Hentai - SERIOUS DISCUSSION!

[The Archangel]

What do you think of it? It's a world phenomenon that exists mostly in Japan. Why is that? Has it got anything to do with their culture? Is it "pervs only" or could it have another meaning? I'm open to opinions on this?

[Wilder]

I could care less. It's fine for other guys (or girls) to be looking at it. If it's their thing, it's their thing. I honestly don't care about the whole age thing either. If kids are curious, heck! Let them be curious! It won't make them run out and do anything. It'd probably just give them nightmares XD!

[lucifer_ur_god]

agreed...if people want to look at it its their choice. we can't say its wrong b/c its their life if they want to spend their life looking at perveted pics let them

[-Batman-]

I watch hentai, A lot. And i guarantee half the members on this forum watch it, and deny it.
You can't go on an anime forum of this size and not have hentai fans, it's not possible.

Oh, and for the megatokyo fans. Fred Gallagher is a hypocrite. Why? He goes on saying how hentai is an insult too anime, yet back in 97 he drew a 70 page LOLI-CON doujin. Loli, and furries, are the 2 forms of hentai I can't STAND.

Really, I see nothing wrong with hentai. It's not that big of a deal, really. I go on hentai forums, and trust me...Not all hentai fans are bad people, a lot of them are...guess what...NICE (And most hentai forums have a nice population of female members, so it's not just a guy thing)

On a last note. To the woman who say it's disgusting...If you EVER watch yaoi, you are a hypocrite.

Those are my views, as I see it, no one should care.

If you don't like it, thats fine too. I can respect that, but it's annoying when people
-Deny they like it when they really do
-Insult others when they watch it.


Edit: To the ABOVE poster. Why do you assume that people who watch hentai JUST look at perverted pictures for the rest of their lives as thats what you are saying.

[Yugure's Goddess]

I don't have a problem with it! I watch occasionally and when I can find any decent ones. It's just natural to want to look at stuff like that. It's really no big deal.

And I am female and have several female friends who watch it, too so it's really not just a male thing and I agree with the above poster, it doesn't nessecarily make some one a bad person because everyone does and even if you don't look at pictures I'm sure You fantasize about things at least some times. (and if you haven't gotten to that fun time in you life you will soon)...

love
dani
dude

[mimichan1000]

it's not like that . it's because of the censors in America. i'm a huge fan of it myself... there's nothing wrong with looking at it....

[Ωmega]

Well, its mostly in Japan because its created in Japan, but its big here too. I honestly dont think its a big deal, its just cartoon porn. The one thing I do like about it, is that some actually have pretty good storylines to them...while some are just plain...ew (well, it is from a place where you can buy used panties from vending machines...) its a bit more entertaning than regular porn because...well, you can really see a robot or giant tenticle monster doing several chicks at once, now can you?

[Maya Miyazono]

I watch hentai, A lot. And i guarantee half the members on this forum watch it, and deny it.
You can't go on an anime forum of this size and not have hentai fans, it's not possible.

Oh, and for the megatokyo fans. Fred Gallagher is a hypocrite. Why? He goes on saying how hentai is an insult too anime, yet back in 97 he drew a 70 page LOLI-CON doujin. Loli, and furries, are the 2 forms of hentai I can't STAND.

Really, I see nothing wrong with hentai. It's not that big of a deal, really. I go on hentai forums, and trust me...Not all hentai fans are bad people, a lot of them are...guess what...NICE (And most hentai forums have a nice population of female members, so it's not just a guy thing)

On a last note. To the woman who say it's disgusting...If you EVER watch yaoi, you are a hypocrite.

Those are my views, as I see it, no one should care.

If you don't like it, thats fine too. I can respect that, but it's annoying when people
-Deny they like it when they really do
-Insult others when they watch it.


Edit: To the ABOVE poster. Why do you assume that people who watch hentai JUST look at perverted pictures for the rest of their lives as thats what you are saying.

I would of agreed with you but the sentence about yaoi isn't true.
Yaoi is just Boy's in love having it. Nothing more "hypocrital" about it.
You must of had a lot of bad postings by females to state such a false thing.

Hentai is indeed "Perverted" and something for teenagers above 14-15 and adults. It wouldn't be wrong for a young child to see such things but it would effect them in a bad way and in my belief make them do stuff they shouldn't.
So in general there is nothing wrong with hentai for teens and adults but kids.

[Regex]

I would of agreed with you but the sentence about yaoi isn't true.
Yaoi is just Boy's in love having it. Nothing more "hypocrital" about it.
You must of had a lot of bad postings by females to state such a false thing.The hypocritical part is where the girls say they hate hentai, yet watch their own brand of it.

[-Batman-]

The hypocritical part is where the girls say they hate hentai, yet watch their own brand of it.You hit the nail on the head, that's exactly where I was going.

[Donye]

What do you think of it? It's a world phenomenon that exists mostly in Japan. Why is that? Has it got anything to do with their culture? Is it "pervs only" or could it have another meaning? I'm open to opinions on this?My mom said that because sex laws in Japan are so high, that they can't do real porn. So they show it in there cartoons.

[Darth Tyranus]

It's a world phenomenon that exists mostly in Japan
So are you trying to sound like a idiot? A WORLd wide thing that is mainly in JAPAN, hardly world wide then is it? I'm not all that fond of hentai though I am not strongly apposed to it either, just buy real porn. Most hentai isn't sexy in any way it's more often than not unappealing for a lot of reasons. Not that equaly twisted things aren't in real porn.

[-Batman-]

My mom said that because sex laws in Japan are so high, that they can't do real porn. So they show it in there cartoons.Then your mother knows nothing. Why?

Japan has TONS of porn (I've seen plenty of professional videos)

If I recall, you can buy panties in vending machines.
I also remember reading somewhere that the legal age for sex was like...13-14, but I might be mistaken.
If i'm wrong on the last two, please correct me.

[urrik]

you know i don't really know why they watch or get that kind of stuff but it needs to stop now but i can care less because im not in there predicument

[Lilium Filix]

Hm, I really can't form an opinion on hentai, because I haven't seen any.
Yes, I've heard of it, and know what is in it, but I have never bothered looking at it.
However, what I think is that, too many people make big deal out of it.
If you call someone pervertd or sick-minded because they watch porn and hentai, then wouldn't you be the sick-minded one?
Think of it this way, when you say porn/hentai is wrong, has it ever occured to you that you're the one thinking about all that unappealing, wrong things that are going on in hentai/porn?
When someone else is looking at it, let them look, they're the ones looking at it, not you.
I am not trying to offend anyone.
I'm just trying to form my own opinion.
Hentai isn't such a big deal, many people look at it, and just because they do, it does not make the a "perverted" or bad person.
It's just something they find interest in.

~The Angel has spoken~
~AEK~

[Opinionated]

I used to watch hentai, but I honestly don't now. Why? Because it go so damn boring after the first ten times. Same with every other brand of heterosexual porn I've seen. It gets so boring, you just don't do it anymore.

[Wilder]

I have seen hentai before, but it was by accident. Someone kept sending me this e-mail with picutres in it, and at that time I didn't know how to block people. I'm not hypocrtical either, I don't like yaoi or yuri either. Only Shounen-Ai. My mom doesn't restrict me either, she just doesn't think that I'd look. And I wouldn't, I already know what happens with the brids and the bees. So why need to physically see it?
Generally speaking, I don't think there's really such thing as "perverted". If it's sexual contact between two consenting adults then it's fine. So what's up with all this "perverted" stuff?

[Capernicus]

Okay, ya'll are freaks. Oo I don't it myself, mainly because I don't have access to any. >.< Me so poor. I broke into my brother's stash once ansd watched one, but other then that, no. I liked it, had an actual storyline and interesting characters. I don't like porn though for that fact that it is loaded with random sex, which I don't like at all. There has to be some sort of emotion. So if you want to watch hentai, I don't have a problem with that.

[Buruku]

It serves its purpose, i'm not opposed to it, and I have never seen it as 'degrading to anime'. Honestly I havn't watched much myself, but I think i'd rather watch Hentai instead of real porn, but thats just me. Though there are some really screwed up things in Hentai(I assume most of you know what i'm talking about) but then again regular porn can be just as bad...we'll I prefer to stay away from that sort of thing.

[-Batman-]

you know i don't really know why they watch or get that kind of stuff but it needs to stop now but i can care less because im not in there predicumentWhat predicument? You act like people are forced too watch it.

[Sword]

I haven't watched any, just seen pics. Whatever anyone wants to do, do it. That's my basic policy on life in general. A lot of people think that you can't get turned on by cartoons, but it's just the same as looking at a picture or video of a real person. I mean a picture's a picture. It'd be different if you were on an actual porn set....

[philmaster628]

i say its mostly in japan cause it was created there too

[Capernicus]

What predicument? You act like people are forced too watch it.Like anime, hentai an be very graphic, and quite realistic. So, getting turned on by it is not at all shameful in my opnion. It just depends on your preferences. I myself don't find anything good about furries or tentacles, but I think some hentai is acceptable. I have numerous pics, read some, watched one. But all that doesn't make me a perv, now does it? I don't go around hitting on every girl (in real life), nor do I try to cop feels or make sexual inuendos. I am not a perv, I'm simply human, and I have hormones too.

[-Batman-]

I myself don't find anything good about furries or tentacles, If you don't like furries, never go to 4chan on a friday *shiver*...I myself can't stand furries, as 99% of them are poorly drawn. Theres on artist who draws furries very well, but it's still not a turn on (and very sad that it's on ONE artist)
As for tentacles...tentacles aren't arousing...heh...tentacles are hilarious.

[Gjallarhorn]

@ Redfield: Yes, they are. It is unintentional comedy.

I have watched/own tons on hentai and read/own tons of Hmanga and doujins. I do not see any problem with it. People like what they like. Most of it I just find amusing. I would say that my favorite genre is yuri, my least favorites being lolicon, yaoi, furry, and shota. I am am member on a few hentai-themed forums as well. Most people there are very good people.
I also, as many people above, hate it when people:
a. Deny they watch hentai (it is usually these people who have large collections).
b. When women watch/read/enjoy yaoi and then say hentai is disgusting.
c. Insult/disrespect those who watch read it.

[Saiyuko]

Just out of nowhere....


Hentai (変態 ), a Japanese word meaning "perverted" is used in many western countries to refer to anime, manga, and computer games with explicit sexual or pornographic content (see Japanese pornography). However, the Japanese very rarely use the word in this way. More commonly used terms include "jū hachi kin" (18禁; prohibited for sale to persons under 18), "ecchi/H anime" (sexual/pornographic anime) "eroanime" (エロアニメ; derived from erotic anime), or "seinen" (成年; adult, not to be confused with 青年 young adult).

Just to mention that, but now, this is how I think about it:

Personally, I ran into it by accident.But this is sort of what makes some people think anime = porn. I'm alright with it.Though good point, just because one looks at it doesn't make them perverted...unless it gets out of hand, that's a completly different story.

[red storm]

As for tentacles...tentacles aren't arousing...heh...tentacles are hilarious.Heh, reminds me of one of my favourite quotes:

"At least those monsters go out of their way to please the girl, which is more then I can say of my last three boyfriends."

Erika, Megatokyo webcomic.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

S'ok. I've played about a dozen games, read a good amount of Manga. Hardly all that offensive, just drawings of naughty bits. The people of Japan have invented far more depraved things, like bukake. Don't ever search for that word. But suffice to say it's like tentacles: funny as a concept, icky as a reality.

Also, age of consent in Japan is 13, and those vending machines apparently have been removed.

[blackcat-meow]

welll in my humble opinion i think it suxs but there are people who like it out there people are curious like curious george heck ive seen abit here and there just to see what its all about .....but again if it was up to me

HENTAI <::::::::::::::[]xxxxx[] DIE HENTAI DIE!!!!!!!!

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

welll in my humble opinion i think it suxs but there are people who like it out there people are curious like curious george heck ive seen abit here and there just to see what its all about .....but again if it was up to me

HENTAI <::::::::::::::[]xxxxx[] DIE HENTAI DIE!!!!!!!!Thank you for your well defended post. I think it was the ASCII art that sold me.

[Bibi of the Blue Sea]

a shame to the world of animation...truly a disgust....

[-Batman-]

Thank you for your well defended post. I think it was the ASCII art that sold me.She opened my eyes...I'm going to go delete all of my hentai and porn...RIGHT NOW.http://animeforum.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[kurosaki]

It's okay to watch hentai, but don't later do "that" to your boy or girlfriend...

[miss honeybee ai]

**hopes this makes sense**
Seriously because of my religion it's a big no-no and I don't watch it ( although I am curious as to why people like it). I guess it's really up to the viewer to make their own opinion and choices on whether they think it is wrong or right.

However I (or other people) can't completely say altogether that I haven't watched it or seen it because of the soft-porn in other non-sexual books but I don't think that it's morally right for someone to read/view things like heintai and yaoi in public either .

[~Troublesome Woman~]

I own/read lots of Hentai... I don't see the problem with it. It's not degrading manga, it just shows that people love the series. If people want to look at it or watch it, I can't see anything wrong with that.

[-Batman-]

( although I am curious as to why people like it)
same reason why exabitionists expose themselves in public
same reason why people have sex with animals
same reason why sadists get off by hurting others

See where i'm going with this? People like it because they get off on it.

[alur3n]

I can shamelessly say I like shota, lolicon and furry, although I don't get off on their real life equivelants, which honestly disgust me.

[Regex]

I own/read lots of Hentai... I don't see the problem with it. It's not degrading manga, it just shows that people love the series. If people want to look at it or watch it, I can't see anything wrong with that.No, it just shows that people love to make pornographic cartoons. It doesn't say much of anything about any series.

Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Hentai in itself, annoys me. I find that in most cases, it's a senseless waste of an artist's abilities. They're drawing attention away from the actual art, and focusing on a sexual aspect of it, and usually an incredibly unattractive method, no less. Exceptionally disproportionally large breasts are not at all attractive, but that seems to be a recurring theme, along with rape, tentacles, etc.. I don't see how that can be enjoyable at all.

Furthermore, artists who use existing characters are hurting the art of character creation. If I have to see another "Rei X Shinji" or "Ichigo X Inoue" or even "Vash X Wolfwood" I'm going to.. Well, I can't do much of anything but complain about it here, so that's probably what I'll do, regardless. It's a perversion of what the original artists created. It's not like it's easy to create well developed characters for a story. Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.

[Knuffle Bunny]

Of course hentai is not intended for little kids. um at least i don't think so ^^;
I don't mind watching stuff with it. I mean most anime or manga with hentai usually have a good plot or story.

[Buruku]

Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.

I agree with that. I hate seeing characters from other (clean) animes being used in Hentai. Its disturbing actually.

[red storm]

Furthermore, artists who use existing characters are hurting the art of character creation. If I have to see another "Rei X Shinji" or "Ichigo X Inoue" or even "Vash X Wolfwood" I'm going to.. Well, I can't do much of anything but complain about it here, so that's probably what I'll do, regardless. It's a perversion of what the original artists created. It's not like it's easy to create well developed characters for a story. Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.I must disagree on this part. It is porn, true, but saying it is a disgrace to the original artist would be the same as saying every dub of an anime is a disgrace to the original voice actors. Or saying that every piece of fanfiction -lemon or otherwise- is a disgrace to the original. In other words: hypocritical. Just because it is a type of art that you do not like, does not automatically mean it turns into a disgrace.

[Capernicus]

I agree with that. I hate seeing characters from other (clean) animes being used in Hentai. Its disturbing actually.YES!! This is why I create my own characters for all my stories (see the link in my sig, hehehe). I do not want to see InuyashaXKagome or whatever anymore. I mean, okay, it's alright if you do it for animes that already do that (ShuichiXYuki for example, but please, no TatushaXYuki! EWWW, their brothers! >.<), but no VashXWolfwood! Several girls I know are all into the yaoi thing, and that's fine, but NOT THAT MUCH!!! They are obsessed... o.o


Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Hentai in itself, annoys me. I find that in most cases, it's a senseless waste of an artist's abilities. They're drawing attention away from the actual art, and focusing on a sexual aspect of it, and usually an incredibly unattractive method, no less. Exceptionally disproportionally large breasts are not at all attractive, but that seems to be a recurring theme, along with rape, tentacles, etc.. I don't see how that can be enjoyable at all.
But Member Name, I must agree with some that you said. Yes, it is a waist of talent if the creators ONLY focus on the sex parts. But I believe that if it has a good storyline and characers with depth, why not have a sex scene? If you can draw that and make it believable, more power to you. I've already said I don't like tentacles and whatnot, so no worries there.

[-Batman-]

No, it just shows that people love to make pornographic cartoons. It doesn't say much of anything about any series.And the fact that they make money off of it has nothing to do with it.


