Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King [Archive]

Kishiro

08-28-2008, 10:44 PM

I think they might ruin the fun of the game with this one.
I mean warriors will do insane damage with dual wielding two handers.Warlocks with unstoppable chaos magic that beats even the pally bubble.
Pallies doing insane damage like never before!Ive seen videos its insane.
Rogues doing shadow dance and doing stealt every few seconds.I mean wth that is gonna make something new out of ambush.Stun lock goodbye.
And i wont even name the rest.Dunno all those mighty skills sound fun and interesting but the game is not what it used to be.I will still be glad to see Arthas pwning everyone.
Oh and another thing.I expect it to be a massive Death Knight abuse lol its gonna be hundreds of them running around raising undead.It is gonna be madness!

There is a limit of one Death Knight per account per server. Regardless of faction or server type. So if you play on a PvE server, you must choose which faction your Death Knight will be on.

They are trying to do more to balance out pvp aspects of each class, but you will always have one class/spec that destroys another. PvP mechanics are for the most part based around group battles.

There will be balance. But the balance is meant for the appropriate level ranges and groups.

Brewmaster

08-29-2008, 04:58 AM

There is a limit of one Death Knight per account per server. Regardless of faction or server type. So if you play on a PvE server, you must choose which faction your Death Knight will be on.

They are trying to do more to balance out pvp aspects of each class, but you will always have one class/spec that destroys another. PvP mechanics are for the most part based around group battles.

There will be balance. But the balance is meant for the appropriate level ranges and groups.
Yeah i know about the limit for DK but still there are gazillion of players.I think its gonna be insane.
Bah dunno about the balance.I think at first there will be some class that will own most of the others with no sweat.Especially warriors with the ability to get a chance on each critical hit to do execute.Now ain't that overpowered o_o

Mousie

08-29-2008, 06:18 AM

Im what you would call a wow addict >.<
i play about 6 hours a day and cant wait for WOTLK hehe

gonna be awsome getting all my lkvl 70's to lvl 80
+ deathknight class ( looks awsome)

Yeah i know about the limit for DK but still there are gazillion of players.I think its gonna be insane.

Bah dunno about the balance.I think at first there will be some class that will own most of the others with no sweat.Especially warriors with the ability to get a chance on each critical hit to do execute.Now ain't that overpowered o_o

As to that
The most significant change to warriors IMO if they are arms spec will be the ability to duel-weild 2H weapons
Wich is going to make them insanely strong ,
If the characters Haste rating is reasonable the decrease in speed will make little difference
as u said in an earlier post

Kishiro

08-29-2008, 04:03 PM

Im what you would call a wow addict >.<
i play about 6 hours a day and cant wait for WOTLK hehe

gonna be awsome getting all my lkvl 70's to lvl 80
+ deathknight class ( looks awsome)

As to that
The most significant change to warriors IMO if they are arms spec will be the ability to duel-weild 2H weapons
Wich is going to make them insanely strong ,
If the characters Haste rating is reasonable the decrease in speed will make little difference
as u said in an earlier post

They've been saying they were going to do that for a long time with the warriors and DWing two handers. We'll see if that sticks.

Sanosuke23

08-29-2008, 04:17 PM

Screw Warriors, Ret Aura is going to be affected by Spellpower now. That and AoE HoT makes me :3 more than anything else. Not to say all of Pally's changes(Hand spells, allegedly STR>Spellpower like AGI>AP for Hunters or Rogues) aren't :3-worthy.

For the uninformed, general spell damage and healing or healing and spell damage on an item is being converted to Spellpower. Healing gets a bigger boost from Spellpower than damage does overall to keep the bonus you'd get at the same general rate it's at now.

Brewmaster

08-30-2008, 11:56 AM

Jeez i saw a video on youtube with a WOTLK pally.That was insane.I mean they get some kind of a new strike that damages people around him and he regains healt according to damage.That is insane but still good.

xCloudz

09-04-2008, 06:34 AM

i saw some private servers with Dark Knight at every race playable. you can search those on xfire

Cantelope

09-04-2008, 03:33 PM

Brewmaster

09-04-2008, 03:49 PM

As a rogue, I think Shadow Dance is incredibly stupid from an offensive stand point. Everyone's like LOL OMG AMBUSH AGAIN AND AGAIN. It takes two seconds for one tick of energy to restore. One tick is 20 energy. Ambush costs 60 energy. It takes 6 seconds to regain enough energy to do an Ambush.

If you do the math, you'll be able to maybe get off two ambushes that are worth anything, and the then third one will take too long to even matter, and the fourth one even more-so.

Now, using openers that actually DON'T suck, after Cheap Shot and Garrote, what else is there to use?

Anyways, it's clearly not meant to be used as an offensive ability, but instead as another escape mechanism, which is so characteristic of the subtlety tree.

Also, about warriors dual wielding two-handers, I get the feeling it's going to turn out pretty bad for them without Mortal Strike.

Also, that cinematic trailer was freaking AWEESOOMME.

And Evockzi, I don't see how making good gear easily obtainable ruined the game in any aspect whatsoever. Personally, I think it's a GREAT thing. This helps make the general differences in gear among the player-base almost worthless, and puts more emphasis on player SKILL instead of GEAR.
Hm yes but i have seen rogues doing ambushes around 4k+ crit.Now hm doing just 2 of them as you say is around 8k.So that will take pretty much all the health down.Plus you gain combo points so you can do an easy kidney to stop the enemy from running away.And another thing the S-set gives you an additional 10 energy.Also if you go a bit further into assass tree you can get another 10 energy.If you chose to go for combat you have adrenaline rush.Hm now that would be good wouldn't it?
Also you can manage well without Mortal Strike.I mean you would have Bloodthirst which is not so bad either.Yes you will lack the 50% less heal but doing massive damage with dual wielding 2 handers will make up for that.Also if they really insist on healing the good old pummel will do the trick.
Oh and yes i must agree on the gear thing.Making it easier to get good gear is a good thing.As you said it will allow for more of a skill test than better gear owning low geared people.

Cantelope

09-04-2008, 09:43 PM

Hm yes but i have seen rogues doing ambushes around 4k+ crit.Now hm doing just 2 of them as you say is around 8k.So that will take pretty much all the health down.Plus you gain combo points so you can do an easy kidney to stop the enemy from running away.And another thing the S-set gives you an additional 10 energy.Also if you go a bit further into assass tree you can get another 10 energy.If you chose to go for combat you have adrenaline rush.Hm now that would be good wouldn't it?
Also you can manage well without Mortal Strike.I mean you would have Bloodthirst which is not so bad either.Yes you will lack the 50% less heal but doing massive damage with dual wielding 2 handers will make up for that.Also if they really insist on healing the good old pummel will do the trick.
Oh and yes i must agree on the gear thing.Making it easier to get good gear is a good thing.As you said it will allow for more of a skill test than better gear owning low geared people.

