as the enemy.

So Obama going for disarmament is a good thing, because a world with no nukes seems a hell of a lot safer. But it kinda takes away from the MAD theory so it leaves the US at a disadvantage.
Then again, someone has to go first to set a trend.
The US is never going to reliquish a nuclear arsenal, Obama's giving lip service.

I'd also hate to think that France would have the upper hand, nuclear weapons wise, on us.

But even with Mutally Assured Destruction both the US and the USSR were willing and able to carry out what would have been essentially suicide, on a global scale of course.

[Akito0o]

i think it is a good start, A big task yes, buit seeing as how The U.S.A is the only country in history to ever actually use a nuclear, it is right for them to take these first few steps.

[Hell patrol]

i think it dose not madder someone will hide test then use them one day so we shoud keep ours just in case

[MoroDashi]

Of course he can. Obama has the power to do whatever he wants with his country. (You know what I mean =__=)
Great idea- Even if this does make America more target-worthy, I don't think they'll let America, where some resources come from, die.

[Eris]

Of course he can. Obama has the power to do whatever he wants with his country. (You know what I mean =__=)

Uh... no he can not. The power is shared by congress, the supreme court, and the senate, and others.

[Zenga]

I'd be really scared if one person had complete control of America. ^.^; It's like giving a baby a loaded gun: nothing good would come out of it.

[blackrosetwilight]

sigh this debate is going no where

[Mavericker]

sigh this debate is going no where

It wasn't meant to be a debate.