people in need? really???

[prototypetetra]

i just want to ask what people think of these types of people...are they really in need of help or are they really worth helping at all? :

scenario 1

human in need: "please help me i dont know how to do (insert thing here) the right way and i suck "

human helper: "ok do this (insert solution or direction towards the solution here).. its not impossible... STUDY THIS and PRACTICE(work hard)"

human in need: "what? i dont know what to do!!!... someone please help me... (human helper ignored)"

scenario 2

human in need: " I need money..."

human helper: " get a job or study so that someone will hire you..."

human in need: " " (ignored human helper)

it appears that the only solution to these people are you doing it for them... or something that requires er... the absence of effort???... can you blame people who refuse to help them?

-A

[Meyrin]

People like that are called lazy and ignorant.Why help people like that if they don't help themselves.Personally I find people like that anoying.

[Hideki Motosuwa.]

People like that are called lazy and ignorant.Why help people like that if they don't help themselves.Personally I find people like that anoying.
I agree. I know alot of people that fake that, because they want attention.

[KP4]

People like that are called lazy and ignorant.Why help people like that if they don't help themselves.Personally I find people like that anoying.

yeah i totally agree. They probably have their reasons for doing that, like maybe what they experienced when they were kids or something. But at that stage they are kind of beyond help. The time they actually needed help was probably when they when they went through what they did to cause them to act like that <---- if that makes sense.

[prototypetetra]

well thinking about it.. i think most dont fake it to get the attention but to make someone else do it for them since they might be lazy just like what meyrin said or who knows...

hmmm... thinking about it.. its also possible that its some other form of attention... like someone has a crush on another and theyd act helpless just so the target prey would come to his or her aid and then rowrrrrr the prey gets snagged like a deer in the paws of a tiger acting as a sheep...

what the hell am i talking about...

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well KP4 i guess some people do get what they want when they were kids by whining and crying... like mommyyyy i want thissss and then the mom would say no and the kid would cry and scream and wwaaaaahhhhh!!!! then the mom would give in... i guess this is how you start on creating such people... same concept but applied in adulthood...

-A

[Brewmaster]

People like that usually want attention and act stupid so they could get it.I really don't like that kind of people because they are worse than little kids.Sometimes maybe the human truly doesn't know how to do something and he needs help and someone else doing it for him.But id he continues to do that its simple...he is a fool and should go :banghead: .Well thats just my opinion i mean i am not hard or anything its just that i know a bunch of people who are like that.

[Snababo]

I think that we should always try and help people but if they don't take th help that is their problem. So tell them what to do and how to do it then either, Help if they start to work or walk away if they ignore you.

[Eternal_Love]

I think that we should always try and help people but if they don't take th help that is their problem. So tell them what to do and how to do it then either, Help if they start to work or walk away if they ignore you.

I would do the same

[NovaStar]

I always believe in helping people when I can, but I also believe that I notice when things go from being "Sure I'll help you' to them being dependant on you and becoming an invalid whom can do nothing. I'm sorry, but that's just not gonna fly.

You want money? Get a Job

You need help with something? I'll help you but pay attention, I will not do it again.

The people who ignore, want attention, and giving it to them is a pathetically easy thing to do, But ignoring them is even easier.

[Ramona Flowers]

You can't just put people into groups like that. Yeah, lazy kids in class got on my nerves, but there were times I've needed help in class. If I can tell someone was really trying and just didn't get it, of course I'll try to help them. 0_o

As for scenario 2:

I've had plenty of crack heads come up to me and try to bum money off of me. But not everyone is a druggy, and its not as simple as:

human helper: " get a job or study so that someone will hire you..."

human in need: " " (ignored human helper)

That's just flat out bull crap.
Life is so much more complicated than to just assume they're lazy-good-for-nothings cause they're not in college. Sometimes people are just dealt a bad hand it doesn't hurt to show someone kindness every now and then.
I mean, with common sense and eyesight you can usually tell if someone is trying to get money for negative purpose.

Just the other day when I came out of the store a man asked me where the YMCA was. He was obvisously not a drunk/druggy or anything of the sort, didn't ask for spare change or anything like that. He told me he was trying to get a job at someplace I've forgotten by now. I went back inside and bought him a loaf of bread and some lunch meet.

