Who was worse: Hitler or Stalin?

[Aburakoji Aiko]

Who was more tyrannical (if that word exists anywhere)? Did one deserve to die more than the other?
You can put your opinion here, but post smart!

[Señor Nobody]

I think they are both equal, but I chose Hitler, The evil FREAK.

[Slayerfan]

Hitler was by far worse than Stalin. If Hitler wanted this done this way and you din't do it right, you were shot. But in Stalin's case the punishments were much lighter.

[Marie2007]

They are both equal but Hitler was a lot worse

[Gjallarhorn]

Hitler was a twisted, morally bankrupt, misguided, and undeniably insane. Consider that he has holocaust behind him, as well as the fact that Nazi Germany was the cause of most of the problems for the Allies in World War 2. The man was a brilliant orator, and was a very persuasive ruler.
So yes, Hitler has my vote in this.

[En Svensk Tiger]

They were both nice guys I'd say. A bit misunderstood perhaps, but good with children and nice to old people.

[devil rider]

Hitler did a lot worse things.

[Buruku]

They are both equal but Hitler was a lot worse
haha^

Oh, and Hitler is without a doubt the worst out of the two. I could give everyone an essay on Hitler and the holocaust, telling of all the horrid things he did, but i'll just second what XeroIII said.

[Sagat]

Hitler was by far worse than Stalin. If Hitler wanted this done this way and you din't do it right, you were shot. But in Stalin's case the punishments were much lighter.What and you think the great father of communism was any different? You realize Stalin, with his purges and with political prisoners, killed more than Hitler did, right? I'm sure you did.

I choose Hitler though, but not over something like body count.

[Slayerfan]

Well duhh of course i knew Stalin murdered more people than Hitler but i'm just saying.

[Sagat]

Yeah, I'm sure you did, that's why you said Stalin's punishments were much lighter.

Hitler would shoot you and that would be it (most of the time). Stalin had you put to forced labour for 10 years living off stale bread and dirty water, doing back breaking work in a Gulag.

Yeah, that's much nicer and lighter than the quick death a bullet has to offer :rolleyes:

[Eris]

What and you think the great father of communism was any different? You realize Stalin, with his purges and with political prisoners, killed more than Hitler did, right? I'm sure you did.

I choose Hitler though, but not over something like body count.

... father of communism? More like the son of communism.


Yeah, I'm sure you did, that's why you said Stalin's punishments were much lighter.

Hitler would shoot you and that would be it (most of the time). Stalin had you put to forced labour for 10 years living off stale bread and dirty water, doing back breaking work in a Gulag.

Yeah, that's much nicer and lighter than the quick death a bullet has to offer :rolleyes:

And Auschwitz was?

[Sagat]

I said that because he once referred to himself as "the great white father of communism" in reference to many portraits of himself in a white uniform.

[Slayerfan]

Hitler would shoot you and that would be it (most of the time). Stalin had you put to forced labour for 10 years living off stale bread and dirty water, doing back breaking work in a Gulag.

Yeah, that's much nicer and lighter than the quick death a bullet has to offer :rolleyes:
Yes and i suppose being gassed, burned to death, hung, starved and beaten (in Hitler's ruling) is a walk thriugh daisy's i guess right?

[Sagat]

And Auschwitz was?Why, Auschwitz and Stalag Luft III or Jlag's were great houses of fun!

Now you're splitting hairs .. we're all aware of the Nazi camps. Stalin still sent more to such a fate with his great purges.

[Slayerfan]

Hitler would shoot you and that would be it (most of the time). Stalin had you put to forced labour for 10 years living off stale bread and dirty water, doing back breaking work in a Gulag.

Yeah, that's much nicer and lighter than the quick death a bullet has to offer :rolleyes:
Yes and i suppose being gassed, burned to death, hung, starved and beaten (in Hitler's ruling) is a walk through daisy's right?

[MistressPookyChan]

The "facts" you all are stating make my little political science heart cry. Please, read up on both people before making broad generalizations. kthxbye

Both were horrible people that massacred millions so it's hard to pick the worse of the two. But, my I'm going with Stalin. There are records of who Hitler killed, but many families still don't know what happened to their loved ones under Stalin's regime. Stalin played up the social fear technique, which is often worse (but more effective?) than anything physical harm could do.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I'd say Stalin because even if I were to ignore the fact that his plans killed more people then the Holocaust, the level of fear he generated was such that even his most ardent supporters were terrified of him. Hitler… not so much.

What I'm wondering is, Why no Mao? He killed more of his own countrymen than either of them. Why does he always get skipped over?

[Kishiro]

I'd say Stalin because even if I were to ignore the fact that his plans killed more people then the Holocaust, the level of fear he generated was such that even his most ardent supporters were terrified of him. Hitler… not so much.

What I'm wondering is, Why no Mao? He killed more of his own countrymen than either of them. Why does he always get skipped over?Because most people couldn't tell you anything about Mao Tse-Tsung. Really, most people couldn't tell you anthing about Stalin either. Which is probably why so many more people chose Hitler.

I'm glad you brought Mao up. Make it easier on them, give us one of your trademark wikipedia links.

And while we're bringing up others. Let's talk mister 20 dollar bill himself, Andrew Jackson. He's not better than any of those three.

[Sagat]

Hey good point about Mao, one of the more disturbing things I've read was how families were torn apart from reporting on eachother during the Cultural Revolution.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I'm glad you brought Mao up. Make it easier on them, give us one of your trademark wikipedia links.
For everyone's reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

[Eris]

What I'm wondering is, Why no Mao? He killed more of his own countrymen than either of them. Why does he always get skipped over?

Funny anecdote; When I was a kid, I had this white plush bear that I gave the name Mao.

[Kishiro]

Was it spelled Zedong? I though it was Tse Tsung. I google the names, and the pictures are exactly the same looking, even with the different names.

[Eris]

Was it spelled Zedong? I though it was Tse Tsung. I google the names, and the pictures are exactly the same looking, even with the different names.

This explains the different spellings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization

[thekaratekid]

They were both nice guys I'd say. A bit misunderstood perhaps, but good with children and nice to old people......ok hey it your opinion.(f:eek: :eek: #$*@:badrazz: :badrazz: )- now thats my opinion:D

[thekaratekid]

hmmm...*looks up ww2 in textbook* yea im going wit hitler yep hitler

[Kishiro]

Not that I have a problem with cursing. But yeesh!

Dude, edit your post before a mod gets to it AND you. NOW.

Anyways, enough of that crap already. This is an interesting thread, and if it gets closed because one of you cursed... I'll be mad. And we'll leave it at that.

