Sephiroth Vs. Ganondorf

[Shizzy]

Sephiroth Vs. Ganondorf. Who will win?

[super trunks]

sephiroth hands down

[KidCash]

Aww hand but i would have to pick... Sephiroth but its a good match up

STRAIGHT FROM KIDCASH

[Dark-Sasuke]

Sephiroth, easily

[Broly2]

sephiroth totally, i like ganondorf but sephiroth wud paste him

[VGMasterShadow]

This would depend on if you're using Ganondorf's SSBM Stats, either way, Sephiroth would mop the floor and wipe the walls with Ganondorf. Oh, and rake the backyard too.

[Amix]

Sephiroth Vs. Ganondorf. Who will win? That's like asking somebody who would win between somebody with a gun vs. somebody using a rock..Sephiroth would pwn ganondorf.

[Arisu Reiji]

For the sake of answering the question, it would have to be Sephiroth, no doubt. But I feel bad for Ganondorf being pitted against such a strong opponent. I mean, even if Ganondorf had the Tri-Force, you have Sephiroth, and he like has all these mastered materia, one long sword [Masamune, no less], and then of course, Meteor. Talk about a mis-match, but hey, question asked, question answered.

Sephiroth. :awe:

[Josh15]

That's like asking somebody who would win between somebody with a gun vs. somebody using a rock..Sephiroth would pwn ganondorf. i agree

[Amix]

i agree Yup..xD and Sephiroth is kewler..And he's stronger as well.

[Josh15]

thats a no brainerXD

[pyrothunder336]

Sephiroth is better than Ganondorf in everyway.

[The Blades of Blood]

stephiroth would win

[animeglobe]

stephiroth

[Mayonnaise]

Yep... Sephiroth would pwn Ganondorf anyday.

[chaoscntrl77]

Sephiroth...nothing else to say.

[lionheartghost]

Sephiroth and the Masamune.

[Shizzy]

Nobody said Ganon...not surprising...
The reason I put the two together was because in another thread the question was who is the best game villain and it was between Sephiroth and Ganondorf so I kinda started this thread just to see...

I would chose Sephiroth anywayz

[MistaCloudStrife]

It all depends on which forum you choose to post this thread in... I bet you if you posted this same thread in a Zelda forum... "Ganon-whats his face" would most likely win... =P

And over here... obviously crouded with FF fans will choose Sephiroth... Half of them not even knowing who Ganondorf is... (I'm one of those people... I never played Ocorina of Time... So i woulnd't know... )

[Envy><]

I would have to say Sephiroth....

[Mousie]

Sephiroth all the way

[Chrono]

Well, it's not that Gannon isn't cool, it's just that Sephiroth is extreamly cool. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, Sephi wins this one.
Sephiroth all the way! For the win!

[Shizzy]

It all depends on which forum you choose to post this thread in... I bet you if you posted this same thread in a Zelda forum... "Ganon-whats his face" would most likely win... =P

And over here... obviously crouded with FF fans will choose Sephiroth... Half of them not even knowing who Ganondorf is... (I'm one of those people... I never played Ocorina of Time... So i woulnd't know... )You have a point about where I post it... and Ganon is in most Zelda games even in Super Smash Bros. Melee check him out sometime he ain't that bad...

[Sake]

...
I can't believe you even have to ask, a frickin' moogle could pwn Ganondorf, it wouldn't take anyone near Sephiroth's skill level to trash him.
So, My vote is: Sephiroth, in under 3.5 seconds.

[Urahara]

Sephiroth wouldn't even have to do anything he would just think it and ganondorf would die

[white_lotus27]

My pick would go to Sephiroth, of course. People should know that Sephiroth is way too strong. He could destroyed Ganondorf by 3 secs. Lol!:laugh:

[Saiyanbabe1818]

Sephiroth!

[Khanxay]

i say the sephiroth owns all challengers

[Donkey Puncher]

I think that Ganondorf because of the strenght and I like him in all of the Zalda games he was in.

[paine_within]

....No brainer...Ganondorf would get his a*s handed back to him on a silver platter if he went up against Sephiroth.

[Glitch4.0]

as is everyone elses pick, its sephiroth, he would tear ganondorf to shreds

[Secret Asian Man]

lol this is a most interesting Match up. I'd have to vote for Ganondorf, he has survived thru countless Zelda sequels so I think he could take on Sephiroth ;D

[Nocturne]

It all depends on which forum you choose to post this thread in... I bet you if you posted this same thread in a Zelda forum... "Ganon-whats his face" would most likely win... =P

And over here... obviously crouded with FF fans will choose Sephiroth... Half of them not even knowing who Ganondorf is... (I'm one of those people... I never played Ocorina of Time... So i woulnd't know... )
...Never played one of the highest selling, perfect scored and regarded by most as the best adventure game of all time?

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[Prince Seven]

Sephiroth even though i am a very big fan of Zelda games especially Ocorina of Time

[Loljoke]

Sephiros!!!!!

yeah, Sephiroth would totally win, just look what he does in AC, omg!

[Marie2007]

yeah it would be Sephiroth hands down

[Saint Mana]

Ahaha! This is a joke right?
Come one, Ganondorf is highly cool, but against the Seph is has no chance.
Sephiroth would rend him in a fraction of a second. I am not exaggerating, he is that fast.
Heh, if any of you think that Ganondorf would actually stand a chance, go watch Advent Children, then come back and beg for forgiveness.

[Raimego]

I would say Gannondorf {His name is so cool}

[.Lovebeat]

HAHAHAHA!!! :laugh:
Sephirot of course :p Sephirot :awe:

[supermodel]

what are you talking about the only match for sephiroth would be Cloud Strife

[Scion]

I'm gonna be a pain and vote for Ganondork which is so disregarded by many. Every villian has his strengths and weaknesses, most people just go into "he is cool he will win". Thats not how it always goes, for example: Fat Buu VS. Trunks, nobody likes Buu but he can beat Trunks. Thats why I am going with Ganondork, he may not be too cool but he does has the Triforce of Power. :p

[SilverDragonUltimas]

I like both Gannondorf and Sephiroth alot, but I know neither one of them would win a decisive battle against each other.

I mean both of them are gods in their own right.

Sephiroth is the ultimate UBerBoss, and he transformed 2 twice at the end of FF7. He's super fast, super strong, hes demented, and just the Lifestream incanate, and in Advent Children, he proves that he cannot(And dosen't Want to) stay dead.

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Gannondorf is the same way, always transforming into all sorts of fowl monsters and with the Tri-Force of Power (Made by the Goddess DIN) Hes pretty much can pull off anything he wants, raise any of his abilties to match Sephiroth, and hes pretty much unstoppable. And GannonDorf isn't a slouch in the sword fighting department, he does have a Cloud sized ZweiHander and moves it like a feather. (Ganon can't be killed by normal weaponry)

They're both like Eternal forms of Evil. They cancel each other out, and yet they still survive and fight on.

They can cut the hell out of each other all they want to, and I know it would look Awesome, but they wouldn't be able to kill each other.

Sephiroth can wipe the floor with the GannonDorf of Super Smash Brothers Melee, because he's a clone of Captain Falcon. But the GannonDorf of
"Ocarina of Time", that fight would last for as long as they have fight in them.

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The only way you can beat GannonDorf is by sealing him away by using "The Hero of Time"

Only way to beat Sephiroth is by using Cloud who is a clone of Sephiroth and seal him away.

[Surimano]

Sephiroth vs. Ganondorf

Sephiroth wins in a split second

[MistaCloudStrife]

Cloud who is a clone of Sephiroth
Sorry... I'm picky... Cloud isnt a Clone of Sephiroth...He just has Jenova cells injected into him... They were hoping to create another Sephiroth but he's not really a Clone...


And I guess Sephiorth would win cuz... I swear he never really dies... Lol... He's come back several times in the game and also in the movie...

[axel heart]

Sephiroth would win because he's stronger than Ganondorf.

[xAngel4rmbelowx]

Sephiroth all the way! Hes sephiroth 4 god's sake! Hes freakin awesome!!

[red storm]

All of those who voted Ganondorf, picture this: You're saying that a guy who can use an attack that makes the sun go nova (Sephiroth) against a guy who -at best- transforms into a gicantic minotaur and slashes with swords.

Seriously, be realistic for a moment. I find Ganondorf a 10 times better villan then Sephiroth, but in a battle Sephiroth would just tear him apart.

And the triforce of power? If a greenclad sword wielding kid with no spells stronger then a fire1 and a max HP of 20 (fourty if double defense) can kill Ganondorf, that triforce of power is really limited.

[Saint Mana]

SilverDragonUltimas, your post was one of the few decent ones in this thread. thank you for that, I tire of all the senseless worship.

Now as I said in my eaarlier post, Sephiroth would win. I am not just saying that because Sephiroth is glorious beyond reason, even though he is. I am saying it because Ganondorf, while extremely powerful, is simply no match for Sephiroth.
Whoever has been basing their post on Smash Bros Ganondorf is an idiot. Ganondorf is really damn near immortal. He was killed once, and only once in the Zelda series. That was in the original Legend of Zelda for NES. All the other times, Ganondorf was either sealed, banished, or some other such thing. Now, let us for now disregard all transformations. Sephiroth is more or less a god. He will never die, and he knows it. Kadaj, Yazoo, and Loz are proof of that. The way I see it, as long as the Lifestream of Jenova's cells exist, so will Sephiroth. He has tremedous reach with Masamune, he has insane spellcasting capabilities, though he really does not need them.
Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power. He is mostly a magic type, though he does have a large sword. The fact is simply this, Ganondorf's spell casting abilities would simply not phase Sephiroth.
Now, if we face off Ganon and Savior Sephiroth. That match is quite simple. Ganon, while sickeningly powerful, is ungodly slow. He can warp in some cases, but is is limited. Savior Sephiroth is a god beast. He would simply need to cast Nova or some other such spell.
The truth is, in their transormed states, neither one of them would die. Ganon would somehow be saved by the Triforce of Power, and Sephiroth would simply revert to his human form and recharge.
This debate could go on forever, but I do believe that Sephiroth would be the true victor. Ganondorf simply cannot cut it.

[Devilstears]

eh..... Sephiroth....................

[grim_reaper]

sephiroth. he's much harder to beat. plus he looks better

[Kurumirina]

I would say....sephiroth would win...he is way more powerfull...if it wasn`t with sephiroth..I would choose Ganondorf but I`ll go with sephiroth now...if u played the game...sephiroth was being experimented by a professor tol be the strongest person..but the experiment was a failure.But but....even when the experiment fail he was still considered strong..when he becomez to the beast(real cool when that happenz)
plus he has a lot of tacticz with his swordz......and Ganon can only do some magic attackz!!thatz all he can do...if he get hit by sephiroth...poff he can bye bye...

[mikey]

septhiroth would win

[Demon Wolf Saber]

Sephiroth would totally win.

[darkfire01]

Sephiroth would easily win a match against Ganondorf. 1 b'cause hes faster. 2 b'cause hes stronger. and 3 b'cause Ganondorf is a wimp. i mean i feel a little srry 4 ganondorf 4 having 2 face sephiroth but then again im not. but hands down it would b like a rabbit fighting a lepord or somethin like that. hands down Sephiroth is the bomb and will always win except when ppl woup his butt in kingdom hearts.

[FarEastStyle]

Sephiroth would easily win a match against Ganondorf. 1 b'cause hes faster. 2 b'cause hes stronger. and 3 b'cause Ganondorf is a wimp. i mean i feel a little srry 4 ganondorf 4 having 2 face sephiroth but then again im not. but hands down it would b like a rabbit fighting a lepord or somethin like that. hands down Sephiroth is the bomb and will always win except when ppl woup his butt in kingdom hearts.
I don't think you want to go there, Ganondorf can't even die
Get something straight there is no way Sephiroth can even stand up to..let alone someone as powerful as Ganondorf,
well at least Ganondof didn't have a friggin wing through most of his animation

[SilverDragonUltimas]

Sephiroth would win in a "I Quit Match" and if Ganondorf didn't wield the Tri-Force of Power. And the reason why Link does defeat Ganon is the simple fact that its prophecy that said he will with help of the 7 sages. Even if Sephiroth uses his ultimate Attack and somehow fatally wounds Ganondorf, the Tri-Force of Power will restore him good as new. He cannot die. Go play Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time. Sealed only with the Master Sword (BTW, The Master Sword can only be wielded by someone of pure heart). The fight would last more than a lifetime, either they get bored with each other by then or find Cloud and Link again to kick their individual asses.

[red storm]

I don't think you want to go there, Ganondorf can't even die
Get something straight there is no way Sephiroth can even stand up to..let alone someone as powerful as Ganondorf,
well at least Ganondof didn't have a friggin wing through most of his animation
No, tranforming into a pig is a lot better.

Get real people! No matter how I like Ganondorf, Sephiroth has an attack that blows up the frigging sun! Have any of you Ganondorf voters even played FFVII?

I played both zelda and FF, and I must say I am not in some ilusional fanboy/girl daze to think ganondorf would even stand the slightest chance against Sephiroth.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Umm... I don't know crap about this Ganondorf or whatever... but I can defend Sephiroth I guess...

Here...

Sephiroth is was the number one ranked person in the military... He was an expirement since birth to become the most powerful soldier...

He summoned a huge meteor and killed several people...

He destroyed Nibelhiem and killed just about everyone that lived there...

He has a sword that only HE can use properly...

And he freaking never dies... I swear he'll always come back to life somehow... <_<;; He gets revived one more time and I'm gonna.... Grr...

[japonice_aeris]

Sephiroth!!~ duuno just like him better coz i dont know his opponent anyeiz:laugh: :p

[BlueJade]

No, tranforming into a pig is a lot better.

