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Pina Colada
08-19-2006, 03:49 PM
I have alot of veggetarian friends who are all about "saving the animals" and it made me curious to find out what you guys think about killing animals for food.

Misha1688
08-19-2006, 03:59 PM
I have always eaten meat, and in my opinion is normal to eat it cause it's part of a circle in the nature. We need to survive too and meat contains proteins (if i remember well) which are very useful for us. And if the hunting is done in the right quantities we wont disturb the nature's equilibre.

Pina Colada
08-19-2006, 04:10 PM
Yeah, I eat meat and what Veggetarians fail to realize that the more animals they save, the less food there is to go around, and animals begin dying anyway, of starvation. Then once they start dying, other animals that eat only meat will die too because their source of food are becoming harder to find.


Now dont get me wrong, I dont agree with animal cruelty (like owners beating their dogs, ect..) but I do agree with animals being food. I mean, even if we dont eat animals, predetors will, who dont give a crap if its "cruel" or not. And technically we are some of those predetors because we humans are physically designed to have animals be a source of food for us. I mean, thats why we have canine teeth, for tearing through the meat we eat.


Like I said, I heavily support the eating of meat, but I dont think the animals should be given a slow and painful death (like they sometimes are, which is sick) they should be killed quickly and painlessly

Riyokin
08-19-2006, 04:11 PM
It's true that we need to survive, I don't mind meat from animals. Personally I think human meat would taste better, even though its extremely potent and high in fat.

Shadow of nothin
08-19-2006, 04:30 PM
will i think they had some thing very weird in them brain

god created the animals for us .......

to eat them ..... and use them for our work some times

and the meat had alot of useful things for us

so god bless them and us

SGI
08-19-2006, 04:53 PM
I'm a self confessed carnivore, I gotta have my meat. I don't care if vegetarians don't eat meat. Because i'll gladly consume their share. But if they go and force their beliefs on me, I tell them where they can gladly go. And not come back.

Sagat
08-19-2006, 05:23 PM
I eat meat. I love meat. Today I ate a 1 lb. hamburger at Montana's cookhouse and loved it. If you don't want to eat meat fine but I don't wanna hear about it or the stupid crusade against eating meat.

It's called natural order and circle of life. Hasn't anyone watched lion king good god, Mufassa explained everything so clearly I don't know how there can be a debate on this.

Daenerys
08-19-2006, 05:27 PM
Not eating meat is unhealthy. I don't get why so many people are willing to starve thier body of natural nutrients, because it's "mean" to kill an animal, or "inhumane." which is funny, because animals aren't human.

Capernicus
08-19-2006, 05:28 PM
lol MEAT! Gotta have it. Your body needs proteins, without then you can't build muscle. Your health starts to deteriorate. Like when you don't see daylight for a really long time, you get sick. Everything on this earth we must use without waste. Not eating meat is a waste. God (if you beleive in him) gave man dominion over all the animals. We can kill and eat them if we like. =3

And how do we even know these animals have feelings? More like we're projecting our own emotions on them. All they feel is pain (which they would feel if we killed them or not), not injustice.

pyrothunder336
08-19-2006, 05:36 PM
Man I love eating meat. I personally think it's just natures way to eat meat. I mean the animals ate meat, and the animals they ate, ate meat etc. Since we are at the top of the food chain, it is only our way to eat animals. Also as Capernicus said. If we didn't eat them, they would just become waste.

On another note I say kill or be killed. Animals just happen to be the ones being killed. If they don't know any better than to allow themselves to be killed by machines on a farm, that's not my problem. Praise the meat!

FarEastStyle
08-19-2006, 05:41 PM
If you don't eat meat you'll get sick a couple people I know that tried going Vegetarian got sick. Me and my friends are part of the new peta, (people eating tasty animals). I know its awful to see animals suffer just so we can eat but we can't changed anything about it. Meat is good to eat and good for you. I remember when I saw those dudes beating those KFC chickens on the news it made me sooooo angry. Animals should be treated right, even if they are on their way to die.

viewtyjoe
08-19-2006, 06:04 PM
If it is edible, it is our duty to eat it. That's my stand.