[German_Sniper9]

I think they equal,
Hitler killed alot but Stalin killed more
Hitler started WWII
Stalin started The Cold War
They both planned to attack America
They both wanted alot of power
Hitler started the problems in the middle-east
Stalin started communist/dictator problems
But Hitler started a whole new type of raciest acts,
but.... alot of our items came from Germany during
WWII, like jet planes, A-bomb, ect
I cant just choose the worse, they both have up's and down's
but i kinda think Stalin is just alittle bit more worse
(no offence, its just what i think)

[Eris]

I think they equal,
Hitler killed alot but Stalin killed more
Hitler started WWII
Stalin started The Cold War
They both planned to attack America
They both wanted alot of power
Hitler started the problems in the middle-east
Stalin started communist/dictator problems
But Hitler started a whole new type of raciest acts,
but.... alot of our items came from Germany during
WWII, like jet planes, A-bomb, ect
I cant just choose the worse, they both have up's and down's
but i kinda think Stalin is just alittle bit more worse
(no offence, its just what i think)

Stalin did not "start" the cold war. It was bound to happen the day the first A-bomb dropped.

Hitler did not plan to attack America. His main goal was to conquer Europe, not the world.

Blaming Nazi racism on Hitler is like blaming Bush for Abu Grahib.

[Ensiferum]

Although, Hitler...a very evil man, he had one good point..and I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RACIST IN ANYWAY.

Colours should stick with colours..socially, I think that's a fine way to live.
Put it this way...Say (JUST SAY) you're black...you're family moves to Canada from Jamaca..or something right? You're a little boy/girl in a society were everyone is different..that's going to hurt a kid mentally...So I think he had some good points...but he enforced them a little violently...

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Blaming Nazi racism on Hitler is like blaming Bush for Abu Grahib.
Perfectly Reasonable?

[Eris]

Perfectly Reasonable?

Not really, they're both just the charismatic leader fooling the gullible people, they wouldn't be leading their nations without someone seriously wanting them there.

[Kishiro]

Although, Hitler...a very evil man, he had one good point..and I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RACIST IN ANYWAY.

Colours should stick with colours..socially, I think that's a fine way to live.
Put it this way...Say (JUST SAY) you're black...you're family moves to Canada from Jamaca..or something right? You're a little boy/girl in a society were everyone is different..that's going to hurt a kid mentally...So I think he had some good points...but he enforced them a little violently...Moron.

If people stuck to seperatism, and "their own kind". I wouldn't have been born.

Humans, are our "own kind". And it doesn't need to get any more divided than that. Don't you get that very way of thinking helps perpetuate racism, and ignorance about other cultures?

You're views and agreeance with Hitler's seperatist policy makes you almost as bad as a Neo Nazi.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Not really, they're both just the charismatic leader fooling the gullible people, they wouldn't be leading their nations without someone seriously wanting them there.
But they still should be blamed for their actions. It's not as though, in either case, the leaders weren't aware of what was happening.


I mean, both FDR and Churchill can be deemed charismatic leaders, and for the most part they kept away from doing the the stuff people would lable evil.


Although, Hitler...a very evil man, he had one good point..and I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RACIST IN ANYWAY.

Colours should stick with colours..socially, I think that's a fine way to live.
Put it this way...Say (JUST SAY) you're black...you're family moves to Canada from Jamaca..or something right? You're a little boy/girl in a society were everyone is different..that's going to hurt a kid mentally...So I think he had some good points...but he enforced them a little violently...
And to think, previously I had you pegged as "a little Racist." If you even agree with the smallest bit of the sentiment behind the Holocaust then I think you should move to another board. You won't find anyone here who'd like to hear about your stupid racist beliefs.

[Sagat]

Although, Hitler...a very evil man, he had one good point..and I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RACIST IN ANYWAY.

Colours should stick with colours..socially, I think that's a fine way to live.
Put it this way...Say (JUST SAY) you're black...you're family moves to Canada from Jamaca..or something right? You're a little boy/girl in a society were everyone is different..that's going to hurt a kid mentally...So I think he had some good points...but he enforced them a little violently...It sort of pains me to know you're a fellow Canadian. This country values diversity, I'm sure over your years in school our propaganda has informed you of the cultural mosaic we have, and despite that our country is virtually socialist, people - myself included, take pride that people from all races and countries feel they can find a home here.

I may strongly dislike Canadas continual effort to make all the blocks fall into place and offering better things to non-whites (ie, the free university for aboriginals) but the moment we start thinking in terms of separation by race, sticking to our own kind, is the moment hatred begins to dictate what we see, think and hear ... and I know a lot on the subject of hatred and it's effects. From that separatist attitude which is basically racist, it's a downward spiral which will only fester into worse and worse beliefs.

I don't think you have any place whatsoever in Canada. It pisses me off to know that my job is to protect opinions like yours.

[Ensiferum]

I guess..I can't bring real situations in this board...think what you want, it won't change how I think, and everyone I know...thinks the same..because, we're racist aren't we? heh, I guess so... I might as well comeout and say it, since you guys "Pegged" me as a little racist. I'll give you what you want to hear...

I AM A RACIST! OMG! (<---sarcasm) I never said I hate any race...I just think Hitler had some what of a point...So, I'm agreeing with him, it's not like I'm going to try and enforce his law, I have no problem with different races...Because I said I'd be fine with living like that...

[Kishiro]

I guess..I can't bring real situations in this board...think what you want, it won't change how I think, and everyone I know...thinks the same..because, we're racist aren't we? heh, I guess so... I might as well comeout and say it, since you guys "Pegged" me as a little racist. I'll give you what you want to hear...

I AM A RACIST! OMG! (<---sarcasm) I never said I hate any race...I just think Hitler had some what of a point...So, I'm agreeing with him, it's not like I'm going to try and enforce his law, I have no problem with different races...Because I said I'd be fine with living like that...When you say you support the ideals of such a terrible person, with such terrible ideals. That are indeed promoting racism. Then yeah. That very well make you a racist. Not to mention the other little stunts you've pulled in your short less than 50 post time you've been here.

It may be an open forum. And you are entitled to your opinion.

But don't think you won't have your posterior handed to you on a silver platter when you start spouting off ignorance and prejudice statements and ideals. You won't last much longer.

[German_Sniper9]

Stalin did not "start" the cold war. It was bound to happen the day the first A-bomb dropped.

Hitler did not plan to attack America. His main goal was to conquer Europe, not the world.

Blaming Nazi racism on Hitler is like blaming Bush for Abu Grahib.in hitler's books and documents he told about plans on attacking america
he was even building a bomber plane that could fly over to america
But you are right that he had no plan to take over america, but he did
plan attack and to go to war with america


Hitler didnt start racism but he raised its level
with his powerful speeches


As for the cold war...
Stalin, didnt see, eye to eye with the allies,
and most of what Stalin did added fuel for the cold war

[miss honeybee ai]

Who was more tyrannical (if that word exists anywhere)? Did one deserve to die more than the other?
You can put your opinion here, but post smart!
princess ai..
oh damn she wasnt a option

Stalin
hitler at least had his act together

[Ayame_Sohma]

Hitler was a twisted, morally bankrupt, misguided, and undeniably insane. Consider that he has holocaust behind him, as well as the fact that Nazi Germany was the cause of most of the problems for the Allies in World War 2. The man was a brilliant orator, and was a very persuasive ruler.
So yes, Hitler has my vote in this.