Get real people! No matter how I like Ganondorf, Sephiroth has an attack that blows up the frigging sun! Have any of you Ganondorf voters even played FFVII?

I played both zelda and FF, and I must say I am not in some ilusional fanboy/girl daze to think ganondorf would even stand the slightest chance against Sephiroth.

Yo Dude, Ganondorf Can't Die!! Do You Not Understand This?! you can't say the same for Sephiroth, now can you :<_<:

[clowtrigger]

Well, I think it's a stalemate because Sephiroth can't die also, as long as there are Jenova Cells in the Lifestream's circulation, There will always be Sephiroth. But as for the coolness factor, Sephiroth isvery cool, especially in Advent Children

[Darrmyth]

Sephiroth would win because ganadorf is a push over i mean link can beat him LOL

[Kirara the cute fox]

Sephirith would win easily! Ganondorf is a big wussy. in a split second Ganondorf would go "bye bye" XD

[red storm]

Yo Dude, Ganondorf Can't Die!! Do You Not Understand This?! you can't say the same for Sephiroth, now can you :<_<:
Explain, why is Ganondorf immortal?

[BlueJade]

Explain, why is Ganondorf immortal?

Sephiroth would win in a "I Quit Match" and if Ganondorf didn't wield the Tri-Force of Power. And the reason why Link does defeat Ganon is the simple fact that its prophecy that said he will with help of the 7 sages. Even if Sephiroth uses his ultimate Attack and somehow fatally wounds Ganondorf, the Tri-Force of Power will restore him good as new. He cannot die. Go play Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time. Sealed only with the Master Sword (BTW, The Master Sword can only be wielded by someone of pure heart). The fight would last more than a lifetime, either they get bored with each other by then or find Cloud and Link again to kick their individual asses.

thats why red

[red storm]

Nowhere in either of the games is it said that the triforce of power makes him imortal, it just makes him very strong. Your argument is based on speculation, and therefore invalid.

[FarEastStyle]

again, at least Ganondof didn't have a friggin wing through most of his animation,
and looked like a he/she from behide.

[red storm]

Again, Gannondorf transforms into a pig, hows that better?

[FarEastStyle]

Again, Gannondorf transforms into a pig, hows that better?
haha look red, Ganondorf turned to a pig back in SNES That was tha only ever time, and well that was a long time ago (in video game years)
you seem to be stuck on that, so just drop it.
AND for tha Last time again, at least Ganondof didn't have a freakin wing through most of his animation.

[ThatBurnyFeelin]

There is no way sephiroth could lose!

[Ryu Kazuhiro]

I dislike Sephiroth and Ganondorf, because they're nasty antagonists! I pwn them with Cloud and Link. However, Sephiroth is way evil and mean! He killed Aeris! That fiend! So, Sephiroth will win because of his sheer evil and insanity.

[red storm]

haha look red, Ganondorf turned to a pig back in SNE That was tha only ever time, and well that was a long time ago (in video game years)
you seem to be stuck on that, so just drop it.
AND for tha Last time again, at least Ganondof didn't have a freakin wing through most of his animation. First of, you seem to be stuck one the "Sephiroth has a wing" thing, so you have no right to comment on me about mentioning that Ganondorf transforms into a pig.

Okay, then we pick Ocarina of Time. Now he transorms into a bull. Yes, I see much improvement -_-

All you say is "Sephiroth has a wing! Sephiroth has a wing!" yet whenever I come with a valid argument, you completely ignore it and focus on the fact that Sephiroth has a wing. Yes, he has a wing, how would that make Ganondorf win?

[FarEastStyle]

First of, you seem to be stuck one the "Sephiroth has a wing" thing, so you have no right to comment on me about mentioning that Ganondorf transforms into a pig.

Okay, then we pick Ocarina of Time. Now he transorms into a bull. Yes, I see much improvement -_-

All you say is "Sephiroth has a wing! Sephiroth has a wing!" yet whenever I come with a valid argument, you completely ignore it and focus on the fact that Sephiroth has a wing. Yes, he has a wing, how would that make Ganondorf win?


First off, Ganondorf DIDN'T turn into a bull on Ocarina Of Time (N64), it was a DRAGON.
I keep answering your questions, but you have not given me a answer about Why Sephiroth has that one wing, you keep igoring that.
Im guessing you don't know why either. :<_<:

[red storm]

You never asked why Sephiroth had a wing you just said he had one as if it was a reason for ganondorf winning. Had you asked me, I would have tried to answer. I didn't ignore it, as my previous post stated. You however, have yet to answer my question as to where it is said that ganondorf is immortal.

As to why he has the wing? designing, it has no use in battle whatsoever except trying to look cool.

Oh, and gannondorf a dragon?

http://www.majorasmythicalmagic.1hwy.com/images/ganon.jpghttp://www.rpgamer.com/games/zelda/z5/graphics/screen/z5-075.jpghttp://www.rpgamer.com/games/zelda/z5/graphics/screen/z5-077.jpg

Dream on, he's a bull.

[Mugetsu]

The wing is not important. lol
Sephiroth is much faster than Ganondorf. He has a larger variety of skills and he is very good at using that sword of his. I kinda like Ganondorf as a villain but having the Tri-Force of Power can only help him so much. Prophecy or not he was still beaten by an Elf....over & over again. I wont say it will be easy (though it probably will be) but Sephiroth wins.

[SilverDragonUltimas]

1.) Bulls do not have spiked tails. Dragons do.
Dragons comes in all shapes and sizes, colors, elements.
2.) Anyone can use the materia, including Ganondorf
3.) GanonDorf can snatch (If he chosed) the black Materia

that is used to summon Meteor out of Sephiroth' chest.
4.) Ganon, using the TRI-FORCE of Power could just slap

Meteor out of the sky.
5.) Ganondorf is not slow, he has the Tri-Force of Power and

can adapt every move to that of Sephiroth if given the

chance.
6.) Dosen't need sleep, has all the endurace he needs because

he has the Tri-Force of Power. The Tri-Force of Power can

sustain his existence.
7.) He can fly just like Sephiroth
8.) Unlimited MAGICK POWER by the Tri-Force of Power
9.) If the need arose and meteor did try to destroy the

planet, and the lifestream did intervene, Ganondorf would use

the Tri-Force of Power to absorb the Lifestream and dismantle

Meteor with a flick of thought or just Leave the fight with

Sephiroth and go and conquer other worlds and galaxies.
10.) In Ocarina of Time, Ganon didn't age for 7 years, he is

IMMORTAL, and not because he is a Gerudo. This is because of

the Tri-Force of Power.
11.) The Tri-Force is directly Linked to The Goddess Din. Din

Is the Tri-Force of Power.
12.) The Weapons of Final Fantasy 7, Ruby, Emerald, Ultima

were awhole lot stronger than Sephiroth and took a hell of

alot more to defeat.
13.) The Master Sword is only the key to unlocking the Tri-

Force. "If", "IF" Sephiroth was Good, he could use the Master

Sword to Weaken(Not Kill) the GanonDorf to the point he would

GIVE UP. But knowing for Sure that Sephiroth is, will, and

always be a Psycho EVIL SUMBATCH, he will never be able to

wield the Master sword because it is "The Sword of Evils BANE

= The Master Sword.


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14.) Sephiroth has Died Twice.
Once my Cloud when Cloud was just a petty officer
And Again By Cloud in the End of the Game.
Advent Children Sephiroth is just the memory, skills, tatics,

knowledge, of Sephiroth used inside of Kadaj.
14a.) AC Sephiroth dosent have Nova Anymore.
Advent Children, PSone 7, Kingdom Hearts Sephy - Its still a DRAW.
14b.) AC and the Game are Different and everyone knows that.
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15.) Ganondorf (By the Tri-Force of Power) is a god that can

only be "Banished", not killed.
16.) GanonDorf is the Tri-Force of Power
17.) Meteor is not a Light attack, so it dosent effect him

none, Meteor is a NON-Elemental Attack.
18.) GanonDorf can make the sky black just like Sephiroth can

do.
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Given that the N64 storage capacity was very limited to the

PlaysTations CD's, Nintendo and Miyamoto used what they had

to create the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

Realizing that they couldn't have a story and massive heart-

attacking powers like in Final Fantasy 7, they again used

what they hand for the story's sake.
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Ocarina of Time is the first Zelda in the actual Time-Line.
Followed Closely by Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess(30 Years

after OOT) and Last The Wind Waker (100 years after OOT.)

Link, Zelda, Rauru, Darunia, Saria, Impa, Nabooru, Ruto

banished, not killed, banished him into the "Sacred Realm".

Link then was tricked into Marjoras world and GanonDorf

returned from the "Sacred Realm" soon after. With the Hero of

Time out the picture, GanonDorf destroyed the land, with no

avatar, The Goddess flooded the planet, but yet Ganondorf was

still alive.
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http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/ganondorf3.jpg

Din is the Goddess of Power. According to legend, she used

her strong flaming arms to sculpt the land and create the red

earth. Her powers is associated with the Triforce of Power.

Sephiroth can only destroy, not create, that is self evident.
Dins power can Create Planets, Over and Over and Over and

Over and Over, there is no end to it. Ganon can create copies

of himself, raise the dead, fight on water, fly, add to his

strength, speed, endurance, skill.
(Reminder, he is IMMORTAL, and not the Take off his head

Highlander Imomortal. ITS like in the Eternal EVIL Sense.)

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It dosent matter if he used Nova in the game, that was the

game and your characters still survived. If he wanted in AC,

Sephiroth could have used NOVA, yet he did not. Nomura could have put that in there, yet he didn't, he was the Director. The overall Warpness of the game is too much to cram into AC. Like with Tifa Lifting Emerald to do Final Heaven. It wasen't Possible in the movie.
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Ganondorf Vs One Winged Angel.

They are both UBER strong given no restrictions.
But as I stated factually before, IT is a STALEMATE.

[MistaCloudStrife]

I'm telling you right now... After I've seen AC I'mpretty sure Sephiroth would win...

You say like... Gananwhateverhisname can use materia too... This is Sephiroth vs him... Sephiorth will use what he can and Gananwhatever can use what Seph can, right...?

If you want to bring all this he can use this... Then Sephiroth could eqiuip some thief gloves use some sources to buff up his luck stats and use the steal materia to take away Ganonwhatever's Tri-Force power.... Then he would have nothing... Except materia which would be pretty much useless since he wouldn't have much experience using materia...

Also.... If Sephiroth really wanted to(It's never really been done before but it could work) he could inject that guy with some J cells and he would be under Jenova's control... Lol...

And there are just so many ways he could win... And as long as Jenova cells areon teh planet, Sephiroth will continue to live...

You said Ganonwhatever his face is immortal but thats only because of his TriForce... If its gone he's no longer immortal...

And you said some other stuff but i really didnt read all you posted... So that's all I'll say for now...

[red storm]

The enormous amount of enters you used severly reduced the intelligence of your post, and the way the random enters are inserted sugests ripping it from the net but I will try to respond to every point.


1.) Bulls do not have spiked tails. Dragons do. Dragons comes in all shapes and sizes, colors, elements. 1: I never said he was an ordinary bull, Ganon has horns, bulls have horns. And did you notice the nose? He's a bull, a very wacked out uberpowered minotaur like bull, but a bull still.


2.) Anyone can use the materia, including Ganondorf

2: Sephiroth hardly uses any materia apart from the black one to summon meteor.


3.) GanonDorf can snatch (If he chosed) the black Materia that is used to summon Meteor out of Sephiroth' chest.

3: And get his head sliced of in the proccess. Sephiroth practically fused with the black materia, you can't just rip something out of someones body i it's everywhere in the body.


4.) Ganon, using the TRI-FORCE of Power could just slap Meteor out of the sky.

4: Nocking a giant meteor out of the sky? Yeah right, if he could do that he would have squashed Link like a bug.


5.) Ganondorf is not slow, he has the Tri-Force of Power and can adapt every move to that of Sephiroth if given the chance.

5: Since when can Gannondorf adapt to an oponents move? Don't start making things up.


6.) Dosen't need sleep, has all the endurace he needs because he has the Tri-Force of Power. The Tri-Force of Power can sustain his existence.

6: Like I said, don't make things up.


7.) He can fly just like Sephiroth

7: So?


8.) Unlimited MAGICK POWER by the Tri-Force of Power

8: Sephiroth also has unlimited magic power thanks to Jenova.


9.) If the need arose and meteor did try to destroy the planet, and the lifestream did intervene, Ganondorf would use the Tri-Force of Power to absorb the Lifestream and dismantle Meteor with a flick of thought or just Leave the fight with Sephiroth and go and conquer other worlds and galaxies.

9: Stop making things up, if the triforce of power was truly that strong he would never have been defeated by Link with a sword and some arrows. The full triforce, as in power, wisdom AND courrage would equal the power of the planet, yet Ganondorf has only one.


10.) In Ocarina of Time, Ganon didn't age for 7 years, he is IMMORTAL, and not because he is a Gerudo. This is because of the Tri-Force of Power.

10: You know, there is a little thing as being an adult which means that you change very little physically.


11.) The Tri-Force is directly Linked to The Goddess Din. Din is the Tri-Force of Power.

11: If that were true, why didn't she stop him? They were small pieces of their power left behind.


12.) The Weapons of Final Fantasy 7, Ruby, Emerald, Ultima were awhole lot stronger than Sephiroth and took a hell of alot more to defeat.

12: They were embodiments of the planets power, of course they were harder to defeat!


13.) The Master Sword is only the key to unlocking the Tri-
Force. "If", "IF" Sephiroth was Good, he could use the Master Sword to Weaken(Not Kill) the GanonDorf to the point he would GIVE UP. But knowing for Sure that Sephiroth is, will, and always be a Psycho EVIL SUMBATCH, he will never be able to wield the Master sword because it is "The Sword of Evils BANE = The Master Sword.