Here are my thoughts on the whole thing. Hentai in itself, annoys me. I find that in most cases, it's a senseless waste of an artist's abilities. They're drawing attention away from the actual art, and focusing on a sexual aspect of it, and usually an incredibly unattractive method, no less. Tell that to Masamune Shirow, Jeremy Bernal (as much as I HATE furries...he's still a good artist), Ken Akamatsu, and Azasuke Wind. (just to name a few).


Exceptionally disproportionally large breasts are not at all attractive, but that seems to be a recurring theme, along with rape, tentacles, etc.. I don't see how that can be enjoyable at all.You would be surprised at how many diffrent kinds of hentai there are. I've seen more than enough with normal sized breasts, and without tentacles or rape.
Also, normal anime itself has woman with over-sized breasts.


Furthermore, artists who use existing characters are hurting the art of character creation. They aren't hurting anything. As redstorm said, it's like fan-fiction...Thats a perfect way too look at it, a Graphic fan-fiction, nothing more.


It's a perversion of what the original artists created. Do you know how many anime artists create hentai based on their OWN series? I already named 2 (Masamune shirow and Ken Akamatsu)
If you ever see a doujin by the artist "Big Boss", It will be either...
-Love Hina
-Negima
-A.I. Love you
And it looks identical too the actual manga of each, why? Because Ken akamatsu IS Big Boss.

As for the Shirow example? Read his art books...he Has some echhi in there. He also has his own series of Adult artbooks, he's one of the artists who always stays under their real name.

The thing is, Most anime artists go under Pen Names when they draw hentai, why...I have no Idea. Maybe to protect themselves? Maybe for flare? Either way, a good half of them get found out.
Another reason they may drawn hentai?
An out of work Mangaka who's series has just finished may need too make some money, so he draws some doujins of his/her (that's right, female hentai artists do exist) previous work while they brainstorm Ideas for their next manga.
OR
It may be some "what if they..." Scenario's from the arist. Also, it could just be fan service to please some fans without destoying the original peice.




It's not like it's easy to create well developed characters for a story. Then people come and take characters, and put them into sexual situations that would never happen in the stories they were created in. I find that an insult to the art, and to the artists who created it.I doubt the artists who created the anime's CARE. Otherwise, they would have said something about all of the doujins and had them pulled off the shelves. Now, don't get me wrong...Some people do say something, Which is why hentai for some series is rare (Metal Gear Solid is the rarest I can think of atm)


Oh, and a side note. a lot of hentai date sims have good artwork as well (EVERYTHING by Peach Princess has great artwork as well)

[red storm]

Oh, and a side note. a lot of hentai date sims have good artwork as well (EVERYTHING by Peach Princess has great artwork as well)A lot of hentai sims have some of the best art I have seen so far. It's not as if the characters are always naked anyway.

[Darth Tyranus]

SERIOUS DISCUSSION! I crack up every time I see this, It's impossible to have an actually serious talk on the subject of hentai (or porn in general). Since those who are repulsed by it will never understand why others like it, and those who like it will never convince the repulsed that it isn't horrible. I honestly can't think of anything less erotic than cartoons having sex, but clearly that doesn't apply to everyone. And no I don't have a huge collection or any other crack pot theory on those who don't like it.

[-Batman-]

And no I don't have a huge collection or any other crack pot theory on those who don't like it.Those examples were directed twords the rabid fan-girls who hate hentai, yet they have Naruto/Sasuke Yaoi in their sig.

Edit: And I forgot to mention, the closet pervets who can't admit it (I know a few on this forum)

[Regex]

I must disagree on this part. It is porn, true, but saying it is a disgrace to the original artist would be the same as saying every dub of an anime is a disgrace to the original voice actors. Or saying that every piece of fanfiction -lemon or otherwise- is a disgrace to the original. In other words: hypocritical. Just because it is a type of art that you do not like, does not automatically mean it turns into a disgrace.
A dub is not hurting the art that the original anime was. It's bringing the story to a new audience.

Fanfiction, however... At the risk of taking my rant off topic, nearly all fanfiction IS an insult. In the same way that hentai would be taking characters and putting them in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story, poor fanfiction that either a) puts the characters in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story or b) is nowhere near correct as far as the characters themselves react to things, is just as much of an insult.


But I believe that if it has a good storyline and characers with depth, why not have a sex scene? If you can draw that and make it believable, more power to you. I've already said I don't like tentacles and whatnot, so no worries there.I don't have a problem with a sexual encounter in a story. But why make it pornographic? Once again, like I said originally, that takes the focus away from the real story and art.


Tell that to Masamune Shirow, Jeremy Bernal (as much as I HATE furries...he's still a good artist), Ken Akamatsu, and Azasuke Wind. (just to name a few).I'd be more than happy to voice my concerns to them, and tell them how they should stop wasting their talents on something that can be just as effective when drawn poorly.


Do you know how many anime artists create hentai based on their OWN series? I already named 2 (Masamune shirow and Ken Akamatsu)
If you ever see a doujin by the artist "Big Boss", It will be either...
-Love Hina
-Negima
-A.I. Love you
And it looks identical too the actual manga of each, why? Because Ken akamatsu IS Big Boss.Incidentally, I have no interest in any of these mangas for the same reason. It gets too ridiculous, the stories aren't clever or interesting. They're just meant to be for the simple minds who desire sexual stimulus in an abnormal fashion.


I doubt the artists who created the anime's CARE. Otherwise, they would have said something about all of the doujins and had them pulled off the shelves. Now, don't get me wrong...Some people do say something, Which is why hentai for some series is rare (Metal Gear Solid is the rarest I can think of atm)I'm not completely familiar with Japanese copyright laws, but I will say that either the copyright laws are different, and these sorts of things are allowed, or perhaps the publishers are getting paid well for the use of their characters. Fact is, whether or not the artists care, these are still as much a perversion of the original stories as it would be to put Michealangelo's David into a sexual pose.

[red storm]

A dub is not hurting the art that the original anime was. It's bringing the story to a new audience. Then how about the dubs that change the Japanese culture items to fit with American culture ones?


Fanfiction, however... At the risk of taking my rant off topic, nearly all fanfiction IS an insult. In the same way that hentai would be taking characters and putting them in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story, poor fanfiction that either a) puts the characters in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story or b) is nowhere near correct as far as the characters themselves react to things, is just as much of an insult.And what do you do when reading fanfiction? You pick out the good ones. So what can you do when watching hentai? Pick out the good ones. True, it is hard to find good hentai since the most hentai has little to no story at all, but they are there.

[-Batman-]

[quote]I don't have a problem with a sexual encounter in a story. But why make it pornographic? Once again, like I said originally, that takes the focus away from the real story and art.Which is why artists draw hentai, so nothing is taken away from the original story and art.


I'd be more than happy to voice my concerns to them, and tell them how they should stop wasting their talents on something that can be just as effective when drawn poorly.Yet again, they are making money, and as long as they are making money I don't see how they waste their talent. Mangaka's are out there to get payed just as much as they are out there to create.


Incidentally, I have no interest in any of these mangas for the same reason. It gets too ridiculous, the stories aren't clever or interesting. They're just meant to be for the simple minds who desire sexual stimulus in an abnormal fashion.You missed the point completely. I was just using akamatsu as an example to prove my point of anime artists drawing hentai on their own series.



I'm not completely familiar with Japanese copyright laws, but I will say that either the copyright laws are different, and these sorts of things are allowed, or perhaps the publishers are getting paid well for the use of their characters. Japanese Copy-right laws are, more or less, the same as american copy-right laws.
Permission is required by the artist, and in turn, they will get paid as per your second example.


Fact is, whether or not the artists care, these are still as much a perversion of the original stories as it would be to put Michealangelo's David into a sexual pose.Perversion, thats the key word. Thats the PURPOSE of hentai, to ease the perverse fantasies of fans. However, your argument of hentai being a perverse of the original story goes out the window when you talk about hentai thats original.
In which case, the only argument you have left is the argument about artists wasting their talents on perverse, unarousing artwork. This is STILL not a waste of talent, as they still make money. If you make enough money drawing hentai to get your bills payed and have some extra money in your pocket then I fail to see how it's a waste of talent.


Oh, and yes some H-manga are poorly drawn, but so are a lot of normal manga. But to say every last H-manga is poorly drawn is the same as saying every normal manga is perfect.

[Regex]

Then how about the dubs that change the Japanese culture items to fit with American culture ones? Culture needs to be translated as much as language does. You should know better than to think otherwise.


And what do you do when reading fanfiction? You pick out the good ones. So what can you do when watching hentai? Pick out the good ones. True, it is hard to find good hentai since the most hentai has little to no story at all, but they are there.Granted, I don't go out looking for "good hentai" but I have yet to find any hentai based on an existing good story or series that can be considered "good" by the standards of the original story.


Which is why artists draw hentai, so nothing is taken away from the original story and art.Make good art without making it pornographic. When it's pornographic, most people are looking at the sexual theme to it, not the art quality. That's degrading to the art form, to say the least.


Yet again, they are making money, and as long as they are making money I don't see how they waste their talent. Mangaka's are out there to get payed just as much as they are out there to create.If I were making $100,000 annually programming a calculator to display "Hello World" I would consider it a waste of my talent. I'd still do it for the money, because I feel that earning money like that would be important to supporting a family. But my talents as a software developer are best used in solving complex problems. Writing programs that could make tedioius jobs easier, etc. In the same way, an artist who can draw beautiful pictures should not be wasting his or her talents on a perversion of that form of art without a good reason. I have this same fundamental feeling about all forms of pornography. A beautiful girl shouldn't be wasting such beauty on people who just view her in a sexual manner. Not that modeling to sell clothes is a whole lot better use of her looks, but you certainly can understand the difference in how she is being viewed in the two situations.


You missed the point completely. I was just using akamatsu as an example to prove my point of anime artists drawing hentai on their own series.I think I was more illustrating my belief in the value of good story



Japanese Copy-right laws are, more or less, the same as american copy-right laws.
Permission is required by the artist, and in turn, they will get paid as per your second example.If they are the same as American laws, then the artist himself doesn't even necessarily get a cut of it. Just the publisher, depending on the contract, and who owns the rights.


Perversion, thats the key word. Thats the PURPOSE of hentai, to ease the perverse fantasies of fans. However, your argument of hentai being a perverse of the original story goes out the window when you talk about hentai thats original.
In which case, the only argument you have left is the argument about artists wasting their talents on perverse, unarousing artwork. This is STILL not a waste of talent, as they still make money. If you make enough money drawing hentai to get your bills payed and have some extra money in your pocket then I fail to see how it's a waste of talent.Refer to my previous comment.



Oh, and yes some H-manga are poorly drawn, but so are a lot of normal manga. But to say every last H-manga is poorly drawn is the same as saying every normal manga is perfect.I'd like to think that poorly drawn manga could make up for it with good story. But I can't say that either. Don't know why those get purchased, and encourage the artists to continue... But I'd feel better about the world if they stopped.

[-Batman-]

Granted, I don't go out looking for "good hentai" but I have yet to find any hentai based on an existing good story or series that can be considered "good" by the standards of the original story.Wait...MOST doujin's, when on the internet, are still raw. So how can you tell if a story is good or not? Unless you can read japanese, you couldn't.

And really, ignore fan-translations, most of them fail unless you get them off of ...well can't name any sites otherwise I would be in trouble.

[Regex]

Due to page breaking, I'm going to have to post here just to say to refer to the edit of my previous post. A lot of confusion here.

[red storm]

Culture needs to be translated as much as language does. You should know better than to think otherwise.Do I think otherwise? Not at all, the point I was trying to make is that dubs at times also change the original. Many otaku's view this as a 'disgrace to the original' I do not, but how would a dub not be a disgrace, yet a hentai would?


Granted, I don't go out looking for "good hentai" but I have yet to find any hentai based on an existing good story or series that can be considered "good" by the standards of the original story.I will admit, good graphical hentai based on an existing story is really really hard to find, translations even harder, but it is not impossible.


Make good art without making it pornographic. When it's pornographic, most people are looking at the sexual theme to it, not the art quality. That's degrading to the art form, to say the least.Then I will asume I am not among those 'most people', when I find a hentai picture of a character I am fond of, the first thing I look at is the quality of the art. If I don't like the quality, it doesn't matter what the picture may display, I won't be saving it either way.

[-Batman-]

Make good art without making it pornographic. When it's pornographic, most people are looking at the sexual theme to it, not the art quality. That's degrading to the art form, to say the least.I don't speak for all hentai fans, But I personally DO look at the quality of the artwork, and not in a sexual manner.I'm an artist myself, which is why I can respect is as an artform. And you would be surprised at how many other fans respect the artwork as well.


If I were making $100,000 annually programming a calculator to display "Hello World" I would consider it a waste of my talent. I'd still do it for the money, because I feel that earning money like that would be important to supporting a family. But my talents as a software developer are best used in solving complex problems. Writing programs that could make tedioius jobs easier, etc. In the same way, an artist who can draw beautiful pictures should not be wasting his or her talents on a perversion of that form of art without a good reason. I have this same fundamental feeling about all forms of pornography. A beautiful girl shouldn't be wasting such beauty on people who just view her in a sexual manner. Not that modeling to sell clothes is a whole lot better use of her looks, but you certainly can understand the difference in how she is being viewed in the two situations.When it comes to normal pornography, there are a number of girls who WANT to do it.

As for the caculator example.

Thats completely diffrent. Programing a caculator takes no where near as much skill as say...programming a video game, or an image editor program like photoshop or flash.
However, you can't base art like that.In the case of hentai artists, it takes just as much skill and effort to draw as normal anime would. And if an artist draws poor quality hentai, does that mean his skills will suddenly improve when he draws normal hentai?
Drawing is drawing, you'll have the same amount of drawing skill no matter what you draw. Be it Hentai, Anime, a landscape, or a still life. Drawing in itself.
Also, a number of hentai artists may be in it for money, but another majority are doing it because the enjoy doing it.


If they are the same as American laws, then the artist himself doesn't even necessarily get a cut of it. Just the publisher, depending on the contract, and who owns the rights.As I said, more or less the same. That doesn't mean identical.

[Regex]

Do I think otherwise? Not at all, the point I was trying to make is that dubs at times also change the original. Many otaku's view this as a 'disgrace to the original' I do not, but how would a dub not be a disgrace, yet a hentai would?Simply because a dub preserves the story, presented to a different audience. An anime or manga based hentai is usually a completely illogical story, with the characters being perverted into something they shouldn't be.


When it comes to normal pornography, there are a number of girls who WANT to do it.And I'm certain the artists want to draw smut too. That doesn't change my feelings on the matter, or how I justify them.


Thats completely diffrent. Programing a caculator takes no where near as much skill as say...programming a video game, or an image editor program like photoshop or flash.
However, you can't base art like that.In the case of hentai artists, it takes just as much skill and effort to draw as normal anime would. And if an artist draws poor quality hentai, does that mean his skills will suddenly improve when he draws normal hentai?Why else is there so much hentai out there that looks so bad? Because the art quality is being overlooked by the people who just want to see drawn boobs.

[g0d_of_death]

It's impossible to have an actually serious talk on the subject of hentai (or porn in general). Since those who are repulsed by it will never understand why others like it, and those who like it will never convince the repulsed that it isn't horrible. I honeslty can't think of anything less erotic than cartoons having sex, but clearly that doesn't apply to everyone. And no I don't have a huge collection or any other crack pot theory on those who don't like it.
Thank you. I was looking for a post like this.

I personally don't care. People will go on looking at porn and go on looking at hentai, I personally choose not to. But one person's stand means nothing because as stated in the post above, people that like it cant convince those who dont that its not disgusting, and people who dont like it will never stop people who do like it from looking at it.

I can't honestly say I find it disgusting or repulsive, it's cartoons... but naked. You'd have to be a prude not to accept it as what it is. I'm just annoyed by the increadibly large breasts, thats the only thing I dislike about hentai. I choose not to view it (or any porn for that matter) but I won't censer myself from it. If it's there it's there, live with it. No one should be asked to like or dislike it.

And the blue part in the quote, by stating that I don't personally like hentai or view it does not mean that I have a huge stash of it. That's just an opinion; quite biased if you ask me. I'm not saying I have never viewed hentai, I'm just saying that I personally don't find it appealing, and i don't see a need for it.

[The Archangel]

Well i think it's wrong to talk of porn and hentai as they were the same thing. While porn is just adults prefered "stress reliever" hentai is art. I've seen some very good drawed hentai with even a funny side to it.

[-Batman-]

Why else is there so much hentai out there that looks so bad? Because the art quality is being overlooked by the people who just want to see drawn boobs.What does this honestly matter? we were talking about the actual ARTIST, not the fans. In no way does the artists skill level have anything to do with the pervese nature of the fans who read.