Yep i agree with you

[Kewii]

Just a bit of an interesting antecdote. I took a Russian History class this year and of course we talked about Stalin quite a bit.

But the day the lectures on communism started, our professor put up his computer and put a symbol of the sickle and hammer on the screen. Then he left the room. He came back 10 minutes later and asked if anyone was offended. No one said they were. He asked if it had been a nazi symbol who would be offended. Most of the class said they would've been.

He then said his goal by the end of the term was to show that the sickle and hammer should be just as offensive as the swastika because the communist regime created just as much--if not more--destruction.

And the reason I mentioned this is because so many people just assume Hitler is worse because they know more about him. For obvious reasons, Stalin's actions were less known of. There's stuff that we're still just discovering. An example is the Katyn Forest Massacre, where 15,000 Polish officers were executed. At the time, it was assumed the Soviets did it, but this assumption outraged them and they denied it and claimed the Germans were slandering them. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was revealed they had done it and Stalin had even signed off on the order.


In terms of Stalin and Hitler. They both did terrible things. They both killed mass amounts of people for their own justifications. Hitler set out to use the Jewish as scapegoats and when he couldn't get other countries to take his Jewish population (because everywhere was anti-semitic--not just Germany) he eventually resorted to the camps.

Stalin, on the other hand, let his paranoia rule his reign. He developed the Five Year Plans (which were massive successes, by the way) to compete with the Americans/Western powers. But to use the Five Year Plans, he needed Gulags and he needed to exploit the workers and collectives.

Both did terrible things. In the end, I wouldn't choose that one is worse than the other. They both deserve to rot in hell.

[Eris]

People are not offended by the Swastika because Hitler killed people. The nazis were the quintessential enemy force, and this picture has been inprinted on our minds. It was the conquering of half of Europe that created a "bad name" so to speak, the threat of any day now seeing Nazi bombers in the sky above your city. Hitler didn't just kill his own people's families, he killed your family.

Stalin never planned to conquer Europe (that was more along Trotsky's ideas), or the US for that sake. He didn't need to, since he already had his Empire, no-one's home (outside of the USSR) ever was bombed to rubble. During the CW, the threat was there, yes, but did it actually happen? No.

Therefore the Nazis left a conciderably deeper inprint in the common conscience.

Note that this is not in any way judgmental, it's an observation; not a statement of how things should be, or if this is right or wrong.

[Kishiro]

Another neat little anectdote.

The Swastika was originally a symbol for good luck, and prosperity-- a hindu symbol if I'm not mistaken. Hitler knew this. He then took it for his own, turned it around so that it was backwards, and then put it on its corner to represent himself and his force.

He's some Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) for you. It depcits the many forms, and evolution of the swastika.

Did I do good, Mp2k? XD

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Another neat little anectdote.

The Swastika was originally a symbol for good luck, and prosperity-- a hindu symbol if I'm not mistaken. Hitler knew this. He then took it for his own, turned it around so that it was backwards, and then put it on its corner to represent himself and his force.

He's some Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) for you. It depcits the many forms, and evolution of the swastika.

Did I do good, Mp2k? XD
Sí Senior. :D

I agree that Hitler starting WW2 is more the reason that people will pick him over Stalin and Mao. Still, I think the numbers of people they killed, and the harm they caused (and are still causing) to their respective countries makes Hitler look like an underachiever.

[Ami~chan]

They both killed people, destroyed lives, and hurt innocent. I'm no history know-it-all. From what I do know, is that they were both really, really bad men. That may seem like a very preschool thing to say, but they were. Choosing between the two is like choosing between the lesser of the two evils. I, for one, think they deserve to burn in Hell (or whereever the heck they go after they died) and deserve no mercy.

I can't really choose; I understand many people think Hitler was worse because of WW2 and the Holocaust. Stalin was no angel though, and he did he share. I just don't think there would be a way to choose the worst of the two.

[Inuyashayoukai2]

Deffinintly Stalin i mean hell Hitler was scared of him so he had to be bad *** also i recommend you guyz watch Enemy at the Gates it is a movie based on WW2 and its really good... Staling Executed 400 of his best soldiers for now reason so lol yeah Stalin

[lorie]

I really don't know. Hitler was more famous for his evil deeds than stalin. Hitler did what he did because he hated losing or cowering to the jews. Thats how he was. But then he culdnt really help it if he hated them but he seriously went too far. I mean kill everyone and waste all those lives? He was clever though. He knew how to keep people happy and torturing others at the same time. Not a good quality but if it was somehow switched aroung it could havebeen used for much better purposes.

[Raine Dragon]

hitler, because genocide doesn't = cool :(

[Aburakoji Aiko]

Wow! I never knew that this topic would be a huge hit! >__>;;

Here's some backround info about both Hitler and Stalin (for those who care.) Because, surprisingly, I took pity on them. Both as children lived in hostile enviroments caused by their fathers. Not only that, but both were rather artistic..Only problem was that Hitler got pissed off at some men who would not accept him at their art academy(?) since he was unable to draw people and only landscapes. Stalin was a poet, and at first wrote romantic poems, but he gradually started to write more gruesome poetry..
Pity them yet? o__o;;

[Piper]

I would have to go with Hitler. Although Stalin was a crude selfish prune himself. -_-' But to think this thread got so long, makes me disgusted. To think both of these men deserve such attention is ridicule. They are the past. They are obsolete. They are fools. They are dead. <3

This is why I been avoiding this thread so much, but it's hard to keep overlooking it, when it's popping up in misc as the first thread, everytime I am posting.

[Bibi of the Blue Sea]

well, hitler was a genius. how did he manage to get so many to follow him so blindly? if only he used what he had for something better like ending worldwide hunger or saving the planet. Stalin on the other hand, was not such a great leader. he didnt have scores of people who would die for him.

well i'll go with hitler on this one. he was terrible and his goals were ghastly. he was definately the worse of the two. imagine if you lived in a place where not agreeing with hitler and his views meant death...

[Dr.McDoom!]

Herh!!! You think the russians weren't that bad?
1954 - The Russian government develops nuclear weaponry. They were so anxious to try out their new toy, they called about 400.000 of THEIR OWN soldiers to a remote desert place, in Russia. And BOOM! they were very pleased to see that all the soldiers were dead.
Plus, did you ever hear of "The Soviet Soldier Walk"? They just keep walkin forward and shootin' through explosions or anything. They won't stop walkin till they die.

Anyway, Stalin wasn't that scary so... i guess Hitler wins for his headstrong character.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I would have to go with Hitler. Although Stalin was a crude selfish prune himself. -_-' But to think this thread got so long, makes me disgusted. To think both of these men deserve such attention is ridicule. They are the past. They are obsolete. They are fools. They are dead. <3

This is why I been avoiding this thread so much, but it's hard to keep overlooking it, when it's popping up in misc as the first thread, everytime I am posting.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it, no?