13: Why would he need the master sword? One nova and it's bye bye Ganndorf. Don't asume everyone has to follow Zelda rules, the rules for master sword being needed was for the people of Hyrule, who were severely weaker then sephiroth.


14.) Sephiroth has Died Twice. Once my Cloud when Cloud was just a petty officer And Again By Cloud in the End of the Game. Advent Children Sephiroth is just the memory, skills, tatics, knowledge, of Sephiroth used inside of Kadaj.
14a.) AC Sephiroth dosent have Nova Anymore.
Advent Children, PSone 7, Kingdom Hearts Sephy - Its still a DRAW.
14b.) AC and the Game are Different and everyone knows that.

14: Ah, but back when he was first killed he was surprised and unaware of his true powers. When he was killed at his full power it took the entire strength of a planet to take him down. Not some measily brat with a sword. You countered 14a. with 14b. yourself.


15.) Ganondorf (By the Tri-Force of Power) is a god that can only be "Banished", not killed.

15: SPE-CU-LA-TION How many times do I have to tell you to stop making things up? It was never said in the game, thus not an actual fact.


16.) GanonDorf is the Tri-Force of Power

16: Please... stop making things up... Ganondorf is not the triforce of power, he holds the triforce of power.


17.) Meteor is not a Light attack, so it dosent effect him none, Meteor is a NON-Elemental Attack.

17: No, it's a gicantic chunk of burning rock falling out of the sky. Need I tell you that hurts? big goron's sword isn't light either, yet it still kills him.


18.) GanonDorf can make the sky black just like Sephiroth can do.

18: In other words, just as cool.

[SilverDragonUltimas]

The enormous amount of enters you used severly reduced the intelligence of your post, and the way the random enters are inserted sugests ripping it from the net but I will try to respond to every point.
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No need to become insulted RS, its only a post. ;)
Before you go ASSuming I ripped my entire post from the various sites on the INTERWEB, let me rebuttle and go about asking this question, "How would you even know?, I mean, I typed that whole thing on my notepad, how is that drawn out from the internet?, unless it was to correct one word.

Lol, I was busy reading more important things then try to
mold a cohesive, yet practical post to a thread that should have died 13 posts ago. And to counter, the question, "Then why are you here at AnimeForums or doing whatever in this thread or any other thread".

My answer to that question if it ever arose in this debate, is this - I like placing oil on fires, don't presume to understand why, because every available thought that does coarse through your neural pathways cannot be
sufficient enough to comprehend why, and if you do try, and dawn on some word as "Immature, and One-Sided", think it, but that dosen't prove anything in this matter at hand or anyone thats in the horizon.

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Snake, Spider, Doll, Bull, Minotaur, Fish, Satyr, Harpie, Pig, Dragon, Griffin. It
dosen't matter what creature he transmutates into, Evil is Evil. Enough with this "Because he transforms into a Bull Minotauresque creature, he dosen't stand a chance against Sephy". Why would Ganondorf transform into a Pig to fight Sephiroth in the first place?. Who said he ever had to?.

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(Note: The Masamune is just a sword that is fused with Sephiroth(Jenova).
Since Ganondorf cannot dilute the "Black Materia" from Sephiroth, then Sephiroth cannot steal the Tri-Force, Point Made even more CLEAR!.

AC Sephiroth does not possess "The Black Materia used to summon "Meteor". It died with him when Cloud killed him at the end of
the first game, it and him are back inside the "Lifestream", where all materia goes and comes from.

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GanonDorf, gathering enough strength and exerting enough energy, he could counteract/Reflect "Meteor".
What is stronger, the power to create planets, or a small moon
travelling abnormally fast?.

Ganondorf was banished in the "Sacred Realm" created by the
Goddesses. Then he converted the "Sacred Realm" into the "Dark World". If he could do that to a place that was created as his prison, he surely could defend against "Meteor".

He's never using The FULL POTENTIAL of the Tri-Force of Power when Fighting Link, if he did there would be no game. RPGS in ATB(Active Time Battles) is just for the game. Its just like Intros to some games, Like Devil Kings and Kingdom Under Fire, you watch the CG Cutscene and their doing All this Massively cool stuff, you start playing the game, its nowhere near that.

I don't make things up, thats your assumption. I don't need to lie to get the point across.

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Tri-Force of Power, Tri-Force of Power, Tri-Force of Power. What does it say at the end, it dosen't say. "Tri-Force of Tenderness, or Tri-Force of Whipped Cream, or Tri-Force of BUTTSECKS, Its clearly states, POWER.

Heres an description of the word POWER:

1-ability to act or produce an effect
2-ability to get extra-base hits
3-capacity for being acted upon or undergoing an effect
4-authority, capacity, or right OVER
5-possession of control, authority, or influence over others and things

I don't make things up. I don't need to lie to get the point across. If you want to read this again, go ahead. Its right there.

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Since they both have UNLIMITED MAGIC POWERS. Like I stated clearly before, over and over again Its a dead EVEN. ACCEPT IT.

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The SuperNOVA: It should be noted this spell can be used multiple times in the course of the battle; the effects are powerful and very dramatic, but illusory.
Because if he really used a SuperNOVA like you claimed he would use it, no-one would be able to conquer Final Fantasy 7, it would have been GAME OVER from the Gitgo.

And for a short description on what an Illusion is.
An illusion is a distortion of a sensory perception.
1-The action of deceiving
2-The state or fact of being intellectually deceived or misled :MISAPPREHENSION
3-An instance of such deception
4-A misleading image presented to the vision, something that deceives or misleads intellectually, perception of something objectively existing in such a way as to cause misinterpretation of its actual nature, HALLUCINATION, a pattern capable of reversible perspective.

Again, If you want to read this again, go ahead. Its right there.

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Red Storm: "Stop Making Things UP!".

You sound like a child when you keep typing that.
AGAIN, I will state, The Master Sword: Key To the Sacred Realm, SWORD OF ALL EVILS BANE.
Emphasis on the word EVIL. Not just Somewhat-Evil, Not just Occasionally Evil, Not just EVIL on the Weekends and on Thurdays. EVIL in ALL FORMS. How many times do I have to STRESS this.

Light Arrows pierce pure evil. Ever heard of "alignment", like in Final Fantasy X. Water beats Fire, Lights Beats Shadow, Gravity beats AIR, Fire beats Ice, Lightning Beats Electornics. Get with the program.

AGAIN Link defeated him with the HELP OF THE SAGES, not just by himself. Here are the names of the SAGES, again, you must keep this in your mind, if thats possible.

Link: Hero Of TIME
Princess Zelda: SAGE
King Darunia: Sage of the Fire Temple
Princess Ruto: Sage of the Water Temple
Rauru: Sage of the Light Temple
Saria: Sage of the FOREST TEMPLE
Nabooru: Sage of the Spirit Temple
IMPA: Sage of the SHADOW TEMPLE

Vs

GanonDorf: King Of EVIL

An organized group of Chosen ONES fighting against the King of EVIL

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Hmmm, a handicap match.
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Cloud: Jevonva Powered
Tifa: Expert Martial Artist
Barret: Loud mouth black guy with gun
CID: Former Inventor and a pissed off white guy
Vicent: Jenova Powered Demon Cells
Cait Sith: A TOY and its USER
Red 13: A talking RED LIGER
Yuffie: A Materia THEIF

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Sephiroth or as everyone should realize, is JENOVA.

Any one you can pull off the street like N'SYNC whos going to beat a psychopathic maniac who is claiming that he wants to be reborn as a GOD because he read some files in the Shinra Mansion, but in actuality, he's just the son of Hojo and Lucretia pumped up with Jenvoa cells, (in the womb), which aren't even a CETRA's(Ancients) Just a freakin ALIEN
who that HOJO mistook for an ANCIENT, which can still EVIDENTLY die, since Cloud killed him in the REACTOR in NIBLEHIEM. Everything else in the game was Jenova, JEnova, Jenova, the only real fight between Cloud and Sephiroth were in the FINAL PARTS OF THE GAME.

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Don't you know that all things eventually comes to an end. Ganondorf being a threat is only temporary. Beings like the goddess know this, their awareness of reality is different than that of temporal beings of limited forsight.

It is not a small part of their powers, it is their powers.
And I thought you knew this.

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The SuperNOVA: It should be noted this spell can be used multiple times in the course of the battle; the effects are powerful and very dramatic, but illusory. Because if he really used a SuperNOVA, it would have been GAME OVER from the Gitgo. And for a short description on what an Illusion is.
An illusion is a distortion of a sensory perception.
1-The action of deceiving
2-The state or fact of being intellectually deceived or misled : MISAPPREHENSION
3-An instance of such deception
4-A misleading image presented to the vision, something that deceives or misleads intellectually, perception of something objectively existing in such a way as to cause
misinterpretation of its actual nature, HALLUCINATION, a pattern capable of reversible perspective.

Again, If you want to read this AGAIN, go ahead. Its right there.

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14: Ah, but back when he was first killed he was surprised and unaware of his true powers. When he was killed at his full power it took the entire strength of a planet to
take him down. Not some measily brat with a sword. You countered 14a. with 14b. yourself.

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ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, Proceding to CORRECT.
Cloud killed Sephiroth at the end of the Final Fantasy 7. Before "Meteor" ever touched Midgar, Sephiroth was already dead in the "LifeStream" with the "Black Materia".Cloud, with all this company escaped the Crater, and were all in the "Highwind", smoking weed and snorting booger sugar, having a good time as the "LifeStream" came out of the planet and guarded the world from "Meteor". And don't dare assume Sephiroth is "Meteor".

Advent Children Sephiroth dosen't have NOVA.

Advent Children Sephiroth Vs GanonDorf = ???

Kingdom Hearts Sephiroth Vs GanonDorf = GanonDorf. Hmm, I do believe that theres another
brat with a keyblade that beat Sephiroth in some other game I can't seem to remember, Oh well.

Final Fantasy 7-PSone = Just think if Gannondorf was on Cloud's Team, with the TRI-FORCE Of POWER.
Just Ponder on that for a moment.

Ask yourself this, What is more advanced. Cells from an Alien...or Power of a GOD?.

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How many times do I have to tell you to stop making things up?
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LMFAO, ROFFL. Uhh....Let me get this straight, are you giving me a command?. Listen, I'm not your boyfriend, girlfriend, your dog, your cat, your chicken, your slave, your dad, your mama, your mind, or your man-*****. Listen child, giving me orders is like giving GOD an order, it falls on deaf ears.
Banished, Banished, Banished, Banished, sealed, sealed, sealed
So he managed to get the SAME PIECE, in EVERY GAME, just on coincidence. God Your hella lame, get your head out your rectum and pay attention, ATTEN-TION.

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17: No, it's a gicantic chunk of burning rock falling out of the sky. Need I tell you
that hurts? big goron's sword isn't light either, yet it still kills him.
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ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, Proceding to Compensate.
Yes Julie, a Meteor is a gicantic chunk of burning rock falling out of the sky, you deserve a prize

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When did you ever LEARN THAT?. You must be BIG GIRL TO KNOW ALL OF THAT, you NEED A SPECIAL STICKER.
The BIG GORON SWORD is just a BIG SWORD, a knife for a Goron Acutally. Either your off your prozac and xanax today or your just really guessing here. Go back on your provac, and start playing Katamari Damacy.

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Jenova has nothing to do with the "ANCIENTS"/"The CETRA" but being that she's a "ALIEN" that wanted to rob the planet of all its eneriges. The encounters with Sephiroth in the game are the manifestations of Jenova. So in essence Ganondorf is truly fighting an "Alien".

Sephiroth managed to scar the planet, but never managed to be reborn as a "god".

And if it makes you FEEL any better than usual, I'll take back the GOD status that I previously had on Ganondorf, but I won't deny that he's powerful given NO RESTRICTIONS. YES, the Triforce boosts Ganondorf's abilities!

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Sephiroth's health depends on your level and I was at lv.60 with KOTRT Precisely worked in one HIT!.
(For those who do not KNOW. KOTRT is KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE Summon.)

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To Finally End this Quarrel.
Final Fantasy & Zelda are in parallel universes, Ganondorf and Sephiroth will never have a fight. But Only in our minds, or in some kind of game where the powers of both will be balanced, like Smash Bros. or Soul Calibur. By being in parallel universes means that they are never going to meet each other, like parallel lines, they never meet each other.

YET I am going to give the Win to Sephiroth because I know he would win in these Catagories by a overwhelming landslide.

1.)Looks (Sephiroth is a pretty man)
2.)Fashion (He owns in this area)
3.)Hair style (Again he OWNS)
4.)Dramatics (10)
5.)Win over Ganondorf with no Tri-Force of Power in 2 Seconds Flat (Need I say more, because I've been stating this throughout the ENTIRE Thread)
6.)Win over Ganondorf in Super Smash Brothers Melee because of his speed, reach and
maneuverability
Sephiroth(Before Mako Reactor Incident, Advent Children Memory, and Kingdom Hearts
Versions) wins 6 to 0

But in the CASE of AN UNRESTRICTED ARENA with no Boundries or rules.
Advent Children Sephiroth Vs GanonDorf of Ocarina of Time = Ganondorf.
Its still 6 to 1. Accept it, its FACT.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Look...

Sephiroth>>Link

Link>>Ganondorf

Therefore...

Sephiroth>>Ganondorf

Yay! Now lets all eat cake. Unless you think Link could beat Sephiroth... Do you now?

[Reika Yagami]

I vouch for the Great Soldier Sephiroth because, he is a ungodly foe and he can so virtually indestructible and his level were so superior take a look he has awesome japanese katana named Masamune so cool but, by the way his personality very calm and cool. ^^

[SilverDragonUltimas]

Look...