[Regex]

What does this honestly matter? we were talking about the actual ARTIST, not the fans. In no way does the artists skill level have anything to do with the pervese nature of the fans who read.To the contrary, without the fans encouraging the artists, a great majority of the artists would not continue in the fashion they do.


Well i think it's wrong to talk of porn and hentai as they were the same thing. While porn is just adults prefered "stress reliever" hentai is art. I've seen some very good drawed hentai with even a funny side to it.They are pretty much the same. One is people, and one is drawings. People can be doing things other than having sex, and people can draw things other than sex. And non-pornographic art is far more respectable.

[-Batman-]

and people can draw things other than sex. And non-pornographic art is far more respectable.Nudity is a form of pornography...So I guess we should paint over the sistine chapels ceiling, since thats full of it.

All art forms are respectable. Photographs are also considerd a form of art. I've seen plenty of tasteful, nude photographs, Oh both men and women.

[Regex]

Nudity is a form of pornography...So I guess we should paint over the sistine chapels ceiling, since thats full of it.Completely untrue. Pornography can be nude or non-nude. Nudity can be pornographic or non-pornographic. It is pornography when the intent is to sexually arouse.

[The Archangel]

They are pretty much the same. One is people, and one is drawings. People can be doing things other than having sex, and people can draw things other than sex. And non-pornographic art is far more respectable.
I disagree. I mean yes they both were created for the same purpose but i believe hentai has much more artistic value. Im talking of course of real hentai not those crappy draws with breats.

[-Batman-]

Completely untrue. Pornography can be nude or non-nude. Nudity can be pornographic or non-pornographic. It is pornography when the intent is to sexually arouse.Who's to judge when the intent is to arouse? Arousal is diffrent in everyone. Some people get aroused by pornography, yes. However, look at all of the sexual fetishes out there. Take necrophelia. Now, for most people, I doubt the Intent of a corpse is to sexually arouse people, But some people are sexually aroused by it.

As for this debate, I'm done for a while. I'll pick up again later when I can see some other peoples opinions.

[Regex]

Who's to judge when the intent is to arouse? Arousal is diffrent in everyone. Some people get aroused by pornography, yes. However, look at all of the sexual fetishes out there. Take necrophelia. Now, for most people, I doubt the Intent of a corpse is to sexually arouse people, But some people are sexually aroused by it.

As for this debate, I'm done for a while. I'll pick up again later when I can see some other peoples opinions.Now you've resorted to just being ridiculous. -2 debate points.

The intent is different from how it's being viewed. If someone is aroused by people in a police uniform, that doesn't make every police officer pornographic.

[BlueyedFox]

Hmm, I'm not going to start a protest or anything but I have to say that some of the ways hentai is portrayed kind of just takes away the "hotness" of it all. But hey, anyone who enjoys it be my guest. I just don't see how things that look so fake and unrealistic (like boobs the size of globes) can affect anyone in anyway. Oh well, that was my nickels worth.

[~Troublesome Woman~]

I still don't see how it can be a disgrace to the origional artist. Like Red Storm says, does that make fanfiction a disgrace to the origional artist of the show?
Just because it's "porn", you shouldn't class it any differently to fanfiction. Some fanfiction is even more "sexual" than some hentai. People are animals, so saying that nudity and stuff is bad is kind of stupid, seeing as we spent the first few centurys or so living out in the wild as ANIMALS.
Sex is what life revolves around. It's no good denying it. It does for every other species, and we aren't special or different. The continuation of the species (aka reproducing) is the most important thing. So it's natural for people to be obsessed with it.
As for the oversized breasts... well, yes, I have come across a lot of hentai like that, but there is quite a lot that does not have them. Or the tentacles, or the huge genitals, or any of that stuff. And a lot of it does have an interesting plot.

[Regex]

I still don't see how it can be a disgrace to the origional artist. Like Red Storm says, does that make fanfiction a disgrace to the origional artist of the show?
Just because it's "porn", you shouldn't class it any differently to fanfiction. Some fanfiction is even more "sexual" than some hentai. People are animals, so saying that nudity and stuff is bad is kind of stupid, seeing as we spent the first few centurys or so living out in the wild as ANIMALS.This is what I said earlier on that subject.
Fanfiction, however... At the risk of taking my rant off topic, nearly all fanfiction IS an insult. In the same way that hentai would be taking characters and putting them in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story, poor fanfiction that either a) puts the characters in a situation that doesn't fit in with the story or b) is nowhere near correct as far as the characters themselves react to things, is just as much of an insult.

[Negi Springfield]

hmm...i agree with everyone in this disscussion thread...to me i dont really phocus on hentai, i dont i phocus on the charichters features E.X. there eyes,hair,style, they way they act....i dont pay attention that mutch...

[ROXAS of the 13 order]

well kids should not be looking at that but if they have acess to it and its ok with there parents hell let them wacth it who r u 2 say who can and can't wacth this.

[saskie]

I don't know if this relates to the thread or not but... You have to think and look at some of the "innocent" animes. For example; Dragon ball z or Pokemon. They don't stay innocent forever. No anime is innocent. Even in Mangas, all the rating has been put lower when they expose a little hentai in it. So yea... My point is there's always hentai in every anime.

[Gjallarhorn]

I don't know if this relates to the thread or not but... You have to think and look at some of the "innocent" animes. For example; Dragon ball z or Pokemon. They don't stay innocent forever. No anime is innocent. Even in Mangas, all the rating has been put lower when they expose a little hentai in it. So yea... My point is there's always hentai in every anime. I do not think you understand that: Hentai = Anime porn.

[Faceless111]

I do not think you understand that: Hentai = Anime porn.
Hentai actually translates to "pervert", but yeah, it's most commonly thought to be anime porn.

[miss honeybee ai]

same reason why exabitionists expose themselves in public

Because they want attention and can't get it in any form


same reason why people have sex with animals

Same reason they can't get any real affection or attention from a person so they do it with an animal


same reason why sadists get off by hurting others

Because they have *real* problems and they need help...


It seems that people only read/view heintai for attention and can't get it anywhere else....how sad:<_<:

[-Batman-]

Because they want attention and can't get it in any formNo, It's because they get off knowing people can see their exposed bodies.



Same reason they can't get any real affection or attention from a person so they do it with an animalNo, as a matter of fact, it's because they get off on animals.



Because they have *real* problems and they need help...Thats why they have BSM clubs.




It seems that people only read/view heintai for attention and can't get it anywhere else....how sad:<_<: What the...Do you know how retarded that sounds? How are you going to get attention from a drawing. It's not like it's going to talk to you and take you out to a movie.

Please...read up on sexual fetishes before talking. Most health classes in high schools teach them, so if you havn't hit your senior year of HS yet, go read up on them on your own.

[LINK the swordsman]

I have a friend whos in love with hentia (IT'S SICK!) he has a girlfriend and one time she saw him looking at it and she was really MAD she told him she would leave him if she saw him looking at it again and he agreed but he still is looking at the stuff it's sicking he has a girl who likes him and hes looking at that stuff it stupid one of these days she going to see him and when she dose he going to regret it.

[-Batman-]

I have a friend whos in love with hentia (IT'S SICK!) he has a girlfriend and one time she saw him looking at it and she was really MAD she told him she would leave him if she saw him looking at it again and he agreed but he still is looking at the stuff it's sicking he has a girl who likes him and hes looking at that stuff it stupid one of these days she going to see him and when she dose he going to regret it.His girlfriend would most likely be pissed if he were looking at REAL porn as well.

[Ami~chan]

Well, hentai doesn't bother me any more than real-life porn does. It can be well made, or it can be stupid, meaningly and utterly offensive to the industry of filmmaking.

Too much of anything is bad; I see nothing wrong with watching a little hentai every here and now, but to be obsessed... Well, that's a different story.

[Darth Tyranus]

These arguements are just silly, and I think I'm safe to say most hentai is NOT art. Having pretty drawings is not the same thing as being artwork. Art is supposed to convey the creators feelings and views. Hentai is whack off material and nothing else, it's fine if you like it but lets not say it's art.

[urrik]

i have a friend that has a hentai problem he just can't stop and he ignores his gf too its just sad

[urrik]

What predicument? You act like people are forced too watch it.well not really but im just saying i don't want to see or watch it u know what i mean?

[anime OG]

I don't like it I think it looks silly. Really if you are going to watch pplz do it I think pornography is alot more usual then hentai. But I don't really watch either of them so basically I just think hentai is a little odd!

[anime OG]

His girlfriend would most likely be pissed if he were looking at REAL porn as well.Srry red but I doubt this cause porn has humans and hentai has cartoons porn and I think she wouldn't care but real porn cause he is a guy right? I mean not ever guy watches it but maybe she would rather want him watching real porn instead of watching cartoon porn! OR maybe she just wanted him to give her some who knows!!

[Kira_yamato69]

harsh covo people!

[Masali]

I can, without shame, say I read, and watch hentai. Do I get off and start beating it to hentai? no. Then why do I read it? Well, It's kind of like "it's wrong but I can't help but look". Personally I see nothing wrong with it. In a way, Hentai could be more appropriate then regular pornography. In porn, two people are screwing under a controled environment. No love, no passion, just emotionless fornication. In hentai (depending on the artist) the artist will create genuine feelings, because it's his art. If the artist intends for there to be love, there will be love (as with any other emotions). however, most hentai that those who are...let's say...not as adept as finding good material, are quick to lable hentai as sick, disgusting, and wrong. Now, morally it may be wrong. But there's nothing wrong with the artistic representation of two people engaged in these acts. And, Darth, as much as I hate to contradict you to a hentai artist their work IS art. To them, at least. Just because you do not see any of the artists emotions on the paper doesn't mean they're not there. I will say one more thing. Some very magnificant animes began as hentai game. A perfect example is "AIR". In the dating sim, most of it centers on building a loving relationship with any of the 3 girls in the story. It's very involved, and almost 100% story orientated. There is sex, but it's in the end and not mindless but (as corny as this sounds) with true emotion. Besides, most hentai games have better art then most high end animes. And animes such as Air, kanon, and 2 heart which are spawned from hentai games (when put into anime form) have great art and great stories. Not true for all hentai games (one that comes to mind is situation: elevator...) though. Many are just mindless emotionless gameplay. But the few out there (Kanon, Air, 2heart) are like reading a good book with beautifully illustrated pictures, Interesting and quirky Characters, and Vividly portrayed emotions. Judging hentai by what you see on the mainstream is like (and I quote a wise person) "Judging rock and roll by bands like good charlotte and Greenday. Are they mainstream? Yeah. Are they good? Hell. No."

[DarkPrinceBman]

Well I havent really watched a hentai movie, but I like to read graphic novels...stuff considered hentai cause its beyond explicite...I mean its not a thing to get off on its just that I love the intimate story lines and it just moves at a more real pace...

I dont find anything wrong with hentai...mainly because pleasure is pleasure


EDIT: And Masali is exactly on point with what I was trying to express...normaly in a hentai novel...story lines are built up, from some logical, romantic, or down right wrong with few, and then it becomes explicite. Um...I would name a few mangas I read though I wouldnt think it healthy for the forums since some titles are alittle well....implying...

[anime OG]

I can, without shame, say I read, and watch hentai. Do I get off and start beating it to hentai? no. Then why do I read it? Well, It's kind of like "it's wrong but I can't help but look". Personally I see nothing wrong with it. In a way, Hentai could be more appropriate then regular pornography. In porn, two people are screwing under a controled environment. No love, no passion, just emotionless fornication. In hentai (depending on the artist) the artist will create genuine feelings, because it's his art. If the artist intends for there to be love, there will be love (as with any other emotions). however, most hentai that those who are...let's say...not as adept as finding good material, are quick to lable hentai as sick, disgusting, and wrong. Now, morally it may be wrong. But there's nothing wrong with the artistic representation of two people engaged in these acts. And, Darth, as much as I hate to contradict you to a hentai artist their work IS art. To them, at least. Just because you do not see any of the artists emotions on the paper doesn't mean they're not there. I will say one more thing. Some very magnificant animes began as hentai game. A perfect example is "AIR". In the dating sim, most of it centers on building a loving relationship with any of the 3 girls in the story. It's very involved, and almost 100% story orientated. There is sex, but it's in the end and not mindless but (as corny as this sounds) with true emotion. Besides, most hentai games have better art then most high end animes. And animes such as Air, kanon, and 2 heart which are spawned from hentai games (when put into anime form) have great art and great stories. Not true for all hentai games (one that comes to mind is situation: elevator...) though. Many are just mindless emotionless gameplay. But the few out there (Kanon, Air, 2heart) are like reading a good book with beautifully illustrated pictures, Interesting and quirky Characters, and Vividly portrayed emotions. Judging hentai by what you see on the mainstream is like (and I quote a wise person) "Judging rock and roll by bands like good charlotte and Greenday. Are they mainstream? Yeah. Are they good? Hell. No."But still porn is still a way use humans do it and so where did hentai come from porn so emotions or not hentai came from porn. In fact I am glad this is a anime site instead of a plain social site cause this porn and hentai subject could go on forever and I besides I don't watch this stuff anyway!! I am not disrepecting anyone who watches, it I just don't watch it! Or in that fact I don't watch porn neither!

[DarkPrinceBman]

Wait actually I wouldnt think Hentai came from Porn..mayby Doujin or something but some hentai mangas are actually well thought out and as complex as any anime. In all actuality Hentai...or any other pornagraphy will be taken as its normaly taken...where its just something to "pleasure themselfs" with...but there are few artistic views on nudity and intercorse...like many modern and classical artist sex has been something people have been trying to display

[Tsuna Kadiri]

Well now.
Looking at it from an artist's point of view, there's no reason why hentai artists or drawings shouldn't be considered as art or make anyone think any less of an artist because of it. There is no rule as to what makes a good art piece and what doesn't, and there is no one in the world that could make that rule, either.

There are alot of good H-artists that don't draw or create hentai pieces all of the time, and probably some of the artists that work with H-games are some of the best artists out there (Carnelian and Tony Taka are two of the best artists I can think of that are pretty well known for their work in H-games and the like, and have ALOT of talent, more then alot of artists I have ever heard of or seen). And there are a few other artists like Tasuku Iizuki and Tetsuya Ohno that have done alot of hentai work, and both are extremely talented and that is visible in any kind of art they decide to do, whether it be just a normal CG or a hentai collection.

So, I guess what I'm sort of getting at is that hentai artists don't get enough credit for what they draw or create. Some people don't or decide not to look past the sexual part of it and can't see it for a talented piece, but all in all I feel as though hentai artists in general get a bad rap for what they do. But don't think I don't realize that when people watch hentai, most of the time they aren't hell bent on looking for the art quality in it. Let alone respect it for a talented piece.

I just felt like getting that off my chest..

And I don't have a problem with hentai. Not one bit. Despite what anyone says, there are alot of amazing H-artists out there that can make beautiful pieces of artwork and have SO much talent that I would sacrifice my right arm to have at least 1/4 of the skill they do (If I did that, I might not be able to draw as well, but my left arm will have to do <_<). Although I look at it from more of an artistic point of view rather than just straight out porn.

[anime OG]

Wait actually I wouldnt think Hentai came from Porn..mayby Doujin or something but some hentai mangas are actually well thought out and as complex as any anime. In all actuality Hentai...or any other pornagraphy will be taken as its normaly taken...where its just something to "pleasure themselfs" with...but there are few artistic views on nudity and intercorse...like many modern and classical artist sex has been something people have been trying to displayBut I can draw someone naked, and not have a problem but hentai sex is the same as porn so basically it may be of art form of course and it may be love like making but still wat does hentai do that we do think!!! And only us could have created such a thing right just think about first!

[Daenerys]

I watch Hentai. Only because it makes me snort juice out of my nose when I laugh too hard.

[anime OG]

I watch Hentai. Only because it makes me snort juice out of my nose when I laugh too hard.I never watched it but that is a funny joke u made!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!

[Daenerys]

...If you never watched it, why are you incoherently spamming in this thread and making no sense? No wonder people keep bad repping you.

The topic is Hentai.

Not Bad Rep. Not Jokes.

Hentai.

[anime911]

Srry red but I doubt this cause porn has humans and hentai has cartoons porn and I think she wouldn't care but real porn cause he is a guy right? I mean not ever guy watches it but maybe she would rather want him watching real porn instead of watching cartoon porn! OR maybe she just wanted him to give her some who knows!!
LOL! yeah that is true though. My Girl would think I'm crazy if I was wacthing Hentai. Matter of fact she would probaly break up wit me! LOL

[Reika Yagami]

I watch hentai, A lot. And i guarantee half the members on this forum watch it, and deny it.
You can't go on an anime forum of this size and not have hentai fans, it's not possible.