[Piper]

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it, no?It's already repeating. Regardless if we know about it or not. =p There will -always- be future wars. It's not in humanity to live in peace. It's not possible, I'll tell you why.. Because peace is boring.. It's nice, but boring. Humanity needs something to give them a purpose. That and country leaders will never see eye to eye on different situations. xD

[Inuyashayoukai2]

although Genocide is wrong look at the world today msot of us can agree tat it is way way way over populated hell with the Inflation of gas Prices one day we will all be dead unless idk Genocide... yes it kills alot of pple but in the long run it would save alot more.

[Sagat]

The world is not overpopulated. The world, in case you haven't noticed, is pretty big. It can easily support humanity far beyond the number of people we have now, however what it cannot support is our industry.

[Inuyashayoukai2]

your wrong Sagat, in case you havent noticed our resources are slowly but surely being used way to much . so dont tell me tehre isnt to manny people here

[German_Sniper9]

The world is not overpopulated. The world, in case you haven't noticed, is pretty big. It can easily support humanity far beyond the number of people we have now, however what it cannot support is our industry.in places like China, Japan, and America (in certain area's) are heavly
populated , but i agree with you sagat, the world isnt over populated,


although Genocide is wrong look at the world today msot of us can agree tat it is way way way over populated hell with the Inflation of gas Prices one day we will all be dead unless idk Genocide... yes it kills alot of pple but in the long run it would save alot more.When we have another ice age..(the way the world is going, we will have a ice age) the number hitler and stalin killed would be nothing compared to the number lost in the 2nd ice age, think about it, food will be in short supply,
countries and governments will fall, and the humanity (if anyone is still alive)
,the years and days of the ice age could last could be hard to believe, and the ice age could also might not go way

[Kishiro]

your wrong Sagat, in case you havent noticed our resources are slowly but surely being used way to much . so dont tell me tehre isnt to manny people hereActually, you're the one who is off here.

Wanna know why?

Because the number of people being on this planet is only partially to blame for the consumption of resources at and accelerated rate.

Yeah, China's buying up large quanitites of fuel, and has now replaced the USA as number one fuel consumer, but you must also realize that humans are wasting much of the resources, energy, and fuel. If we were to go about things more intelligently, and use cleaner and much more easily renewable sources, we'd be just fine, and on top of that, could work towards restoring the enivornment.

Geez, I can't believe you. Actually condoning genocide, and saying its necessary, even "in the long run". How ridiculous.

And once again... Our thread is getting off topic. But I'm starting to think its unavoidable. In conversation, one thing leads to another, right?

[Sagat]

your wrong Sagat, in case you havent noticed our resources are slowly but surely being used way to much . so dont tell me tehre isnt to manny people hereI'm right, you're wrong, end of story.

Our resources have nothing to do with the planet being able to hold more human beings. Like I said, it's our INDUSTRY that it cannot support (guess what - that has a direct correlation to resources!).. or is reading and comprehension not exactly your forté?

I just realised how true my quote from Masali in my signature is.

[Kishiro]

I'm right, you're wrong, end of story.

Our resources have nothing to do with the planet being able to hold more human beings. Like I said, it's our INDUSTRY that it cannot support (guess what - that has a direct correlation to resources!).. or is reading and comprehension not exactly your forté?

I just realised how true my quote from Masali in my signature is.That it is my friend. I mentioned that in school thread.

Sometimes its best to let people revel in their own misbeliefs.
You can only offer truth and guidance. But you can't make them accept it.

[Sagat]

I guess this is how Gandhi felt. It cannot be helped though, it's an anime forum. There are bound to be more immature, know-nothing teenies than intelligent folk.. nature of the beast.

I guess all you can do is laugh, cry and shake your head.. or in my case cock the hammer on my revolver. Just joking.

Or am I

[_Horo_Horo_]

Hitler Was a bad person.

[German_Sniper9]

Hitler Was a bad person.
hitler brought germany outta a depression
(no offence just bring up one of the good things hitler did)

[Kishiro]

Hitler Was a bad person.Circle gets the square!

[Chaux]

grrrrrrrrr *bare fangs*
i dont like both of them, but i hate hitler...
he was so rascist, and i dont like rascist people.
wanna slice him in half with my tetsusainga.. (even though hes already dead lol.)

[Chaux]

well, hitler was a genius. how did he manage to get so many to follow him so blindly? if only he used what he had for something better like ending worldwide hunger or saving the planet. Stalin on the other hand, was not such a great leader. he didnt have scores of people who would die for him.

well i'll go with hitler on this one. he was terrible and his goals were ghastly. he was definately the worse of the two. imagine if you lived in a place where not agreeing with hitler and his views meant death...
yeah, i reckon!!!!
aaargh hitler..

ok,ok hes a very very bad person..
not agreeing with him meant death...
whoa, dangerous man!

[Capernicus]

Yo people! I know this is an emotional subject, but please do try to stay on topic! I mean, I can understand how genocide and China got into this, but how did oil consumption??? ><

To all of you who said they would pick Hitler over Stalin and gave about a 2 line reasoning, you need to go out and learn more about this subject. You clearly do not know the full story (not that any of us does or ever will), at least learn enough to write a paragraph.

Yes, Hitler is undeniably the most famous contender here (I have actually met people who didn't know who Stalin was). It is estimated that 60 million people died in WWII, 5-6 of which due to Hitler's genocide. I would like to note that among those targeted, besides Jews, were those not considered to be of the "Agrarian" race, homosexuals, cripples, to name a couple. Stalin targeted mostly Russians of all age and gender. His secret police masacred full families in the middle of the night, mostly those critical of his regime and those considered enemies of the state. He was a very paronoid man, holding many purges of ths communist party.

In short, I would say that Stalin was worse. Not only did he kill more people, but he killed his own people, friends and allies. Hitler killed perfect strangers.

This topic should have been extended to include people like Mao and Castro and Napoleon maybe. Other such genocides have taken place in history, for example the Rwanda incident (damn those Whutus and Tutsies), and the Rape of Nanking (the Japanese disgusted me...I almost burned all my anime in disgust). In Rwanda, close to 2 million people (90% of the Tutsie population) were hacked up with machetes in just 6 weeks. In Nanking, estimations run from 250-400 in 2 months, but the sheer horror of that can't be seen in just numbers. The way people were killed, babies boiled alive, 60,000 women, between ages 8 and 80, were raped, 100,000 or more died execution style, one after another, many more had their finger nailes ripped off, eyes gouged out, etc. I could go on.