Sephiroth>>Link

Link>>Ganondorf

Therefore...

Sephiroth>>Ganondorf

Yay! Now lets all eat cake. Unless you think Link could beat Sephiroth... Do you now?-

The Only way in hell Link could stand up to Sephiroth, is by using the Fierce Diety Mask.
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[MistaCloudStrife]

So basically you're saying that Seph would most likely beat Link right?

And Link would most likely beat Ganondorf...

Now think about those two sentences... This leads to the final answer...

Seph would most likely beat Ganondorf... Get it? ^_^

[red storm]

When I say don't make thinks up, I mean do not state things that are not actual facts.

"Ganondorf doesn't need sleep" Excuse me? When did that happen?

"Ganondorf can adapt to an oponents move" He can? never noticed that.

"Ganondorf is a god" No he's not, he is using a small piece of power left behind by a god.

Ganondorf is not a god, he is not at the level of a god since he only has one piece of the triforce, which is only a fragment of the gods power. If Ganondorf would get his hands on the entire triforce, then it's game over for Sephiroth as he would combine the fragments of three gods to become one. As it stands, he does not ahve the entire triforce, thus he has no acces to heaven (or whatever dimension the gods went of to).

Oh, and Ganondorf can be killed, as shown in the first Zelda, they just lack the power in Hyrule to do it again, so they just seal him. Sephiroth does not lack that power.

[SilverDragonUltimas]

Sephiroth is no god either, remember he failed in doing so...Recall that part of the game.

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"Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past. It's not very clear where Link's Awakening fits in--it could be anytime after Ocarina of Time."

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Go, check your draws, "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" is the first in the timeline, everything else follows. Yes Correction.

"The scourge of Hyrule, Ganon has over the centuries repeatedly tried to conquer the nation, his desire for the Triforce keeping him alive. While Links and Zeldas have come and gone, Ganon has always endured, his hatred and desire providing him strength to continue on in his quest to rule first Hyrule, and then the world."

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Ganondorf Vs LINK (With EVERYTHING) would most likely beat Sephiroth.
Ganondorf VS LINK (With nothing) = Ganondorf.

Without the help of the 7 Sages, Link can't beat Ganondorf
Without the Light Arrows(Which only stun), Link can't beat Ganondorf
without the Silver Arrows (The Silver Arrow is the only arrow that is capable of defeating Ganon in one hit, and only appeared twice in the series, its stronger than the Light Arrows!), Link can't beat Ganondorf
Without the Master Sword at full strength, he can't beat Ganondorf.
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So in essence, Ganondorf Over Link Over Sepiroth (With No Black Materia, AND no NOVA, its not going to be a EASY FIGHT, I've never SAID THAT EVER, FAR FROM IT).
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Without the Tri-Force of Courage, Link can't beat Ganondorf.
Without "The Medalallions of the Sages" (which represent the sages powers) Link would not be able to defeat Gannondorf and to seal Ganon away.

Link without anything is just a dude. Without all of his equipment, he'd be another of Ganondorfs slaves.

Yes Sephiroth can beat Link, yeah, if he didn't have anything at ALL. And I said the only way Link can stand up against Sephiroth is with the Fierce Deity Mask.
And still it wouldnt be an Easy fight.
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The only reason Ganondorf can't use his planet busting powers when Fighting Link and Zelda is when because the TriForce of Wisdom, Courage and Power are all together, they're are some limitations. (Ex: Ganon's creation powers are disabled, Zelda Telepathy, and Links Inner Strength dimmed.) ALL because the TriFORCE(3) are together in a balanced playing field.

AGAIN. The only way Link Beats Ganondorf is with ALL his Equipment, Sages,

Mastered Master Sword and the Tri-Force of Courage with upholds the Law of the Spirit.

Sephiroth does NOT have Link's equipment, or know the Sages, nor the Master Sword, or any pieces of the Tri-Force. Or any of the Crystals. <READ THAT AGAIN>

Cloud Almost died from a bullet, CLOUD almost was killed by a bullet. How is Sephiroth unvunerable when Cloud killed him twice. Only way is because of the JENOVA CELLS. And the Tri-Force of Power is Beyond alien cells.

If Ganondorf can change the Sacred Realm to his liking.
And if Sephiroth is so strong, couldn't he have did the same to the "LifeStream"
Why not, because Jenova was never apart of the Planet to BEGIN WITH. Jenova was never a Cetra, but an Alien.

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Okay my grand encyclopedia, can you explain how GANONDORF was killed in Zelda one., and not just post a simple, "By SOME Lucky, Blonde haired, prepubescent, wimp".
An example of "What not to do/use when fighting Ganon:
Shooting him in the face with a .12 Gauge shotgun is not going to do it
10,000 Degrees of a Volcano isn't going to do it.
Falling from 30 Miles in the air isn't going to do it.
A normal sword isn't going to do it.
Using Falling Balls of ROCK (If a dozen white guys and a black guy can stop a Asteroid the size of Texas within 18 hours. Ganondorf can stop meteor.


If you need a recap go back to the 79th post.
Sephiroth only relies on his Masamune(Which is a 8 foot Katana).

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"The scourge of Hyrule, Ganon has over the centuries repeatedly tried to conquer the nation, his desire for the FULL Triforce keeping him alive. While Links and Zeldas have come and gone, Ganon has always endured, his hatred and desire providing him strength to continue on in his quest to rule first Hyrule, and then the world."

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RED SPORT: Ganondorf is not a god, he is not at the level of a god since he only has one piece of the triforce which is only a fragment of the gods power.

Me: He's a Demi-God, Its the Essence of the goddess's power. I'll talk more about that later.

Red Sport: If Ganondorf would get his hands on the entire triforce, then it's game over for Sephiroth as he would combine the fragments of three gods to become one.

Me: OOO, your powers of deduction are exceptional, I simply can't allow you to waste them here, when they are so many crimes going unsolved at this very moment. GO GO, FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY!!!.
True, but he dosen't need Courage or Wisdom to go Toe to Toe with Sephiroth, he has madness and vast amounts of testicular fortitude just like Sephiroth.

Red Sport: As it stands, he does not ahve the entire triforce, thus he has no acces to heaven (or whatever dimension the gods went of to).

Me: (Uhhh, Sacred REALM Converted into DARK WORLD, WAKE UP.)
WTF would he want to have access to heaven and enter eternal bliss and remain when he when his desire says otherwise, nimrod.

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Taking on the form of a goat-hoffed, boar-headed demonic monster, Ganon possesses the power of a DEMI-GOD when at his full power. It takes an incredible amount of power to seal him away, and besides the Master Sword, the only thing that can truly harm him are the Silver Arrows. - NOW THAT WAS RIPPED FROM THE INTERNET.

Half-Alien Human(AC) vs Demi-God(ALL Games)? Please, Please give me your full assfukk answer?.

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Now we go into ESSENCE 101:
"The Triforce was created when the goddesses left the realm of Hyrule at the exact point where they left; it houses the essence of the goddesses and is is the ULTIMATE representation of ALL power, wisdom, courage and magic in the world"
The Definition of ESSENCE:

1-The permanent as contrasted with the accidental element of being.
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2-The individual, real, or ultimate nature of a thing.
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3-The properties or attributes by means of which something can be placed in its proper class or identified as being what it is.
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4-Something that exists permenately.
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5-A volatile substance or constituent or derivative possessing the special qualities (as of a plant or drug) in concentrated form.
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6-The intrinsic or indispensable properties that serve to characterize or identify something.
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7-The most important ingredient; the crucial element.
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8-The inherent, unchanging nature of a thing or class of things.

DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.
DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER.

The piece of the Tri-Force that Ganondorf has is the Tri-Force of Power.
Its not a Fragment of the Tri-Force of Power. Its the whole Tri-Force of Power.

One piece of the 3 Triangles is DIN. He does not possess 1/8 of of the Tri-Force of Power, or 1/3 or 1/4, or 17/900.
ITS THE WHOLE FRIGGIN THING.
The Tri-Force COMPLETE (Which is all 3 Pieces) is ALL the Goddesses POWERS COMBINED.

(Note: I'm going to repeat this again.)

THE WHOLE TRI-FORCE IS COMPRISED OF 3 PARTS, NOT FRAGMENTS OF THE PARTS.

The Tri-Force of Power is at the TOP = Ganondorf
The Tri-Force of Wisdom is at the Lower Left = ZELDA
The Tri-Force of Courage is at the Lower Right = LINK

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You don't seem to understand how this works
Its states, combined you have ALL 3 in one.
ALL KNOWLEDGE
ALL POWER
ALL COURAGE

Not Some Power
A Little Bit of Courage
And a pint of Wisdom

(Notice how I repeated myself the third time, get off the drugs)

you have 3....
Link has ALL Courage
Zelda has ALL Wisdom
Ganondorf has ALL POWER. He dosen't have a swig, he has all of it.

[MistaCloudStrife]

You say Ganondorf with his Tri-Force can beat a Link with nothing...

And he can beat Sephiroth with nothing....

But how about both with nothing? If he didnt have his Tri-Force and Sephiroth didnt have his spells...??

With this Sephiroth could still revive.... As long as Jenova exists, Sephiroth exists... And Jenova is basically immortal... She's already a part of the planet... If you've seen AC there's a black version of the lifestream... This is the souls of people that have died with geostigma... That means she isn't going anywhere... And neither is Sephiroth... Even if you were to destroy the planet it would just spread Jenova onto other worlds infecting the entire universe...(Which was Jenova's plan form the beginning.)

But Ganondorf's power comes from an item... This item can be taken away from him am I right? It doesn't matter if it's in his body or whatever it CAN be taken away by some means I'm sure...

And like I said before... I'm sure Sephiroth could inject some Jcells into Ganondorf and he'd just become another puppet for Jenova...

And you say Sephiroth uses his sword as a weapon?? So what? Ganondorf would be nothing without his TriForce thing... And if you've seen Last Order... 1st Class SOLDIERs aretrainedin hand to hand combat as well... And you should know Sephiroth was the number one ranked SOLDIER... That would mean he was the strongest man on the planet at one point...

Also... If you were to incorperate the FFVII materia system... The fight would end with Seph as the victor... With things like... Knights of the Round, Phoenix, W Summon, Final Attack, HP Absorb, Hades, and all that... I think it impossible for Ganondorf to win, let alone Link...

[red storm]

Actually, MistaCloud, a part of the triforce is not some simple item you carry with you, it fuses with your very soul. That's why Link didn't know he had it untill he was told. If stealing that would be so easy, the Ganondorf would have stolen Zelda's when he captured her.

Also, I highly doupt injecting some cells will work on a demi-god. Having the cells injected doesn't neccisarily make you a slave.

Back to SilverDragon:


Sephiroth is no god either, remember he failed in doing so...Recall that part of the game. I never claimed Sephiroth to be a god.


Ganondorf Vs LINK (With EVERYTHING) would most likely beat Sephiroth.
Ganondorf VS LINK (With nothing) = Ganondorf. You still asume everyone has to follow LoZ rules. Like I said, the people of Hyrule needed sages and special items because they lacked the power to beat Ganondorf without them. Sephiroth does not lack that power.


The only reason Ganondorf can't use his planet busting powers when Fighting Link and Zelda is when because the TriForce of Wisdom, Courage and Power are all together, they're are some limitations. (Ex: Ganon's creation powers are disabled, Zelda Telepathy, and Links Inner Strength dimmed.) ALL because the TriFORCE(3) are together in a balanced playing field. Then please explain why the hell he would want all three pieces of the triforce if they dim eachothers power?


Me: (Uhhh, Sacred REALM Converted into DARK WORLD, WAKE UP.)
WTF would he want to have access to heaven and enter eternal bliss and remain when he when his desire says otherwise, nimrod. Right, lets think for a moment. If the three gods left for the sacred realm, and Ganondorf was sealed in it, wouldn't that mean that all four of them were in the same place? Hmm, and lets think: We have here, the three gods that created the triforce when they left. Wouldn't that mean that they might be stronger then Ganondorf with one triforce? Hmm, so that would mean that Ganondorf would be squashed like a bug. Demi-god or no, he stands no chance agains three full gods.

Now, he has converted the sacred realm into the dark world, which means he was not defeated. Could that mean that the gods might not be in the sacred realm?

Read back, the goddesses departed for the heavens, where they departed they left the triforce. That became the sacred realm. As to why he would want to acces it, hmmm more power perhaps?


If Ganondorf can change the Sacred Realm to his liking.
And if Sephiroth is so strong, couldn't he have did the same to the "LifeStream"
Why not, because Jenova was never apart of the Planet to BEGIN WITH. Jenova was never a Cetra, but an Alien. Actually, right now Sephiroth doing just that. When people with Jenova cells die and become part of the planet, Jenova cells will enter the lifestream which would enable Sephiroth to manipulate the lifestream.


Half-Alien Human(AC) vs Demi-God(ALL Games)? Please, Please give me your full assfukk answer?. Yes, dodge the language filter. Very mature. Anyway, define demi-god. Yes, Ganondorf is a demi-god by name and because he uses the power of a god, but that is not the only way to define a demi-god. Demi-gods can also be determined by way of power, and with the amount of power Sephiroth poseses he would easily fall in the ranks of demi-god.


DIN! The Essense of DIN in Concentrated FORM is the TRI-Force of POWER. I did some research, this is what I found:

"According to the Hylian scrolls, the mythical goddesses descended from a distant nebula to the world that was and created order and life. Din, the goddess of Power dyed the mountains red with fire and created land. Nayru, the goddess of Wisdom created science and wizardry and brought order to nature. And Farore, the goddess of Courage, through justice and vigor, created life-the animals that crawl the land and the birds that soar in the sky. After the goddesses had finished their work, they left the world, but not before creating a symbol of their strength, a golden triangle known as the Triforce. A small but marvel portion of the essence of the goddesses was held in this mighty artifact, which was to guide the intelligent life on the world of Hyrule."