Oh, and for the megatokyo fans. Fred Gallagher is a hypocrite. Why? He goes on saying how hentai is an insult too anime, yet back in 97 he drew a 70 page LOLI-CON doujin. Loli, and furries, are the 2 forms of hentai I can't STAND.

Really, I see nothing wrong with hentai. It's not that big of a deal, really. I go on hentai forums, and trust me...Not all hentai fans are bad people, a lot of them are...guess what...NICE (And most hentai forums have a nice population of female members, so it's not just a guy thing)

On a last note. To the woman who say it's disgusting...If you EVER watch yaoi, you are a hypocrite.

Those are my views, as I see it, no one should care.

If you don't like it, thats fine too. I can respect that, but it's annoying when people
-Deny they like it when they really do
-Insult others when they watch it.


Edit: To the ABOVE poster. Why do you assume that people who watch hentai JUST look at perverted pictures for the rest of their lives as thats what you are saying.
you may have a point there. although there not many hentai fans were bad either.

to be honest. i really guarantee to anyone's opinions and comments. [cough] i did watched hentai pastly 4 or 6 years ago back then. [cough] its only just normal people acting in a strange way. @_@ yaoi/yuri pairings are also part of ecchi. i did watched hentai when one my friends want to watching it and when i feel blush.... ;)

[Grim Scythe]

hehehehe your lucky if i tried something like this then id get shutdown
but to answer your question
well i dont really care iv come across some and its looks to be like regular porn but drawn
so i guess its my opinion on porn too
which is
its your choice
as long as no one hurt then whatever
eh
oh and iv seen some of the tentacles
well i think thats just gross
eh i live in the US
im entitled to my opinion

[Faceless111]

The topic is Hentai.

Not Bad Rep. Not Jokes.

Hentai.
Weren't you the one that made the joke in the first place?

Anyways, I really don't have a problem with hentai. I don't see anything wrong with it (except lolicon). It's just more porn. There's plenty more that people should have a problem with. Two actual people in front of a camera and having sex seems more morally wrong to me. (I'm being a bit of a hypocrite, since this is the type of porn I prefer.) I agree with Darth, though. It's hentai and nothing more than whack off material. I really don't see much emotion in them. And I've only seen maybe one or two hentai that I actually enjoyed.

[DarkPrinceBman]

Wait could you discribe to me the different versons on hentai I dont get this

Loli & furries

Well in all honesty yes hentai will be dipicted as a form of pornagraphy just so viewers can "entertain themselfs" Though most people here are deffinitly fans of yuri and yaoi and I have seen many people dipict ecchi wallpapers so i guess this forum is pretty laid back when it comes to this sort of thing...I use to be a fan artist and well I drew my fair share of ecchi to get my reputation as a failry good artist there..and believe me nothing catches the attension of the audience more than....nudity...

[Masali]

Wait could you discribe to me the different versons on hentai I dont get this

Loli & furries

Loli (or lolicon) is the depiction of clearly underage girls engaged in acts of lewd sexual behavior.
In other words: ew...

Furries: Furry hentai is animals portrayed Anthropomorphically (with human characteristics) engaged in sexual intercourse.
In other words: Freaking ew...

I feel dirty just typing it...

But, if you don't want to take my word for it...Wikipedia to the rescue

Because funny animal characters are often used in children's entertainment, furry fandom has faced an issue about the place of erotica in the subculture. A number of furry fans are adults who enjoy themes that are considered unsuitable for children. Of these, many artists in the furry fandom produce pornographic artwork and stories, which in furry may be referred to as Yiffy* [removed by masali, HA! beat you too it, mods!] These works are often posted on public forums, personal web sites, and online art archives.

Scariest wiki search...

Loli is a Japanese abbreviation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_abbreviated_and_contracted_words) of Lolita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita) complex, which means pedophilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia) in Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan). Strictly speaking, Lolita complex in Japanese refers only to the condition, but the abbreviation lolicon can refer to pedophiles. Lolicon is often also used to refer to an attraction to any girl beneath the age of consent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent); in such a context, it might be more analogous to ephebophilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia). Lolicon artwork refers to sexual artwork, such as manga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga), portraying children or childlike characters. Most of such images are produced in Japan. They are usually of females between the apparent ages of 8 and 13, though sometimes much younger. Lolicon illustrations are generally legal in Japan, although pornography, including illustrations, that use actual children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography) were outlawed in 2000. Sexual manga featuring children or childlike characters is called lolita manga, or loli-manga.

Lolicon is a frequent subject of scholarly articles in Japan, where it is a widespread phenomenon. Many general bookstores and newsstands openly offer illustrated lolicon material.

While technically not lolicon material, an ubiquitous theme in Japanese pornography is that of females of legal age dressed in school uniforms. Also popular is the practice of enjo kosai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_kosai), a form of dating service in which adult men are paired with high-school-age girls.

2nd scariest wiki seach ever.

Summary: STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THIS AS YOU CAN!

[Kira_yamato69]

oh no its so seriouse!

[Janethan23]

Hentai and porn are here to stay whether we like it or not. People with innovative imaginations will always find ways to make it sexually worthwhile. Here are some of the achievements of man that became vessels of lewd and disgraceful interpretations to many.

When the telephone was invented, Alexander Graham Bell never realized that it will someday be used for phonesex. Same goes for motion picture & television it was a matter of time that XXX movies will surface. Even our personal computers and internet opens the door for cybersex or hentai games. So it’s no surprise that something wholesome and acceptable like cartoons will have a filthy side like hentai anime.

Personally I have no problem with hentai. I’ve seen a lot of them before however I outgrew it since being with real people made me prefer the real thing. I seldom get to see one anyway because the curiosity phase I had before is long gone and it just bores me to even view one. A lot of people still watching them young or old should realize that this should be treated as a phase and we shouldn’t get too engrossed in it because you’ll get stuck in a loop. Watching a couple of porn or hentai from time to time is also healthy since it can be refreshing and it’s a good stress reliever or educational tool if you look at it from a better perspective.

The only problem I may have with hentai is the fact that its majority caters to pedophilia and rape in a large scale. They mostly depict underage girls when forced into sex will actually enjoy “it” when aroused which in reality is a bad message as a whole. Stories about adults or characters coming of age are healthy representations of relationships which are ok but a child in their innocence getting it by force or coercion is totally uncool. I’ve also seen lots of hentai that they usually misrepresent a character by depicting an adult drawn with childlike features. This bothers me a lot because it’s disturbing to see an adult character drawn and voiced in the likeness of a child.

[Regex]

The "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is ridiculously overused. It doesn't apply to a debate like this. We were asked to share our thoughts.

I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!

[Capernicus]

The "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is ridiculously overused. It doesn't apply to a debate like this. We were asked to share our thoughts.

I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!
I honestly don't see how it hurts artistic integrity. People have been making art out of nude people since the dawn of time. College art students still do that class where they sketch the nude man/woman sitting in front of them (avoid that class at all costs!!!), porn (despite arguements to the contrary, hentai is a type of porn people), echi (which no one should ever have a problem with), etc. Scuptures, paintings, sketches, videos, I don't see how appling this to moving pictures affects artistic integrity.

[Masali]

I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!What you're forgetting is something that I also forget. This is based on your tastes. In your eyes, hentai is a disgrace to art. To me, it is not. It is an experimentation factor, and sometimes a tribute to other artists. Also, it seems your basing your opinion off of the run of the mill hentai on the net. I actually look for the stuff, I've seen the cream (no pun intended, I swear) of the crop. In fact, I could easily find you a fine example of quality hentai artwork that does not show any naughty bits.

http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/product/air/image/airse_pack_m.jpg

Hardly lacking in the Art department...and yet, hardly a kids game

[~Troublesome Woman~]

What you're forgetting is something that I also forget. This is based on your tastes. In your eyes, hentai is a disgrace to art. To me, it is not. It is an experimentation factor, and sometimes a tribute to other artists. Also, it seems your basing your opinion off of the run of the mill hentai on the net. I actually look for the stuff, I've seen the cream (no pun intended, I swear) of the crop. In fact, I could easily find you a fine example of quality hentai artwork that does not show any naughty bits.

http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/product/air/image/airse_pack_m.jpg

Hardly lacking in the Art department...and yet, hardly a kids game

I agree. Not all hentai even HAS any nudity or sex in it... it just implies. Especially a lot of yaoi.

[Regex]

I honestly don't see how it hurts artistic integrity. People have been making art out of nude people since the dawn of time. College art students still do that class where they sketch the nude man/woman sitting in front of them (avoid that class at all costs!!!), porn (despite arguements to the contrary, hentai is a type of porn people), echi (which no one should ever have a problem with), etc. Scuptures, paintings, sketches, videos, I don't see how appling this to moving pictures affects artistic integrity.Nudity isn't hurting anything. It's taking existing characters and putting them into pornographic situations that they would never be in, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about any time they're taking Shinji and Asuka and writing stories, drawing pictures, or whatever, where they have some sexual encounter. It's unnecessary.

[Capernicus]

Nudity isn't hurting anything. It's taking existing characters and putting them into pornographic situations that they would never be in, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about any time they're taking Shinji and Asuka and writing stories, drawing pictures, or whatever, where they have some sexual encounter. It's unnecessary.Yes, and I feel the same way. However, you can't use that type of hentai to form biases against all of it. Like the 2 users above you noted, some hentai has no sex at all. Some has very tasteful and emotional sex that isn't sex at all, it's passionate lovemaking. Try to keep an open mind, yeah?

[Regex]

Yes, and I feel the same way. However, you can't use that type of hentai to form biases against all of it. Like the 2 users above you noted, some hentai has no sex at all. Some has very tasteful and emotional sex that isn't sex at all, it's passionate lovemaking. Try to keep an open mind, yeah?If it isn't sexual, then it shouldn't be considered hentai, any more than any great art that includes nudity can be considered pornography. Hentai is a form of pornography, so if it's not pornographic, it can't be hentai.

[Masali]

y-you think air doesn't have sex?


























HAHAHAH HAHAHA HAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHAHHAHAH!!! Dead. Wrong. However, it's not as frequent as with most hentai games. It happens in the end once your character falls in love with one of the girls.

[Music Fiend]

Well, I have watched a couple of Hentai movies, so don't expect that radical, "I'm better than you because of my preferred morals" crap out of me. Stainless Night is a fine piece of work, for example. There's nothing wrong with a passionate sex scene or good yuri/lesbian scenes, and there have been some great Hentai titles that have done these things well. In fact, I like yuri a lot and I have a couple of movies saved on my computer. However, there are things that I'd NEVER watch in Hentai (or real life, for that matter). I refuse to watch Hentai with tenticle sex, characters "using the bathroom" (so to speak), yaoi, extreme bondage, transvestite/she-male, and sex with a pregnant woman (yuck). Even though I don't like those types of Hentai, I can't stand Rape Hentai. Now THAT'S something I can't tollerate.

Yet, even with my dislike for some forms of Hentai, I still like it and will continue to download it. So, go ahead and call me a pervert, like I see some jerk-offs doing when a user likes a picture, on this very site, that contains yuri or nudity and they find it find it appealing. I'm not. I appreciate anime and manga art that is beautiful, and there is some great art is some of the Hentai movies I've seen. "ALL Hentai is harmful, ahhhh!" - Bull crap.

[Regex]

y-you think air doesn't have sex?No, I was referring to what Capernicus said, that some hentai has no sex at all.

[Gjallarhorn]

I agree. Not all hentai even HAS any nudity or sex in it... it just implies. Especially a lot of yaoi. Actually, yes it does. That is what classifies it as Hentai. "Yaoi" is hentai with homosexual intercourse. If there is not intercourse, but still a homosexual relationship as the focus, it is shounen-ai.

Also, just for the record, I would like to state that the newly airing "Fate/Stay Night" anime is based off of an Hgame.

[Jackk]

Well, hentai doesn't bother me any more than real-life porn does. It can be well made, or it can be stupid, meaningly and utterly offensive to the industry of filmmaking.

Too much of anything is bad; I see nothing wrong with watching a little hentai every here and now, but to be obsessed... Well, that's a different story.Hentai doesn't strike me as something someone can be seriously obsessed with. Most people probably read/watch/ look at it every once in a while, but not nearly as much as people watch regular porn. Hentai is also more imaginative than regular porn, and can often be better done. Also the people in regular porn often don't show emotion or any expression, very much unlike hentai.

[Gjallarhorn]

Hentia doesn't strike me as something someone can be seriously obsessed with. Most people probably read/watch/ look at it every once in a while, but not nearly as much as people watch regular porn. Man, you would be suprised. I know some people whose interest in hentai is rather unnerving...

I like hentai, I have no problem with anyone liking hentai, but some people do take their interest too far. The same applies with actual pornography.

[Rageling]

Okay I enjoy hentai. I read hentai, I watch it, and I incasionally get off on it. Do I always like it? No. The women in a good hentai have all the basic physical attributes of real women, therefore why shouldn't someone be attracted to them. Oh and all you people who say people's girlfriends or boyfriends or whatever wouldn't mind a person looking at real porn over hentai, well that makes no sense whatsoever. WHy would someone prefer someone being attracted to another real person over a fictional one. I mean you can't really be jealous over someone who isn't real. Some people are obsessed with hentai but some people are obsessed with cars, does that mean we should take there keys away from them? Well admittedly it is kinda fun, but also cruel. All things that feel good or make someone happy have a chance of becoming addictive.

Some hentai like lolicon, bathroom stuff, and rape are quite frankly disturbing but anything with that genre would also be well creepy and in many cases just plain wrong.

To sum it up. Hentai is okay, some content can make hentai bad, and people are responsible for there own obsessions, the obsession itself is not to blame.

[Music Fiend]

To sum it up. Hentai is okay, some content can make hentai bad, and people are responsible for there own obsessions, the obsession itself is not to blame.


Well said. Well, maybe not in a grammatical sense, but I understand your point.

[Dark Hybrid]

i think that hentai is kinda......cool cause its like another countrys way of pornography.

[Janethan23]

The "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is ridiculously overused. It doesn't apply to a debate like this. We were asked to share our thoughts.

I will continue to say what I think about the concept, because I feel that it might help to get my thoughts on how it's hurting artistic integrity. Perhaps someday, someone will change their mind because of me!
Whoa!
On the contrary... Having the right to choose and the option not to watch something I perceive distasteful is a manifestation of my opinions so excuse me if I happen to discuss them here on a discussion board. As a moderator you should know better than to look down on someone’s opinion when it’s “ridiculously overused”. So what if you view it overused? It’s the only weapon we have as consumers against companies who do bad products. Besides I was able to make a reasonable argument with my previous post but you had to focus on one particular phrase that obviously made sense just to base your rebuttal.

Like I mentioned in my previous post; people with innovative imaginations will always find ways to make something sexually worthwhile. It’s all a matter of taste that makes us accept it or not. I saw many wholesome characters that were not spared by hentai illustrators; Sailormoon, Dragonball, Card Captor Sakura to name some and I was shocked at first to see it. Even video game characters from Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, and Tekken etc were no exemption. My point in mentioning these examples is that even though the characters were put in lewd and shameful situations by some guy, I still purchased the anime and video game.
Why? It's because I should know better than to be influenced by someone's sick fantasies. To make it simple… I don’t share his taste in entertainment.

About hurting integrity as a whole…
Porn stars portraying wholesome and established occupations that children usually wish for when they grow up: fireman, policeman, doctor etc. A lot of people who watched the porn stars in such roles say that it doesn’t hurt the integrity of the occupation nor the institution itself. They know it’s just a fantasy being played out and it’s basically just make believe. Same goes for comedians who make fun of a famous celebrity or politician, it does not hurt any of their integrity whatsoever because it’s all in the context of fun. Even in art; the Mona Lisa has been used in so many publications and cartoons portraying the funny to the insane to even the sexy and disgusting and yet it’s still one of the renowned and sort after piece of art simply because of its integrity and moral soundness it gives to people viewing it. I bet you my G-string that if you ask the people who seen the Mona Lisa if they dislike the painting because it appeared in other media doing “other stuff” they will tell you they don't give a damn about it simply because it has nothing to do with the real Mona Lisa and Leonardo da Vinci PERIOD. So if you follow my point you’ll see even anime characters taken out of their element and put in disturbing and disgraceful acts don’t damage and soil their artistic integrity because you need consider the context of why they are there in the first place. It’s just fan fiction & fan service to a few horny fans that can’t get enough of them made by other artist that have no connection to the original.

