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Srk
02-11-2008, 11:23 AM
I would have to say that I don't have a favorite game. I like all RPGs, especially that online one called Runescape.

termed
02-11-2008, 11:26 AM
Well for Favorite game i would have to go with the Final Fantasy series for the One player games and the Super Smash Bros. series for Multiplayer. Of the Final Fantasy series i like Final Fantasy X the best. although i cant wait till Crisis Core for the PSP xD

Meyrin
02-11-2008, 11:40 AM
This should be in the game forum and not in the misc forum.

For my fav games,I have too many to list.The final fantasy series would have to be in my list for sure.

NinnaMoon
02-11-2008, 11:47 AM
Um I have more than one, hope that's ok??:p

Here they are...

Halo (all)
Assassin's Creed
Killer Instinct
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
Pikmin
Mario World
Jet Set Radio
Medal of Honor
Super Smash Bros
Diddy Kong Racing
Yoshi's Story
Jet Force Gemini

(_YvOnSo_)
02-11-2008, 11:47 AM
This should be in the game forum and not in the misc forum.

For my fav games,I have too many to list.The final fantasy series would have to be in my list for sure.

Yeh, this is in the wrong forum.

As for the thread. FF Tactics Advance is a personal favorite of mine. So is Age of Empires II: the Age of Kings, the expansion one.

~*Red*~
02-11-2008, 11:49 AM
I like all FPS and RPG games mostly :)

Aizmov
02-11-2008, 12:02 PM
We've done this before.
I like lots of RPG games (except for FF). My favorite is Xenosaga ;)

Genghis Beatrix
02-11-2008, 12:58 PM
For me it would be hands down Tales of Symphonia. that game make me laugh and cry and want to play it over and over again!!!

Baka
02-11-2008, 01:16 PM
PONG!!!
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z204/Kainthebeast/pong.gif

King_Shadow89
02-11-2008, 01:38 PM
FF-x, dbz bt 1,2, and 3

.Lovebeat
02-11-2008, 02:15 PM
Final Fantasy 8 is and will ALWAYS be forever in my heart. <3 And what I like about it is the story.
Btw wrong section.

Hideki Motosuwa.
02-11-2008, 02:26 PM
Runescape is pretty cool. And sorry, I don't have any game systems(unless you count a computer as one). I've only played a few titles, and as far as I can tell, DBZ Budokai is my favoorite.

sa5m
02-11-2008, 02:51 PM
Tales of Symphonia forever! <3

Kyokuns_true_Love
02-11-2008, 04:29 PM
I love the .hack series, and the Spyro series.
But, I also really like the Xenosaga series x3

NovaStar
02-11-2008, 04:30 PM
I've gotta go with the Street Fighter II Series.

kale
02-11-2008, 04:33 PM
spyro, sonic, but my all time faveorite.....
POKEMONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

allaboutyou3678
02-11-2008, 04:36 PM
Said 100 times alredy but shouldn't this be in the video games forum. Whatever though, mine is Silent hill 2.

KP4
02-11-2008, 07:16 PM
I ususally like RPGs. My fav. is probably Final Fantasy 7 and other FF games like 10 and 12.

gd0929918
02-13-2008, 01:20 AM
i have many favorite games.

Final Fantasy VII
Legend of Legaia
The Legend of Dragoon

I would honestly be able to play through those games back to back many times over.

Srk
02-13-2008, 10:48 AM
I was too quick to post. I didn't know there was a video game thread.

kale
02-14-2008, 03:50 PM
i like all pokemon games!

Tayuya+
02-14-2008, 05:47 PM
Would have to be anything from the Ace Attorney series or Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass ^_^

Inactive Account 0061
02-14-2008, 06:43 PM
i almost like any games hehe.

But love games like:

World of Warcraft
Assassins Creed
Call of Duty 4
Grand Theft Auto
Half Life 2

And many, many more =3

but i REALLY hate games like: Runescape or Adventure Quest...