Sigh. First of all, when WotLK comes out, a well-geared player will have 20k, or near 20k hp. Second of all, you only have 71 talent points. How do you expect to get the 51 point talent Shadow Dance, and the THIRTY ONE point talent in either Combat or Assassination?

If you get 10 extra energy, you have to wait one tick to do a second ambush, and then another tick to do a kidney shot. So in the span of 6 seconds, you've done two ambushes (which HOPEFULLY initiation kicked in, so you get two combo points each), and then you do a 4 point kidney shot WITH ONLY 5 ENERGY TO ATTACK WITH.

Oh yeah, and not all healers stand still and cast greater heal while you're wailing on them waiting for a pummel.

Brewmaster

09-05-2008, 08:22 PM

Sigh. First of all, when WotLK comes out, a well-geared player will have 20k, or near 20k hp. Second of all, you only have 71 talent points. How do you expect to get the 51 point talent Shadow Dance, and the THIRTY ONE point talent in either Combat or Assassination?

If you get 10 extra energy, you have to wait one tick to do a second ambush, and then another tick to do a kidney shot. So in the span of 6 seconds, you've done two ambushes (which HOPEFULLY initiation kicked in, so you get two combo points each), and then you do a 4 point kidney shot WITH ONLY 5 ENERGY TO ATTACK WITH.

Oh yeah, and not all healers stand still and cast greater heal while you're wailing on them waiting for a pummel.
Yes well then that way there will be way better weapons and meaning rogues will do even more damage to get up to that 20k hp so instead of doing 4k they will do way more.So still doing a few ambushes and taking off at least half of the hp from an opponent does good job now don't you think.Taking the rest of opponents hp is not gonna be so hard.I mean there is always blind.gouge and stuff to allow you to regen enough energy.So i think that way you just ambush a few times then blind then wait for energy then attack which will probably disable the opponent and all that massive ambush and big damage spam will make him want to heal or run but then you would kidney him and the rest is easy.
Oh and yes well if they want to heal they will have to stand once.And since warriors have ways to disable fear(either Death Wish or the rage thing or even the medallion making them hard to be stopped) they will be killed with no much trouble.
By the way my mistake for the talents i got a bit away with it sorry.

Cantelope

09-05-2008, 08:46 PM

When a rogue has no energy, it's a window of opportunity for the opponent. The rogue for sure can't shiv, or if he can, only once, and then if it's a shaman or druid, they can cleanse the poison and gain range. The rogue has to wait four agonizing seconds for a shadowstep. That's plenty of time for a heal.

Gouge uses more energy than you regen with.

Blind is only once per fight, and most opponents have their pvp trinket ready for it.

Anyways, you don't get it, getting a target down to whatever % of HP doesn't matter with Ambush, because it's worthless if they aren't DEAD in a few seconds. The DPS is absolutely terrible, and the longer a fight lasts, the more the rogue is in trouble, which is absolutely the scenario in a fight between two opponents with resilience and stamina gear.

Just admit it, Ambush sucks, and forever will suck. Shadow Dance isn't OP. Warriors will probably even out in the end also.

Brewmaster

09-06-2008, 03:09 AM

Ever heard of sprint?Or maybe you never even played a rogue.Since seemingly you forget about skills.And no i have nothing to admit.I am just saying that it will be a pretty good skill that will allow much damage.Yes they have their pvp trinket.But you have the combo cloak of shadows and vanish.Easy to run and let your energy regen.Don't you think.Now you should admit that it is simply good and ambush does not suck or maybe if you even played a rogue you don't know how to use it.
Ehm and warriors will still pwn but of course there will be classes that can stop each of them i am not saying they will be invincible just that those combos will pretty much rock and own a lot.
Oh also i forgot to say that is to point in a few things.Rogues ambush crits will slow opponents atack speed and movement speed.Also forgot about preparation maybe?The thing that resets the cool-down on shadow steep evasion, cold blood, vanish and sprint.I see even more opportunities to run and regen energy then strike back again.Oh yeah and the talent that reduces the cost of ambush by 15 and energy cost of hemo by 5.Even more opportunity.

Cantelope

09-06-2008, 10:35 AM

Ever heard of sprint?Yes.
Or maybe you never even played a rogue.Since seemingly you forget about skills.And no i have nothing to admit.I am just saying that it will be a pretty good skill that will allow much damage.Yes they have their pvp trinket.But you have the combo cloak of shadows and vanish.Easy to run and let your energy regen.Don't you think.Now you should admit that it is simply good and ambush does not suck or maybe if you even played a rogue you don't know how to use it.
You just wasted cloak of shadows, and vanish (you can't do it again for a whole 3-5 minutes) so you can let your energy regen, while your opponent either heals/bandage/eat/drink/prepare for your next wave of attacks, while you have TWO COOLDOWNS LESS. And yes, I PLAY a rogue, and yes, my arena ratings are over 2000, I can safely assume I know what I'm talking about.

Also forgot about preparation maybe?The thing that resets the cool-down on shadow steep evasion, cold blood, vanish and sprint.I see even more opportunities to run and regen energy then strike back again.Oh yeah and the talent that reduces the cost of ambush by 15 and energy cost of hemo by 5.Even more opportunity.
/facepalm

Yes, because you totally want to be using a 10 minute cooldown every fight right? All so you can kill ONE person. Again, just admit it, Ambush sucks in any respectable form of pvp (arena).

Brewmaster

09-06-2008, 11:36 AM

Yes.
You just wasted cloak of shadows, and vanish (you can't do it again for a whole 3-5 minutes) so you can let your energy regen, while your opponent either heals/bandage/eat/drink/prepare for your next wave of attacks, while you have TWO COOLDOWNS LESS. And yes, I PLAY a rogue, and yes, my arena ratings are over 2000, I can safely assume I know what I'm talking about.

/facepalm

Yes, because you totally want to be using a 10 minute cooldown every fight right? All so you can kill ONE person. Again, just admit it, Ambush sucks in any respectable form of pvp (arena).
Erm maybe when they "rest" you could sap? O_o;;
Also cloak gets back fast now doesn't it.The cool down it not that big also there is a talent that reduces the cool down on it.
Also KILLING ONE PERSON is good now don't you think???For arena.Also if it was a battle ground you wouldn't need to use all those cool downs since there will be more people so ehm someone takes their attention while you ambush and get their hp in two hits.That would be called teamwork.
And no i will not admit that it sucks since it is very good and was made for a reason.And shadow dance is here to make it be more usable.