[Sagat]

Hitler Was a bad person.WOAH, clearly you jest sir. Next you will tell me that grass is green and cows go moo

Capernicus, on the subject of the Rwandan genocide, have you read the book Shake Hands with the Devil? It's a book about Canadian General Romeo Dallaire as he was in charge of trying to stabilize things there, how he tried over and over again to get the UN to do something now before it was too late - how while everything was going to hell he had himself, a small contingent of Canadian soldiers and a small contingent of Tunisian soldiers (he regarded them very highly) and all they could do was watch the bloodbath unfold around them because the UN essentially failed to act and in short failed to save Rwanda. A very, very powerful book ... if you haven't I recommend you read it.

[miss honeybee ai]

Yo people! I know this is an emotional subject, but please do try to stay on topic! I mean, I can understand how genocide and China got into this, but how did oil consumption??? ><

To all of you who said they would pick Hitler over Stalin and gave about a 2 line reasoning, you need to go out and learn more about this subject. You clearly do not know the full story (not that any of us does or ever will), at least learn enough to write a paragraph.

Yes, Hitler is undeniably the most famous contender here (I have actually met people who didn't know who Stalin was). It is estimated that 60 million people died in WWII, 5-6 of which due to Hitler's genocide. I would like to note that among those targeted, besides Jews, were those not considered to be of the "Agrarian" race, homosexuals, cripples, to name a couple. Stalin targeted mostly Russians of all age and gender. His secret police masacred full families in the middle of the night, mostly those critical of his regime and those considered enemies of the state. He was a very paronoid man, holding many purges of ths communist party.

In short, I would say that Stalin was worse. Not only did he kill more people, but he killed his own people, friends and allies. Hitler killed perfect strangers.

This topic should have been extended to include people like Mao and Castro and Napoleon maybe. Other such genocides have taken place in history, for example the Rwanda incident (damn those Whutus and Tutsies), and the Rape of Nanking (the Japanese disgusted me...I almost burned all my anime in disgust). In Rwanda, close to 2 million people (90% of the Tutsie population) were hacked up with machetes in just 6 weeks. In Nanking, estimations run from 250-400 in 2 months, but the sheer horror of that can't be seen in just numbers. The way people were killed, babies boiled alive, 60,000 women, between ages 8 and 80, were raped, 100,000 or more died execution style, one after another, many more had their finger nailes ripped off, eyes gouged out, etc. I could go on.

Yes.
I had to study this last year and Hilter is like a pussycat compared to the damned Stalin.

Damn communists.....

[Cat_Demon]

hitler...was just...um very freaky and very very odd, and yeah he should burn in hell, im finding it hard to describe him with no curses......yeah he was worse then stalin, far worse..good thing he died :P

[miss honeybee ai]

my favourite person in the whole wide world is WAAAY eviller than that.
i think compared to these guys the stick is futherer up her ***.

[Capernicus]

WOAH, clearly you jest sir. Next you will tell me that grass is green and cows go moo

Capernicus, on the subject of the Rwandan genocide, have you read the book Shake Hands with the Devil? It's a book about Canadian General Romeo Dallaire as he was in charge of trying to stabilize things there, how he tried over and over again to get the UN to do something now before it was too late - how while everything was going to hell he had himself, a small contingent of Canadian soldiers and a small contingent of Tunisian soldiers (he regarded them very highly) and all they could do was watch the bloodbath unfold around them because the UN essentially failed to act and in short failed to save Rwanda. A very, very powerful book ... if you haven't I recommend you read it.
Hmm, sounds intriguing. I might just do that Sagat, thanks. I'm glad to see other informed people in this topic, not just Hitler-haters.

[Sagat]

The only real reason mostly everybody hates Hitler is because it's been plugged in our heads repeatedly to do so. All these people can say as a reason is "well he was evil and killed lots of Jews!" which really, isn't that strong of an argument in the world of tyranny.

[Uno_Caste]

Im poor in history though it really is interesting.
Well, to answer, "Who was worse: Hitler or Stalin?"
as far as my knowledge is concern, I'd have to go for Hitler for some reasons that his dark image sticks in my brain and yeah! right about it that his works and esp. his bad deeds were just widely spoken compared to Stalin and some other. After seeing the movie "Schindlers List" I just felt so damn pissed off to things like massive killing in an evil way like genocide. It's just so unright! Because KILLING is a sin no matter what the reason is! *ooppss, stay on topic!*

But, then if I could add up more knowledge on me about this things perhaps I could compare and judge the two of them fairly.

[FarEastStyle]

Hitler ofcourse was worse, you know his plan was after he killed all the Jews next on his hit list was the Blacks then the Asians.
So yeah alot of us wouldn't be here,
Stalin was a punk as coward.




In short, I would say that Stalin was worse. Not only did he kill more people, Actually Stalin didn't, Hitler murdered 1/3 of the worlds Jews, think 1/3 of 18 million.

[Sagat]

Entire post removed for cursing.

[Kishiro]

FES, you must be reading from Mother Russia's history books, because number wise Stalin DID kill more people. It doesn't matter what fraction or percentage of what people Hitler killed, because those numbers still don't add up to be as much as what Stalin did.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Hitler ofcourse was worse, you know his plan was after he killed all the Jews next on his hit list was the Blacks then the Asians.
So yeah alot of us wouldn't be here,
Stalin was a punk as coward.


Actually Stalin didn't, Hitler murdered 1/3 of the worlds Jews, think 1/3 of 18 million.
http://www.faminegenocide.com/2003-competition/01-maslo%27s_ukrainian_famine_of_1932-1933.html

10 million > 6 million

[halcyon23]

hitler is the worst.

[Kishiro]

hitler is the worst.Good first post ever. Really. Lot of depth in that one. Really. That was good.


http://www.faminegenocide.com/2003-competition/01-maslo%27s_ukrainian_famine_of_1932-1933.html

10 million > 6 millionThank you. Point proven.

[Inuyashayoukai2]

I'm right, you're wrong, end of story.

Our resources have nothing to do with the planet being able to hold more human beings. Like I said, it's our INDUSTRY that it cannot support (guess what - that has a direct correlation to resources!).. or is reading and comprehension not exactly your forté?

I just realised how true my quote from Masali in my signature is.Edited... sorry Sagat

[Sagat]

edited out for respect to Inuyasha.

[Inuyashayoukai2]

dude im sorry been a bad week i know i shouldnt be a jerk on the forums im sorry ill donate a few rupees to u im sorry

[Sagat]

dude im sorry been a bad week i know i shouldnt be a jerk on the forums im sorry ill donate a few rupees to u im sorryA bad week? Don't worry I know what those are like. No harm done, you don't have to donate any rupees. Let's just drop it, continue on and let it get back on topic.

[Inuyashayoukai2]

lol if u havent noticed i did donate some lol

[Sagat]

Oh I noticed, thanks, my RPG character greatly appreciates it.. now let's not further hijack this topic ok?

Much thanks.

[Inuyashayoukai2]

lol yeah i noticed your new stuff for your RP Char. anyways i think that hitler ended is reign as soon as he turned on Stalin... Idiot

[Kristen]

Because I'm so tired, I'll say my answer and you just have to deal with it.