In a nutshell…
The ones who can really hurt one’s integrity is the person or institution itself. Martha Steward’s integrity was damaged not because of comedians making fun of her nor was she a victim of bad publicity. She did it to herself when she made some illegal transactions that may favor her company (insider trading).

[Regex]

Whoa!
On the contrary... Having the right to choose and the option not to watch something I perceive distasteful is a manifestation of my opinions so excuse me if I happen to discuss them here on a discussion board. As a moderator you should know better than to look down on someone’s opinion when it’s “ridiculously overused”. So what if you view it overused? It’s the only weapon we have as consumers against companies who do bad products. Besides I was able to make a reasonable argument with my previous post but you had to focus on one particular phrase that obviously made sense just to base your rebuttal.Uh.. Actually, that phrase is simply a copout. It should be obvious to everyone that if you do not like something like that, you don't have to partake in it. However, we have been asked to share our thoughts. So that's what I did. Saying "If you don't like it, don't watch it" is just basically telling me "Although you were asked to share your thoughts, you should sit down and shut up." That's not proper form in this argument at all. Don't go giving me trouble about that.

I find it just as much an insult to Leonardo DaVinci when I see the Mona Lisa in an ad saying "I'm smiling because I saved big in this sale!" It's not in the context of fun at all. It's taking someone else's art, and using it for your own personal gain. I believe you should respect the art that someone has created. I admit that this isn't a belief shared by everyone, but different opinions are what this thread is all about.



In a nutshell…
The ones who can really hurt one’s integrity is the person or institution itself. Martha Steward’s integrity was damaged not because of comedians making fun of her nor was she a victim of bad publicity. She did it to herself when she made some illegal transactions that may favor her company (insider trading).Wrong, plain and simple. Ever heard of "Bad publicity"? If someone lies about you, and everyone believes it, no matter what you did or did not do, now your own reputation is damaged. If you are framed for murder, and you are convicted, that remains on your record. It's not your fault you were framed. The same thing can be said for the original characters in anime. It won't be at all to the same scale as the example I provided, but the idea is clear, I think.

[Capernicus]

How did this become about reputation? Honestly, there a re a host of things that can damage a persons (mangaka) reputation, and an animes. I think being "marred" by hentai is not the worst way that can happen to them. Far worse is to have the copywrite violated, some kind of criminal activity, or plegarism. Hentai isn't so bad an "offense".

[Regex]

How did this become about reputation? Honestly, there a re a host of things that can damage a persons (mangaka) reputation, and an animes. I think being "marred" by hentai is not the worst way that can happen to them. Far worse is to have the copywrite violated, some kind of criminal activity, or plegarism. Hentai isn't so bad an "offense".Reputation isn't exactly what I was focusing on. I was focusing more on the artistic integrity. The fact that characters maintain the characters that they were created to be, and don't get used for things that are completely uncharacteristic of them. As someone who considers himself an artist, I have strong feelings on the subject. (I admit, I don't draw. I have other forms of art.)

[Janethan23]

Wrong, plain and simple. Ever heard of "Bad publicity"? If someone lies about you, and everyone believes it, no matter what you did or did not do, now your own reputation is damaged. If you are framed for murder, and you are convicted, that remains on your record. It's not your fault you were framed. The same thing can be said for the original characters in anime. It won't be at all to the same scale as the example I provided, but the idea is clear, I think.Geez dude you might have trust issues...
With your reasoning I guess you're easily swayed by false witnesses and reports. Many People lied about Princess Diana about a lot of things and was bombarded with bad publicity left and right yet she did not lose or soil any integrity she had. People who usually believe in lies and fabrications are so gullible if they ignore evidence and especially due process. How many cases were proven when evidence speaks for itself? Usually sentiments of witnesses are irrelevant in court since it is influenced by many factors like Jealousy, greed, lust, ambition, revenge etc. Let’s say if a co-worker lied about me being lazy and a lot of people believed him and gets me in trouble or even fired then it’s their loss since I will sue them and let the records and results of my work speak for themselves that I’ve been doing an ok if not exceptional job.

There are far worse things that can happen to anime characters and Capernicus just hit the nail on the head. Like why should we get worked up by a handful of horny fans finding ways to satisfy themselves? Trust me when I tell you that these hantai illustrators and fans won’t make a dent to whatever artistic integrity the real animators set out to establish. Your indignation towards the characters portrayed in hentai is justifiable but if you let it cloud you judgment on how to enjoy the real ones then you have some unwanted angst.

[Regex]

Geez dude you might have trust issues...
With your reasoning I guess you're easily swayed by false witnesses and reports. Many People lied about Princess Diana about a lot of things and was bombarded with bad publicity left and right yet she did not lose or soil any integrity she had. People who usually believe in lies and fabrications are so gullible if they ignore evidence and especially due process. How many cases were proven when evidence speaks for itself? Usually sentiments of witnesses are irrelevant in court since it is influenced by many factors like Jealousy, greed, lust, ambition, revenge etc. Let’s say if a co-worker lied about me being lazy and a lot of people believed him and gets me in trouble or even fired then it’s their loss since I will sue them and let the records and results of my work speak for themselves that I’ve been doing an ok if not exceptional job.Uh.. None of this really applies. Trust has nothing to do with it. Court cases? You're trying to argue that I miss evidence because I think it's insulting to use someone's art in some way other than the original intention? That's -5 debate points for you right there. (For the record, at least here in the US, you can be let go if your boss feels you are doing poorly, whether or not you are doing exceptional. If the boss can justify that you are not needed, there is nothing legally binding him to keep you there)

Say what you like, but this whole thread is about opinions. I stated and justified my opinion, and even offered up reasoning why someone should change their opinions to match mine. What are you arguing? That artists and their art don't deserve to be respected enough to preserve the characters? What more can be said there? I think it does, and clearly you disagree. Attempting to personally attack me based on your limited, and incorrect observations of what I've said, that gets you nowhere.


There are far worse things that can happen to anime characters and Capernicus just hit the nail on the head. Like why should we get worked up by a handful of horny fans finding ways to satisfy themselves? Trust me when I tell you that these hantai illustrators and fans won’t make a dent to whatever artistic integrity the real animators set out to establish. Your indignation towards the characters portrayed in hentai is justifiable but if you let it cloud you judgment on how to enjoy the real ones then you have some unwanted angst.I feel it's insulting. I didn't mean to imply that I felt like it changed my opinion of the original art. I mean only to say that it's an insult, and that I feel it should not be done. I don't go parading around town with signs saying "Stop Hentai Now!" But in a discussion thread here, the question was asked how I feel about it. This is how I feel. Quit twisting things around, because that's all you seem to do in these discussions.

[YogiB]

I don't have a problem with it! I watch occasionally and when I can find any decent ones. It's just natural to want to look at stuff like that. It's really no big deal.

And I am female and have several female friends who watch it, too so it's really not just a male thing and I agree with the above poster, it doesn't nessecarily make some one a bad person because everyone does and even if you don't look at pictures I'm sure You fantasize about things at least some times. (and if you haven't gotten to that fun time in you life you will soon)... I couldn`t agree more with her.. I can admit that I have watched hentai and like some of it better then normal pron because in the real life the fanasty has an limtied and that haven`t hentai.. and I can agree I have fantasied about some of the female carathers from differnce Anime & Manga.. Like Sailor Mecruy.. And I now some of my female friend that like hentai.. and a friend of mine his is stdying Japanese.. there they discusted Hentai in class...

What class is that? Mine never has, Hain-sensei never touched the subject, though she's discussed anime and manga. I wonder how she feels about hentai now.........maybe I'll ask and post her reply here. on universty in Norway.. I was suprised when he told med that.. I`m looking forward too hear how it wenthttp://animeforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://animeforum.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif


Hentai is indeed "Perverted" and something for teenagers above 14-15 and adults. It wouldn't be wrong for a young child to see such things but it would effect them in a bad way and in my belief make them do stuff they shouldn't.
So in general there is nothing wrong with hentai for teens and adults but kids. But i agree a litle with Maya here.. beacuse some of the "rape" part that`s what I think is worng and kids shoulden`t watch and it`s like in Rapvideoes it`s give a worng image of how girls shall look.. and if kids watching that young then maybye thing thats how too have sex with a girl and so on..

[Capernicus]

and a friend of mine his is stdying Japanese.. there they discusted Hentai in class...What class is that? Mine never has, Hain-sensei never touched the subject, though she's discussed anime and manga. I wonder how she feels about hentai now.........maybe I'll ask and post her reply here.

[Janethan23]

Uh.. None of this really applies. Trust has nothing to do with it... That's -5 debate points for you right there.You're beginning to humor me.
You are the one who had to discuss about BAD PUBLICITY even though I briefly mentioned it as an example. Now my reply doesn't apply to our little discussion. I know this your turf and you may do what you please with members that could cross you but let me tell you something sis... you can deduct as much points as you want or suspend or ban me for all I care but it will not make you more right than I am. There are other forums out there with moderators that don't meddle and get involved with members debates anyway. I'm done discussing this with you so you're free to do your role as moderator crusading to change other people’s minds. http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/in_awe.gif Good luck http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/in_awe.gif

[.Lovebeat]

It's just like porn in anime version... and like what I THINK - most of the people has been watching some before, out of curiousity. But still, people should NOT insult people for watching hentai, since it's none of their business what people likes to watch and such.
I don't know about the culture in japan when it comes to hentai at least... there's every type of anime and hentai should exist as well I guess ^^;

[Souhi]

It's just like porn in anime version... and like what I THINK - most of the people has been watching some before, out of curiousity. But still, people should NOT insult people for watching hentai, since it's none of their business what people likes to watch and such.
I don't know about the culture in japan when it comes to hentai at least... there's every type of anime and hentai should exist as well I guess ^^;Yes this is exactly how i feel about hentai as well. I've been watching anime for most of my life, and you can't help but encounter some form of hentai. I personally admit to have looked at some pictures, but no movies. I find it somewhat attractive, and I have nothing against people who enjoy it. It's their life, so why insult them, just because they enjoy something different than you?

[_allismine_]

Hentai can be good anime, as long as the 'scenes' aren't over-done. Like, ignoring all attempts at a plot because the show is 97% 'scenes'.
I, personally, don't watch hentai, but as long as it can hold a good storyline and have good characters, I might consider watching it.

When I'm 18. ^^

[Rageling]

Yo flamer noone asked what you thought about hentai fans so keep that opinion to yourself. Also do you really think that you are ever going to get together with your favorite porn stars? Well I hope not because by the time you get old enough to do anything they'll be prunes. Hentai is fantasy just fantasy if you watch porn because you have a crush on a porn star, now that is truelly a lot sadder than likeing hentai. Fantasy is fantasy whether drawn or acted out no one form is any better than the other.

[_allismine_]

Hentai is fantasy just fantasy if you watch porn because you have a crush on a porn star, now that is truelly a lot sadder than likeing hentai.XD Anyways, *NOT SAYING I DO*, but watching hentai is lot...cleaner than real porn, you know what I mean? Personally, I couldn't stand the thought of that woman in that magazine / movie being with so many guys...it gives woman a bad name...

[Darth Tyranus]

Why is this topic STILL going on? What left is their to say abount cartoons screwing each other? Nothing I can think of.

[_allismine_]

Why is this topic STILL going on? What left is their to say abount cartoons screwing each other? Nothing I can think of.XD You know, (s)he's got a point.

[00Hellsing00]

What do you think of it? It's a world phenomenon that exists mostly in Japan. Why is that? Has it got anything to do with their culture? Is it "pervs only" or could it have another meaning? I'm open to opinions on this?
I dont really care to find out why exactly. But i think its just made for some people , the same thing as how most things are made like shows and such . some people or someone making something they would like to see , and advertising it .

I think theres nothing wrong with it really. Whoever likes it and wants to watch it , just like alot of things in life , its their business. i dont hate it but i dont love it either . I just dont really care , its just there.

So yea i think its just down to the persons likes and dislikes , i can bet in this thread alot of people would say its wrong and perverted , others not caring , some liking . Its all about opinion. It is what it is . Nothing more or less.

[GreyFox37]

There are three types of hentai out there: ones you watch for story and sex, ones you watch to laugh at, whether it be horrible english voice acting or the comedy and sex involved, and those that are just flat out sick and I wouldn't touch with a 15 foot pole.

I find hentai to be better than real porn most of the time, also, it makes me wish those klutzy soft core porns could make their "fantasies" look better than make it a joke (sizzle with steak is REALLY great). But, yeah, porn and hentai are supposed to be klutzy and silly in many cases.

The animation on some hentais are fantastic, but then you get some that looks like it was done by a South Park wannabe.

Bottom line: being attracted to cartoons is a normal fantasy, unless it gets out of hand and interferes with a normal life (or you're like a kid I know on the tech floor at work who is constantly looking this crap up and I am recording his log times without himeven knowing about it. Not to mention, talking to him at the "Water Cooler" just creeps me out). Liking hentai more than real porn is understandable too, since they occasionally touch on really exotic fetishes such as elves, cat girls, futa (its exotic, but I'm not a fan), and so on.

[Zave]

What do you think of it? It's a world phenomenon that exists mostly in Japan. Why is that? Has it got anything to do with their culture? Is it "pervs only" or could it have another meaning? I'm open to opinions on this?its ok its not good but i think its fine i mean all it is is big boobs and theres kinda nothin wrong with that of course its noy ok to get addicted or you could do things:eek:

[Kishiro]

I'm glad all you guys can also admit to watching it. I know I do, and I have no shame being honest about it. I'm 18.

All the good points have been made, so I'll just let all they neigh sayers and protesters know that I agree with the Redfield22, Member Name, Xero XII, etc.

Its cool this thread didn't get closed down though.

[Tigris]

I have been watching this thread alot lately....it's interesting.....I love hentai....but I'm glad Miss Honeybee Ai mentioned religion....anyways, I like hentai though.....and mostly everybody else have a good stand point on the issue, so I don't need to type a long post or anything....but also, I haven't seen anybody mention this but, henati also gives great ideas too....it's fun....anyways, go hentai and all that stuff.....yay....

[tao_bason05]

ok...hentai is only for the people who really want it.... i got a friend who has a crap load of hentai DVD's and books....lucky i'm not into that hentai...i'm not that crazy.....but the craziest thing that i know...hentai in japan has gone over the edge...little kids in it..mostly liitle girls...and i don't even want to know about that yaoi crap.......like damn....the japanese are so perverted that i can't believe it!

[Janethan23]

ok...hentai is only for the people who really want it.... i got a friend who has a crap load of hentai DVD's and books....lucky i'm not into that hentai...i'm not that crazy.....but the craziest thing that i know...hentai in japan has gone over the edge...little kids in it..mostly liitle girls...and i don't even want to know about that yaoi crap.......like damn....the japanese are so perverted that i can't believe it!True
There are disturbing scenes too like child molestation and rape by force or by coercion. How sick can one get to get off on these fetishes like come on man. Children shouldn’t be in porn in the 1st place and here we see (if you really look) them on girl on girl action, teacher on student and parent on sibling encounters. Its fine if we see adults or teens doing it depicted in hentai but children? Come on man there are much better things to do in the real world then fantasize on these.

[Lunamaria]

It's sort of against my religion so I'm gonna have to say I'm concered. Sorta.

The Japanese have quite an imagination. But I think they took their imagination way too far. My favorite type of hentai would be the one you just laugh at. Cause I would have something to laugh at instead of something to barf on.

Can I point out girl on girl action is sick, teachers hitting on students is gay and parents hitting on their children is nasty?

I don't enjoy hentai, and I don't look at hentai. I've been curious but that's it. If people want to look at disgusting and disturbing anime let them. It's their choice. The choices you make in life is important, and make sure your choices are good. But then again, my religion comes first. I respect other people even if what they do is sorta against it. Hey, we're not made to hate.

Personally, I wouldn't look at hentai if I were you. And no, Wilder, I don't think children should be curious at such a young age. They'd be cute little pervies. ^_^

[Darth Tyranus]

girl on girl action is sick
Says you.

The Japanese have quite an imagination. But I think they took their imagination way too far. My favorite type of hentai would be the one you just laugh at. Cause I would have something to laugh at instead of something to barf on.
Oh come on! You act like their is plenty of digsuting american porn. Anyone who thinks hentai is actually any more disguting than regular porn is just being naive.

[shinju hoshi]

XD Anyways, *NOT SAYING I DO*, but watching hentai is lot...cleaner than real porn, you know what I mean? Personally, I couldn't stand the thought of that woman in that magazine / movie being with so many guys...it gives woman a bad name... how is it cleaner? isnt it just like porn but in anime?

tao_bason05] [/b]Originally Posted by tao_bason05
ok...hentai is only for the people who really want it.... i got a friend who has a crap load of hentai DVD's and books....lucky i'm not into that hentai...i'm not that crazy.....but the craziest thing that i know...hentai in japan has gone over the edge...little kids in it..mostly liitle girls...and i don't even want to know about that yaoi crap.......like damn....the japanese are so perverted that i can't believe it!

i think hentai fits in japan's culture because there is no sex limit in japan, so thats y i think that thats the reason that the japanese r so perverted. BUT HAVING LIL GIRLS IN IT IS JUST WRONG!!!!!!!