Sanosuke23

09-06-2008, 05:31 PM

@Cantelope: CLEARLY IT WAS MEANT FOR WORLD PVP THEN. :B

Actually though I'm joking now that I've said that it's possible, since there's allegedly going to be a dedicated world PvP zone in Northrend.

Cantelope

09-06-2008, 05:55 PM

Erm maybe when they "rest" you could sap? O_o;;
You have to wait 5 seconds for them to drop combat. If they have heals, they can get off two power heals, easily taking them back to 100%, because your ambushes will not get a full stack of wound poison on them (2 apps at MOST, if you're LUCKY).

Also cloak gets back fast now doesn't it.The cool down it not that big also there is a talent that reduces the cool down on it.
Which talent? And CloS is only a 1 minute cool-down, but if you don't use it wisely, you've got a minute where you're helpless.

Also KILLING ONE PERSON is good now don't you think???For arena.Also if it was a battle ground you wouldn't need to use all those cool downs since there will be more people so ehm someone takes their attention while you ambush and get their hp in two hits.That would be called teamwork.
No, just getting some chump, and the two of you taking on two other people separately is NOT teamwork. Teamwork is you taking forever to kill one-guy, and with all the holes in your attack pattern, the team mate heals his buddy, CC's either you or your partner, and the two of them proceed to grind one of you into a bloody pulp with ease. This is why you'll probably never see a team rating above 1600.

And no i will not admit that it sucks since it is very good and was made for a reason.And shadow dance is here to make it be more usable.k.

@Cantelope: CLEARLY IT WAS MEANT FOR WORLD PVP THEN. :B

Actually though I'm joking now that I've said that it's possible, since there's allegedly going to be a dedicated world PvP zone in Northrend.
And I might agree with this because Waylay disables item use (pots) for 8 seconds.

Brewmaster

09-06-2008, 06:22 PM

You have to wait 5 seconds for them to drop combat. If they have heals, they can get off two power heals, easily taking them back to 100%, because your ambushes will not get a full stack of wound poison on them (2 apps at MOST, if you're LUCKY).

Blind as i mentioned if must.

Which talent? And CloS is only a 1 minute cool-down, but if you don't use it wisely, you've got a minute where you're helpless.

Here is a link with all the new rogue talents.Check it out. :]
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue

No, just getting some chump, and the two of you taking on two other people separately is NOT teamwork. Teamwork is you taking forever to kill one-guy, and with all the holes in your attack pattern, the team mate heals his buddy, CC's either you or your partner, and the two of them proceed to grind one of you into a bloody pulp with ease. This is why you'll probably never see a team rating above 1600.

Yes indeed but if your friend is a CC and he does it to the other guy while you ambush the crap out of the other one then he joins you in the mashing.That would be for arena but i was talking more for BG PvP where team work is good with that skill shadow dance that is.
By the way i don't play rogues that much.My main class is Priest in which i know the most.

k.
Also i think that we will continue debating forever lol

Cantelope

09-06-2008, 07:04 PM

Blind as i mentioned if must.
All this changes is that they have to trinket before starting their recovery. if you're unstealthed when they trinket, you better grab your ankles and kiss your butt good-bye.

Here is a link with all the new rogue talents.Check it out. :]
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue
So elusiveness takes off 30 seconds. Fair trade I think with all of the stun reduction mechanics. 30 seconds is still a lot of time for a mage to set up a shatter combo though.

Yes indeed but if your friend is a CC and he does it to the other guy while you ambush the crap out of the other one then he joins you in the mashing.....I'd explain exactly what would happen to you in upper-bracket arena if you opened with Ambush every time instead of Cheap Shot, but with 9 classes that'd be pages long. Let's just say you'll end up CC'd silly and before you know it you'll be staring at your character face-down in the dirt, and unless your partner(s) is/are Chuck Norris, your team just lost precious rating.

That would be for arena but i was talking more for BG PvP where team work is good with that skill shadow dance that is.
Critical Mistake--All forms of pvp besides arena doesn't matter.

By the way i don't play rogues that much.My main class is Priest in which i know the most.Then don't go trying to promote a terrible gameplay plan with a class you don't even know about. There's already enough terrible rogues.

Also i think that we will continue debating forever lol
Yeah, until you realize Shadow Dance is stupid to use with Ambush. Or maybe several months from now you might stop being a terrible rogue, learn to play, you'll make a PvP video, you'll display the effectiveness of Ambush in a successful Arena team, and how it contributes to large-scale team efforts in an organized Battleground pre-made vs. pre-made encounter.

I'd put my bets on the former, but in case of the latter, I'd humbly admit I was wrong.

Brewmaster

09-06-2008, 09:16 PM

All this changes is that they have to trinket before starting their recovery. if you're unstealthed when they trinket, you better grab your ankles and kiss your butt good-bye.

So elusiveness takes off 30 seconds. Fair trade I think with all of the stun reduction mechanics. 30 seconds is still a lot of time for a mage to set up a shatter combo though.
....I'd explain exactly what would happen to you in upper-bracket arena if you opened with Ambush every time instead of Cheap Shot, but with 9 classes that'd be pages long. Let's just say you'll end up CC'd silly and before you know it you'll be staring at your character face-down in the dirt, and unless your partner(s) is/are Chuck Norris, your team just lost precious rating.

Critical Mistake--All forms of pvp besides arena doesn't matter.
Then don't go trying to promote a terrible gameplay plan with a class you don't even know about. There's already enough terrible rogues.

Yeah, until you realize Shadow Dance is stupid to use with Ambush. Or maybe several months from now you might stop being a terrible rogue, learn to play, you'll make a PvP video, you'll display the effectiveness of Ambush in a successful Arena team, and how it contributes to large-scale team efforts in an organized Battleground pre-made vs. pre-made encounter.

I'd put my bets on the former, but in case of the latter, I'd humbly admit I was wrong.
Oh and yeah why does pvp outside of arena not count?You can get Merciless gear with honor gained in BG.
And another thing.Do not worry i play a rogue real good.I just prefer the use of ambush.Though in arena it probably would be unwise to start with ambush eh.But still i consider it an effective way to do mass dps in a short time.Also i looked at how friend plays a rogue and by his opinion ambush with shadow dance would be effective.So i take his thoughts on it to.
Ehm and of course ambush on cloth armored people is the one i am aiming at.I mean you'd crit him so hard and dps him before he gets whats going on.Team work would be good.You ambushing their healers and dpsing them hard making them heal themselves while the rest of their team is left vulnerable.
Well i guess the best is that we will see how it will be when it comes out actually.If i am proved wrong then ok.I just kinda think that way and if i don't see it i probably wont think otherwise. :]

Cantelope

09-06-2008, 09:58 PM

You ambushing their healers and dpsing them hard making them heal themselves while the rest of their team is left vulnerable.
The way it usually works is the healer starts calling over ventrilo for help, and then you have anywhere from one to four people attacking you, stunning you, fearing you, sheeping you every which way while the healer is now a mile away from you healing himself quite safely.