And guess what.. I didn't explode! :D

So if you ask me, some of you that have posted before me sound like the ignorant ones, but that's ok, it's not your fault.

[Baka]

Some times I'll buy homeless people food or beer. I guess I feel bad for them.

[XxTaintedxX]

I think scenerio 1 is a regular everyday human in need...
You can't blame somebody for that!
When they don't even understand the problem...
Sure they might be overexaggerating a bit but maybe they just don't wanna be the only one who doesn't understand it....
Think about it that way...
But, Scenerio 2 is a bit pathetic...but there some people who can't qualify for a job and can't get money...
Really, think about this people!

[Eris]

Copypasta from an old topic on the subject.

"First there's the sense that you "owe" it to the poor people that you are rich, that it's somehow immoral to be wealthy. It is not. Then, there's the fact that that charities most of the time have none -- or better yet ADVERSE effects on the people they try to help. A hefty cut of foreign aid money is absorbed by the local governments, and ends up financing a new solid golden swimming pool for the local dictator, so it never sees the face of whomever it was intended for. Finally, you know the old saying: Give a man a fish today and he will be hungry tomorrow, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime?

The only thing you accomplish by squandering money on charities is to buy a false sense of being a good person."

[prototypetetra]

invalid.. oh my god that was so funnyyyy... how i love hearing or reading about someone say that to someone else ohohohohohohoohoh....

well janeiro i mean of course it does not apply to critical situations like someone was sent to jail and needs bail money.. i mean how can this person go to school or work if he's locked up... i meant those within the bounds of logic..

but those who obviously do nothing but sit at home and claim they have no time to work or study but have the time to watch tv and play video games.. well thats obviously crap...

honestly.. i think homeless people and dereliques are somewhat psychologically or mentally challenged... hence they cannot make sound decisions for themselves ~ this should not apply to them really...

[Aizmov]

Copypasta from an old topic on the subject.

"First there's the sense that you "owe" it to the poor people that you are rich, that it's somehow immoral to be wealthy. It is not. Then, there's the fact that that charities most of the time have none -- or better yet ADVERSE effects on the people they try to help. A hefty cut of foreign aid money is absorbed by the local governments, and ends up financing a new solid golden swimming pool for the local dictator, so it never sees the face of whomever it was intended for. Finally, you know the old saying: Give a man a fish today and he will be hungry tomorrow, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime?

The only thing you accomplish by squandering money on charities is to buy a false sense of being a good person."

I agree.
That why I oppose all the liberal policies like welfare, increased taxes, universal healthcare, etc..
The rich owe nothing to the poor!

[Ramona Flowers]

invalid.. oh my god that was so funnyyyy... how i love hearing or reading about someone say that to someone else ohohohohohohoohoh....

well janeiro i mean of course it does not apply to critical situations like someone was sent to jail and needs bail money.. i mean how can this person go to school or work if he's locked up... i meant those within the bounds of logic..

but those who obviously do nothing but sit at home and claim they have no time to work or study but have the time to watch tv and play video games.. well thats obviously crap...

honestly.. i think homeless people and dereliques are somewhat psychologically or mentally challenged... hence they cannot make sound decisions for themselves ~ this should not apply to them really...




I never said anything about anyone in jail. 0_o And you never specified what kind of "people" you were talking about. You mere said "human in need."

And on that note there are plenty of homeless.. and dereliques isn't even a word.. you know, I'm just gonna stop here because this could so easily turn into a flame.

Please learn to spell. Please pick up a book.


Please get better at posting threads.

[Eris]

I agree.
That why I oppose all the liberal policies like welfare, increased taxes, universal healthcare, etc..
The rich owe nothing to the poor!

Technically, that's not liberal but socialist policies. Ideologically, liberalism promotes small government, free market, low taxes, etc. Ideally, the government's role in "liberal utopia" is to maintain a free and fair market unclogged by monopolies, and to keep order.

Socialism promotes big government, state property, public schools, public healthcare, high taxes that punishes wealth (funnels rich and poor alike towards the middle class). Economy is kept in check with protectionism, and using state property to balance the ups and downs on the market.

You shouldn't confuse liberalism the democrats.

[Aizmov]

Technically, that's not liberal but socialist policies. Ideologically, liberalism promotes small government, free market, low taxes, etc. Ideally, the government's role in "liberal utopia" is to maintain a free and fair market unclogged by monopolies, and to keep order.