[Kishiro]

You know, I'm surprised at how much protest is getting, especially on a anime forum as big as this, seeing as how most people don't get into watching hentai without first watching anime.

On top of that, people seem totally biased on this whole hentai thing. I mean, yeah there are some messed up things... Along the lines of La Blue Girl... But that goes for human porn too. Now, I can gladly say I never have, and hopefully never will, see tentacles in a real life porn, but the same principles apply when it comes to certain grotesque things. Have you ever had the misfortune of being tricked into seeing anything from Tubgirl or Goatse? T_T

I wanted to die, at that moment in my life.

Anyway, hentai is just really another form of anime. And I think there obviously people here whomn won't admit for the life of them that they watch it. Maybe they are afraid of the odd looks and remarks people would ask. Because, that does happen out there in the world, when you are the only anime fan in your group of friends, or at least the only one that watches hentai.
I was going to quote a few things, but I'll just address them without doing it.

Girl on girl, is one of the most awesome conceptions by mankind. And like it has been said before, don't wave your yaoi obsession in our faces, and then complain about how girl on girl is sick, and then go back to telling me us how hot Gravitation is. Yeah, I'd like to see Anime Network try and get away with playing a show like Gravitation about girls. You know what kind of uproar there would be? No matter how tame it was?

Teachers and students.... How is that gay? Can you logically and reasonably back that unbeleivably ignorant, biased, and insulting statement? Last time I checked, if its a male and female, regardless of the age, it isn't gay. And I think that statement is wrong, and further more, inconsiderate towards our bisexual and homosexual memebers. I know for sure that my girlfriend would've ripped you a new one.

Children should not be in porn, or hentai for that matter, true enough. And you don't really see a lot of child pornography these days, thank goodness, but it is still out there. But something you have to remember is that the japanese have a thing for the whole school girl thing. Or at least it seems that way to me. Now, those "school girls" could be 18, they hardly ever say how old the girls are, and most people really don't even think about the age of a cartoon character unless it is important to the story.

And there is in fact, hentai that is normal like normal porn. So generalizing hentai as "disturbing anime" and such is invalid.

[Gjallarhorn]

Can you logically and reasonably back that unbeleivably ignorant, biased, and insulting statement?
Keep in mind, she said it is against her religion to watch hentai. It is therefore safe to assume that she is religious to the point that she will not watch an adult cartoon. Religion negates all logic and replaces it with "ignorance, bias, and insulting statements".

Okay, now, on the subject of lolicon(include shota in this as well), it is truelly something that should not be published or produced. I morally(yes, I do in fact have morals), cannot stand it. Sure there is a difference between real pornography and hentai, but that difference ceases to exist at the level of lolicon. It is also astounding how many fans of lolicon there are. Go to a hentai forum(which allows lolicon converastion, seeing as many do not allow it), and be amazed at how many threads and posts are dedicated to lolicon. Being a lolicon fan is about an inch from crossing the line into true pedofilia.

[shinju hoshi]

[QUOTE=Li Kishiro]Originally Posted by Li Kishiro
Girl on girl, is one of the most awesome conceptions by mankind. And like it has been said before, don't wave your yaoi obsession in our faces, and then complain about how girl on girl is sick, and then go back to telling me us how hot Gravitation is. Yeah, I'd like to see Anime Network try and get away with playing a show like Gravitation about girls. You know what kind of uproar there would be? No matter how tame it was?
[QUOTE]

girl on girl is Degrading to girls!!! and grossssssss same goes for boy on boy. its all so creepy to me.

[Janethan23]

girl on girl is Degrading to girls!!! and grossssssss same goes for boy on boy. its all so creepy to me.
Nice of you to point that out
I forgot to mention boys on boys by the way but don't get me wrong here... I'm for consenting adults having sex meaning whether it be hetorosexual, bisexual and even homosexual. I have no problem with them doing it. It's basically their choice and who are we to say otherwise.

Child porn in reality is exploitation
Even in hentai it shouldn't be patronized because like any other mass media or influences it stimulates and conditions the mind which in a way might manifest into something real like rape, incest, molestation and acts of lasciviousness. Even though many people have the emotional, psychological and even moral strength to resist the urges or temptations to act on them some people are not so fortunate so influences like child porn is not a good way to enrich one's imagination and fantasies.

We usually don’t need an exact verification of their age when depicted in hentai. Even if the characters say they’re +18 you could tell it’s still a child when they emulate childlike emotions and traits. One good indicator too is when they are drawn and voiced like children. Child porn or lolicon hentai always want to give you the impression they are young and “fresh” but usually they leave out their age because the age is mostly up to the viewer's imagination and fantasy yet writters and animators will leave you clues or clear signs that they are indeed very young.

[-Batman-]

Quick note: Anyone who brings up their religion...if you REALLY want to look down on hentai, Go download an episode of Bible Black...(you can tell from the name that it's not exactly "work safe")



On top of that, people seem totally biased on this whole hentai thing. I mean, yeah there are some messed up things... Along the lines of La Blue Girl...La Blue Girl was just retarded.


But that goes for human porn too. Thats right...Did you see that one porno, where this hot girl orders an "Extra large italian sasuge pizza". That was downright hilarious, and at the same time disturbing.
And to prove a point, a lot of hentai (with the exception of tentacles and such) Derives from real porn. I say this because I have seen the same exact Pizza Boy movie in hentai form.


Now, I can gladly say I never have, and hopefully never will, see tentacles in a real life porn,One time, on 4chan, I saw a picture of a woman with an octopus stuck in ...well..you get where i'm going with this...But does that count?


but the same principles apply when it comes to certain grotesque things. Have you ever had the misfortune of being tricked into seeing anything from Tubgirl or Goatse? T_TCan't say I have.


Anyway, hentai is just really another form of anime. And I think there obviously people here whomn won't admit for the life of them that they watch it. *not giving any names*
I know, it's like that in a lot of cases. I have a friend who is a moderatly well known artist on sheezy art. He tells everyone on Sheezy that he hates hentai with a passion, and then comes on MSN and asks me for hentai. I send him a gig, he's happy.
Why doesn't he admit it? He's afraid his reputation on Sheezyart will be ruined.


Maybe they are afraid of the odd looks and remarks people would ask. Because, that does happen out there in the world, when you are the only anime fan in your group of friends, or at least the only one that watches hentai. As I see it, If your friends can't accept you for who you are, to hell with them, they aren't your friends. Same as if you reject someone for something they like, your are no better.



Girl on girl, is one of the most awesome conceptions by mankind. And like it has been said before, don't wave your yaoi obsession in our faces, and then complain about how girl on girl is sick, and then go back to telling me us how hot Gravitation is. Yeah, I'd like to see Anime Network try and get away with playing a show like Gravitation about girls. You know what kind of uproar there would be? No matter how tame it was?
"But...But Gravitation isn't just yaoi, it's a compeling tail of love and J-Pop music ^_________________^"

I've seen these kinds of replies before. Guess what, it is.
And I havn't seen Revolutionary girl utena, but wasn't that a Yuri anime?
Also, I recall 2 of the sailor scouts were lovers in the Japanese version of sailor moon( I forget the name, but one has short blonde hair, and the other had long, wavy looking blue hair. The short haired one always dressed like a man)


teachers and students.... How is that gay? Can you logically and reasonably back that unbeleivably ignorant, biased, and insulting statement? Last time I checked, if its a male and female, regardless of the age, it isn't gay.
And I think that statement is wrong, and further more, inconsiderate towards our bisexual and homosexual memebers. I know for sure that my girlfriend would've ripped you a new one.Not to mention...I've seen some pretty hot teachers, and it's even hotter because you know you aren't allowed to have it, even if she offerd.


Children should not be in porn, or hentai for that matter, true enough. And you don't really see a lot of child pornography these days, thank goodness, but it is still out there. Children shouldn't be in born. I freaking hate loli's with a passion, along with furries. Don't get me wrong, sometimes those little chibi girls can be cute in anime (cute in the adorable sense, not the...JAILBAIT! sense) But when they start making sailor mini-moon hentai fear for the sanity of people who get off on it.


But something you have to remember is that the japanese have a thing for the whole school girl thing. Or at least it seems that way to me. Now, those "school girls" could be 18, they hardly ever say how old the girls are, and most people really don't even think about the age of a cartoon character unless it is important to the story.Actually, I saw a diagram a while ago. It compairs 2 girls. One of the girls is a loli, the other is not.
These are some things to take into consideration.
a loli has...
-Flat chest (some anime girls don't have breasts and aren't loli, take Rukia from bleach as an example)
-Small child like bodies
-Their limbs have NO joints, they kind of just...bend like rubber.
-No public hair (as in, hasn't grown any yet, not shaving it off)
-has a childish voice
-Bodies are 4 heads tall or less

If any of the traits above get you off, you might be a loli. (except the flat chest part, some woman just don't have boobs)


And there is in fact, hentai that is normal like normal porn. So generalizing hentai as "disturbing anime" and such is invalid.Like the Pizza Boy for example.

Oh, and as for incest (before I forget)
It's seems digusting here because of the culture we live in, but there are other cultures where it is still acceptable today.
Also, heres an very unlikely but possible scenario for you.

what if two people, a brother and a sister, are seperated at birth.
Now, they meet each other in 20 years and have NO idea who they are. They don't even know each other exist. Well, everyone goes on saying how that make such an "Uber kawaii couple ^___^". Now, they spend a few years with each other, fall in love, and decide to get married. Some states have mandotory blood tests before marrage, so they go...GREAT SCOTT THEY MATCH!!!!
Now, they find out that they are from the same womb...but because of the huge time gap they went through without knowing each other, and the fact they had no clue...they still love each other? Now, word gets out.
2 weeks before, they were an adorable couple, Now, they are monsters who are judged by the publics eye.
Would you be able to judge them? I don't think I could.

Unlikely does this scenario happen, but it can and has before.

Another example. Oedipus Rex, Anyone who has read it will know what i'm talking about. Guy kills his father and marries his mom, doesn't even know it. Even had KIDS with her (all somehow came out normal, which is kinda retarded)

[Midnight's Twilight]

Girl on girl, is one of the most awesome conceptions by mankind. And like it has been said before, don't wave your yaoi obsession in our faces, and then complain about how girl on girl is sick, and then go back to telling me us how hot Gravitation is. Yeah, I'd like to see Anime Network try and get away with playing a show like Gravitation about girls. You know what kind of uproar there would be? No matter how tame it was?

Children should not be in porn, or hentai for that matter, true enough. And you don't really see a lot of child pornography these days, thank goodness, but it is still out there. But something you have to remember is that the japanese have a thing for the whole school girl thing. Or at least it seems that way to me. Now, those "school girls" could be 18, they hardly ever say how old the girls are, and most people really don't even think about the age of a cartoon character unless it is important to the story.

And there is in fact, hentai that is normal like normal porn. So generalizing hentai as "disturbing anime" and such is invalid.
Thats so true!! Nobody says that yuri anime is accepted, even I dislike it. But looking at it the same way as yaoi, its basically no different, while some people don't see anything wrong with it.
Putting children in hentai is just really gross, I just can't put my finger on it why people do it.

[Rageling]

how is it cleaner? isnt it just like porn but in anime?
[/i]

i think hentai fits in japan's culture because there is no sex limit in japan, so thats y i think that thats the reason that the japanese r so perverted. BUT HAVING LIL GIRLS IN IT IS JUST WRONG!!!!!!!
There is a age of consent in Japan I mean I don't mind if you don't like hentai but you can't just make stuff up.

[-Batman-]

There is a age of consent in Japan I mean I don't mind if you don't like hentai but you can't just make stuff up.wasn't it something like 13-14 with a parent's permission or something.

[Skeith/Haseo Wave]

It's just like porn in anime version... and like what I THINK - most of the people has been watching some before, out of curiousity. But still, people should NOT insult people for watching hentai, since it's none of their business what people likes to watch and such.
I don't know about the culture in japan when it comes to hentai at least... there's every type of anime and hentai should exist as well I guess ^^;ugh,...~thinks back~ we had this discussion b4, haven't we?
Whoever was in it last time should know how this will turn out.......

[Kishiro]

I've never watched Loli, and I never want to, from the sounds of it. Thats just gross....


Keep in mind, she said it is against her religion to watch hentai. It is therefore safe to assume that she is religious to the point that she will not watch an adult cartoon. Religion negates all logic and replaces it with "ignorance, bias, and insulting statements". Fair and true enough my friend. But still, I have little tolerance for that, even when brought on by religion. Because that view doesn't only apply to pornography and hentai, it goes for people in real life too. And whom are we to say who can and cannot love each other? And yes, I know I am in no place to judge another's person religion or their beliefs either, and I'm not. I just don't approve of the bias beliefs can create.


La Blue Girl was just retarded. Yes, yes it was. That was the point I was getting at. Hope I didn't come off like a fan of it. The whole tentacle thing does nothing for me....
As for the octopus thing.... All I can say, is ick, and shudder.


Not to mention...I've seen some pretty hot teachers, and it's even hotter because you know you aren't allowed to have it, even if she offerd.
Ain't that the truth. In my last two years of highschool, I had teachers that there were closer to my age than my older brother, whom is only six years older than me. Teachers in their early twenties. And some of them were older than that, but they were still pretty good looking. Ha ha. Oh yes, they had some nice looking ladies up at my old high school.

Edit: I'd like to add that the japanese aren't really "perverted", and that using that term is inaccurate, in my opinion. Many say it is perverted because they live in The UK, The USA, or Canada. Where as in most other countries in the world, so many things that we find taboo by society, are not in there. Take countries like Germany, where ten year olds can stop by the bar and have a small beer on the way home, and then keep going. Where adult stores are located directly next to ice cream shops and toy stores in a strip mall, with what we would consider "explicit" items right in the window, uncensored, and uncovered.

The same lack of taboo occurs in japan. Vending machines for EVERYTHING on the street. From ciggarettes to used girls underwear. Its just that in our countries, we have been pushed to believe that such things are so inappropriate for everyone to see. And that they should all be kept private. I always say, things wouldn't be such a big deal if they weren't seen as so taboo by the media and the powers that be. Censorship has made people feel like things should be kept private, even though the majority of people all experience the same things.

[Regex]

Come on man there are much better things to do in the real world then fantasize on these.So very true. So how can you say that about the little girl hentai, and not accept a similar argument about the whole idea?


And there is in fact, hentai that is normal like normal porn. So generalizing hentai as "disturbing anime" and such is invalid."Disturbing" is an opinion, and is absolutely valid in a discussion, as long as it's presented as such. In this case, I say that it was presented properly.


Religion negates all logic and replaces it with "ignorance, bias, and insulting statements".That was incredibly flamatory. Do not insult someone for having different religious beliefs than you. Especially when you bring your own moral beliefs into the discussion immediately after. There's nothing wrong with using your religious beliefs in a discussion, provided that you can accept that not everyone will share your beliefs. It's not a debate where we're trying to convince you not to watch pornographic anime. It's a discussion on the issue in general.


nd I havn't seen Revolutionary girl utena, but wasn't that a Yuri anime?
Also, I recall 2 of the sailor scouts were lovers in the Japanese version of sailor moon( I forget the name, but one has short blonde hair, and the other had long, wavy looking blue hair. The short haired one always dressed like a man)There are homosexual situations, but very little that can be considered pornographic. There is some that is arguable, but that's not the main focus to the show at all.

[Rageling]

wasn't it something like 13-14 with a parent's permission or something.
Thirteen I think. I think anything depicting someone under thirteen is counted as child pornography and punishable by law. I'm not sure how that applies to hentai but Japan is actually unusually strict in a lot of regards such as not being able to show any genitalia without a censor, but then not so strict in other ways. I don't understand most Japanes laws but then again I don't get most American ones either.

[-Batman-]

There are homosexual situations, but very little that can be considered pornographic. There is some that is arguable, but that's not the main focus to the show at all.Go read my post over again. I wasn't talking about the pornographic content. Someone made a comment on how yaoi anime such as gravitation is acceptable, but if it were women it would not be excepted. I was just giving examples of anime that are Yuri/have Yuri. Yuri doesn't have mean girl on girl sex, it can just mean a relationship between two women.

[Gjallarhorn]

Yuri doesn't have mean girl on girl sex, it can just mean a relationship between two women.
That would be classified as shoujo-ai. Yuri has hentai content, shoujo-ai is more romance-based.