It doesn't help that without a stun, the healer is free to use any of his many skills in his defensive arsenal.

And I say no pvp outside of arena matters because there's no control over the level of skill the opponent you're matched against has.

Also, merciless is available for honor because if they don't make it that way, there's no chance in hell that any fresh level 70's would have a chance at getting to even 1800 rating.

Brewmaster

09-07-2008, 08:04 AM

The way it usually works is the healer starts calling over ventrilo for help, and then you have anywhere from one to four people attacking you, stunning you, fearing you, sheeping you every which way while the healer is now a mile away from you healing himself quite safely.

It doesn't help that without a stun, the healer is free to use any of his many skills in his defensive arsenal.

And I say no pvp outside of arena matters because there's no control over the level of skill the opponent you're matched against has.

Also, merciless is available for honor because if they don't make it that way, there's no chance in hell that any fresh level 70's would have a chance at getting to even 1800 rating.
Hm yes but thats why i am talking about pvp outside of arena.I meant for it to do help you in destroying the weaker and less skilled.Well sure it would be hard doing it in an organized pre made but still if they have a vent you have it to so you can call to help and make your guys distract or either cleanse/dispel the crap they put on you.
Yes i know why merciless is available i just stated that since you said no pvp outside arena is worth it and now i know why you said it.

Sanosuke23

09-08-2008, 05:07 PM

Hmm, an interesting counter-point being presented. So what you're trying to say, Forsaken One, is that simply because Arena is the endgame content isn't reason enough to discount the other PvP options as they're what prepares you for Arena battles?

I can see that. It's like the people that go through levelling an alt in gear ten levels too low for them because in their opinion the only content that matters are the endgame raids. I mean sure I guess you could make an argument that it's largely transient and so gear(in the case of PvE) or tactics(in the case of PvP) used during that point is largely not worth the effort to take seriously, but in doing so you kind of make your life harder and discard parts that CAN admittedly be fun.

Also you're starting to lean into Munchkin territory and then unless you're giving me free honor/carrying me through Kara and Gruuls to heal I'm pretty sure I hate you.

Brewmaster

09-09-2008, 01:13 PM

Hmm, an interesting counter-point being presented. So what you're trying to say, Forsaken One, is that simply because Arena is the endgame content isn't reason enough to discount the other PvP options as they're what prepares you for Arena battles?
Yes my point exactly.Arena is important in the end yes but the outside PvP prepares you for what you will taste in the real thing.

I can see that. It's like the people that go through levelling an alt in gear ten levels too low for them because in their opinion the only content that matters are the endgame raids. I mean sure I guess you could make an argument that it's largely transient and so gear(in the case of PvE) or tactics(in the case of PvP) used during that point is largely not worth the effort to take seriously, but in doing so you kind of make your life harder and discard parts that CAN admittedly be fun.
Yes that is why i as a healer(since i play a priest ending up usually as a healer) have trouble when i see warriors lvl 30+ tanking with a shield and sword lvl 14. O_o I mean Especially warriors should search for better gear being so dependent on it.Since i have started playing on retail recently(i haunted the pirate servers mostly blizlike ;P) i am proud of my priest for being lvl 36 and having 3k mana and over 1k health and i hardly saw even mages with nearly as much even buffed and lvl 39.Yeah yeah i am bragging but just wanna point out how significant getting good gear is.Way easier leveling and PvP.Also some fun in it. :]

Also you're starting to lean into Munchkin territory and then unless you're giving me free honor/carrying me through Kara and Gruuls to heal I'm pretty sure I hate you.
Hmh a Munchkin?Whats that? Lol

Cantelope

09-10-2008, 11:05 AM

Yes that is why i as a healer(since i play a priest ending up usually as a healer) have trouble when i see warriors lvl 30+ tanking with a shield and sword lvl 14. O_o I mean Especially warriors should search for better gear being so dependent on it.Since i have started playing on retail recently(i haunted the pirate servers mostly blizlike ;P) i am proud of my priest for being lvl 36 and having 3k mana and over 1k health and i hardly saw even mages with nearly as much even buffed and lvl 39.
WAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE. You're only level 39? No woner why you think Ambush is the best thing since sliced bread, because you've never heard of resilience, or experienced how much of an impact stamina stacking has in pvp. Yeeep, and I wasted a whole page of a topic arguing with you when it turns out you had no end-game experience at all =(

Brewmaster

09-10-2008, 05:15 PM

WAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE. You're only level 39? No woner why you think Ambush is the best thing since sliced bread, because you've never heard of resilience, or experienced how much of an impact stamina stacking has in pvp. Yeeep, and I wasted a whole page of a topic arguing with you when it turns out you had no end-game experience at all =(
Lol if i am not a high level on retail doesn't mean i don't know stuff.As i mentioned i have played on many pirate servers and yes i know what and how resilience works and how and what stamina stacking does.
Oh and as i said ambush is good even in arenas but if played right and in general pvp it is very useful.
As to mention i have played a rogue also so i know what i am talking about.I wouldn't know this much if i didn't play now wouldn't i.While you from what i have seen did forget about many useful skills that rogues have and i had to remind you of them.While you claim you are so good and have a lvl 70 rogue.Hmm.Also i played well and most of the end game stuff.So really i don't stick my nose into something that i didn't test/do/experienced already.
Oh and also i have many friends with diferent classes that are well deep into 70 lvl on retail with whos chars i played so i guess i did play much of the end game.

Cantelope

09-10-2008, 09:55 PM

Lol if i am not a high level on retail doesn't mean i don't know stuff.As i mentioned i have played on many pirate servers and yes i know what and how resilience works and how and what stamina stacking does.
Oh and as i said ambush is good even in arenas but if played right and in general pvp it is very useful.
As to mention i have played a rogue also so i know what i am talking about.I wouldn't know this much if i didn't play now wouldn't i.While you from what i have seen did forget about many useful skills that rogues have and i had to remind you of them.While you claim you are so good and have a lvl 70 rogue.Hmm.Also i played well and most of the end game stuff.So really i don't stick my nose into something that i didn't test/do/experienced already.
Oh and also i have many friends with diferent classes that are well deep into 70 lvl on retail with whos chars i played so i guess i did play much of the end game.
First of all /facepalm at even trying to say that private servers count as experience with real level 70's. Private server emulators are so broken, half the skills don't even work. Resilience is broken on every server I've tried, warrior's Intimidating Shout fears themselves, shadowstep kills you, you can't heal mages who are ice blocked, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

And no, you didn't have to REMIND me that those skills existed, I am fully away of the rogue's arsenal of skills. But the way you list them off is incredibly stupid, as if you have it ready for every single fight. Here, I'll list it for you.