KazuYuki
02-17-2008, 11:15 AM
my favourite video games are

pokemon
legend of zelda orcania of time
&
starcraft(my all time favourite video game)

Sean Connery
02-17-2008, 05:10 PM
my current favs are

G Darius and Darius Gaiden from Taito Legends 2

Silpheed (PS2)

Gradius III & IV (PS2)

Gradius V (PS2)

Final Fantasy X

MS Gundam Encounters in Space

MS Gundam Seed Never Endinf Tommorow

Eureka Seven Vol 1 and Vol 2

Dynasty Warrios MS Gundam (PS3)

Assassins Creed

rf switch
02-17-2008, 07:16 PM
I don't really have one thats an overall favorite.

Suikoden II

Lunar Silver Star

Samurai Shodown II

Combat

Secret of Monkey Island

Tyki Mikk
02-18-2008, 08:47 PM
There are people here who actually heard of Suikoden II :laugh:

Besides that, Planescape: Torment and Oblivian are my fav games.

sataned
02-19-2008, 02:52 AM
AT the moment Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare on the PS3 would have to be my favorite :D its freakin awsome!

StabWound
02-19-2008, 04:05 AM
Shin Megami Tensei series.

gd0929918
02-19-2008, 01:10 PM
There are people here who actually heard of Suikoden II :laugh:


i tried playing it, but i just couldn't get hooked into the story :(

Bulf
02-19-2008, 02:16 PM
my favorite video game would have to be super smash bros. melee. besides that just about any other Nintendo game and GTA.

Khanxay
02-19-2008, 04:49 PM
i tried playing it, but i just couldn't get hooked into the story :(
Suikoden 2 had an awesome story. Maybe you didn't pay attention and kept pressing X?

LittleMomo
02-19-2008, 04:54 PM
I love Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare for the PC ^^

x0xfaizax0x
02-19-2008, 04:55 PM
The legend of Zelda

Kitanoru
02-19-2008, 04:57 PM
I would have to say for the playstation I found Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross amazing and out this world awesome for the story line! For the Ps2 I really found Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 fantastic and magnificent as the story line was incredible!

x0xfaizax0x
02-19-2008, 05:04 PM
http://seriousnerd.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/zelda_070625b-l.jpg
This is zelda my best video game

Khanxay
02-19-2008, 05:06 PM
While I'm here, I might as well list some mine.

Star Ocean: The Second Story
Suikoden
Legend of Mana
Legend of Legaia
Legend of Dragoon
Pokemon Yellow Pikachu
Pokemon Silver
Pokemon Snap
Super Smash Bros Melee
UT2004
Stepmania 3.9
Tetris Attack
Seiken Densetsu 3
N
Geometry Wars
Rez(HD)
Gears of War

Sean Connery
02-19-2008, 08:57 PM
I don't really have one thats an overall favorite.

Suikoden II

Lunar Silver Star

Samurai Shodown II

Combat

Secret of Monkey Island


Lunar and Lunar 2 were both good games

hai
02-24-2008, 07:13 AM
jade cocoon for the ps1 was a good game doubt anyone know it
but more recent games are
halo 2 and 3
oblivion (i get bored of the story quite quickly though)
command and conquer 3 tiberium wars

Chaos Proxy
02-24-2008, 07:21 AM
Favorite game is Monster Hunter Freedom 2. (PSP)

But overall, some favorites : Secret Of Mana, Golden Sun 2, DevilMayCry 3, Burnout 3.

Smurgen
02-24-2008, 10:07 PM
Maybe I'm showing my age here a bit, but my fav game of all time is Tetris
Its the only game i know of that has a version on every console following the NES, ported to anything that can display graphics, even the sides of office buildings, wrist watches, calculators, you name it.
Games come and go but there will forever be those 7 shapes and the pit to challenge you. You never will win, you are doomed to failure from the moment you hit start, but thats the beauty of it. See how long you can stave off your demise. Yes, Tetris holds a special place in my heart.

xplay221
02-24-2008, 10:55 PM
i like Final Fantisy XII,GEARS OF WAR,HALO 2-3,POKE'MON EMERALD,THE TRUE CRIME GAMES,GTA:SAN ANDREAS,SOCOM(ONLINE ONLY),SPLINTER CELL GAMES,METAL GEAR SOLID GAMES,MADDEN,AND NBA LIVE! I THINK THATS IT

gd0929918
02-24-2008, 11:50 PM
Zomg!
Capslock Is Cruise Control For Cool!

chatbot2.0
02-25-2008, 06:32 AM
super Smash

Bros.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sakura rukia
02-25-2008, 06:35 AM
guitar hero 3

.-Himura-Kenshin-.
02-25-2008, 07:28 AM
Hmm... Right now I would say Battlefeild 2

The Governator
02-25-2008, 07:35 AM
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, I just love the sheer size of the game, its the most awsome looking game I've ever seen.