[Zantetsuken]

I just have to say this. If a women has "mean" sex with someone, it can't be a relationship? BTW, "mean girl on girl sex" is the funniest thing I've read so far.

[Darth Tyranus]

Can I point out girl on girl action is sick

Nice of you to point that out
I forgot to mention boys on boys by the way but don't get me wrong here... I'm for consenting adults having sex meaning whether it be hetorosexual, bisexual and even homosexual. I have no problem with them doing it. It's basically their choice and who are we to say otherwise.
Hypocrite much?

[_CTA_]

My mom said that because sex laws in Japan are so high, that they can't do real porn. So they show it in there cartoons.
i have ur comment and agree with u

[Regex]

Go read my post over again. I wasn't talking about the pornographic content. Someone made a comment on how yaoi anime such as gravitation is acceptable, but if it were women it would not be excepted. I was just giving examples of anime that are Yuri/have Yuri. Yuri doesn't have mean girl on girl sex, it can just mean a relationship between two women.Yeah... Yuri in fact does mean girl on girl sex. Just like Yaoi does mean boy on boy sex. Without the sex, it's not pornographic, and not hentai.

[Janethan23]

Hypocrite much?What are you trying to pull here?
To think that you've been here longer than I have (level 97) and you still use pitiful ways to get your message across. Misquoting me then insinuating things that are baseless is so uncool and low girl. That's the trouble with kiddy posters, always going for a couple of words then taking it out of context and they think they have something valid. Here's a word of advice: Read it again, only this time read it entirely so that you could get to what I was really trying to say. It's all about children in hentai if you still don't get it.

"If this has something to do with your robotech garbage then grow up and deal with it. I've moved on and so should you."

[Capo]

In my opinion Hentai is stupid. But then, I find stupid stuff funny. Now, it depends on who you are and what you are into so I can not judge those who watch it. I guess to some it is the same as regular porn. My friend and I sat through a Hentai DVD once, we couldn't stop laughing. Half of the stuff couldn't be farther from the truth. But, it's not as if it is some disgusting monster that makes anyone who watches it a pervert. I guess some people find it gross, I think that if they like it then it is their personal buissness and we should not judge.

[Regex]

What are you trying to pull here?
To think that you've been here longer than I have (level 97) and you still use pitiful ways to get your message across. Misquoting me then insinuating things that are baseless is so uncool and low girl. That's the trouble with kiddy posters, always going for a couple of words then taking it out of context and they think they have something valid. Here's a word of advice: Read it again, only this time read it entirely so that you could get to what I was really trying to say. It's all about children in hentai if you still don't get it.

"If this has something to do with your robotech garbage then grow up and deal with it. I've moved on and so should you."This is an obvious troll. The post you quoted is pointing out discrepancies in your own arguments. The discrepancies exist. Accept it, retract the statement(s) that don't apply anymore, or accept that you won't be taken seriously at all.

And do NOT troll here. It will only cause problems for you.

[Masali]

What are you trying to pull here?
To think that you've been here longer than I have (level 97) and you still use pitiful ways to get your message across. Misquoting me then insinuating things that are baseless is so uncool and low girl. That's the trouble with kiddy posters, always going for a couple of words then taking it out of context and they think they have something valid. Here's a word of advice: Read it again, only this time read it entirely so that you could get to what I was really trying to say. It's all about children in hentai if you still don't get it.

"If this has something to do with your robotech garbage then grow up and deal with it. I've moved on and so should you."I guess the process of reading your own posts to find the blindingly obvious contradictions and hypocrasy is now out of style.


In my opinion Hentai is stupid. But then, I find stupid stuff funny. Now, it depends on who you are and what you are into so I can not judge those who watch it. I guess to some it is the same as regular porn. My friend and I sat through a Hentai DVD once, we couldn't stop laughing. Half of the stuff couldn't be farther from the truth. But, it's not as if it is some disgusting monster that makes anyone who watches it a pervert. I guess some people find it gross, I think that if they like it then it is their personal buissness and we should not judge.
Once again, Back to my original comparison "It's like taking your opinion of rock and roll from Greenday. Is it mainstream? Yeah. Is it good? Hell. No." The hentai you can rent in a video store is the hentai that Japanese people laugh at. It's the kind of stuff that American hentai fans are forced to sit through because the good stuff is either:
A. very hard to come by
B. Impossible to come by
C. In japanese.

And yeah, watching videostore hentai is great for a laugh, I've done it myself. But it's surely not what you should base your opinion of it off of.

Case and point, this game (no explicit content):
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/959/24530hkglover2027nm.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24530hkglover2027nm.jpg)
Im extremely interested in this games art style and it's story. "*gasp* Story!? in hentai!? Perish the thought!" This is why you shouldn't be posting here, you obviously know nothing about hentai. Hentai from websites or filesharing is the crap that Japan rejects. The stuff from the 80's that's obsolete now. H-Games straight from Japan, available on torrents (for the most part, if you know what game to buy) are very story heavy. I've already given examples.


The Word "I've" makes me think of another hentai plus. Kickbutt music! I've is the leading musical directors in Japan for H-Games. If there's an H-Game worth getting, I've probably does the music for it.

Another thing about hentai is that, despite what you may think about H-games, they are all executed differently. Some follow the same trend, but some are extremly interesting and diverse in their execution. Case and Point, Brave soul (thumbnail below). Brave soul is much like Zelda and FF (without the lame story) in it's gameplay. You have a party (all females) and you go around and slash the hell out of skeletons and the like. This game. But you must lead them well for them to fall in love with you. And once that happens then it becomes an H-game again...

I know way too much about this stuff...



http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/2936/threebs4rs.th.jpg (http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/24530_HKGlover202.jpg)

[-Batman-]

You have a party (all females)
What, so the cute little dragon doesn't count? He has better stats than all of the girls.

[Janethan23]

Post removed due to language

Yeah right...http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/sleep.gif

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I forget who said it, but I've seen live-action tenticles. Evil Dead 1 has evil, evil trees.

[-Batman-]

...I remember that movie. Yes...evil tree's >_>

[jing fi is back]

Hentai is not bad it is kinda cool i ran into it a cupple of time and it was cool anf funny.

[[Boolean]]

So far to my knowledge I've never had any desire to look into hentai. Sure, it's in a few issues of Newtype (barely could be called hentai), but those pages I rip out and throw away (or recycle, I am a tree hugger after all).

[lorie]

yeh i know how u feel chimes... but i accidentally came across hentai. i shouldnt have cus its not allowed (in mi religion) but it was... fascinating. im underage though and i kept that in mind so i left the website. now i rely dont like it. im kinda glad. dont know why. oh and i never knew yaoi/yuri meant porn between them i thought it was equivalent to shounen-ai and shoujo-ai

[Darth Tyranus]

What are you trying to pull here?
To think that you've been here longer than I have (level 97) and you still use pitiful ways to get your message across. Misquoting me then insinuating things that are baseless is so uncool and low girl. That's the trouble with kiddy posters, always going for a couple of words then taking it out of context and they think they have something valid. Here's a word of advice: Read it again, only this time read it entirely so that you could get to what I was really trying to say. It's all about children in hentai if you still don't get it.

"If this has something to do with your robotech garbage then grow up and deal with it. I've moved on and so should you."I read your posts and you flip flow so much it's comical, as soon as some one disagreed with you you changed your tune. And you didn't add that stuff about children until after you said yuri was sick.

And I fail to see what be being a member longer than you, or my robotech fandom has to do with anything here.

And Masali I can't agree with you on those points of H-games. Although it's true many DO have a story most of the time they are pretty pointless or melodramatic. And the art really runs together, and most of the music is just droning. Maybe you played the gold at the end of the rainbow, but from what i've seen/played it's mostly crap.

[[Boolean]]

Someone bad repped me for that previous post. For their info, I do not have a hatred of it, it's just not what I care to see. If you like it, that's fine, I won't sue you for it. The reason why I rip out pages is because if my parents came across it, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to watch/read anime ever again, and that would make me sad...very, VERY, sad.

[The Archangel]

Someone bad repped me for that previous post. For their info, I do not have a hatred of it, it's just not what I care to see. If you like it, that's fine, I won't sue you for it. The reason why I rip out pages is because if my parents came across it, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to watch/read anime ever again, and that would make me sad...very, VERY, sad.
well than that's what you should have said in the first place. U made henati fans sound like pervs in that last post.

[urrik]

Like anime, hentai an be very graphic, and quite realistic. So, getting turned on by it is not at all shameful in my opnion. It just depends on your preferences. I myself don't find anything good about furries or tentacles, but I think some hentai is acceptable. I have numerous pics, read some, watched one. But all that doesn't make me a perv, now does it? I don't go around hitting on every girl (in real life), nor do I try to cop feels or make sexual inuendos. I am not a perv, I'm simply human, and I have hormones too.i agree with u

[Storm Strife]

well than that's what you should have said in the first place. U made henati fans sound like pervs in that last post.
No Chimes didn't. She (sorry if I got that wrong, but I have no idea what your sex is) said that she rips pages out of a magazine that look to contain hentai, and that she hasn't had a desire to look into hentai. I can think of better ways to make people who watch hentai sound like pervs.

In any case....I look at hentai from time to time, but I don't have a collection on my PC. Only thing I have is Plat Du Jour. I personaly don't think of it any worse than normal porn....in cases....I mean, gore hentai....jesus christ.

[Starcrest]

I myself have seen/looked at Hentai, not a whole bunches of it, but enough to peak my interest. I for one find it ok, and like many others have said, it's no different then regular porn. It's just drawn and colored, instead of actual people in it. And even if you don't like hentai, anime has come very close to it, or video games also for that matter, if you know how to interprit (sp?) it correctly. Hell in Fire Emblem Sacred Stones, there's hinting at twinsest. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just saying that the hint is there. In Sailor moon, Sailor Uranus is, as my female friend said, the impitomy of a lesbian, and i was like ok sure. Bleach, Inoue's and 10th squad Lt's breasts' are out of perportion for a normal person (define normal?). R.O.D, they're breasts jiggle when they run, me n my friend got a kick out of that. D.O.A games, same thing, soft-core drawings, many of which are in a few people's sigs, are ways around it, and yet they're just pictures, not hentai, so they're not perverted right? if you classify someone who watches hentai under someone who only looks at soft-core porn, then you're outta wack. Is hentai wrong? depends on who you ask. is soft-core porn wrong? again, depends on who you ask, but if they say it's ok, then ask them what's different from a half naked girl/guy in a swimsuit or sexual pose, and a totally naked girl in a sexual pose? if you have enough imagination, you don't need it, therefore making it just as bad if you think it's fine

[PleilA]

bull "crap" everyone on these type of threads always say " i dont care , its their choice, im fine with it" again bull crap , people trying to hard to be mature or crap like that, its not fine, it is perverted looking at this stuff, and im not afraid to say it, and this kind of stuff is what often turns kids queer ins ome way or messed up, they often say anime can do that , if i had kids i wouldnt even allow them to watch stuff liek that, so much bad parenting these days , and i am not afraid to say it, i am not afraid to say anything

[Starcrest]

and that's your choice, but you shouldn't, come in saying bull crap to OUR opinions. maybe they actually don't care about it? and if you watched porn (not saying you do), it wouldn't be any different then any of us watching hentai, the BIG difference, usually, is that hentai is drawn and colored. yes, some hentai is gross, rape, children, tenticles (seen ONE tenticle...'eh don't love it, don't hate, long story) etc. but then again so is some regular porn. it's all based on a person's p.o.v on the subject, your's is noted as not liking it, and assuming we're just trying to act mature on the subject

[Kishiro]

Well, its obvious that homophobia and intolerance still run rampant in the world.

Thanks to so many that have posted on this thread for showing your true colors, and your fear for all things you don't like or understand. Really, these forums wouldn't be half as fun if we didn't have close minded people to rip on. Your presence is greatly appreciated.

<3

[Rageling]

bull "crap" everyone on these type of threads always say " i dont care , its their choice, im fine with it" again bull crap , people trying to hard to be mature or crap like that, its not fine, it is perverted looking at this stuff, and im not afraid to say it, and this kind of stuff is what often turns kids queer ins ome way or messed up, they often say anime can do that , if i had kids i wouldnt even allow them to watch stuff liek that, so much bad parenting these days , and i am not afraid to say it, i am not afraid to say anything
Ever think maybe we're not afraid to say what we really think or that we actually are mature and look at it from a mature point of view. The idea that your opinion is any better than our's is really laughable, the fact that you actually denounce us for believing differently really doesn't help your argument either. The fact is whether you like hentai or not it really is up to them, so the idea that it's there choice isn't so much an opinion as undenyable fact.

[PleilA]

again everyone saying the exact same thing, yawns, so many kids these days are exactly the same on every subject , and by the way ALL PORN IS PERVERTED and little 13 and 14 year olds watching it just makes it even worse

[Kishiro]

again everyone saying the exact same thing, yawns, so many kids these days are exactly the same on every subject , and by the way ALL PORN IS PERVERTED and little 13 and 14 year olds watching it just makes it even worseWhy's that? I mean, they are going through puberty anyway. And soon enough, they'll be going through Sex Education in middle school. Yeah, the laws say 18-21 at least, but let's be honest here, any kid with a computer and 30 minutes alone without being monitored, and the internet can wander on to an adult website.

Besides, aren't you the one going around calling people "queers"?
Two things about that.

1. What, is it 1993? Who says that anymore? Honestly.
2. Don't say it to begin with. It is still discriminatory. And if you say it, I won't sit quietly by and say nothing.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

again everyone saying the exact same thing, yawns, so many kids these days are exactly the same on every subject , and by the way ALL PORN IS PERVERTED and little 13 and 14 year olds watching it just makes it even worseDefining something as irrefutably perverted assumes a universal system of ethics. If you can prove such a thing exists, then show us. Otherwise keep your circular argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question) to yourself.

[Kishiro]

Circle gets the square!

[chaoticangel]

Uh...Yeah same here, just saying its ok if some people watch it, if they watch it? they watch it. simple enough....For me, I've seen one, but I can't remember the name of it and didn't care for it that much but yeah, I kinda think it as a japan thing and I dont think anyone who would watch Hentai-as a "perv?" its just another type of anime?...thats only what I think. -Late'

[Rageling]

again everyone saying the exact same thing, yawns, so many kids these days are exactly the same on every subject , and by the way ALL PORN IS PERVERTED and little 13 and 14 year olds watching it just makes it even worse
So because we are younger makes it worse. Yeah I know it is technically illegal for me to do it but as it was stated before I accidentally wondered onto my first porn site when I was 11, admittedly it fascinated me more back then than it does now but it wasn't so much because I was a few years younger it was because I had just discovered it. Also you are like what, 23, you're not that old and not nearly old enough to go on a seniority based power trip. Just because I am younger doesn't make my opinion any less valid or correct or even incorrect it just means, well pretty much nothing. Kids these days you really don't get rights to that until you're atleast in your mid-thirties.

Hentai is the same for anyone who is "mature", not old but mature, enough to view it. Even when I was eleven and simply overfascinated with porn I was mature enough not to let it influence other behaviors in my life. Now I do enjoy it, illegally as the case may be, and it serves nothing but an occasional laugh and stress relief. Some of it is, as was stated earlier, quite funny just because it is so unrealistic when shown in comparison to the original show or manga it was based on.

[Regex]

So because we are younger makes it worse. Yeah I know it is technically illegal for me to do it but as it was stated before I accidentally wondered onto my first porn site when I was 11, admittedly it fascinated me more back then than it does now but it wasn't so much because I was a few years younger it was because I had just discovered it. Also you are like what, 23, you're not that old and not nearly old enough to go on a seniority based power trip. Just because I am younger doesn't make my opinion any less valid or correct or even incorrect it just means, well pretty much nothing. Kids these days you really don't get rights to that until you're atleast in your mid-thirties.Actually, because you are younger, it does make it worse. Pornography of any kind is not for kids, plain and simple. And while we can't put a definite age on "maturity", the government has gotten as close as they can by saying 18.

A young child should not be viewing pornography. Simple as that.

There's no denying, pornography is a perversion. Plain and simple. Whether or not th bothers you morally, that's up to you.

[Dmeth]

Regaurdless of wether or not it's right it's going to happen so why even complain about it. Everyone who opposes your view will not be convinced with your arguement just like you wont be convinced of thiers so its pointless. The only people who's views you can partially manipulate is your offspring..

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Actually, because you are younger, it does make it worse. Pornography of any kind is not for kids, plain and simple. And while we can't put a definite age on "maturity", the government has gotten as close as they can by saying 18.

A young child should not be viewing pornography. Simple as that.