Ami~chan
08-19-2006, 06:09 PM
I don't see anything wrong with not eating meat, but I don't see anything wrong with being an all-out carnivore; just don't start chewing on my arm.

I like some meat, like ham and turkey; I can't stand much else. It's nothing political, it's just my taste. If a person wants to skip out on eating meat, they better other foods to eat so they can get their protein.

I dislike it when people shove it in my face; a shark will eat a fish, so why shouldn't we?

Shiro Akuma
08-19-2006, 06:12 PM
If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

Joking aside, really for the most part, we generally eat mostly only four animals. Cows, chickens, pigs and fish, that's the big and main four. Sure we eat other animals but no where near as much as those four. And come on, because we like to eat them so much we breed them, granted for the main purpose of eating them, but none the less this guarantees these animals will never go extinct. Want to truly help keep an animal from going extinct? Make it very tasty, come up with numerous ways to cook and eat it, cause really, I've never heard about a shortage on steaks, bacon, eggs or fresh fish.

Luzifer
08-19-2006, 06:19 PM
The way I have always figured it was that if I don't eat cows, then the farms won't farm them and they will all be killed or set free... and if their set free they will go extinct REAL quick because they have been selectively breeded into an evolutionary dead end and thus they will all die. So basically eating meat, milk, and eggs is the only thing the keeps pigs,cows and chickens from going extinct. I'm saving a species one cheeseburger at a time.

Tsuna Kadiri
08-19-2006, 06:27 PM
The same thing happens out in the wild with predators and their prey. So, I wouldn't consider eating meat to be mean or unloving towards animals.

I like meat, and I could never be a vegetarian even if I tried.

Pina Colada
08-19-2006, 06:36 PM
I mean, if eating meat is so wrong and cruel, why would humans be created to have meat be a source of their food? the only thing I disagree with is the way some companies torture their animals before making them into food. I mean sheesh, let them die painlessly.

Masali
08-19-2006, 06:39 PM
What do you think Early man survived on? I don't think Homo Habilis went to the whole food mart and started buying Tofu by the ton. The human race grew up on meat, why stop?

Washiko
08-19-2006, 10:27 PM
I have enough food intolerances that I cannot really afford to be picky outside of them. Obviously, I dislike some of the practices of the food industry. Just because the animals are being raised for food does not justify raising them in horrible conditions, as many companies do.

As for homo sapiens in particular, while our ancestors survived for a lot of their existance on whatever we could gather interspersed with small periods of meat, meat does have a lot of nutrients that are difficult to find in the roots and berries that would have been their alternatives. The animals that we are closest related to are also omnivores.

I think personally we should just be happy as a society that it is possible for someone to eat nutritiously without having to eat meat, whatever their reason might be.

Manhattan_Project_2000
08-19-2006, 10:45 PM
Meat is the most efficient way to get energy. So, I'm going to stick with the factory packed animal corpses as the Meal of Champions

darkheart1252
08-19-2006, 10:54 PM
Not eating meat is unhealthy. I don't get why so many people are willing to starve thier body of natural nutrients, because it's "mean" to kill an animal, or "inhumane." which is funny, because animals aren't human.that's really not true..the human body can easily go without meat and some people depending on their immune system are better off that way..


as for me though, i think imma have some mcdonalds tomorrow ^^

i love my heartattack burgers

Athena
08-19-2006, 11:01 PM
What do you think Early man survived on? I don't think Homo Habilis went to the whole food mart and started buying Tofu by the ton. The human race grew up on meat, why stop?
I agree with you.

International 4-8818
08-19-2006, 11:09 PM
HAHAHAHA! you all make me laugh. Meat is our food. We are animals and we eat both animals and vegies. The wholle fema and crew want to save the animals when it is our basic instinct to eat meat. Meat is a neccesary protein in order for us to function. Now here's something interesting that i heard on the radio on the way home. I heard that tofu is actually not something as good as it appears. Tofu is a plant estrogen. So they people thah eat it who think that they are doing something good for the enviroment are actually doing harm to their testoserone cont goes done and it can harm the estrogen in a woman to. Tofu was made by old monks in yesteryears so that they canbe celebate. Hey you learn something every year. No wonder emo guys were tight pants. HAHAHA!