Socialism promotes big government, state property, public schools, public healthcare, high taxes that punishes wealth (funnels rich and poor alike towards the middle class). Economy is kept in check with protectionism, and using state property to balance the ups and downs on the market.

You shouldn't confuse liberalism the democrats.

That's what is really bugging me, here in America conservatism is what liberalism is supposed to be, and liberalism is just pure socialism!

I want small government, free market, low taxes, etc. Which is supposed to be liberalism but is called conservatism here in America.

[Eris]

That's what is really bugging me, here in America conservatism is what liberalism is supposed to be, and liberalism is just pure socialism!

I want small government, free market, low taxes, etc. Which is supposed to be liberalism but is called conservatism here in America.

America's got it all mixed up.

Conservatism has conservative attitudes towards social liberties, but liberal attitudes to economy.
Liberalism has liberal attitudes towards social liberties, but socialist attitudes to economy.

Which makes no sense what so ever. Liberalism without liberal economy is sending mixed messages.

[Aizmov]

America's got it all mixed up.

Conservatism has conservative attitudes towards social liberties, but liberal attitudes to economy.
Liberalism has liberal attitudes towards social liberties, but socialist attitudes to economy.

Which makes no sense what so ever. Liberalism without liberal economy is sending mixed messages.

That's exactly how it is here.

What should happen, the Democratic party should be scrapped, and the Republican party split into those who are both liberal economically and socially and those who are liberal economically but not socially.

[prototypetetra]

well janeiro...

:smash: smash smash smash...

i think i know that you didnt say anything about anyone in jail.. its my own example to simply make it clearer...

you missed one... "mere"... "merely"...

i think you need to read a few books yourself...

you know janeiro... since you seem like you are having a teacher moment.. maybe you can teach me how to make good threads... im not really good at them you know... its always nice to learn new things.. doesnt matter from whom you learn it from you know...

:smooch:

-A

[Eris]

That's exactly how it is here.

What should happen, the Democratic party should be scrapped, and the Republican party split into those who are both liberal economically and socially and those who are liberal economically but not socially.

America needs to get rid of the silly two-party system. It's nothing but trouble, causes bizarre polarization and stagnancy. American politics is at an mexican standoff.

Turn the democratic party into the social democratic party.
Split the republicans into the religious nut party, and the liberal party.

[Aizmov]

America needs to get rid of the silly two-party system. It's nothing but trouble, causes bizarre polarization and stagnancy. American politics is at an mexican standoff.

Turn the democratic party into the social democratic party.
Split the republicans into the religious nut party, and the liberal party.


That could work, but how about also splitting the Democratic party? Into two, the Women's party and the Minorities' party :p
Splitting the Republican party without splitting the Democratic party will result in one big monopoly ruling the elections.

[Sanosuke23]

First and foremost, the word is derelict. Not hatin', just edumacatin'.

Moving on, *I* personally will help if I can. Don't know how to do something? I'll do it with you(not for you) until you know. Need money? If I'm in an exceptionally good mood I'll probably give you some money if you're polite and grateful for what I can spare. Otherwise if I think I can trust you I might ask you to run a few errands to earn it.

[MissChelly]

I'm all for helping someone in need, BUT the examples you've shown really aren't people who need help- they just want someone else to actually do the whole thing FOR them. Unfortunately there are people like that... they don't seem to realize it's not help they're looking for, it's someone to do their work for them. lol

Say someone needed help on homework. If they asked, I'd gladly SHOW them how to find the answer, but not actually give them the answer. Because then really, I wouldn't be actually helping them. If I just gave them the answer, what happens when another homework question like that arises? Or when they have a test on those questions? They still won't know how to do it and will still need some answers.

[prototypetetra]

I appreciate the correction Sanosuke, I will try to keep that in mind.

Reading Miss Chelly's post made me think of college. You see, I let people copy a few of my works because I copy from some of them on certain occasions myself. I guess that makes it more like an investment and not charity instead. But thinking about it further, I think back then we were, in a way, teaching each other something that can be useful after school and once we are working ~ teamwork and resourcefulness. That unconventional ways do exist to make things happen, to meet deadlines and to produce superior results.