Hey look! "A small but marvel portion" Not the complete thing, a small but marvel portion.

[Uchiha Ulquiorra]

That's what I don't like about these threads. People choose match ups that are totally one sided. Meaning that the other character or person would win easily. Anyways, back to the topic.

I think that Sephiroth would win. Ganondorf don't stand a chance against him.

[FarEastStyle]

I don't know how to dumb down something this simple,but for you......I will try.
Now I can see that Ganondorf has alot of power nothing but power on his side,
The Tri-Force of Power, again the p word POWER, (hey evil ain't pretty),
Sephiroth on the other hand, I haven't heard anyone try to explain how much his power measures up to, (if someone did so intelligently point it out....I must have missed it)
So lets just try to compare just the power,
and leave all that extra stuff off, we might get somewhere wit this..

[red storm]

*sigh* Okay, here we go again.

Sephiroth is a clone of an alien life form called Jenova. Jenova's cells have the ability to manipulate the essence of earthborns, when earthborns with Jenova cells die and return to the lifestream they take the cells, or essence, of Jenova with them.

Doing this allows Sephiroth -who is a created out of Jenova cells- to manipulate the lifestream. In other words, he uses the power of a planet.

[KillerDragonX]

this one is hard but i go with sephiroth

[Mugetsu]

I dont really remember anything saying that Sephiroth can manipulate the life stream without the help of materia. I could be wrong though.
If link can defeat Gannondorf, Sephiroth definately can. I dont remember anyone saying you had to kill your opponent to win, just defeat them. Sephiroth has enough power to defeat Gannondorf based on his having Jenova cells in his body and master level materia. Not to mention that sword he carries around. He is also a trained soldier and sword and was considered the best. So he has skill, tequniques and power where as Gannon only has power and a few tequniques.
Skill + Tequnique + Power = Victory

[red storm]

Materia was only the catalyst to unseal Sephiroth's power. Much like, say, the ocarina of time and the jewels were needed to unseal the triforce.

[FarEastStyle]

*sigh* Okay, here we go again.

Sephiroth is a clone of an alien life form called Jenova. Jenova's cells have the ability to manipulate the essence of earthborns, when earthborns with Jenova cells die and return to the lifestream they take the cells, or essence, of Jenova with them.

Doing this allows Sephiroth -who is a created out of Jenova cells- to manipulate the lifestream. In other words, he uses the power of a planet.

ok so what your saying red spois that Sephiroth has the power of a planet
ok yes I see,but don't you think Ganondorf is a little above that, I mean come on the tri-force of power, Ganondorf had the power to turn the place he was banished to as a prison, to his own dark world.yeah.
ummm.OK..if thats it, seems Sephiroth doesn't have much of a advantage as one thought.

[red storm]

I believe we need to delve a little deeper then that. Asume for arguments sake, that Hyrule is a planet. A small one, but a planet. It took three gods to create said planet. Now, those three gods left a small portion of their power behind, being the triforce. Ganondorf has only one piece of the triforce, meaning only one-third of the triforce's true power. Now, we already know that the triforce itself is weaker then the gods, simple equotation shows 1 triforce of 1 god.

1/3 of 1/3 = 1/9 (for arguments sake I'll keep it simple, but it should be even less, seeing how the triforce is only a small portion of the goddesses true power)

Now, Sephiroth takes a more direct aproach, and brutally takes the planets power. This does not succeed fully, much thanks to Cloud and co. giving him only about 1/3 of the lifestreams force.

1/3 VS 1/9 = Sephiroth wins

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

Sephiroth roxxors.....heh....advent children rocked...

[SilverDragonUltimas]

If he didnt have his Tri-Force and Sephiroth didnt have his spells...??

With this Sephiroth could still revive.... As long as Jenova exists, Sephiroth exists... And Jenova is basically immortal...It took Jenova 2000 years to be woken up by Sephiroth in Nibelhiem.
She was Dead for 2000 years, she was FROZEN in the northern cave. If she was so powerful, why didn't she revive herself?. Because she was dead because she was killed by the Weapons and Cetra.

The Shinra Scientists Hojo mistook her for an Ancient, and put her on a cryotube for preservation(Still DEAD I might add).

Now Jenova had control over the Original Sephiroth(who had blonde hair).
Cloud Killed Sephiroth and Vice Versa.

The Sephiroth that Cloud sees are all copies made by Jenova.
What Cloud Fights is just Jenova after Jenova, using Sephiroth's memories and skills.

Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are exact copies of Sephiroth's skill with Hand to hand, Guns and Sword Each.

And to point out, Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz called Cloud Big Brother. That says right there that Cloud is a clone of Sephiroth after Cloud was killed after he killed Sephiroth by throughing him in the Reactor. Cloud, still with the Masamune in him, dead, was revived by Sephiroths Cells, which are a balanced form of Jenova and Human. Because if you were to inject anyone with Straight Jenova cells, as you all know, they would transform in to monsters.

In AC, Kadaj used the last remnant of Jenovas HEAD. And once that is gone, they're is no need or way for Sephiroth to return again. And Cloud is his own Personality. The rest of Jenovas body is gone, because it decayed out along time ago. All Sephiroth did was take the head, the body was already dead. He took the head with him into the Mako Reactor.

There are no more pure Jenova cells, so Kadaj just screwd Jenova.

CASE CLOSED!.

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She's already a part of the planet... If you've seen AC there's a black version of the lifestream... This is the souls of people that have died with geostigma... That means she isn't going anywhere... And neither is Sephiroth... Even if you were to destroy the planet it would just spread Jenova onto other worlds infecting the entire universe...(Which was Jenova's plan form the beginning.)YOU FORGET HOLY!!!. HOLY IS STILL INSIDE OF THE LIFESTREAM, Holy CounterACTS everything, THATS WHY EVERYONE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE WAS CURED. You actually think the Lifestream would let Jenova win?. I mean come on.

Dark Version of the LifesTream, WTF Man, what the PEOPLE WITH GEOSTIGMA IS THE DARK LIFESTREAM!. LOL, yeah sure, LOL......HOLY & THE CETRA PRAYING COUNTERSTRIKES THAT.

Geostigma isn't even on level of the Lifestream (maybe Cancer and diabeties, but no way near the Lifestream) Its a pale imitation of the LifeStream.

And if the Dark LifeStream is so strong, why didn't keep Sephiroth ALIVE when Cloud used OmniSlash Version 5, its Geostigma remember?. No more Geostigma because everyone is cured.

And if Jenova is in the lifestream, why isnt she so smart and BLOW up the planet like yous said, and take over the UNIVERSE. I mean, couldn't she have done that without going to the PLANET of the Cetras.

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Way to kill Sephiroth: 7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATIING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS.

(Remember, this isn't Final Fantasy 7 Rules, its just the way to kill Sephy.

*;) at Red Storm*

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(GeoStigma and Jenova Cells are the same. Its just that Geostigma is just a diluted form of Jenova.)

GeoStigma is a diluted form of Jenova Cells thats why no one was transforming into Monsters

Vicent: It seems that the cause is an overloading of the system to remove parasites in the body. There's a flow through the body like the LifeSTream. It fights against the invasion of harmful substances. The Sephiroth element, Jenova Cells, call it what you want.
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Kadaj claims that Geostigma is due to the Jenova Cells corrupting the Lifestream.
^Half Truth.

Vincent suspects that the trio is seeking to obtain the remains of Jenova to create another Sephiroth, and suggests that Geostigma is the result of Spirit Energy battling the Jenova cells within the body.
^Truth
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They're both like Eternal forms of Evil. They cancel each other out, and yet they still survive and fight on. They can cut the hell out of each other all they want to, and I know it would look Awesome, but they wouldn't be able to kill each other.*



Also... If you were to incorperate the FFVII materia system... The fight would end with Seph as the victor... With things like... Knights of the Round, Phoenix, W Summon, Final Attack, HP Absorb, Hades, and all that... I think it impossible for Ganondorf to win, let alone Link......Knights of the Round = Devestating Physical Attacks (That would knock him around all over the place, he might even like it, but it won't kill him.

Final Attack Linked W/Phoenix = Everytime Sephiroth is killed, Phoenix is summoned and the Fight starts again.

Hades Summon = Its Ailment attacks, Ganondorf is immune to status affects and elemental attacks, as proven with Fire and Ice Arrows. (Poison)

HP Absorb Linked w/any magic materia = Sephiroth gains health.

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YOU JUST REPEATED WHAT I JUST SAID BEFORE. The Fight would LAST for a LONG TIME. Why was it so hard for you to understand that for the FIRST TIME.

LIKE I SAID. The Fight would Last for a LONG TIME. Now you believe me.

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Also.... If Sephiroth really wanted to(It's never really been done before but it could work) he could inject that guy with some J cells and he would be under Jenova's control... Lol...So hes going to use a syringe to fight Ganondorf. Do you actually think Ganondorf is that lame to just stand there and take it. Besides he can't be hurt by conventional weaponry, if that was the case, the Hero if Time didn't need to be created. And even if the Cells managed to get into his body, he'd used the Tri-Force of Power to expell it.

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You said Ganonwhatever his face is immortal but thats only because of his TriForce... If its gone he's no longer immortal... How many times did I already state that. Really, think about it, how many times did I already say that.

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And you said some other stuff but i really didnt read all you posted... So that's all I'll say for now...We understand perfectly that your comprehension level is rather limited in scope.

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If you want to bring all this he can use this... Then Sephiroth could eqiuip some thief gloves use some sources to buff up his luck stats and use the steal materia to take away Ganonwhatever's Tri-Force power....Its Bonded with his Soul and he has to give it Up Willingly.

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And I guess Sephiorth would win cuz... I swear he never really dies... Lol... He's come back several times in the game and also in the movie...The Last ones with Jenova Cells were Loz and Yazoo, they still died. When Cloud and Vincent die, its over. And last time I checked, they are in full control.

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And as long as Jenova cells areon teh planet, Sephiroth will continue to live...
He dies in NibelHeim, dies at the end of the game, and his memory dies at the ENd of AC. The Sephiroth you see in the middle of the game is JENOVA, taking the form of Sephiroth.

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And I would like to add another thing, if the True Sephiroth was in the LifeStream, why didn't he haunt Cloud. If Cloud can see Aeris and Zack, why not Sephiroth!!!!?. Because he is not a Cetra, (and the fact Zack is Aeris FIRST BOYFRIEND.)-(For THOSE Who don't already know that).

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Ganondorf would be nothing without his TriForce thing...
Is there literally a ECHO in here?!!!!, I believe I said this BEFORE.

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And if you've seen Last Order... 1st Class SOLDIERs aretrainedin hand to hand combat as well... And you should know Sephiroth was the number one ranked SOLDIER... That would mean he was the strongest man on the planet at one point...
Strongest MAN....Ganondorf is more than a man with the TRI-Force of Power. He was already a very skilled Dark Mage before he even got the Tri-Force of Power.

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(I'm one of those people... I never played Ocorina of Time... So i woulnd't know... )

Umm... I don't know crap about this Ganondorf or whatever
......Now I know, Now I KNOW. Thats why I had repeat myself 20 Types over. You know absolutely NOTHING about Zelda.


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Sephiroth would win in a "I Quit Match" and if Ganondorf didn't wield the Tri-Force of Power. Even if Sephiroth uses his ultimate Attack and somehow fatally wounds Ganondorf, the Tri-Force of Power will restore him good as
new. *


Since they both have UNLIMITED MAGIC POWERS. Like I stated clearly before, over and
over again Its a dead EVEN. ACCEPT IT.*


5.)Win over Ganondorf with no Tri-Force of Power in 2 Seconds Flat (Need I say more,
because I've been stating this throughout the ENTIRE Thread)*


6.)Win over Ganondorf in Super Smash Brothers Melee because of his speed, reach and maneuverability
Now since I've stated this fact 4 times, 4 times, 4 times, 4 times. Here comes the peanut gallery with his OH so wise and divine predictions




You said Ganonwhatever his face is immortal but thats only because of his TriForce
... If its gone he's no longer immortal...
HOW LONG DID THOSE STATEMENTS TAKE TO SOAK IN YOUR MIND!. You must be a really dry sponge man, WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON, LSD!!!.

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I never claimed Sephiroth to be a god.
No one said you did. I said he FAILED in doing SO.

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You still asume everyone has to follow LoZ rules. Like I said, the people of Hyrule needed sages and special items because they lacked the power to beat Ganondorf without them. Sephiroth does not lack that power.

If thats the case, using Materia and Limit Breaks in the game is useless when
fighting beating Sephiroth.

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Then please explain why the hell he would want all three pieces of the triforce if they dim eachothers power?
The only reason it dims, is because there are 2 Pure Souls upholding the LAW and 1 Corrupt Soul fighting against them
Ganondorf wants the Whole Tri-force to be able to ReWrite Anything he wants. Time, Space, Reality, Rules and Facts. Example: Fire=Hot, Ice=Cold = Reverse it. Square Planets, etc, etc.

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[color=DarkOrange]Right, lets think for a moment. If the three gods left for the sacred realm, and Ganondorf was sealed in it, wouldn't that mean that all four of them were in the same place? Hmm, and lets think: We have here, the three gods that [i]created the triforce when they left. Wouldn't that mean that they might be stronger then Ganondorf with one triforce? Hmm, so that would mean that Ganondorf would be squashed like a bug. Demi-god or no, he stands no chance agains three full gods.


You deserve a whipped cream cookie.

"Din is one of the three creator goddesses of Hyrule, and arguably Termina. She, along with her sisters Nayru and Farore formed the world out of chaos, each providing their part in the process. According to Ocarina of Time, Din, "With her strong flaming arms, she cultivated the land and created the red earth. "Upon departure, they left the Triforce, the essence of their power, in the Sacred Realm."