Dark_Cloud-Xiao
08-20-2006, 12:08 AM
I don't like the idea of killing animals but you still have to eat meat other wise you can get sick so i don't eat too much of it

Rin!
08-20-2006, 12:22 AM
If it tastes good I've probably already eaten it of Im about to.. or . I don't have enough money.

Hinata14
08-20-2006, 12:33 AM
I have four words,Survival of the fitest. I love meat. I need it. If anyone who has had an in-and-out burger knows that meat is yummy.

Cat_Demon
08-20-2006, 12:39 AM
I'm not going to hate on the vegs. But you say "save a life" a plant has a life to. Just cause it doesn't cry doesn't mean its alive.

I have always eaten meat, as well as other things. I don't like taking pills, or eating beans to replace the things I be missing.

.fire starter.
08-20-2006, 12:56 AM
I don't like the idea of just eating things that aren't meat. First thing, it's good to have a healthy diet, and to do so you should eat meat. You should have every food from all the food groups. And, if we didn't eat some animals, they would become overpopulated, so we'd have to kill them anyway or they'd just die off from not having enough resources to live on or not a enough space to call a suitable habitat. Humans have been been eating meat for centuries, why should we stop now?

aimforthetop
08-20-2006, 01:30 AM
i believe that god didnt put cows here for pets

Fabala
08-20-2006, 01:31 AM
I was a vegetarian for a while, but then I reintroduced chicken and turkey into my diet because I needed the protein (I'm hypoglycemic). While it's true that I started due to feelings about animal rights, I've since shifted into it simply being a way of life. I've had no meat other than chicken and turkey (no fish ;p) since about the 5th grade...and I'm now 21.

Now, I'm not one to shove my beliefs down another person's throat. Honestly, I don't. Ask Don SGI about that. I'm perfectly happy not eating it, and not bothered by other people eating it.

What DOES bother me is the ignorance of people who complain about vegetarians "shoving their beliefs" on them, while they themselves are spouting off nonsense about nature and the "circle of life." How is that ANY different than what they're complaining about? Tell me. I get along perfectly fine and healthy without fish or red meat. I'm certainly not shriveling up and dying without it, hm? I don't care that people can and do eat meat. I don't. But I don't condemn them for their beliefs unless they start condemning me for mine.

Is it really so strange to be given the same respect that I grant other people? I don't think so...

aimforthetop
08-20-2006, 01:33 AM
I'm not going to hate on the vegs. But you say "save a life" a plant has a life to. Just cause it doesn't cry doesn't mean its alive.

I have always eaten meat, as well as other things. I don't like taking pills, or eating beans to replace the things I be missing.the grass doesnt feel pain though and neither do the trees on the other hand the way they kill the cows and chickens and stuff is almost painless its not like they kick it to death or beat it with a shovel

aimforthetop
08-20-2006, 01:35 AM
I have four words,Survival of the fitest. I love meat. I need it. If anyone who has had an in-and-out burger knows that meat is yummy.technically speaking humans are not the fittest but we are smarter. if you were put in the wild with a bunny a lion and a wolf who would be the last one standing, not you

Princess Cupcake
08-20-2006, 01:43 AM
I eat meat. I hate the idea of killing animals for it though. Killing is tough for some but it's how we live. Everything dies... if you don't eat the animal for food it's going to die anyway. Why not make use of it?

International 4-8818
08-20-2006, 01:56 AM
technically speaking humans are not the fittest but we are smarter. if you were put in the wild with a bunny a lion and a wolf who would be the last one standing, not you

Im confused with what you just said. You are implying that humans can still survive even though we are not that strong but we have the brains to out wit them. But now you are saying that we can't? Anyway a bunny? Come on. Easy kill. Lions and wolfs will just slaughter us, unless we use trickery. And plus you said that chickens are killed harlessly. Mayeb you havn'theard of the technique that they have just used. They gather up all of the chickens and put them in a room. Then they start to take out all of the air out of the room. Yeah suffocation! yeah who said that killing is painless? And yes in some places they do slam the chickens against walls to stun them and then kill them, and yes they usually use shovels.