» Sσρч «
02-25-2008, 07:43 AM
Hack G.U. is the best :cool:

Gaarademon
02-25-2008, 07:54 AM
I have alot so here I go:

Contra-NES
Double Dragon 2-NES
Rock Band-XBOX360
Saints Row-XBOX360
Halo 3-XBOX360
Guitar Hero 2-XBOX360
Gutar Hero 3-XBOX360
Final Fantasy 7- PS1
Super Smash Bros. Melee-Gamecube
Resident Evil 2-PS1
Resident Evil 4-PS2

poustotah
02-25-2008, 12:23 PM
I like any game that involves me beating up the bad guys.

Knightmare
02-25-2008, 04:12 PM
My favorites are ... Soul Calibur, Final Fantasy, and Romance of the three kingdoms.

daft
02-25-2008, 05:22 PM
Definitely the Devil May Cry series for me. I really do like the Final Fantasy series as well, the stories, the characters, the settings, it's all fantastic!
But if only the Final Fantasy games had a little bit more action placed into them, I'm not the biggest fan of the whole RPG fighting system (no offense RPG fans).

Sean Connery
02-25-2008, 05:27 PM
one of my older favorites for PS2 was Mobile Suit Gundam Encounters in Space

great voice cast, great game play, even the side story and Ace Pilot Section was Good, and it was the first game released in the US that had Strike and Aegis Gundams in it, following 2 years later when Battle Assault 3 came out and Mobile Suit Gundam Never Ending Tommorow

ryku isaigana
02-26-2008, 01:00 PM
Square Enix's old PS1 game, Final Fantasy IX!

pyrothunder336
02-26-2008, 01:51 PM
My favorites are Kingdom Hearts 2 and World of Warcraft

Khanxay
02-26-2008, 02:39 PM
But if only the Final Fantasy games had a little bit more action placed into them, I'm not the biggest fan of the whole RPG fighting system (no offense RPG fans).

The Final Fantasy battle systems aren't the RPG fighting system. Maybe you should try some other RPGs? (Other than those made by Square-Enix)

MomijiTMO
02-26-2008, 02:49 PM
Hmm my all time favourite RPGish games are FF7 and Star Ocean 3 (action RPG). While I do like my tactical RPGs, I play games to relax and somehow games like Disgaea just wear me out after a while.

ChibiInuyasha
02-27-2008, 12:31 AM
my favorite is a game many may not know Brave Fenser Musashi for the PS1
that game made me laugh, cry and had a good story line with plenty of action the princess in the game cracked me up always complaining about Musashi till he rescued her then found something to complain about again you duel weild 2 swords Lumina and cant remember the other one the main story line is to find all the power ups of Lumina and gain there power while this other guy is trying to do the same eventually the princess summons another hero to rescue her however who she summoned was a rival of musashi and decides to help against the cause the final boss is Lumina and your rival fused together great twist in the story line and a great game all in all its not one of those turn based fighting games either its more like a devil may cry battle system. and the characters did talk. this game was one of the first ps1 games out i think.

daft
02-27-2008, 01:06 AM
The Final Fantasy battle systems aren't the RPG fighting system. Maybe you should try some other RPGs? (Other than those made by Square-Enix)
No, I meant to say that I'd like Final Fantasy and possibly RPGs alot more if they were a little bit more 'real time' fighting action, other than 'stop and attack' battles. Something like what Kingdom Hearts, God Of War, or Devil May Cry have to offer. It would be alot funner and cooler in my opinion.

EonKid
02-27-2008, 04:58 AM
Any of the Final Fantasy or Frontmission games.