Hitler. Millions died. Around SIX million. In terrible ways, horrifying and absolutly grs5mr5er just ugh. I'm talking a Living History: The Holocaust, and we're learning all about it. Have been for months. Hitler was almost ingenious, but just so ignorant and intolerant. it wasn't so much that he killed less, just how it was done makes it worse than anything comprehensable. =\

also, to go along with my post, since i've been in a class teaching everything about the holocaust for months, now, don't start pulling up crap and being like "u wrong". Disagree, sure, but don't tell me I'm wrong. 'Cause I'm not. =)


ok. too tired.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Because I'm so tired, I'll say my answer and you just have to deal with it.

Hitler. Millions died. Around SIX million. In terrible ways, horrifying and absolutly grs5mr5er just ugh. I'm talking a Living History: The Holocaust, and we're learning all about it. Have been for months. Hitler was almost ingenious, but just so ignorant and intolerant. it wasn't so much that he killed less, just how it was done makes it worse than anything comprehensable. =\

also, to go along with my post, since i've been in a class teaching everything about the holocaust for months, now, don't start pulling up crap and being like "u wrong". Disagree, sure, but don't tell me I'm wrong. 'Cause I'm not. =)


ok. too tired.But, If we are just going by raw numbers here, Mao and Stalin each killed more people then Hitler's 6 Million.

[miss honeybee ai]

hitler is the worst.
*omg*
Stalin
because Hiltler at least had some idea of what he wanted society to be like in his reign and although he used dirty methods and exterminated the jews he did reduce the depression period and gave germany some national pride.

Stalin let the damn communists run loose and now look what its done to those countries.

[Kishiro]

Damn communists?

That is to laugh. You know, aside from it not actually working to a tangible degree, communism is really a good theory. But people aren't ready for that kind of living, due to greed. Thats propaganda at work kids! And its been at work since the 1900s. And is obviously still working today.

Flamma, if we are talkin on how the deaths were carried out, then yes, Hitler was worse in that sense. Because his ways were much more inhumane, and took long periods of time. As to where Stalin had the people killed and then disposed of.

[Augenstein]

I'd have to say Hitler was worse. Not only was he more evil, but I see him as kind of childish in parts of history. A couple of reasons include blaming his loss of WW1 on the Jews, and killing himself after his final defeat.

[Lunamaria]

Who's Stalin? O_o

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Who's Stalin? O_o
I hope you are joking...

...if not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin

[Sagat]

Who's Stalin? O_oOH my god god in heaven if you are serious then I am left utterly astounded and shall commence shaking my head in disgust good sir.

Kishiro, I think if the theory were tweaked around a bit it would still have a good chance at being a real workable political system. The big one in particular in how to stop people from seizing power during the transition to socialism with the "ultimate withering of the state" (which never happens) plus how to keep people individual with personal freedoms while living in a collective society.. I remember Einstein wondering how such a thing could be done too, I don't think he ever had a correct answer either.

[Kewii]

Flamma, if we are talkin on how the deaths were carried out, then yes, Hitler was worse in that sense. Because his ways were much more inhumane, and took long periods of time. As to where Stalin had the people killed and then disposed of. While Stalin likely executed and directly purged more people than Hitler, not all of his deaths were more 'inhumane'.

And to back this up I'm going to reference the Gulags. A lot of people who were considered 'enemies of the people' were sent to Slave Labour camps, known as Gulags. Here they were expected to work for their food. It ends up becoming a vicious cycle because what happened was you only got full food if you met your (extremely high) quota for the day. If you didn't meet the quota, you were given less food. And of course, the less food you were given, the less you were able to do.

For example, the case of the White Sea Canal. 150,000 convicts were expected to work the canal. They weren't given proper clothing, food, or digging supplies. Especially considering they were digging just below the Arctic Circle.

Unsurprising, most of the workers died in the process. Essentially, they were worked to death.

And after all that. The canal wasn't even wide enough or deep enough for ships to pass through.

So I don't really think you can say Hitler was more inhumane, if you consider the Gulags, which you can find out more about here: http://gulaghistory.org/exhibits/nps/

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Also, the Majority of people brought to the concentration camps were killed fairly quickly, unless they were males able to work. There wasn't much in the way of wanton cruelty in those executions. The Germans aren’t anything if not efficient. That versus taking the food from millions of peasants and letting them starve over winter. That’s both physically and psychologically cruel.

Communism would be the best system of government if it were possible. I just don't think that Communism is a workable system in non-hive minded organisms. Ants, bees, and termites are the only true Communists I have ever seen. Most humans aspire to rise in rank to achieve better standings in their communities. That fact makes equality and therefore true Communism impossible. Short of a bout of evolution (social or biological) or some sort of mandatory indiscriminate telepathy device, Communism will be a pipe dream.

[Kristen]

But, If we are just going by raw numbers here, Mao and Stalin each killed more people then Hitler's 6 Million.



If you read it, it says; "it wasn't so much that he killed less, ". Which is clearly stating that he, meaning Hitler, did in fact kill less and I did acknowledge it. I know Mao and Stalin killed more people. However, the ways in which Hitler had chosen to "exterminate" the Jewish, Catholics, Polish, Homosexuals and Political opponents, was far worse than Stalin could have, or even did. Hitler attempted to annihilate more that one group of peoples and he was enough of a genius to be able to accomplish it, had he'd not been caught unexpectedly.



Hitler's means of killing people had been far worse than anything Stalin came up with. In concentration camps, it was not just a shot and you're out. Even if they were found useless and went straight to slaughter, there were still several processes in which they went through BEFORE they were killed. Often times, the use of guns as means to kill Jews (etc) was unheard of. Not that it hadn't been done. But Hitler and the Germans in general at that time, would have rather had the Jews (etc) completely stripped to nothingness and degraded first. In concentration camps, people were starved to death, worked to death, gassed, shot, beat etc. It was rare for them to just be shot before undergoing anything such as the above. They were stripped of all gold and valuables, taken from their homes, forced into Ghettos and even if you had a gold tooth, it was ripped from your mouth. There are gold remains from golden teeth, plates etc in Swedish money, currently. That is a proven fact. I have seen video after video of a Jew, Polish, and Catholic etc person being ripped to shreds at the mere memory of what they had been through in Hitler's reign.



The point of this is not to say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I may have started with that, but it's not that anymore. They're both incredibly horrible people and anyone who undermines what either of them did to say the other was worse is ignorant because of the fact that they are passing off millions of lives just like that, because they THINK someone was worse than the other. Ignoring millions of lives is terrible and both parties should be realized for what they did. My main point is to better educate those that are sitting here saying that Stalin is worse than Hitler because from what I've read, they know very little about the Holocaust. Yes, it's true; not everyone can take a class on it and learn about it, but at least do your homework before posting your idea and what you think about this topic.