Hinata14 your quote about the in and out and meat tasting good. Yes it is good, but it is called thousand island dressing, buns, tomato, lettuce, cheese, and if so ketchup and mustard.

But plain meet always taste so good.

Cat_Demon
08-20-2006, 02:35 AM
the grass doesnt feel pain though and neither do the trees on the other hand the way they kill the cows and chickens and stuff is almost painless its not like they kick it to death or beat it with a shovel
You can't say something doesn't feel because it doesn't show feeling. When you cut it, most likely it will regrow. Over due time. And just like an animal it dies. Animals eat animals and plants. We are an animal. Simple.

der Scharfschüt
08-20-2006, 02:44 AM
well(in my opinion) animals were pretty much put on earth to serve man, and that means anything from being a pet, transportation, or even being used as food. (like I said this is just my opinion)

Wolfwood
08-20-2006, 02:57 AM
i love australia. we got actors promoting the eating of meat ^^ i love that ad.
i'll eat meat till i die. and dont say its wrong cause i dont see the animals who died for dinner. cause i spent lots of time on my grand parents farm and i even got to know the cows before they'd choose one to fatten up and kill to give meat to other family members.
trust me, its a good life before they die O_o nothing but food food and more food. just doing what they want with all they could want to eat.

anyway, i'm straying of track ^^;
i just eat meat cause well, it tastes good, it gives ya lots of good stuff for ya body, and we're meant to eat it cause we're built too. look at our teeth :p

=[[Wolfwood]]=

Manhattan_Project_2000
08-20-2006, 10:33 AM
What DOES bother me is the ignorance of people who complain about vegetarians "shoving their beliefs" on them, while they themselves are spouting off nonsense about nature and the "circle of life." How is that ANY different than what they're complaining about? Tell me. I get along perfectly fine and healthy without fish or red meat. I'm certainly not shriveling up and dying without it, hm? I don't care that people can and do eat meat. I don't. But I don't condemn them for their beliefs unless they start condemning me for mine.

The problem isn't that vegetarians eat no meat; it's that that many vegetarians try to guilt people into eating an unnatural diet. It's natural for a human to eat meat. It's natural for animals to be eaten. It's not natural for a human to subsist on vegetation, although it is possible to do so. But doing so does not make someone a better person.

Many vegetarians take the position that they are morally superior to a person with an omnivorous diet. The simple fact they eat no meat isn't offensive. It's that they think that not eating a dead cow somehow exonerates them from the countless animals killed in their name every day. Unless they live in a commune that receives no imports from the outside world, they're hypocrites. They could have done more, but they didn't want it to have an effect on their busy lifestyle of consumption. Moral Vegetarianism is an empty gesture at best.

So, if you have problems with people condemning vegetarianism, it’s the fault of the Moral Vegetarians; spouting their inane beliefs does not make them many friends. I, like most people, don’t like being preached at, especially when it’s about such a short-sighted and meaningless gesture.

Fabala
08-20-2006, 11:00 AM
I understand where the real complaint comes from. And by real I mean people who have actually been preached at by an overzealous vegetarian or vegan...not someone following the crowd. However, that doesn't mean everyone who doesn't eat red meat should be preached at or complained about. Or deserves to be. Like I said, I don't push beliefs on people. Many vegetarians, semi-vegetarians, and vegans don't.

[Boolean]
08-20-2006, 12:23 PM
I'm not vegetarian, but I dislike some meats like steak, beef, and pork. I do like chicken and turkey however, and an exception for beef would be beef jerky, which is one of my favorite foods.

Unlike a friend of mine though, I love vegetables. Carrots, spinach, lettuce; all that good stuff! ^^ I also enjoy eating tofu!

Ichiro Matsuchani
08-20-2006, 12:27 PM
It kind of reminds me of tree huggers for some reason, but that's besides the point.