They're not in the SACRED REALM. THEY LEFT IT ALL BEHIND.

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Now, he has converted the sacred realm into the dark world, which means he was not defeated. Could that mean that the gods might not be in the sacred realm?

Like I said before, they ain't there.

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Read back, the goddesses departed for the heavens, where they departed they left the triforce. That became the sacred realm. As to why he would want to acces it, hmmm
more power perhaps?

uhh, DUH!!!.

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Actually, right now Sephiroth doing just that. When people with Jenova cells die and become part of the planet, Jenova cells will enter the lifestream which would enable Sephiroth to manipulate the lifestream.

Holy, the Cetra and Aeris stopped it. Oh yeah, Cloud too.

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Anyway, define demi-god. Yes, Ganondorf is a demi-god by name and because he uses the power of a god, but that is not the only way to define a demi-god. Demi-gods can also be determined by way of power, and with the amount of power Sephiroth poseses
he would easily fall in the ranks of demi-god.


Demi-god Vs Demi-god...Hmmm, Reminds me of something I said before, what was it....hmmm, a draw?....

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I did some research, this is what I found:
"According to the Hylian scrolls, the mythical goddesses descended from a distant nebula to the world that was and created order and life. Din, the goddess of Power dyed the mountains red with fire and created land. Nayru, the goddess of Wisdom created science and wizardry and brought order to nature. And Farore, the goddess of Courage, through justice and vigor, created life-the animals that crawl the land and
the birds that soar in the sky. After the goddesses had finished their work, they left the world, but not before creating a symbol of their strength, a golden triangle known as the Triforce. A small but marvel portion of the essence of the goddesses was held in this mighty artifact, which was to guide the intelligent life on the world of Hyrule.[color=DarkOrange]"

Hey look! [u]"A small but marvel portion" Not the complete thing, a small but marvel
portion.
The goddesses have unlimited Energy, placing a small portion as you said in the artifact, yet its unlimited, size dosent matter. Unlimited is Unlimited. For
example, You never seen Hercules getting winded. His strength is always active. Just like Samson.

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That's what I don't like about these threads. People choose match ups that are totally one sided. Meaning that the other character or
person would win easily. Anyways, back to the topic.
I think that Sephiroth would win. Ganondorf don't stand a chance against him.

Good job in making your own post VOID.

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*sigh* Okay, here we go again.
Sephiroth is a clone of an alien life form called Jenova. Jenova's cells have the ability to manipulate the essence of earthborns, when earthborns with Jenova cells die and return to the lifestream they take the cells, or essence, of Jenova with them.
Doing this allows Sephiroth -who is a created out of Jenova cells- to manipulate the lifestream. In other words, he uses the power of a planet.

White Materia + Water = HOLY!.

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I dont remember anyone saying you had to kill your opponent to win, just defeat them.

So Cloud should've just talked to him and invited him to a party.

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Sephiroth has enough power to defeat Gannondorf based on his having Jenova cells in his body and master level materia. Not to mention that sword he carries around. He is also a trained soldier and sword and was considered the best. So he has skill, tequniques and power where as Gannon only has power and a few tequniques.
Skill + Tequnique + Power = Victory
Ganondorf was a Dark Mage before he had the Tri-Force. Sephiroth wasen't the only one who was trained in a Artfrom.

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I believe we need to delve a little deeper then that. Asume for arguments sake, that Hyrule is a planet. A small one, but a planet. It took three gods to create said planet. Now, those three gods left a small portion of their power behind, being the triforce. Ganondorf has only one piece of the triforce, meaning only one-third of the triforce's true power. Now, we already know that the triforce itself is weaker then the gods, simple equotation shows 1 triforce of 1 god.
1/3 of 1/3 = 1/9 (for arguments sake I'll keep it simple, but it should be even less, seeing how the triforce is only a small portion of the goddesses true power)
Now, Sephiroth takes a more direct aproach, and brutally takes the planets power. This does not succeed fully, much thanks to Cloud and co. giving him only about 1/3 of the lifestreams force.
1/3 VS 1/9 = Sephiroth wins
If its 1/9 of the Dins Power, how come hes a Demi-God. Demi-Gods are half of a GOD. Not 1/9. Broken Analogy I see.
1/3 = Sephiroth after Sucking the Power of the Planet
VS
1/2 = Ganondorf With the Triforce of Power
Winner = GANONDORF. BOYA

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"The scourge of Hyrule, Ganon has over the centuries repeatedly tried to conquer the nation, his desire for the Triforce keeping him alive. While Links and Zeldas have come and gone, Ganon has always endured, his hatred and desire providing him strength to continue on in his quest to rule first Hyrule, and then the world."
OH yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there it is. IMMORTAL

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Anything Else.

[red storm]

There are no more pure Jenova cells, so Kadaj just screwd Jenova.

CASE CLOSED!. correction, there are still Jenova cells in the lifestrea itself.



YOU FORGET HOLY!!!. HOLY IS STILL INSIDE OF THE LIFESTREAM, Holy CounterACTS everything, THATS WHY EVERYONE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE WAS CURED. You actually think the Lifestream would let Jenova win?. I mean come on.

Dark Version of the LifesTream, WTF Man, what the PEOPLE WITH GEOSTIGMA IS THE DARK LIFESTREAM!. LOL, yeah sure, LOL......HOLY & THE CETRA PRAYING COUNTERSTRIKES THAT.

Geostigma isn't even on level of the Lifestream (maybe Cancer and diabeties, but no way near the Lifestream) Its a pale imitation of the LifeStream. They cured everyone outside the lifestream, but like cancer, you can't efficiently cure what is already inside.


And if the Dark LifeStream is so strong, why didn't keep Sephiroth ALIVE when Cloud used OmniSlash Version 5, its Geostigma remember?. No more Geostigma because everyone is cured.

And if Jenova is in the lifestream, why isnt she so smart and BLOW up the planet like yous said, and take over the UNIVERSE. I mean, couldn't she have done that without going to the PLANET of the Cetras. I don't recall Sephiroth dying, I recall him retreating. As to why Jenova isn't blowing up the planet, like I said, Cloud and co. interupted the corruption, slowing it down tremendously. Yet, the corruption still continues.


Way to kill Sephiroth: 7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATIING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS.

(Remember, this isn't Final Fantasy 7 Rules, its just the way to kill Sephy.

*;) at Red Storm* *chuckles* I had that one comming, didn't I?

Lemme counter.

Way to kill Ganondorf: Play tennis, then cut of his tail when he goes über.


(GeoStigma and Jenova Cells are the same. Its just that Geostigma is just a diluted form of Jenova.) GeoStigma is a diluted form of Jenova Cells thats why no one was transforming into Monsters[/quote] Ehh, no. Geostigma is the infection of Jenova cells into a body, its not diluted, but as people are born naturally with them (note that apart from Cloud only children are affected) instead of having them injected, the procces runs differently.


Vicent: It seems that the cause is an overloading of the system to remove parasites in the body. There's a flow through the body like the LifeSTream. It fights against the invasion of harmful substances. The Sephiroth element, Jenova Cells, call it what you want.
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Kadaj claims that Geostigma is due to the Jenova Cells corrupting the Lifestream.
^Half Truth.

Vincent suspects that the trio is seeking to obtain the remains of Jenova to create another Sephiroth, and suggests that Geostigma is the result of Spirit Energy battling the Jenova cells within the body.
^Truth Might as well change Kadaj reasons to truth, since the two say the same thing.


Knights of the Round = Devestating Physical Attacks (That would knock him around all over the place, he might even like it, but it won't kill him.

Final Attack Linked W/Phoenix = Everytime Sephiroth is killed, Phoenix is summoned and the Fight starts again.

Hades Summon = Its Ailment attacks, Ganondorf is immune to status affects and elemental attacks, as proven with Fire and Ice Arrows. (Poison)

HP Absorb Linked w/any magic materia = Sephiroth gains health. Ice arrows poison? Since when? There is no poison attack in Zelda, thus you cannot know if Ganondorf is imume (I wouldn't be surprised, though).


So hes going to use a syringe to fight Ganondorf. Do you actually think Ganondorf is that lame to just stand there and take it. Besides he can't be hurt by conventional weaponry, if that was the case, the Hero if Time didn't need to be created. And even if the Cells managed to get into his body, he'd used the Tri-Force of Power to expell it. To MistaCloud: told you. Although Ganondorf can be hurt by conventional weaponry *cough*Goronsword*cough*


Its Bonded with his Soul and he has to give it Up Willingly. And we all know there is not a snowball chance in hell Ganndorf will do that.


The Last ones with Jenova Cells were Loz and Yazoo, they still died. When Cloud and Vincent die, its over. And last time I checked, they are in full control. There are still Jenova cells in the lifestream, giving every child born a small chance of getting Jenova cells. It'd much like a disease that runs in the blood. When those children die, the Jenova clls return to the lifestream, thus further corrupting it. It's a slow procces -es[ecially with all those interuptions- but it works like a charm.


And I would like to add another thing, if the True Sephiroth was in the LifeStream, why didn't he haunt Cloud. If Cloud can see Aeris and Zack, why not Sephiroth!!!!?. Because he is not a Cetra, (and the fact Zack is Aeris FIRST BOYFRIEND.)-(For THOSE Who don't already know that). Cloud only sees Aeris in times of crisis, Sephiroth was that crisis. It's not like you can say "Hey, I'm dead and part of the lifestream lets go visit my relatives!"


Strongest MAN....Ganondorf is more than a man with the TRI-Force of Power. He was already a very skilled Dark Mage before he even got the Tri-Force of Power. Valid point, can't argue with that.


......Now I know, Now I KNOW. Thats why I had repeat myself 20 Types over. You know absolutely NOTHING about Zelda. He might not, but I sure do.


If thats the case, using Materia and Limit Breaks in the game is useless when
fighting beating Sephiroth.
Limit breaks are a tad stronger then swiping around a sword normally, Magic is magic, and almost every spell in FFVII is tronger then the ones you recieve in Zelda. In fact, the only offensive spell you recieved was Din's fire, which primary use was the opening of dungeons and getting rid of a swarm of weak enemies. There are the arrows, but they are either a. weak or b. extremely mana draining


The only reason it dims, is because there are 2 Pure Souls upholding the LAW and 1 Corrupt Soul fighting against them
Ganondorf wants the Whole Tri-force to be able to ReWrite Anything he wants. Time, Space, Reality, Rules and Facts. Example: Fire=Hot, Ice=Cold = Reverse it. Square Planets, etc, etc. That explains that then.


You deserve a whipped cream cookie.

"Din is one of the three creator goddesses of Hyrule, and arguably Termina. She, along with her sisters Nayru and Farore formed the world out of chaos, each providing their part in the process. According to Ocarina of Time, Din, "With her strong flaming arms, she cultivated the land and created the red earth. "Upon departure, they left the Triforce, the essence of their power, in the Sacred Realm."

They're not in the SACRED REALM. THEY LEFT IT ALL BEHIND.
Hey, you were the one who claimed they were in the sacred realm, not me.


Like I said before, they ain't there.
Like I said, you said they were


uhh, DUH!!!.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself? You said "WTF would he want to have access to heaven and enter eternal bliss and remain when he when his desire says otherwise, nimrod." I explain, and now you act as if I'm stating what you said.


Holy, the Cetra and Aeris stopped it. Oh yeah, Cloud too.
They didn't stop it, they slowed it down.


Demi-god Vs Demi-god...Hmmm, Reminds me of something I said before, what was it....hmmm, a draw?....
Just because there are two demi-gods doesn't mean one can't be stronger.


The goddesses have unlimited Energy, placing a small portion as you said in the artifact, yet its unlimited, size dosent matter. Unlimited is Unlimited. For
example, You never seen Hercules getting winded. His strength is always active. Just like Samson.
Every energy has limits, unlimited doesn't exist, even for gods. Godessess seem like they have unlimited energy because they have a lot of it. And I have, in fact, seen Hercules getting winded, he just doesn'do so under normal circumstances.


White Materia + Water = HOLY!.
Holy + infection = slowed down, not stopped.


So Cloud should've just talked to him and invited him to a party.
You know... I can't help it but agree with you, that statement made absolutely no sence.



Ganondorf was a Dark Mage before he had the Tri-Force. Sephiroth wasen't the only one who was trained in a Artfrom. Truth.


If its 1/9 of the Dins Power, how come hes a Demi-God. Demi-Gods are half of a GOD. Not 1/9. Broken Analogy I see.
1/3 = Sephiroth after Sucking the Power of the Planet
VS
1/2 = Ganondorf With the Triforce of Power
Winner = GANONDORF. BOYA

*chuckles* Sorry, but you're saying that a demi-god always has 1/2 of a gods power? Then you are sadly mistaken. A demigod can be a person who uses 1/2 1/3 hell, even 1/100 of a gods power, and still be a demi-god, therefore my analysis is correct, and even easy on Ganondorf.


OH yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there it is. IMMORTAL
Ah, but its always Links and Zeldas, not Sephiroth. Like I said many times before, the Hyrulians need to seal him because they lack the power to destroy him. Sephiroth does not lack that power.

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Damn this is probably the best discussion I ever had.

[SilverDragonUltimas]

They cured everyone outside the lifestream, but like cancer, you can't efficiently cure what is already inside.
If you knew anything about Cancer, you would know that Cancer is just pretty much a VITAMIN deficiency (http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Am2nAZKLiet5VeddtgttaAZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBrZm xuajUyBGNvbG8DdwRzZWMDcXNzLXNwZWxs/SIG=15ee0c0l5/EXP=1128289222/**http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Ddef iciency%26sp%3D1%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dslv1-%26SpellState%3Dn-947998883_q-DZj6c2FMkoyA5GIL2Zy3QAABAA%2540%2540). Once those people outside the lifestream are Cured, they will eliminate anything that causes harm to the Lifestream. And eventually, the PH Level of the Lifestream will return to normal.