Sean Connery
02-27-2008, 04:57 PM
Final Fantasy X was one of the Best FF Games ever made

gd0929918
02-27-2008, 05:06 PM
Final Fantasy X was one of the Best FF Games ever made

not even close to the best.
it was way too short, broke half of the Final Fantasy rules, and the bad-guy wasnt nearly as bad as he should have been.

Moonstar Flower
02-27-2008, 06:29 PM
my favorite game is Koei's Musou Orochi: Rebirth of the Demon Lord

Chaos Proxy
02-28-2008, 02:49 AM
not even close to the best.
it was way too short, broke half of the Final Fantasy rules, and the bad-guy wasnt nearly as bad as he should have been.

Oh come on, it was just his opinion. : D
In my opinion the FF VIII was the best, but most likely there are people who disagree.

Sean Connery
02-28-2008, 04:37 PM
one of my fav 2d side scrolling shooters was Gaiares for Sega Genesis

sensei-zeb
02-29-2008, 01:24 PM
my favorite games are the metal gear solid series

Trisseh
02-29-2008, 06:15 PM
Online : Angels Online
Offline : Fire Emblem:Radiant Dawn <3
Or Ultimate Spiderman.

jakun_kenpachi
02-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Final Fantasy 7! I love that game so much, it has a great story line that leaves room for imagination, but still fills in a lot that we would want to know. Also many other reasons, but too many to start naming them off.

winry039
02-29-2008, 06:26 PM
i love almost all RPGs especially the final fantasy series and kingdom hearts

gd0929918
02-29-2008, 07:35 PM
i love RPGs for the story and gameplay...
but i love FPS games for the sheer adrenaline rush.
i just started playing Unreal Tournament 3, and omg it is amazing.
i'm really looking forward to working with the Unreal 3 editor soon.

Sean Connery
02-29-2008, 08:26 PM
my favorite games are the metal gear solid series


one of my favs was Metal Gear Solid 3

x-danielle-x
02-29-2008, 08:28 PM
i like Harvest Moon Games!! =D and Racing games like need for speed =3

Sean Connery
02-29-2008, 09:03 PM
The Darius Games are another fav

Prion
03-09-2008, 06:35 PM
f.e.a.r(at night with headphones=spine chill)

parasite eve 2(hot main char,story)

the best of all is duke nukem 3D( name speaks for it self)

cyborgmonkey22
03-10-2008, 03:13 PM
i don't have just one favorite and i have way too many to list all of them so i'll just post a few.

the final fantasy series(my favorite being ff12)
the dragon quest series(my favorite being dq8)
the kingdom hearts series(kingdom hearts 2 being my favorite so far)
the doom series(with doom 3 being my favorite)
the call of duty series(call of duty 4 being my favorite)
mass effect(can't wait for parts 2 and 3)
chrono trigger(one of the best rpgs of all time)
okami(one of the most beautiful video games ever and one of the most fun)
the legend of zelda series(twilight princess being my favorite)
super mario bros.(super mario galaxy being my favorite)
god of war(god of war 2 being my favorite so far)
the ratchet and clank series(my favorite being ratchet and clank: going commando)

because i could go on all day i'll leave it at that.

qG.Shogun
03-10-2008, 05:20 PM
My top 3 is.

1. Naruto Rise Of A Ninja
2. Oblivion
3. Dragonball Z

x0xfaizax0x
03-10-2008, 06:01 PM
Super smash and Zelda

Mow_Uchiha2008
03-12-2008, 07:19 AM
Metal Gear Solid, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and all RPGs (FF is the best!) and all sports games (specially FIFA and Winning Eleven) all they are my favorite games.

akatsuki_leader_sephiroth
03-12-2008, 05:55 PM
i have to say my fav video game is the final fantasy series.I like final fantasy 7 better because of my fav villian and the strongest villian is sephiroth.i like final fantasy 10 and 12 also.

zellk
03-12-2008, 06:04 PM
Drakengaurd 2!!!!

Zwaztika
03-13-2008, 01:52 AM
I like Harvest Moon and Metropolis Mania (PS2)

gaburieru
03-13-2008, 02:10 AM
I would have to say that I don't have a favorite game. I like all RPGs, especially that online one called Runescape.