Sprint - 5 Minutes
Evasion - 5 Minutes
Cloak of Shadows - 1 Minute (With talents in wotlk)
Premeditation - 2 Minutes (You're only using it for your opener anyways)
Vanish - 5 Minutes
Blind - 3 Minutes
Preparation - 10 Minutes

Now, if you have to use even THREE of these to beat ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. You're SERIOUSLY doing something wrong. The only time blowing every single cooldown is even ACCEPTABLE is when you're dueling another rogue that's going completely all out, or a frost mage.

Also, you can't say it's good in arena if you've never tried it. I want you to link me an armory profile of a rogue that's ShS Daggers, and then let me watch his team rating, 2v2, 3v3, or even 5v5 (nigh impossible), rise from 1500 to at LEAST 1800.

I further maintain you have NO IDEA what you're talking about now. Level up please.

(Note: Also, just "playing" a rogue for a little bit on your friends' accounts in battlegrounds ganking clothies in BLUES doesn't count as pvp experience. I bet every time you met an equally geared opponent, or anyone worth their own salt for that matter, you got steamrolled.)

Brewmaster

09-11-2008, 06:40 AM

First of all /facepalm at even trying to say that private servers count as experience with real level 70's. Private server emulators are so broken, half the skills don't even work. Resilience is broken on every server I've tried, warrior's Intimidating Shout fears themselves, shadowstep kills you, you can't heal mages who are ice blocked, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

And no, you didn't have to REMIND me that those skills existed, I am fully away of the rogue's arsenal of skills. But the way you list them off is incredibly stupid, as if you have it ready for every single fight. Here, I'll list it for you.

Sprint - 5 Minutes
Evasion - 5 Minutes
Cloak of Shadows - 1 Minute (With talents in wotlk)
Premeditation - 2 Minutes (You're only using it for your opener anyways)
Vanish - 5 Minutes
Blind - 3 Minutes
Preparation - 10 Minutes

Now, if you have to use even THREE of these to beat ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON. You're SERIOUSLY doing something wrong. The only time blowing every single cooldown is even ACCEPTABLE is when you're dueling another rogue that's going completely all out, or a frost mage.

Also, you can't say it's good in arena if you've never tried it. I want you to link me an armory profile of a rogue that's ShS Daggers, and then let me watch his team rating, 2v2, 3v3, or even 5v5 (nigh impossible), rise from 1500 to at LEAST 1800.

I further maintain you have NO IDEA what you're talking about now. Level up please.

(Note: Also, just "playing" a rogue for a little bit on your friends' accounts in battlegrounds ganking clothies in BLUES doesn't count as pvp experience. I bet every time you met an equally geared opponent, or anyone worth their own salt for that matter, you got steamrolled.)
First you probably played on some crappy servers while i didn't.
Also resilience is not broken on every server.
Yes i know the arsenal of the rogue.Ehm and also why did i list them stupid?I listed them since you kept saying there was no way to escape and i listed a skill that will allow you to escape.Also if you blow 3 cd as you said you can easy retain them with preparation.Allowing you to use them again for another person.Yes i tried many arenas on both private and retail.Also i have no time to link you since it would take time to search and i am a lazy person by nature.
Yes i have much idea of what i am talking about.Also if you are interested my priest is lvl 36 i did not say that he is my only char now did i?
My friend who left his old acc to me let me level his char.Then took him back after he was done with school.He has a hunter.Also i assume that playing a rogue for 6 months is a "little bit" although i did play it on a private but i dunno how you take things.Anyways Ive met both newbs and good players and i have killed good players (including good geared) and got killed by them.Also killing someone who is imune to stuns due to having Legendary weaps like the Staff of Disintegration(if i spelled right) which is only a short time weap on retail if you know what i am talking about.Here people have it like a normal weap since they donate to the server making the server a better place and making themselves more powerfull.I guess killing them is not skill but whatever and i know you will say they are n00bs but i don't care since you did not see them.
Also i was playing PvP for a friend who has a shaman since his PC was down and i played him for a month and gathered him a large amount of honor.So arena i know whats going on in there.
Well to state the last thing i find no more need in explaining myself for i have well proved my theory to friend and myself and i know it is good.If you do not know how to use something doesn't mean it is useless.We will generally see when WOTLK comes out in full version.I am done here.Will not further spam this thread with argue about one class.Rather start a debate on something else.

Cantelope

09-11-2008, 03:10 PM

First you probably played on some crappy servers while i didn't.
Also resilience is not broken on every server.
Yes i know the arsenal of the rogue.Ehm and also why did i list them stupid?I listed them since you kept saying there was no way to escape and i listed a skill that will allow you to escape.Also if you blow 3 cd as you said you can easy retain them with preparation.Allowing you to use them again for another person.
I can't believe there's a person who so casually uses the rogue's only trump card. 10 Minutes. For a whole ten minutes you will be utterly completely useless. This is BAD, and yes, in ALL situations.

Yes i tried many arenas on both private and retail.Also i have no time to link you since it would take time to search and i am a lazy person by nature.
It's because you've never done arena, and if you have, all of your friends' characters are in terrible teams. It wouldn't be that hard to look up a high ranked team anyways, but I guarantee none of the rogues are daggers, outside of Mutilate.

Yes i have much idea of what i am talking about.
You've yet to show it.

Also if you are interested my priest is lvl 36 i did not say that he is my only char now did i?
You said priest was your MAIN several posts back. And then you said you're PROUD of being level 36. The noob levels of this statement is astounding.

My friend who left his old acc to me let me level his char.Then took him back after he was done with school.He has a hunter.Also i assume that playing a rogue for 6 months is a "little bit" although i did play it on a private but i dunno how you take things.
Hunter =/= Rogue. Levelling =/= PvP. Private Servers = Joke.

Anyways Ive met both newbs and good players and i have killed good players (including good geared) and got killed by them.
Killing people in private servers with donation gear and daggers that are 5000 DPS don't count as being a good player.

Also killing someone who is imune to stuns due to having Legendary weaps like the Staff of Disintegration(if i spelled right) which is only a short time weap on retail if you know what i am talking about.Here people have it like a normal weap since they donate to the server making the server a better place and making themselves more powerfull.I guess killing them is not skill but whatever and i know you will say they are n00bs but i don't care since you did not see them.
No that's not skill. Especially on their part. There's no way to even simulate this on retail, you can't duel inside TK.