Over time, the Jenova cells will keep being diluted out of the SYSTEM
and each time a child is born, they have less and less of jenova in them until its eventually all gone.

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I don't recall Sephiroth dying, I recall him retreating. As to why Jenova isn't blowing up the planet, like I said, Cloud and co. interupted the corruption, slowing it down tremendously. Yet, the corruption still continues.
Retreating....hmmm, I thought he was Soldier 1st Class, I thought he didn't take no crap, why would he Retreat from Cloud when he had the upper hand?...So your saying that if the battle would to become too overwhelming, he'll just run off somewhere and lick his wounds?(Or just DIE like he did, so he wouldn't Lose)....guess so.

(That memory was killed. Kill the memory, kill the body, and Kadaj was killed. Same as if you were in the Matrix or dreaming, kill the memories and anything associated with it, and the body dies.)

(Hmmm, It seems that 7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS do work.)

The more people that die that are CURED will go into the lifestream, and diminish Jenova more and more until she is all GONE. PH Level back to Alkaline.

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Way to kill Ganondorf: Play tennis, then cut of his tail when he goes über.
DBZ, this is not lol.

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Ehh, no. Geostigma is the infection of Jenova cells into a body, its not diluted, but as people are born naturally with them (note that apart from Cloud only children are affected) instead of having them injected, the procces runs differently.It takes Kadaj to awaken them in the kids when he uses his shadowcreeper powers in the water, so yeah, the cells need a boost. Its diluted.

Rufus had Geostigma too, Marlene didn't WONDER WHY(She was in KALM).
It probably because Geostigma didn't affect the whole world, just Midgar.
And seeing that Midgar is no where near the entire population of the planet. Minute Jenova cells are going to run out.

And since your saying all the children of Midgar were born with Geostigma In AC, Within 2 years, yet they're all eight years old?. So women were already pregnant with those kids in FF7, but in 2 years, they all grew exponentially to the ages of 9 to 12 years of age. Dam, thats some good growth hormone.

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Ice arrows poison? Since when? There is no poison attack in Zelda, thus you cannot know if Ganondorf is imume (I wouldn't be surprised, though).
Yeah Ice Arrows, Light Arrows only stun him. Being that he's a demigod and a dark mage, Status Affects(Curses) are not going to do any harm.

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To MistaCloud: told you. Although Ganondorf can be hurt by conventional weaponry *cough*Goronsword*cough*
Big Goron Sword can't Fatally wounded him. Scratch yeah, but it wouldn't affect him. *HEAL*

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And we all know there is not a snowball chance in hell Ganndorf will do that.
Its a Miracle, something else got through.

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There are still Jenova cells in the lifestream, giving every child born a small chance of getting Jenova cells. It'd much like a disease that runs in the blood. When those children die, the Jenova clls return to the lifestream, thus further corrupting it. It's a slow procces -es[ecially with all those interuptions- but it works like a charm.
Yes there are still J-Cells in the LifeStream, giving every child born a SMALL CHANCE at obtaining them. Yet with holy as the cure, the children that are cured completely, when they
die and go back to the planet, expelling more and more of Jenova until its wiped out. Then more children will be born with more Pure Blood than Jenova. It may take generations for the planet to heal, but the fight is initially over.

As it proves with Red 13 with his pups at the begining AC and at the end of 7, everything is finished.

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Cloud only sees Aeris in times of crisis, Sephiroth was that crisis. It's not like you can say "Hey, I'm dead and part of the lifestream lets go visit my relatives!"
Hmmm, thats right, the true Sephiroth is dead, DEAD. Because when Cloud finished him off, his red lifeforce tried to return to the Lifestream, but guess what happend, the Lifestream didn't take him back and eradicated it. The LS snuffed it out.

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Hey, you were the one who claimed they were in the sacred realm, not me.
Like I said, you said they were.
Why do you keep contradicting yourself? You said "WTF would he want to have access to heaven and enter eternal bliss and remain when he when his desire says otherwise, nimrod." I explain, and now you act as if I'm stating what you said.
What you said.


If the three gods left for the sacred realm, and Ganondorf was sealed in it, wouldn't that mean that all four of them were in the same place?
I never said Heaven was the Sacred Realm, If that was the case everyone whos dead should be in the Sacred Realm. Heaven and the Sacred Realm are on to entirely different planes. Excuse me if I didn't make that CLEAR beforehand.

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They didn't stop it, they slowed it down.
They slowed it down, and after 300 years, Jenova will be no more.

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Just because there are two demi-gods doesn't mean one can't be stronger.
Sephiroth: Destructive powers of a demi-god.

Ganondorf: All powers of a demigod.

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Every energy has limits, unlimited doesn't exist, even for gods. Godessess seem like they have unlimited energy because they have a lot of it. And I have, in fact, seen Hercules getting winded, he just doesn'do so under normal circumstances.
(Atoms are Unlimited, Darkness is unlimited, Light is unlimited, Time is Unlimited, Water is Unlimited, Oxygen is Unlimited(Evident by all the Stars in the Universe).
Energy is inifinte. Just like anything you do makes friction. If energy wasen't infinite, they're be no life. NO life at all. Everything would stop. Cease to be. Empty space is seething with huge quantities of energy. Saying that energy is not unlimited, is saying that everytime a ATOM blows, no more takes its place, creating more energy, a process that happens more times than anyone can count within a minute.

Energy can be transformed and harnessed and it goes through cycles, Energy is Inifinte.

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8: Sephiroth also has unlimited magic power thanks to Jenova.
Since you stated that energy isn't unlimited, Jenova's unlimited energy usage can't sustain Mastered Final Attack Linked w/Phoenix more than 5 times. Magic is yet another form of energy.

Energy is constant-Energy cannot be desroyed.

Definition of Constant: Continually occurring or recurring
Synonyms: changeless, stable, stationary, steady, unchanging, unvarying
fast, fixed, hard-and-fast, immutable, inflexible, invariable, unalterable, unchangeable; established, set, settled; durable, enduring, lasting, permanent

EverLasting: lasting or enduring through all time
Synonyms: ceaseless, dateless, deathless, endless, eternal, immortal, permanent, perpetual, undying, unending.

OOOOoooooOOoOOoOooooo.

Hercules got winded, but never lost his Strength, Never lost his powers. He can't use them all up. His energy is always there. So its infinite.

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Holy + infection = slowed down, not stopped.
White Materia/Holy + Water + Evaporation + Precipitation = Cure + Geostigma = Slow down and going back to REALIGNMENT of the Planets PH Level.

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*chuckles* Sorry, but you're saying that a demi-god always has 1/2 of a gods power? Then you are sadly mistaken.
A demigod can be a person who uses 1/2 1/3 hell, even 1/100 of a gods power, and still be a demi-god, therefore my analysis is correct, and even easy on Ganondorf.
1/100 of a gods power. Wow, that must mean George W. Bush is a demi-god because everyone is blaming him for what Katrina did on THE BIG EASY(It ain't easy no more is it) LOL. YEAH RIGHT. That makes anyone
walking on the planet right now a demigod, no wait, a LESSER Demi-god. Then that makes Captain America a Lesser Demi-god because he uses the equivalent of 1/98 of a gods power. And all he can do is lift 800 pounds with supreme effort, is very athletic and has great manners. He still can't beat Ganondorf.

Ganondorf can use as much power as he wants within the 1/2 of being an Actual God.

The Tri-Force of Power dosen't need a recharge. This isn't the Green Lantern.

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Ah, but its always Links and Zeldas, not Sephiroth. Like I said many times before, the Hyrulians need to seal him because they lack the power to destroy him. Sephiroth does not lack that power. Damn this is probably the best discussion I ever had.


Sephiroth has enough power to defeat Gannondorf based on his having Jenova cells in his body and master level materia. Not to mention that sword he carries around. He is also a trained soldier and sword and was considered the best. So he has skill, tequniques and power where as Gannon only has power and a few tequniques.
Skill + Tequnique + Power = Victory
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"A Man who coveted the Supreme Power to subjugate all things under his hand and caused all the atrocities done not only in the legendary land of Hyrule but to all living creatures; a Will that stopped before nothing and esteemed no mean so insignificant to achieve his goals; a Being who with his darkened spirit brought Chaos, Sorrow, Hatred, War, Loss, and Pain; the Dark Clouds, the Great King of Evil, the Incarnation of Darkness: Ganondorf Dragmire, the sole son of Man who obtained the Power of the Gods through the sacred relic known as the Triforce. He was a Man born in hardships, hardened beneath the scorching sun, punished by the freezing night, and strengthened in the Dark Arts. He grew up mightier than any other known man before, possessed an evil but terribly cunning mind, ears that heard to no one but his own Voice, and a corrupted heart with love for no one but himself.
"Though his age is also unknown, it's probable that Ganondorf was quite old, taking on account the fact that his tutors by the time of Ocarina of Time were almost 400-years-old, this surely achieved through their magic since humans barely reach the centennial age. He was a well accomplished man in the ways of war and battle and his swordsmanship skills along with his dark powers were simply astonishing and he held great power within him, making him a probable and important participant in the Civil Wars that preceded not far from the events in Ocarina of Time."

And here everyone was saying that Ganondorf was a pushover.
Ganondorf has done more in 2 days then what Sephy's done during his lifetime.

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Sephiroth may be 1st Class Soldier considered to be the best by Shinra, had Jenova cells, been in a few wars, killed a small town, burning it to the ground, yet he was beat by a 16 year old kid with no Materia to start and Sephiroth still needs his mommie.

(Link on the other hand, and an entire factory in his pocket did manage to defeat Ganondorf).(Ganondorf is Mystical, Jenova is not). Most mystical things need to be SEALED Away. Like Nobonaga from Onimusha.

All it took was for Cloud to kill Sephiroth. Omnislash at the end of the game, And Omnislash at the end of AC.
7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATIING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS = Sephy Lose.

He can't just win on coolness points alone.

Theres nothing really special about Sephiroth. Jenova is dying, Sephiroth is now going to be just another random memory of Clouds.


I have to say I'm siding with Simon on this one, Sephiroth ain't all that special.

Now, I don't hate Sephiroth or anything, but Simon's right. There's nothing special about Sephiroth
:ninja:

[red storm]

If you knew anything about Cancer, you would know that Cancer is just pretty much a VITAMIN deficiency (http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Am2nAZKLiet5VeddtgttaAZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBrZm xuajUyBGNvbG8DdwRzZWMDcXNzLXNwZWxs/SIG=15ee0c0l5/EXP=1128289222/**http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Ddef iciency%26sp%3D1%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dslv1-%26SpellState%3Dn-947998883_q-DZj6c2FMkoyA5GIL2Zy3QAABAA%2540%2540). Once those people outside the lifestream are Cured, they will eliminate anything that causes harm to the Lifestream. And eventually, the PH Level of the Lifestream will return to normal.

Over time, the Jenova cells will keep being diluted out of the SYSTEM
and each time a child is born, they have less and less of jenova in them until its eventually all gone.
That's not how the lifestream works, the lifestream expands with each life that returns. When someone with Jenova cells is born, it doesn't mean that the Jenova cells leave the lifestream, it means that -just like cells- they replicate, which is why Jenova cells are easilly comparable to cancer.


Retreating....hmmm, I thought he was Soldier 1st Class, I thought he didn't take no crap, why would he Retreat from Cloud when he had the upper hand?...So your saying that if the battle would to become too overwhelming, he'll just run off somewhere and lick his wounds?(Or just DIE like he did, so he wouldn't Lose)....guess so.

(That memory was killed. Kill the memory, kill the body, and Kadaj was killed. Same as if you were in the Matrix or dreaming, kill the memories and anything associated with it, and the body dies.)

(Hmmm, It seems that 7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS do work.)
You can't kill a memory, as Sephiroth says 'I have no intention of becomming a memory' meaning he won't die, ever. Clouds über attack didn't kill Sephiroth, it killed Kadaj, who's body Sephiroth was using.


The more people that die that are CURED will go into the lifestream, and diminish Jenova more and more until she is all GONE. PH Level back to Alkaline.
Explained this already


DBZ, this is not lol.
Playing tennis with a sword is DBZ? When did that happen?


It takes Kadaj to awaken them in the kids when he uses his shadowcreeper powers in the water, so yeah, the cells need a boost. Its diluted.

Rufus had Geostigma too, Marlene didn't WONDER WHY(She was in KALM).
It probably because Geostigma didn't affect the whole world, just Midgar.
And seeing that Midgar is no where near the entire population of the planet. Minute Jenova cells are going to run out.
During the outbreak, everyone was back in Midgar.


And since your saying all the children of Midgar were born with Geostigma In AC, Within 2 years, yet they're all eight years old?. So women were already pregnant with those kids in FF7, but in 2 years, they all grew exponentially to the ages of 9 to 12 years of age. Dam, thats some good growth hormone.
Then I would like to hear your explanation why only kids (with the exeption of Rufus and Cloud) are affected


Yeah Ice Arrows, Light Arrows only stun him. Being that he's a demigod and a dark mage, Status Affects(Curses) are not going to do any harm.
I don't know about that, some status affects work on bosses as well (FFX, zombie)


Big Goron Sword can't Fatally wounded him. Scratch yeah, but it wouldn't affect him. *HEAL*
Funny, I recall fattaly wounding Ganon with my big goron's sword before finishing him with the master sword.


Its a Miracle, something else got through.
I suppose you missed the point where I did this before? I'm not some stupid fangirl, facts are facts.