Also, the Majority of people brought to the concentration camps were killed fairly quickly, unless they were males able to work. There wasn't much in the way of wanton cruelty in those executions.



That, however, is COMPLETELY untrue. They weren't killed fairly quickly, there was no man-woman-or child treated differently because of the labor they could perform etc. They were treated equal and that was like scum. Also, there was an incredible amount of cruelty in the executions. Referring above, they were starved, slaughtered, abused, worked, gassed, experimented upon and several other means of torture. A mean of experimentation was a drilling into your brain was to see how much of your BRAIN could drip out before you would die. Another was sticking a Jew into ice cold water to see how long you could last until you died in the water. Those that suffered from Hitler were faced with experiments and torture like this constantly.

(http://www.remember.org/educate/medexp.html (http://www.remember.org/educate/medexp.html))

"Sun Lamp

The victims were placed under sun lamps which were so hot they would burn the skin. One young homosexual victim was repeatedly cooled to unconsciousness then revived with lamps until he was pouring sweat. He died one evening after several test sessions."



"The Nazi doctors at the death camps (http://www.deathcamps.info/) tortured men, women and children and did medical experiments of unspeakable horror during the Holocaust.

Victims were put into pressure chambers, tested with drugs, castrated, frozen to death. Children (http://www.annefrank.dk/children/index.htm) were exposed to experimental surgeries performed without anesthesia, transfusions of blood from one to another, isolation endurance, reaction to various stimuli. The doctors made injections with lethal germs, sex change operations, removal of organs and limbs. At Auschwitz the Angel Of Death, Josef Mengele, carried out twin-to-twin transfusions, stitched twins together, castrated or sterilized twins. Many twins had limbs and organs removed in macabre surgical procedures, performed without using an anesthetic." (http://www.shoah.dk/doctors/index.htm (http://www.shoah.dk/doctors/index.htm))



http://www.auschwitz.dk/doctors.htm (http://www.auschwitz.dk/doctors.htm)



There are sites after sites and books upon books that I could show to you and place here that would help you understand what happened. But the best would be to rent a video of survivors talking about what has happened to them. I can promise you there isn't a video in this world of a survivor not breaking down to tears at even thinking it. You can't tell me there was no cruelty, or that only the men were subject to labor, etc. Because it's not true.



In Germany, it's ILLEGAL to deny the existence of the Holocaust.


And Darth, Stalin has left fear, sure, but again- Look at what Hitler has done and say that he hasn't as well.

A book to help get a better look into the Holocaust would be Elie Weisels "Night". Which is his actual story of what he went through in the Holocaust. It's a difficult read, however. By difficult, I mean that it's hard to grasp and keep reading because it's horrifying. I haven't seen a move or read a book about the Holocaust that hasn't made me cry, and I really don't cry easily.

[Darth Tyranus]

That's easy Stalin all the way, not only did he kill more people but he left behind a legacy of terror that lasted for over 50 years.

[Miyazaaki]

Hitler was byfar the worse. He killed anyone who was a jew. That is plain wrong. He killed people on the spot. Stalin was not so harsh. But Hitler was the worse.

[Bibi of the Blue Sea]

Mao should have been added to this question. he has the most deaths in history, but numbers arent everything. Stalin had his communism which would have worked if we didnt live in a capitalistic world. As for Hitler, his sucide at the end of the world showed what a true coward he was.
What about Mussilini? He did accomplish one good thing, having built a true to scale replica of Ancient Rome that is now in a museum (dont know which one).

In the end, I still think Trujillo (Rafael Leónidas Trujillo) is the worst dictator ever. He took away my father's lands and those still havent been returned. ;_; I dont think many of you even know who he is.

[Sagat]

Hitler was byfar the worse. He killed anyone who was a jew. That is plain wrong. He killed people on the spot. Stalin was not so harsh. But Hitler was the worse.Are you out of your freaking mind? The hell kind of statement was that

[Zantetsuken]

Forget Hitler, Stalin, everyone else. It's the Christians that are the worse. Way, way, way, back in the day, Christians killed three times more Pagans than Hitler killed Jews. A way of life with a foundation of murder, woo-hoo.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

If you read it, it says; "it wasn't so much that he killed less, ". Which is clearly stating that he, meaning Hitler, did in fact kill less and I did acknowledge it. I know Mao and Stalin killed more people. However, the ways in which Hitler had chosen to "exterminate" the Jewish, Catholics, Polish, Homosexuals and Political opponents, was far worse than Stalin could have, or even did. Hitler attempted to annihilate more that one group of peoples and he was enough of a genius to be able to accomplish it, had he'd not been caught unexpectedly.



Hitler's means of killing people had been far worse than anything Stalin came up with. In concentration camps, it was not just a shot and you're out. Even if they were found useless and went straight to slaughter, there were still several processes in which they went through BEFORE they were killed. Often times, the use of guns as means to kill Jews (etc) was unheard of. Not that it hadn't been done. But Hitler and the Germans in general at that time, would have rather had the Jews (etc) completely stripped to nothingness and degraded first. In concentration camps, people were starved to death, worked to death, gassed, shot, beat etc. It was rare for them to just be shot before undergoing anything such as the above. They were stripped of all gold and valuables, taken from their homes, forced into Ghettos and even if you had a gold tooth, it was ripped from your mouth. There are gold remains from golden teeth, plates etc in Swedish money, currently. That is a proven fact. I have seen video after video of a Jew, Polish, and Catholic etc person being ripped to shreds at the mere memory of what they had been through in Hitler's reign.



The point of this is not to say that Hitler was worse than Stalin, I may have started with that, but it's not that anymore. They're both incredibly horrible people and anyone who undermines what either of them did to say the other was worse is ignorant because of the fact that they are passing off millions of lives just like that, because they THINK someone was worse than the other. Ignoring millions of lives is terrible and both parties should be realized for what they did. My main point is to better educate those that are sitting here saying that Stalin is worse than Hitler because from what I've read, they know very little about the Holocaust. Yes, it's true; not everyone can take a class on it and learn about it, but at least do your homework before posting your idea and what you think about this topic.







That, however, is COMPLETELY untrue. They weren't killed fairly quickly, there was no man-woman-or child treated differently because of the labor they could perform etc. They were treated equal and that was like scum. Also, there was an incredible amount of cruelty in the executions. Referring above, they were starved, slaughtered, abused, worked, gassed, experimented upon and several other means of torture. A mean of experimentation was a drilling into your brain was to see how much of your BRAIN could drip out before you would die. Another was sticking a Jew into ice cold water to see how long you could last until you died in the water. Those that suffered from Hitler were faced with experiments and torture like this constantly.

(http://www.remember.org/educate/medexp.html (http://www.remember.org/educate/medexp.html))

"Sun Lamp

The victims were placed under sun lamps which were so hot they would burn the skin. One young homosexual victim was repeatedly cooled to unconsciousness then revived with lamps until he was pouring sweat. He died one evening after several test sessions."