Also i was playing PvP for a friend who has a shaman since his PC was down and i played him for a month and gathered him a large amount of honor.So arena i know whats going on in there.
Farming honor =/= arena. Please realize this.

Well to state the last thing i find no more need in explaining myself for i have well proved my theory to friend and myself and i know it is good.If you do not know how to use something doesn't mean it is useless.We will generally see when WOTLK comes out in full version.I am done here.Will not further spam this thread with argue about one class.Rather start a debate on something else.
Then stop trying to argue with me about my own class, that I know a hell of a lot more about than you.

Brewmaster

09-11-2008, 04:00 PM

I can't but not post an answer. -_-

I can't believe there's a person who so casually uses the rogue's only trump card. 10 Minutes. For a whole ten minutes you will be utterly completely useless. This is BAD, and yes, in ALL situations.
Erm if you are in an arena battles don't last 10 minutes.Also you probably don't plan in going into arena after using all CD. O_o

It's because you've never done arena, and if you have, all of your friends' characters are in terrible teams. It wouldn't be that hard to look up a high ranked team anyways, but I guarantee none of the rogues are daggers, outside of Mutilate.
Yes i have done arena and nope they are not in terrible teams.

You've yet to show it.
I am showing it you refuse to see it.

You said priest was your MAIN several posts back. And then you said you're PROUD of being level 36. The noob levels of this statement is astounding.
Yes i did but i didn't say he was the only character i played nor that he is my only character.He is my main since as Ive mentioned returned the acc to my friend.

Hunter =/= Rogue. Levelling =/= PvP. Private Servers = Joke.
Yes Hunter=/= Rogue Levelling =/ PvP i know that.I was telling that i played the game till the end game stuff including arena i did NOT say Hunters are Rogues and didn't say PvP = Levelling.
Private servers ain't jokes.Yes those on which you played probably are.You probably played on a 4 man server and owned them and now you think that all the servers are like that.

Killing people in private servers with donation gear and daggers that are 5000 DPS don't count as being a good player.
Daggers like that do not exist here not even Gm's use them.I mentioned Staff of Disintegration.Seems you do not know what that means or what that is.And you say i did not play the end game stuff.Jeez.

No that's not skill. Especially on their part. There's no way to even simulate this on retail, you can't duel inside TK.
Of course you can't simulate this on retail.It is a private server.Yes it is skill maybe it is skill for you to kill blue geared people but i dunno what kind of a player you are probably a ganker of low levels.

Farming honor =/= arena. Please realize this.
Erm i know it is not similar. O_o
I farmed Honor and i fought in the arena.I am telling you this the whole time.I played arena with his shaman and farmed honor in BG.
Now you please realize something. -_-
Also how do you call gathering honor in arena?

Then stop trying to argue with me about my own class, that I know a hell of a lot more about than you.
Yes sure you do.If you DID know then we wouldn't have had this argue.

Sanosuke23

09-11-2008, 04:03 PM

Gee, it sure is Blizz forums in here...

Oh, and the term Munchkin refers to any stat 'ho who min/maxes to the point where the only way to beat them is to be a munchkin yourself.

For some dumb reason, most likely the homosexual undertones, the 12-year-olds of WoW call lower-level munchkins Twinks.

Cantelope

09-12-2008, 06:28 AM

If I had some money I'd transfer to any server he wanted and I'd rip him apart in any amount of duels to make him shut up.

Cantelope

09-12-2008, 06:36 AM

*sorry for the double post, I'd merge them if I could delete posts.*

Erm if you are in an arena battles don't last 10 minutes.Also you probably don't plan in going into arena after using all CD. O_o
It's not rare for a fight to last 10 minutes. But it's usually 5 to 8 minutes, but for 2's roughly 5 minutes. You CAN use all of those cooldowns, but within those cooldowns you want anywhere from 2 to 5 people dead. This is impossible with the playstyle you suggest. Going into a fight spamming Mabush and Backstab, I'm sure the match will be over in two minutes. With you dead of course.

Yes i have done arena and nope they are not in terrible teams.
1600 is terrible last I checked.

Yes Hunter=/= Rogue Levelling =/ PvP i know that.I was telling that i played the game till the end game stuff including arena i did NOT say Hunters are Rogues and didn't say PvP = Levelling.
Then why did you even say it?

Private servers ain't jokes.Yes those on which you played probably are.You probably played on a 4 man server and owned them and now you think that all the servers are like that.
I've tried like 4, WoWscape, and I don't know the others that my friends dragged me into, but they all sucked. There's more than 4 people on each though.

Daggers like that do not exist here not even Gm's use them.I mentioned Staff of Disintegration.Seems you do not know what that means or what that is.And you say i did not play the end game stuff.Jeez.
You need to read the whole post before responding to it.

Of course you can't simulate this on retail.It is a private server.Yes it is skill maybe it is skill for you to kill blue geared people but i dunno what kind of a player you are probably a ganker of low levels.
Yes, I'm ganking LOW LEVELS in ARENA. If anyone below level 70 could even get inside rated arena in the first place, and then get a high enough rating to match up against me, then kudos to him, but no. I don't gank low levels (habitually anyways).

Erm i know it is not similar. O_o
I farmed Honor and i fought in the arena.I am telling you this the whole time.I played arena with his shaman and farmed honor in BG.
Now you please realize something. -_-
Also how do you call gathering honor in arena?
You don't get honor for kills in the arena.

And to wrap it up, I think this last quote applies moreso to you.

Yes sure you do.If you DID know then we wouldn't have had this argue.

Brewmaster

09-12-2008, 07:13 AM

It's not rare for a fight to last 10 minutes. But it's usually 5 to 8 minutes, but for 2's roughly 5 minutes. You CAN use all of those cooldowns, but within those cooldowns you want anywhere from 2 to 5 people dead. This is impossible with the playstyle you suggest. Going into a fight spamming Mabush and Backstab, I'm sure the match will be over in two minutes. With you dead of course.
Hm not sure about that if you use it like i would then it probably wouldn't end like that.

1600 is terrible last I checked.
Yes it is.But no one said they are in that rank O_o anyways his team is down since he stoped playing for a while.

Then why did you even say it?
/facepalm i said it since you said i don't have experience on retail.I said i played a hunter and got him all the way to the end meaning i have experience in retail.

I've tried like 4, WoWscape, and I don't know the others that my friends dragged me into, but they all sucked. There's more than 4 people on each though.
Dunno.Really depends on the servers.

You need to read the whole post before responding to it.
I did read it and i answered it.Dunno what you see wrong.