There's no denying, pornography is a perversion. Plain and simple. Whether or not th bothers you morally, that's up to you.
Perversion refers to something being immoral. In order for immorality to exist, you need to define its opposite: morality. To me, procreation is not an immoral act, even if it is drawn by an artist and sold to make a profit. What is immoral about procreation? Procreation is a natural drive. Pornography is nothing but a recording of some sexual activity as it happens. Likewise, mild forms of capitalism aren't to me to be considered immoral, so the combination of the two doesn't bug me in the least. In fact, I conceder real pornography more distasteful then Hentai because of its reliance on female actors who more often then not are sexual-abuse victims.



(Yes, I do conceder certain genres of porn immoral, like Loli/shota, bestiality, rape, smut, etcetera. Others like watersports, bukake, gay, etcetera I just find gross. But these are personal evaluations based on my morality and taste.)

[Regex]

Actually, a perversion is just a misuse. Doesn't have to involve morality. Sex, at its most basic level, is for procreation, and depending on your beliefs of the origin of man, has since been used as an emotional attachment.

Pornography is neither of these.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

(You used a different definition then the one I was going by, then.)
Hardly. Pornography is a release for sexual energy, not a perversion of the drive.

Case in point: you all-but-never see someone skip a date with a real person to stay home and watch La Blue Girl again. Why stay home for the fake when you have a chance at the real thing? The sort of people who would stay home are people who have perverted their sex drives, I don't deny. But they are few and far between. Making a blanket statement like "pornography is perverted" is like saying "Nintendo games are lame."

You may not like the purpose or ascetics of porn, but the number of people who'd choose it over the real thing are low enough that it doesn't qualify as a perversion in general.

[Regex]

(You used a different definition then the one I was going by, then.)
Hardly. Pornography is a release for sexual energy, not a perversion of the drive.

Case in point: you all-but-never see someone skip a date with a real person to stay home and watch La Blue Girl again. Why stay home for the fake when you have a chance at the real thing? The sort of people who would stay home are people who have perverted their sex drives, I don't deny. But they are few and far between. Making a blanket statement like "pornography is perverted" is like saying "Nintendo games are lame."

You may not like the purpose or ascetics of porn, but the number of people who'd choose it over the real thing are low enough that it doesn't qualify as a perversion in general.That sexual energy is from the drive to procreate. That is what it is. The depiction of sexual situations, for the purpose of arousal, is a perversion of what sex is for. It's not about how it's used. It's about what's being done.

[Rageling]

Most people don't have someone waiting around for them all the time to just drop there pants and have a good time whenever they want. Sometimes it is necessarie, or atleast both psychologically and physically healthy to release sexual tension through masturbation. Aids in this process really aren't something to be ashamed of.

Also America in general and it's views on maturity are messed up. A ten year old can walk into an adult store and depending on the stores policy legally buy a bondage toy but god forbid they be allowed to rent a porno from there local video store. Most of the PG 14 anime I've watched had images far more disturbing than what's in your average, and I put emphasis on the word average, hentai. People have gotten this weird view on sexuality that in general is just plain illogical.

[Cowboy Bebop]

See i think its only good when its got a story to it there are some that dont have storys and there stupid the whole thing is that some girls find it to be erodic like my friend at home she watchs it all the time i think she might have a problem

[PleilA]

Uh...Yeah same here, just saying its ok if some people watch it, if they watch it? they watch it. simple enough....For me, I've seen one, but I can't remember the name of it and didn't care for it that much but yeah, I kinda think it as a japan thing and I dont think anyone who would watch Hentai-as a "perv?" its just another type of anime?...thats only what I think. -Late' see this is what i mean by "exactly the same" always "trying" to make something seem ok by saying something werid, and i mean its more sick because kids are getting horny off of "A CARTOON" ITS A CARTOON !, THATS JUST WERID! eww gross

[typhonblue]

0_o

Er... wow. If I had to guess from Ragelings' posts I'd have to say Rageling must be twice PleilA's age. Please, people! Give some mind to the English language and stop RAPING it.

Personally I don't believe minors need to be protected from sex. My parents were open with me (to the point of buying illustrated children's books on sexuality) and I didn't turn out to be a nympho in highschool/college. (Far from it, actually, one sex partner, one marriage, you do the math.) In fact many times it was christian girls/boys *rebelling* against their conservative upbringings who ended up schtupping everything that had a pulse. Me? By the time I was legal... sex wasn't anything forbidden or new(in concept) so I had no desire to do it outside of a relationship with someone I really cared about.

BTW, if a man likes hentai(and/or porn) does that men it's hypocritical for him to find yaoi(and/or gay porn) "gross" or "disgusting"?

You learn something new every day.

[PleilA]

ok regular porn ,yah, but CARTOONS?! people write to anime magazines all the time to show nude anime women, they always respond , SORRY CANT DO THAT , ITS WRONG AND ITS JUST WERID , one magazine eitor actually wrote that back in the mag, im not the only one whos thinks its werid, also in anime insider theres a letter like that in the april eidition where the eidter wrote a response like that, check it out sometime

[Starcrest]

for some people cartoons are a way to live out a fantasy. is it strange? to you, to them it seems normal. Some people get off on it, just like some people get of tenticales and bondage and S&M. To them it's not wrong, and it's as natural as normal sex, TO THEM. I view them as strange, but people who look at hentai, it's what they prefer, so to them it's not strange, I for one don't mind it. it's a point of view, to you it's gross or odd or what ever, to them it's fine. you're point of view as it being strange is noted

[Rageling]

ok regular porn ,yah, but CARTOONS?! people write to anime magazines all the time to show nude anime women, they always respond , SORRY CANT DO THAT , ITS WRONG AND ITS JUST WERID , one magazine eitor actually wrote that back in the mag, im not the only one whos thinks its werid, also in anime insider theres a letter like that in the april eidition where the eidter wrote a response like that, check it out sometime Like I said if the cartoons are reaslistically drawn and made to look attractive why shouldn't someone be attracted to it. Are you trying to say it's better to watch people actually degrade themselves for money? Why wouldn't it be better to enjoy an actualy fantasy?

The term weird is all a point of view I really don't get what is so bad about being weird, a certain amount of conformity is necessary to survive but doing it unnecessarily is just ridiculous. If you don't like hentai because it just doesn't attract you fine but that doesn't mean it's bad. Oh and maybe some of us actually don't care what magazines say about hentai especially since they practically have to so that people who actually put value on this sort of thing wouldn't read them if they put up an open and positive view on something that is completely natural, I mean sexuality not hentai, whether or not you like them you have to understand that there priority is to make a profit don't delude yourself into thinking that they would write anything that they thought would hurt that.

Oh and if they are really ticked off maybe it's not so much because they hate hentai as it is people are requesting to use a magazine that is supposed to be a respectible information provider to get off on. There are times when hentai is inapropriate and that definately would be one of them.

[PleilA]

again! , people trying to make it sound right cause they want it to be right, probaly cause they look at hentai and dont want to believe or admit its werid or wrong!

[Starcrest]

again, to you it seems wierd to them it probably seems fine. to you it's wrong, to them it's just as normal as regular porn. saying it's wrong is your point of view, to people who watch it, myself included, dont' think it's wrong, the only difference is it's cartoons, and if that's what gets people off then sure. it's drawn to be viewed, not just be like 'hey, i can draw cartoons naked' that'd just be stupid IMO. just like regular porn is made to be viewed, so since you're saying hentai is 'wrong and weird', then you're saying the same thing about normal porn too?

[PleilA]

kids these days, brainwashed that nothen is wrong with anything

[Rageling]

You really don't have any arguing point other than seniority do you? Some things are wrong, murder is wrong, rape is wrong, stealing is wrong, arsen is wrong, but hentai is not wrong. Again there are exceptions if hentai contains something that's wrong then yes it is wrong but otherwise no it is not wrong.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

kids these days, brainwashed that nothen is wrong with anythingYou really can't play the Age card if you misspell "nothing" in the same sentence, all while omitting punctuation and capitalization. It's like Debate 101.

[Kishiro]

But MP2k, the internet transcends all logic. You know that buddy.

Dag, yo.

[Gjallarhorn]

again! , people trying to make it sound right cause they want it to be right, probaly cause they look at hentai and dont want to believe or admit its werid or wrong! Any who are you to decide what is wierd, or wrong? People have their opinions, and to some people, hentai is okay, and to others it is wrong. This world is full of people with different views, so don't make yours seem like the high and mighty truth unless you have definite proof to back up your views.


kids these days, brainwashed that nothen is wrong with anything Brainwashed by whom?
Of course there are things wrong. There always have been and always will be. But, as society has progressed, so has what we have judged to be moral and immoral.

Back on the topic of hentai, I would like to know if there are any Masamune Shirow fans here. He is the creator of such manga as Ghost in the Shell, and publishes yearly callenders, as well as art books. His works are great, and, dispite often oversized feet, draws the human body magnificently, even if it is a manga style. The proportions and positions are almost exact to those of actual people.

[night_inuyasha]

I watch hentai, A lot. And i guarantee half the members on this forum watch it, and deny it.
You can't go on an anime forum of this size and not have hentai fans, it's not possible.

Oh, and for the megatokyo fans. Fred Gallagher is a hypocrite. Why? He goes on saying how hentai is an insult too anime, yet back in 97 he drew a 70 page LOLI-CON doujin. Loli, and furries, are the 2 forms of hentai I can't STAND.

Really, I see nothing wrong with hentai. It's not that big of a deal, really. I go on hentai forums, and trust me...Not all hentai fans are bad people, a lot of them are...guess what...NICE (And most hentai forums have a nice population of female members, so it's not just a guy thing)

On a last note. To the woman who say it's disgusting...If you EVER watch yaoi, you are a hypocrite.

Those are my views, as I see it, no one should care.

If you don't like it, thats fine too. I can respect that, but it's annoying when people
-Deny they like it when they really do
-Insult others when they watch it.


Edit: To the ABOVE poster. Why do you assume that people who watch hentai JUST look at perverted pictures for the rest of their lives as thats what you are saying.i would have to agree to every thing you said i wach hentai and i am 14 i dont think there is any thing wrong with hentai
my girl freind waches it to and she dosent think any thing is wrong with it if any thing if you think things are wrong about it then y are you on this site if you like anime the is a cance that half of the pepole on this site like hentai
i even draw it and my mom dosent thing it is stupit or wrong she thinks it is just a hobie
and the pepole from japan are the best to come up with hentai and anime
pepole migh think it is wrong if it is yaoi,yuri,neko,and othere things so if you dont like hentai then that means you dont like anime
so i think you are tottaly right

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

i would have to agree to every thing you said i wach hentai and i am 14 i dont think there is any thing wrong with hentai
my girl freind waches it to and she dosent think any thing is wrong with it if any thing if you think things are wrong about it then y are you on this site if you like anime the is a cance that half of the pepole on this site like hentai
i even draw it and my mom dosent thing it is stupit or wrong she thinks it is just a hobie
and the pepole from japan are the best to come up with hentai and anime
pepole migh think it is wrong if it is yaoi,yuri,neko,and othere things so if you dont like hentai then that means you dont like anime
so i think you are tottaly right
Question: Why the heck are you showing your mom your Hentai-drawings??? Her being OK with it is not the least bit appropriate on her part. My mom is pretty OK with the whole porn thing (just confiscates what she stumbles over) but I would never show her any of the Hentai pics I drew back when I was 14ish. Why would you?

Not to mention the "Not Liking Hentai" = "Not Liking Anime" thing is a bit too far.

[PleilA]

how the crap is hentai not wrong, any kind of porn , cartoon , is wrong, God does not think it is right and he is the almighty ruler and out rules you all! some one said , im not the one who decides whats right or wrong, but guess what God does and whether u beleve he exists or not ! he out rules u just for being known for his power alone! and all u teens may think porn and hentai is not wrong , but even people my age who use to watch stuff like that now agree it is wrong cause they have matured! when u reach my age u will see my point and no one here under my age can argue that untill they reach my age! and anyone who is my age and still doesnt see its wrong has oviously not matured atleast not entirely! and argue all u want , i will always have a answer right back at you waiting, and remember young ones people older than u are usually wiser the older they are, i have already lived my teens years , thats why they say senior citzens are the wiseist! they have been through much much more than the younger of us

[Gjallarhorn]

Just because your religious beliefs dictates to you that hentai is wrong, it is not the same for all of us, as there are more than one religion i this world, including the abscense of one. Also, your only answer is "God says it is wrong", followed by non-factual, opinion-based evidence.
I appologize if that sounds rude, but I couldn't think of a euphemistic way to express what I was thinking.

Okay, back on topic, has anyone played the Fate/Stay Night Hgame? I have the CG, but getting a copy of the game has been difficult. I don't really want any specifics, as it may be inappropriate for this site, but I would like to know whether it was good or bad. If by chance I come across it, I am considering buying it.

[PleilA]

did u read my whole post "whether or not u belive in God...

[Kishiro]

did u read my whole post "whether or not u belive in God...Did you read the posts that say...

"Your beliefs don't apply to everyone."

Just like ours obviously don't apply to you?

[akiko_kalla]

how the crap is hentai not wrong, any kind of porn , cartoon , is wrong, God does not think it is right and he is the almighty ruler and out rules you all! some one said , im not the one who decides whats right or wrong, but guess what God does and whether u beleve he exists or not ! he out rules u just for being known for his power alone! and all u teens may think porn and hentai is not wrong , but even people my age who use to watch stuff like that now agree it is wrong cause they have matured! when u reach my age u will see my point and no one here under my age can argue that untill they reach my age! and anyone who is my age and still doesnt see its wrong has oviously not matured atleast not entirely! and argue all u want , i will always have a answer right back at you waiting, and remember young ones people older than u are usually wiser the older they are, i have already lived my teens years , thats why they say senior citzens are the wiseist! they have been through much much more than the younger of us

Unless you are a senior citizen this doesn't really apply to you either. A mature person does not go around preaching and forcing their beliefs on others. Then again, maturity and age do not necessarily have a positive coorelation. You are free to your OPINIONS and PERSONAL BELIEFS, but kindly do not force them on others. It is not only rude, it is immature and useless. The only reason to do so is 1. to try to make yourself feel more secure or 2. to just get a reaction to gain attention. Anyone truly interested in changing the minds of others will state their opinion in a logical manner that is easily read and understood by the speakers of that language. One of the things you learn with age is that there are many truths in this world and the wisest of mankind know that always having an answer usually leads you the furthest from the truth.

As for the actual topic, I don't really care one way or the other. It's not my thing really, but espeically with how realistic some drawings/animation can be I understand why some do like it.

[Rageling]

how the crap is hentai not wrong, any kind of porn , cartoon , is wrong, God does not think it is right and he is the almighty ruler and out rules you all! some one said , im not the one who decides whats right or wrong, but guess what God does and whether u beleve he exists or not ! he out rules u just for being known for his power alone! and all u teens may think porn and hentai is not wrong , but even people my age who use to watch stuff like that now agree it is wrong cause they have matured! when u reach my age u will see my point and no one here under my age can argue that untill they reach my age! and anyone who is my age and still doesnt see its wrong has oviously not matured atleast not entirely! and argue all u want , i will always have a answer right back at you waiting, and remember young ones people older than u are usually wiser the older they are, i have already lived my teens years , thats why they say senior citzens are the wiseist! they have been through much much more than the younger of us
Again you are not that much older than everyone else!! Plus people who are your age and older are agreeing with everyone else because they see that you are wrong! Oh and you haven't had an answer since your first post you've just said the same thing over and over again. Oh and if people don't believe in god how does that mean that what he says matters to him, god only matters in the minds of those who believe in him. How do you know you aren't the imature one? If you were imature you wouldn't realise it because you would be too imature to realise. The fact that you are so dead-set not to listen to anyone's opinion other than yourself doesn't exactly work in your favor either. Oh and you just said that all cartoons are wrong.

Even with your logic hentai still wouldn't be entirely wrong. If you view it for comedic purposes than it's not really even fornication. I mean do you insert any logic into what you say or do you just pick an opinion and decide to argue blindly in it's favor. I actually don't mind your opinion on hentai but this superiority thing you've got in your head prevents me from letting it die. If you want to argue and have someone take you seriously how about you use logic instead of this repetitive pseudo-coherent dribble you keep gushing out at us.

[Kishiro]

Ok, this is turning into nothing but random flaming, and a battle of the ages.

Plus, PleilA's posts are starting to cause me to have syphillis of the brain. And I feel like I'm regressing every time I read one of his posts.

So, let's take this in another direction besides "Hentai is wrong!" VS "Hentai is perfectly acceptable!"

Any direction. Please. For the love of pants. Or just, have mercy, and close the darn thing.

[Regex]

Works for me!