Vegetarians, most of the time at least, just don't eat meat because they don't like the thought of eating something that was once living. I'm fine with that; they seem to find the right nutritional value in all the assortment of other foods. I think going on to say that saving the animals is a bit extreme. One person not eating meat is not going to change that fact that there are billions upon billions more that continue to consume it.

Ωmega
08-20-2006, 12:28 PM
Im a big meat eater...I mean I love meat. And I see nothing wrong with eating meat. Are you going to tell a lion/tiger/other wild animal not to eat meat and try to give them a carrot instead? No! Its a fact of life: animals eat other animals. So until PETA or some Vegitarian group gets wild animals to become vegitarians too, then Im going to continue to eat my meat damnit!

Rageling
08-20-2006, 12:49 PM
People are omnivores, we are built to eat both meat and vegetation, so why would anyone think we were supposed to do otherwise? If you don't want to eat meat fine, but let me keep my meat and eat it as nature intended.

Pina Colada
08-20-2006, 03:34 PM
It's natural for a human to eat meat.
exactly. I hate it when I hear "Animals arent ours to eat" well, if they arent, why do we have canine teeth? Our canine teeth's sole purpose is to tear through meat, which is proof enough that humans are meant to eat meat.

Furubalova
08-20-2006, 06:34 PM
ok ums i feel bad for the animals that are in my stomach. i can't help it, they taste too good for me to stop! XD lol jp i'll never stop! bwahahahahaha!

Sinnaku
08-20-2006, 08:30 PM
Meat is good. And it's good for you. Without meat you are unhealthy. It gives thousonds of resources the human body needs to survive. Vegetarians are crazy. Buncha crazy political activists. Hope you don't feel too much pain when your stumach collapses.

the_last_icarian
08-20-2006, 08:49 PM
I'm not a vegetarian myself but I think that if you refuse to eat meat, you're not exactly going to save the animals because someone else will eat it anyway, right? Yes it's sad that animals are dying to feed us, but unless you are going on a hunger strike, refusing to eat meat won't make much of a difference.

That's my opinion anyway ^^. It's good that some people care enough about animals to sacrifice themselves. I however, refuse to eat vegetables... Not to save them, mind you.

Miss Moonlight
08-21-2006, 09:20 PM
I don't believe in the cruel practices used to kill animals to make our food .. but even then, I still eat it, just that i'm not a really big meat eater.

Piper
08-21-2006, 09:23 PM
I know this sounds crazy, but the only meat I eat is chicken. I dislike pork, turkey, etc.. I will eat hamburgers, when they're BBQ'ed, that's it. And I'll eat Turkey, but ONLY on Thanksgiving.. xD So one day out of the year. And we BBQ, maybe... 7-8 times a year. So, usually I eat a lot of chicken. ^^; No other meats. And only because I really don't like them, not because I'm a vegan or whatnot.. o_o

And I hate seafood. Gross. xD Soo.. Just chicken really.. o_o Sad, I know.

Black and White
08-21-2006, 09:28 PM
Meat is good, you need it to survive. I like meat. I eat meat. and now I want some.

Sailor Lunar Eclipse
08-21-2006, 09:32 PM
Meat is good, you need it to survive. I like meat. I eat meat. and now I want some.Wow...My thoughts exactly.
Meat is there to eat! And now i want to have a huge steak...

Washiko
08-21-2006, 09:38 PM
Now I'm a bit confused. I know plenty of vegitarians that are in better shape than I am. I'm not just talking about how they are skinny, and not all of them are, but many of them are athletes. While perhaps it is difficult to get perfectly balanced nutrition while not eating meat, many people manage it. It takes a lot of research, of course, but then not eating any specific kind of food does. Not to mention that it is possible to be allergic to meat proteins, and thus I know one person who is not a vegetarian by choice.

Whether or not to eat meat is entirely a personal choice. Yes, some people insist that others not eat it either, although admittedly, I've never met anyone like that. But who are we to force someone else to eat something they do not find appealing? They are responsible for their own health, just as we are responsible for our own. Obviously more people in this topic, at least, eat meat, but that doesn't make vegetarians wrong.