Yes, I'm ganking LOW LEVELS in ARENA. If anyone below level 70 could even get inside rated arena in the first place, and then get a high enough rating to match up against me, then kudos to him, but no. I don't gank low levels (habitually anyways).
Hm i don't remember me saying you gank in arena?I am talking of all the BG in general if you didn't notice by now.
You don't get honor for kills in the arena.[/quote]
Ehm you get the rating in teams.I meant for that as honor sorry about that my mistake.Didn't expres the right way. O_o

And to wrap it up, I think this last quote applies moreso to you.
Nope that is still referring to you.Oh and another thing.If you maybe don't have a tactic and don't know how to use ambush doesn't mean others don't.

Edit: Oh by the way to your first post.Sure you might rip me off but i would use different tactic against a rogue in a stealth fight.In which i suck mostly for losing the first sap.

Cantelope

09-12-2008, 07:41 AM

Hm not sure about that if you use it like i would then it probably wouldn't end like that.

Yes, I do use cooldowns in arena, even with prep, a good team you're fighting has just as many tricks up their sleeves.

Yes it is.But no one said they are in that rank O_o anyways his team is down since he stoped playing for a while.
1700 isn't much better. Is your friend even specced for ambush in arena? Probably not, any rogue that knows anything isn't.

/facepalm i said it since you said i don't have experience on retail.I said i played a hunter and got him all the way to the end meaning i have experience in retail.
No, you have zero experience with end-game. You can get one million characters to level 70 and still be the worst player in the world. Just ask any chinese power leveller.

Hm i don't remember me saying you gank in arena?I am talking of all the BG in general if you didn't notice by now.
If I'm ganking ANYONE in BGs it's someone trying to defend a flag alone, regardless of skill, level, or gear. I don't get to decide who I face, I just kill them. Besides, the term GANKING really refers to being AMBUSH specced and then getting a mage or other easy target while they're lower than 70% health, sitting down and drinking/eating. Which I don't do. In fact, I've been arguing against Ambush this whole topic now. Please learn your terms.

Ehm you get the rating in teams.I meant for that as honor sorry about that my mistake.Didn't expres the right way. O_o
A very nooby mistake. And again, I stree that your ratings aren't high enough to know about the nuances of the game. Unless the team is below 1700, in fact, I'm sure the team even LOST rating when you were trying to help him.

Nope that is still referring to you.Oh and another thing.If you maybe don't have a tactic and don't know how to use ambush doesn't mean others don't.
Sure I have tactics for ambush. Several actually, but none of them could possibly work out on a mark that equals me in gear, or is arena viable in any manner.

Edit: Oh by the way to your first post.Sure you might rip me off but i would use different tactic against a rogue in a stealth fight.In which i suck mostly for losing the first sap.
I could beat you even after losing the sap.

Brewmaster

09-13-2008, 06:55 AM

Yes, I do use cooldowns in arena, even with prep, a good team you're fighting has just as many tricks up their sleeves.
I am well aware of that.

1700 isn't much better. Is your friend even specced for ambush in arena? Probably not, any rogue that knows anything isn't.
Talking about the friend shaman. O_o The rogue guy switches from ambush specc to others like mace.Depends on what tactics he decides.

No, you have zero experience with end-game. You can get one million characters to level 70 and still be the worst player in the world. Just ask any chinese power leveller.
I have much hexperiance.Oh and news flash i am not a chinese powere leveller.Duh. -_-

If I'm ganking ANYONE in BGs it's someone trying to defend a flag alone, regardless of skill, level, or gear. I don't get to decide who I face, I just kill them. Besides, the term GANKING really refers to being AMBUSH specced and then getting a mage or other easy target while they're lower than 70% health, sitting down and drinking/eating. Which I don't do. In fact, I've been arguing against Ambush this whole topic now. Please learn your terms.
I know my terms.I simply said that you are probably ganking.Nothing wrong with that.Ok so you don't do it but i don't really believe it.

A very nooby mistake. And again, I stree that your ratings aren't high enough to know about the nuances of the game. Unless the team is below 1700, in fact, I'm sure the team even LOST rating when you were trying to help him.
Indeed a very nooby mistake.So is yours in thinking ambush is crap.
Aha yep sure we lost rating.All the way.Really dunno what was i thinking.
/facepalm

Sure I have tactics for ambush. Several actually, but none of them could possibly work out on a mark that equals me in gear, or is arena viable in any manner.
Hm now then that says that you do not have any good tactics.
I could beat you even after losing the sap. [/quote]
Sure you could.I would kill you before youd get to see what is happening.

Really i am losing the will to argue here.Since all you keep doing is trying to say i have no skill nor that i have played any end game stuff which you are wrong.I am out of this now, now for real.I see no more comments from you which would be worthy to argue over.Since you are turning the ambush argue into more of an insulting manner trying to do whatever you are.I have said what i think about ambush and that is that.If you do not know how to use it in the right way i do not care anymore.

Cantelope

09-13-2008, 09:01 PM

The Nightingale

09-22-2008, 07:25 AM

Geez you guys. Give it a rest rofl =]

Sorry to interrupt your little debate.

Here's what I think about the new EXP.
Ohmygosh I cannot wait =]
November 13th! ♥

I am looking forward to the new BM skill for hunters, and the achievements they are putting in and well everything! I am not sure if I want to turn my character into a death knight though. I like hunter's, If I do decide to make a death night, I am going to make a new character and lvl that one.

I am trying to get to 70 before it comes out =] lvl 66 right now.

Uchiha Ulquiorra

09-24-2008, 07:02 PM

Start:

Ret Pally's will be nerfed.

They alone make the Allaince an even more infeirior side. Since of all the BE ret pallys on my server. I am thinking of switching to an RP/PVP realm.

I will have my warroir to 70 by then, Titans grip will own all those little clothies. =)

Btw, Elemental Shamans and the Thunderstorm talent is pretty neat, there's a vid on youtube showing how a shamen and a Pally Doubled up in Pvp, The pally stunned, and the shamen thunderstormed them off the bridge.

Sanosuke23

09-25-2008, 01:13 AM

I am not sure if I want to turn my character into a death knight though. I like hunter's, If I do decide to make a death night, I am going to make a new character and lvl that one.

Death Knights will not work that way. You make a Death Knight character that starts at 55 and go from there.

Ret Pally's will be nerfed.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I don't know what YOU'VE looked at to get that impression, but OH MAN IS IT EVER SO INACCURATE.

Cantelope

09-26-2008, 06:04 AM

I will have my warroir to 70 by then, Titans grip will own all those little clothies. =)
Not sure if you've checked out the new frost talents for mages, but yeah, Titans Grip seems like it's great and all, but it looks like all melee will just die a gruesome death to Deep Freeze without Bladestorm, or some way to get out of the freeze.