You gotta me kidding me... That's like the worst mmorpg ever made. Browser based yes but there is nothing you can do. Everything is about grinding and farming, ALL DAY LONG! Never any changes.

http://www.onrpg.com/games_categories/free.html There you have a list of free games. I bet that every single one is better than runescape.


My favourite video-game? Well nostalgic as I'm I'd say Final Fantasy VII or III. Both are very entertaining. Gfx doesn't matter to me. The story is better than the most tv-series. It has never been the gameplay itself that made FF so awsome, it's the story. If you're after a RPG detailed gameplay you should try the Elder Scrolls series.

cyborgmonkey22
03-13-2008, 10:00 AM
I would have to say that I don't have a favorite game. I like all RPGs, especially that online one called Runescape. your kidding me right? i know you're entitled to your own opinion and i'm not trying to start a flame war by any means but really? runescape? it has the worst 3d graphics i have ever seen, plus if you don't pay the monthly fee you only get a handful of quests. not to mention it has more lag than any other game on the planet. if you like it then cool but try to raise your expectations and try world of warcraft or tabula rasa, or even city of heroes. but like i said if you like runescape that's cool i just thought i'd help you out.

Khanxay
03-13-2008, 10:58 AM
Super Smash Bros. Brawl is now on my list.

It's THAT awesome. I haven't even unlocked all characters and such, haven't beat the SubSpace Emissary, haven't beat all event matches (stuck on 19 on hard), haven't destroyed Snake and Sonic with Pikachu (That's today's plan) or even scratched the surface of how long I'll be spending on this game.

My only complaint is when it's loading it looks like the game freezes. They should fix that. It could give people heart attacks seeing their SSBB almost freeze on the first play.

Naix
03-15-2008, 05:50 AM
hmm favorite...

Crysis, Warcraft (all),Starcraft, Fallout 1,2, Diablo, Gears of war, Unreal Tournament series,...

BK_201
03-17-2008, 07:37 AM
My favorite games are:

1. The Thief series
2. The Half Life series (& Portal)
3. Deus Ex 1

kaori_tenshi
03-17-2008, 08:55 AM
Okay here's Mine xD

Sonic Adventure
Final Fantasy X2 & XII
Dance Dance Revolution Super Nova
Kingdom Hearts 2
Soul Calibur 2 & 3
Pokemon, (Green, Ruby, and Diamond)
...
That's It. xD;;

Legend Saber
03-17-2008, 08:59 AM
I don't play too many video games nowadays, though I'd say Final Fantasy VII is probably my all-time favorite, were I to name one. It isn't even that impressive a game, but it's managed to keep my interest, even after all these years. That's definitively worth a few points in my book.

DarkMoonPrince
03-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Legend of Zelda,

DBZ,

Gundam Seed,

Many Pokemon Games lol,

Test Drive,

Grand Turismo-Simulations are awesome.

And a Game Called Golden Sun, Golden Sun: The Lost Age (GBA), that was one of my Favorite games.

Taco!
03-17-2008, 12:25 PM
I have two games that are important to me, because they were my favorite games during my childhood and still remain to be two of my favorite games even now. Bust-A-Groove and Bust-A-Groove 2.

Of course, that's just in dancing games. I apologize, but I can't enjoy DDR or Pump it Up as much as I enjoy Bust-A-Groove.

As far as Fighting Games, it's no contest. The Tekken series. In addition to beating the crap out of anything and anyone, i'm also massively absorbed in the storyline. Yes, there is a storyline in Tekken. And it's AMAZING.

And in the case of RPGs? Honestly, it used to be Final Fantasy IX, which I still love and still recommend to anyone. But after playing and beating Tales of the Abyss, FFIX was blown waaaay out of my heart. Tales of the Abyss stole my soul, and still has it, and refuses to give it back. That game has the most amazing voice cast, the most amazing characters, and a GORGEOUS storyline. <3333

EDIT: MMORPG? Either Guild Wars or Albatross18.

S o l o
03-17-2008, 01:34 PM
-Legend of Zelda Ocarina Time/Majora's Mask
-Kingdom Hearts 2
-All The Poke'mon GBA Games :}
-Halo
-Conkers Bad Fur Day [N64]

I have more, but I can't remember them all @.@

Meteor Dragon
03-27-2008, 02:41 AM
I like Role Play Games, and Strategy games most.