"The Nazi doctors at the death camps (http://www.deathcamps.info/) tortured men, women and children and did medical experiments of unspeakable horror during the Holocaust.

Victims were put into pressure chambers, tested with drugs, castrated, frozen to death. Children (http://www.annefrank.dk/children/index.htm) were exposed to experimental surgeries performed without anesthesia, transfusions of blood from one to another, isolation endurance, reaction to various stimuli. The doctors made injections with lethal germs, sex change operations, removal of organs and limbs. At Auschwitz the Angel Of Death, Josef Mengele, carried out twin-to-twin transfusions, stitched twins together, castrated or sterilized twins. Many twins had limbs and organs removed in macabre surgical procedures, performed without using an anesthetic." (http://www.shoah.dk/doctors/index.htm (http://www.shoah.dk/doctors/index.htm))



http://www.auschwitz.dk/doctors.htm (http://www.auschwitz.dk/doctors.htm)



There are sites after sites and books upon books that I could show to you and place here that would help you understand what happened. But the best would be to rent a video of survivors talking about what has happened to them. I can promise you there isn't a video in this world of a survivor not breaking down to tears at even thinking it. You can't tell me there was no cruelty, or that only the men were subject to labor, etc. Because it's not true.



In Germany, it's ILLEGAL to deny the existence of the Holocaust.


And Darth, Stalin has left fear, sure, but again- Look at what Hitler has done and say that he hasn't as well.

A book to help get a better look into the Holocaust would be Elie Weisels "Night". Which is his actual story of what he went through in the Holocaust. It's a difficult read, however. By difficult, I mean that it's hard to grasp and keep reading because it's horrifying. I haven't seen a move or read a book about the Holocaust that hasn't made me cry, and I really don't cry easily.I'm not saying the concentration camps were a bed & breakfast, I'm saying that Stalin did all that stuff on top of starving 10 million Ukrainians to death. The 10 million Ukrainians was just the feather in his mass-killings cap, and the Same statement could be applied to Mao and his starving of Chinese peasants.

[Maya Miyazono]

Defintly Hitler. I can't stand saying there names. ><

[Inuyashayoukai2]

well never forget that Hitler just didnt kill Jews, it was men with disabilities even thoguh he was mental himself.

[The Kid]

HITLER
DUH
HE KILLED MORE PEOPLE:mad:

[Sagat]

Post removed for language

Stalking my posts now Klutz?

Only because you need to be babysat

[Kristen]

I'm not saying the concentration camps were a bed & breakfast, I'm saying that Stalin did all that stuff on top of starving 10 million Ukrainians to death. The 10 million Ukrainians was just the feather in his mass-killings cap, and the Same statement could be applied to Mao and his starving of Chinese peasants.


But you didn't seem to see that the point of that wasn't to say Hitler was worse. It's simply to say they're both incredibly terrible people and measuring them against one another trying to compare and contrast with them is disgusting. It's like just passing off how many had suffered by the opposing. =\

[Masali]

I'd say they're both equally trecherous. Stalin was a paranoid Megalomaniac who was paranoid of EVERYONE around him, and thus lead them to their death's. Hitler was much the same, also paranoid of everyone around him. Both of them were crazy, and both of them very violent individuals. Hitler was a maniac who manipulated the common person, as well as the other countries. He had it so while he was slaughtering Minorities (no, it was not just jews. It was christians, blacks, Gypsies, and random people he saw were not of Aryan Decent. Get the facts right) no other countries knew what the hell was going on (except countries like the US and Britan). Aside from the fact that he has his own private Police force (the SS) that answered directly to him he was a danger to all of Europe since their blitzkreig warfare was close to unstoppable by the common european Army and Police Force. Stalin on the other hand didn't quite manipulate to the extent of Hitler. He pretty much just controled everyone's life indirectly. Hitler spoke to them directly, he bended their minds through the presses and such. However, Stalin killed just as many (if not more) than Hitler.

[German_Sniper9]

although Genocide is wrong look at the world today msot of us can agree tat it is way way way over populated hell with the Inflation of gas Prices one day we will all be dead unless idk Genocide... yes it kills alot of pple but in the long run it would save alot more.um i just had to add a fact to this

World War II was a war fought from 1939 to 1945 in Europe, and from at least 1937 to 1945 in Asia. It was the largest armed conflict the world has ever seen, spanning the entire world and involving more countries than any previous war - and fought with powerful new weapons, culminating in the first use of two atomic bombs, whose very existence had been a tightly-held secret. The conflict ravaged civilians more than had any previous wars of the modern era, and served as a backdrop for genocidal killings by Germany, the Soviet Union, and Japan. World War II caused a greater number of deaths, about [61 million], more than any previous war.

wow 61 million....
i still think stalin was worse:sleep:



HITLER
DUH
HE KILLED MORE PEOPLE:mad:*coughs* stalin killed more people then hitler

[Der Gott der Schwärzung]

Stalin was worse because his rule was more absolute and he was a paranoid freak

[Inuyashayoukai2]

Yes i agree Brother

[Hinata767]

well I pick both...They should of deserve to die and hitler took his own life wich was really stupid just cuz he lost dont mean he can kill himself...well he would of died anyway but who cares there both equeal to me ^_^

[Kishiro]

So tired... of posts that say absolutely nothing.... and go in circles.
Ok, I'm going to provide a little bit of reading material, MP2k style, so all of you one and two liners can actually know what you're talking about.

1. Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler).

2. Holocaust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust).

3. Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin).

Read the articles. Click the links. Read more articles. Find out what relates to what and whom. Then come back with an informed pick.

[Cait Sith rules]

Hitler is the worst out of the two.

[Daenerys]

Bush.

[Yu Yu Master]

I choose Saltin. Any you guys are getting a little spammy. :offtopic: :nospam:

[Martherus]

What does it matter? they were both worse..
so.. both.. -__-

[En Svensk Tiger]

How many people did Hitler and Stalin actually kill? I don't know about Stalin, but I'm pretty sure Hitler never took another mans life directly. The only person he shot was himself. And I reckon Stalin never got to be a mass murderer either. Which leads me to the point. As wicked and terrible as these people were, the easily manipulated masses carried out their bidding. Ordinary germans killed jews. Ordinary russians worked for Stalin. And neither of this would have happened if the masses and the mobs weren't so easily controlled and ordered around. And if you were an ordinary german 50+ years ago, odds are you'd do the same.

[paladinofni]

By numbers, Stalin killed more than Hitler. However, the democide commited by Stalin was indirect, but I think starvation is a little more unpleasant than being gassed or shot.

[paladinofni]

The numbers referred to in my last post are (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide)

Nazi genocide 1933-1945: 20,946,000
USSR (Stalin) 1917-1987: 61,911,000
China (PRC) 1949-1987: 77,277,000
Mao's China 1923-1949: 3,465,000

For measure, Darfur: 400,000

[Donte]

Hitler was bad vary bad.
I...I wont say it.