Brewmaster

10-11-2008, 09:07 AM

It's because I'm completely skeptical. I've seen good rogues try out ambush before, and when we could trade wins in duels evenly between each other, they'd completely get destroyed when trying to play as Ambush/Backstab spec.

It just doesn't work.
Yeah i understand you opinion and facts.Well glad we debated the crap out if it now eh. ;P

Geez you guys. Give it a rest rofl =]

Sorry to interrupt your little debate.

Here's what I think about the new EXP.
Ohmygosh I cannot wait =]
November 13th! ♥

I am looking forward to the new BM skill for hunters, and the achievements they are putting in and well everything! I am not sure if I want to turn my character into a death knight though. I like hunter's, If I do decide to make a death night, I am going to make a new character and lvl that one.

I am trying to get to 70 before it comes out =] lvl 66 right now.
Well now hunters do seem that they will own but still needs to be seen.I like the new thing that will have a special effect for each of the stings.It is in talents in the survival if i am not mistaken.It seems pretty neat.

Ehm and the pallys they will just be...deadly.I mean WTH is with that damage. O_o;
Seen vids of them on youtube and it is just awesome.They will smash and bash like never before lol.Well still there is time and we will see. :]

Daenerys

10-15-2008, 12:03 PM

The patch they installed yesterday has some things I like and dislike, that are directly aflliated with the expansion.

For example my shadow priest went from 1200 dps to 1000. My resto druid went from 1246 healing to 600. They say it's stil lthe same and you'll crit for the same and heal the same...

But I havn't noticed.

I do like the achievements.

Sanosuke23

10-15-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm actually healing for about five hundred more than I was last patch, and I'm actually pretty useful in combat now too, thanks to all the goodness in the first two or three tiers of Retribution buffing my Holy Shock skillz.

I'm greatly pleased by this turn of events.

Cantelope

10-15-2008, 05:48 PM

I got bored of world server crashing and retrieving character lists, so I gave up.

Brewmaster

11-10-2008, 07:35 AM

Bah to add something.Well i will be really sad and disappointed that with the coming of new instances/raids people will visit the old ones even less then now.It will be like ha ha ha i totally have full T6 and some other dude says hah n00b check out my T7 head WTH pwnd.Ya get my point.
I just love raiding and PvPing to.I mean yeah the point is to get better gear but the point is also in having great fun no?I mean raiding Karazhan and TK or SSC is like so damn fun.Yea you waste hours on it but still.Oh well the same thing happened when TBC came out.Anyone for MC lol.

Sanosuke23

11-10-2008, 01:59 PM

Actually, Achievements have kinda rekindled the love for Old World content on my server, and there will always be alts.

Besides, since Hyjal-level gear supposedly will carry you well into the expansion, people will likely go for the easy gear.

Brewmaster

11-10-2008, 02:28 PM

Ah yes indeed i forgot a bit about them. >_<
Yes it will be very interesting doing all instances for i believe there is one achievement that you need to do all the old instances to gain a flying mount with 310% speed FTW!! =o

Inn@ni>

11-13-2008, 11:28 AM

Haha, it came out today. Saw people camping outside the shop waiting with hope. It's good for me, more Ventrilo Harassing. No offence guys.

Kojack

11-13-2008, 12:25 PM

Inn@ni>

11-13-2008, 12:41 PM

Two of my housemates went to Wal-Mart at midnight last night to buy their copies. I woke up at 10am today and they were just going to bed. No idea what's in this expansion, but I guess it must have some good things.

Yeah it does have good things. One of them is more money spend. Second, you can become 80 lvl. Third, more Ventrilo Harrasments. Seriously, I would wait some time and then buy the game, not on the first day realeased. Ahh, and if you have WoW and WoW Burning Crusade, it's good idea to buy the new one.

Cantelope

11-13-2008, 07:03 PM

Man, I'm totally missing out. I'm in the middle of leveling a new character =|

Sanosuke23

11-13-2008, 09:06 PM

Man, I'm totally missing out. I'm in the middle of leveling a new character =|

OH BOY ARE YOU EVER.

Howling Fjord is made of shark punching, dwarves on meathooks, hallucinogenic drugs, surfing on a giant harpoon, and vikings.

In case you couldn't tell, all those things are awesome.

Brewmaster

11-14-2008, 11:31 AM

I am preparing to kill myself...WOTLK DIDN'T GET INTO SERBIA GOD DAM IT.
With some stupid reason that some old grandma stoped entry trough the state borders for not recieving her TV which she ordered!!AMG wth is with that!!?!?
Oh well i guess i will have to suffer some more untill it gets here! >_<
Gah i can't wait for it to come already shesh!!

Inactive Account 0061

11-17-2008, 12:07 PM

My DK is almost lvl 65 :3

Kazuma Kuwabara

11-17-2008, 01:19 PM

I feel like if you're paying monthly for a game you are wasting money for all of the free time you have that you do not spend playing that game. That's why I can't handle them.

Niverive

11-17-2008, 07:53 PM

So um on another topic, anyone on Illidan? XD

Kojack

11-17-2008, 09:35 PM

Ever since launch my housemate has been playing this game. He doesn't sleep, shower or go to class. What the heck did Blizzard do, put mind-controlling nanomachines in the box?

Sakurablue

11-24-2008, 11:12 AM

I play it and i need to lvl to lvl 55 to get my DK. OMG

Sanosuke23

11-24-2008, 11:43 AM

I feel like if you're paying monthly for a game you are wasting money for all of the free time you have that you do not spend playing that game. That's why I can't handle them.

That's a problem a lot of people face, to be honest. Some people quit, some people become shut-ins.

Look at it this way: If you rent your home or lease your car, all the free time you spend not driving or staying home is a waste of your money, by that logic. Or, that because you pay for medical insurance, every day you don't visit the doctor you're wasting your money. The difference is, if something breaks down in your rented home or on your leased car, you have to pay to have it fixed. The monthly fee on an online game is mostly to pay for the work required to keep the servers running almost 24/7, and to pay the salaries of the staff that needs to be on practically at all times to deal with in-game problems.

You're not paying for the privelage to play a game, you're paying for the security and reliability so that when you WANT to play, it's almost guaranteed you will be able to. You can play plenty of free MMOs, but they're more likely to have hackers, spammers, and technical errors.

So um on another topic, anyone on Illidan? XD

All the cool kids are on Twisting Nether Alliance-side. If you're ever in the battlegroup and you see someone from <Cineri Gloria Sera Venit>, be nice to them. >:/

EDIT: Oh, also, Kahmansenz is 76 now. One more level until cold-weather flying and four until the cap. I'm pleased.