Sammi
03-29-2008, 08:29 PM
There are a number of games I like very much, such as the Animal Crossing series, the Harvest Moon series, the Mario series, the Zelda series, and the Pokemon series.

Ezzy
03-30-2008, 01:31 AM
Pretty much any RPG especially those done by Square Enix
Zelda Franchise
Super Smash Bros. Franchise
Pikmin
Stepmania

Inactive Account 0061
03-30-2008, 10:35 AM
anything with an ocean of blood and gore xD

EnneadNokonx
03-30-2008, 12:37 PM
Zelda: OoT, Final Fantasy VIII, and the Shenmue series (still waiting for the third one -_-...)

Eikoseisui
03-30-2008, 03:06 PM
Shadow Hearts series, Capcom vs SNK 2, Okage: Shadow King, King of Fighters series, and the Silent Hill series.

shikamaruscutie
03-30-2008, 03:10 PM
my 3 favorite r

1.gh3
2.naruto path of ninja
3twilight princess

Amray
03-30-2008, 03:10 PM
Final Fantasy X,

Metal Gear Solid 3,
Star Ocean: Till The End of Time,
Kingdom Hearts 2,
Dead or Alive 4,
Guilty Gear XX,

Dogmat
03-30-2008, 04:41 PM
Some of my all-time favorite games...

Final Fantasy VII
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Mass Effect
Halo Trilogy
GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas

Hideki Motosuwa.
03-30-2008, 07:31 PM
DBZ Budokai, I haven't played that many video games acutally. I enjoyed this one, though. I tried going SSJ1, but couldn't. I was a noob back then to video games, and my friend just Kamehamehad the crap out of me, before I even got the chance to fight back!

confinedintheroom
03-30-2008, 08:16 PM
My two favorite games are Silent Hill 2 and Resident Evil Code Veronica X. I love all of the games in both of the Silent Hill and Resident Evil series though.

flatl1ner
03-30-2008, 08:25 PM
I'm quite an avid fan of the Suikoden series not all of them are released in the UK though! =(

~ Darling Dream ~
04-10-2008, 07:11 PM
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Trauma Center: New Blood

Here's to the video games no one's ever heard of!!! :D

Zanethose
04-10-2008, 07:17 PM
haha Not to burst your bubble, Dream, but I have heard of those!! :P

Any Metal Gear game, I love them all.

cyborgmonkey22
04-10-2008, 07:30 PM
oh, god! choosing my favorite game is like choosing which vital organ i don't need(ya get it?) i can't choose just one so i'll post the ones i like best in no particular order:

dragon quest(series)
final fantasy(series)
okami(the most beautiful game ever)
the legend of zelda(series)
super mario bros.(series)
super smash bros.(series)
mario kart(series)
god of war(kratos is a total bad-well you know)
mass effect(the best action rpg ever made. i can't wait for parts 2 and 3)
call of duty 4(i've been playing it over xbox live nonstop)
the orange box(portal is one of the most fun and innovative games ever and you get it along with team fortress 2 and half life 2 and it's expansion packs)
chrono trigger(one of the best 16 bit rpgs ever! where is my sequel square-enix!?)
doom(do i need a reason?)
dragonball z budokai tenkai'ichi 2(wii version)
metroid(series as well as the prime series)
resident evil a.k.a. biohazard(series)
devil may cry(series)
ninja gaiden(is friggin hard!)
fable(series and i'm sooooo excited about fable 2)
gears of war(two words: chainsaw gun)
unreal(series)
and i could go on and on but i'll end there.

.Seth
05-04-2008, 01:07 AM
Legend of Dragoon, Super Smash Bros., and all of Square Enix's work. I don't play games much, but these will forever be at the top of my list.

sesshomaruisgod
05-04-2008, 03:59 PM
Its a tie between Legend Of Zelda OoT and Twilight Princess there both too good! Windwaker is my number 2

Ugly_Ted
05-10-2008, 11:11 PM
I'm a big fan of the earlier Resident Evil games... back when it actually had zombies in it.

Drifter Uk
05-13-2008, 02:42 PM
at the moment, its gotta be either guitar hero 2/3 or DOA4