Yes there are still J-Cells in the LifeStream, giving every child born a SMALL CHANCE at obtaining them. Yet with holy as the cure, the children that are cured completely, when they
die and go back to the planet, expelling more and more of Jenova until its wiped out. Then more children will be born with more Pure Blood than Jenova. It may take generations for the planet to heal, but the fight is initially over.

As it proves with Red 13 with his pups at the begining AC and at the end of 7, everything is finished.
Explained, scroll up.


Hmmm, thats right, the true Sephiroth is dead, DEAD. Because when Cloud finished him off, his red lifeforce tried to return to the Lifestream, but guess what happend, the Lifestream didn't take him back and eradicated it. The LS snuffed it out.
Jolly, then why is he still around? Simple, he IS in the lifestream, thanks to Jenova cells.


What you said.

I never said Heaven was the Sacred Realm, If that was the case everyone whos dead should be in the Sacred Realm. Heaven and the Sacred Realm are on to entirely different planes. Excuse me if I didn't make that CLEAR beforehand.
When I said whatever realm the gods went of to, YOU said the went to the sacred realm/


They slowed it down, and after 300 years, Jenova will be no more.
No, reason explained above.


Sephiroth: Destructive powers of a demi-god.

Ganondorf: All powers of a demigod.
Al powers would include creation, wisdom etc. Gannondorf has power, but only destructive.


(Atoms are Unlimited, Darkness is unlimited, Light is unlimited, Time is Unlimited, Water is Unlimited, Oxygen is Unlimited(Evident by all the Stars in the Universe).
Energy is inifinte. Just like anything you do makes friction. If energy wasen't infinite, they're be no life. NO life at all. Everything would stop. Cease to be. Empty space is seething with huge quantities of energy. Saying that energy is not unlimited, is saying that everytime a ATOM blows, no more takes its place, creating more energy, a process that happens more times than anyone can count within a minute.

Energy can be transformed and harnessed and it goes through cycles, Energy is Inifinte.
Granted, energy is unlimited, but physical bodies can channel only so much of it, god or not.


Hercules got winded, but never lost his Strength, Never lost his powers. He can't use them all up. His energy is always there. So its infinite.
And again, bodies can channel only so much of it, god or no.


White Materia/Holy + Water + Evaporation + Precipitation = Cure + Geostigma = Slow down and going back to REALIGNMENT of the Planets PH Level.
Bleagh, explained above.


1/100 of a gods power. Wow, that must mean George W. Bush is a demi-god because everyone is blaming him for what Katrina did on THE BIG EASY(It ain't easy no more is it) LOL. YEAH RIGHT. That makes anyone
walking on the planet right now a demigod, no wait, a LESSER Demi-god. Then that makes Captain America a Lesser Demi-god because he uses the equivalent of 1/98 of a gods power. And all he can do is lift 800 pounds with supreme effort, is very athletic and has great manners. He still can't beat Ganondorf.

Ganondorf can use as much power as he wants within the 1/2 of being an Actual God.
What the hell does Bush have to do with this? *sigh* that entire post made no sense at all.

I stand by my point, a god is extremely powerfull, thus 1/100 of a gods strength is not something to be taken as lightly as you do.


The Tri-Force of Power dosen't need a recharge. This isn't the Green Lantern.
Did I ever mention a recharge?


"A Man who coveted the Supreme Power to subjugate all things under his hand and caused all the atrocities done not only in the legendary land of Hyrule but to all living creatures; a Will that stopped before nothing and esteemed no mean so insignificant to achieve his goals; a Being who with his darkened spirit brought Chaos, Sorrow, Hatred, War, Loss, and Pain; the Dark Clouds, the Great King of Evil, the Incarnation of Darkness: Ganondorf Dragmire, the sole son of Man who obtained the Power of the Gods through the sacred relic known as the Triforce. He was a Man born in hardships, hardened beneath the scorching sun, punished by the freezing night, and strengthened in the Dark Arts. He grew up mightier than any other known man before, possessed an evil but terribly cunning mind, ears that heard to no one but his own Voice, and a corrupted heart with love for no one but himself.
"Though his age is also unknown, it's probable that Ganondorf was quite old, taking on account the fact that his tutors by the time of Ocarina of Time were almost 400-years-old, this surely achieved through their magic since humans barely reach the centennial age. He was a well accomplished man in the ways of war and battle and his swordsmanship skills along with his dark powers were simply astonishing and he held great power within him, making him a probable and important participant in the Civil Wars that preceded not far from the events in Ocarina of Time."

And here everyone was saying that Ganondorf was a pushover.
Ganondorf has done more in 2 days then what Sephy's done during his lifetime.
Do tell me whereever you found those two days.


Sephiroth may be 1st Class Soldier considered to be the best by Shinra, had Jenova cells, been in a few wars, killed a small town, burning it to the ground, yet he was beat by a 16 year old kid with no Materia to start and Sephiroth still needs his mommie.

(Link on the other hand, and an entire factory in his pocket did manage to defeat Ganondorf).(Ganondorf is Mystical, Jenova is not). Most mystical things need to be SEALED Away. Like Nobonaga from Onimusha.

All it took was for Cloud to kill Sephiroth. Omnislash at the end of the game, And Omnislash at the end of AC.
7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATIING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS = Sephy Lose.
Ganondorf was beaten by a few swordstrikes, not even a flashy attack such as Omnislash


He can't just win on coolness points alone.
I have said multiple times that I find Gannondorf a much cooler villan then Sephiroth, coolness has nothing to do with it.


Theres nothing really special about Sephiroth. Jenova is dying, Sephiroth is now going to be just another random memory of Clouds.
"I have no intention of becomming a memory" -Sephiroth, Advent Children.

Jenova cells are in the lifestream and as explained above, will continue to grow.


:ninja:
That post had little, no, nothing to do with who would win, I was just driven crazy by all the "OMG SEPHY PAWNZORZZ HES SO COOOOL!" posts with no valid argument.

I have come to the point where I have to agree that a battle between Seph and Ganondorf would not be as one-sided as I originally thought.

congratulations on getting me this far, few have done so when arguing with me.

[Giglamesh]

If you knew anything about Cancer, you would know that Cancer is just pretty much a VITAMIN deficiency (http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Am2nAZKLiet5VeddtgttaAZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBrZm xuajUyBGNvbG8DdwRzZWMDcXNzLXNwZWxs/SIG=15ee0c0l5/EXP=1128289222/**http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Ddef iciency%26sp%3D1%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dslv1-%26SpellState%3Dn-947998883_q-DZj6c2FMkoyA5GIL2Zy3QAABAA%2540%2540). Once those people outside the lifestream are Cured, they will eliminate anything that causes harm to the Lifestream. And eventually, the PH Level of the Lifestream will return to normal.

Over time, the Jenova cells will keep being diluted out of the SYSTEM
and each time a child is born, they have less and less of jenova in them until its eventually all gone.

*

Retreating....hmmm, I thought he was Soldier 1st Class, I thought he didn't take no crap, why would he Retreat from Cloud when he had the upper hand?...So your saying that if the battle would to become too overwhelming, he'll just run off somewhere and lick his wounds?(Or just DIE like he did, so he wouldn't Lose)....guess so.

(That memory was killed. Kill the memory, kill the body, and Kadaj was killed. Same as if you were in the Matrix or dreaming, kill the memories and anything associated with it, and the body dies.)

(Hmmm, It seems that 7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS do work.)

The more people that die that are CURED will go into the lifestream, and diminish Jenova more and more until she is all GONE. PH Level back to Alkaline.

*

DBZ, this is not lol.

*

It takes Kadaj to awaken them in the kids when he uses his shadowcreeper powers in the water, so yeah, the cells need a boost. Its diluted.

Rufus had Geostigma too, Marlene didn't WONDER WHY(She was in KALM).
It probably because Geostigma didn't affect the whole world, just Midgar.
And seeing that Midgar is no where near the entire population of the planet. Minute Jenova cells are going to run out.

And since your saying all the children of Midgar were born with Geostigma In AC, Within 2 years, yet they're all eight years old?. So women were already pregnant with those kids in FF7, but in 2 years, they all grew exponentially to the ages of 9 to 12 years of age. Dam, thats some good growth hormone.

*

Yeah Ice Arrows, Light Arrows only stun him. Being that he's a demigod and a dark mage, Status Affects(Curses) are not going to do any harm.

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Big Goron Sword can't Fatally wounded him. Scratch yeah, but it wouldn't affect him. *HEAL*

*

Its a Miracle, something else got through.

*

Yes there are still J-Cells in the LifeStream, giving every child born a SMALL CHANCE at obtaining them. Yet with holy as the cure, the children that are cured completely, when they
die and go back to the planet, expelling more and more of Jenova until its wiped out. Then more children will be born with more Pure Blood than Jenova. It may take generations for the planet to heal, but the fight is initially over.

As it proves with Red 13 with his pups at the begining AC and at the end of 7, everything is finished.

*

Hmmm, thats right, the true Sephiroth is dead, DEAD. Because when Cloud finished him off, his red lifeforce tried to return to the Lifestream, but guess what happend, the Lifestream didn't take him back and eradicated it. The LS snuffed it out.

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What you said.

I never said Heaven was the Sacred Realm, If that was the case everyone whos dead should be in the Sacred Realm. Heaven and the Sacred Realm are on to entirely different planes. Excuse me if I didn't make that CLEAR beforehand.

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They slowed it down, and after 300 years, Jenova will be no more.

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Sephiroth: Destructive powers of a demi-god.

Ganondorf: All powers of a demigod.

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(Atoms are Unlimited, Darkness is unlimited, Light is unlimited, Time is Unlimited, Water is Unlimited, Oxygen is Unlimited(Evident by all the Stars in the Universe).
Energy is inifinte. Just like anything you do makes friction. If energy wasen't infinite, they're be no life. NO life at all. Everything would stop. Cease to be. Empty space is seething with huge quantities of energy. Saying that energy is not unlimited, is saying that everytime a ATOM blows, no more takes its place, creating more energy, a process that happens more times than anyone can count within a minute.

Energy can be transformed and harnessed and it goes through cycles, Energy is Inifinte.

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Since you stated that energy isn't unlimited, Jenova's unlimited energy usage can't sustain Mastered Final Attack Linked w/Phoenix more than 5 times. Magic is yet another form of energy.

Energy is constant-Energy cannot be desroyed.

Definition of Constant: Continually occurring or recurring
Synonyms: changeless, stable, stationary, steady, unchanging, unvarying
fast, fixed, hard-and-fast, immutable, inflexible, invariable, unalterable, unchangeable; established, set, settled; durable, enduring, lasting, permanent

EverLasting: lasting or enduring through all time
Synonyms: ceaseless, dateless, deathless, endless, eternal, immortal, permanent, perpetual, undying, unending.

OOOOoooooOOoOOoOooooo.

Hercules got winded, but never lost his Strength, Never lost his powers. He can't use them all up. His energy is always there. So its infinite.

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White Materia/Holy + Water + Evaporation + Precipitation = Cure + Geostigma = Slow down and going back to REALIGNMENT of the Planets PH Level.

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1/100 of a gods power. Wow, that must mean George W. Bush is a demi-god because everyone is blaming him for what Katrina did on THE BIG EASY(It ain't easy no more is it) LOL. YEAH RIGHT. That makes anyone
walking on the planet right now a demigod, no wait, a LESSER Demi-god. Then that makes Captain America a Lesser Demi-god because he uses the equivalent of 1/98 of a gods power. And all he can do is lift 800 pounds with supreme effort, is very athletic and has great manners. He still can't beat Ganondorf.

Ganondorf can use as much power as he wants within the 1/2 of being an Actual God.

The Tri-Force of Power dosen't need a recharge. This isn't the Green Lantern.

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"A Man who coveted the Supreme Power to subjugate all things under his hand and caused all the atrocities done not only in the legendary land of Hyrule but to all living creatures; a Will that stopped before nothing and esteemed no mean so insignificant to achieve his goals; a Being who with his darkened spirit brought Chaos, Sorrow, Hatred, War, Loss, and Pain; the Dark Clouds, the Great King of Evil, the Incarnation of Darkness: Ganondorf Dragmire, the sole son of Man who obtained the Power of the Gods through the sacred relic known as the Triforce. He was a Man born in hardships, hardened beneath the scorching sun, punished by the freezing night, and strengthened in the Dark Arts. He grew up mightier than any other known man before, possessed an evil but terribly cunning mind, ears that heard to no one but his own Voice, and a corrupted heart with love for no one but himself.
"Though his age is also unknown, it's probable that Ganondorf was quite old, taking on account the fact that his tutors by the time of Ocarina of Time were almost 400-years-old, this surely achieved through their magic since humans barely reach the centennial age. He was a well accomplished man in the ways of war and battle and his swordsmanship skills along with his dark powers were simply astonishing and he held great power within him, making him a probable and important participant in the Civil Wars that preceded not far from the events in Ocarina of Time."

And here everyone was saying that Ganondorf was a pushover.
Ganondorf has done more in 2 days then what Sephy's done during his lifetime.

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Sephiroth may be 1st Class Soldier considered to be the best by Shinra, had Jenova cells, been in a few wars, killed a small town, burning it to the ground, yet he was beat by a 16 year old kid with no Materia to start and Sephiroth still needs his mommie.

(Link on the other hand, and an entire factory in his pocket did manage to defeat Ganondorf).(Ganondorf is Mystical, Jenova is not). Most mystical things need to be SEALED Away. Like Nobonaga from Onimusha.

All it took was for Cloud to kill Sephiroth. Omnislash at the end of the game, And Omnislash at the end of AC.
7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATIING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS = Sephy Lose.

He can't just win on coolness points alone.

Theres nothing really special about Sephiroth. Jenova is dying, Sephiroth is now going to be just another random memory of Clouds.

:ninja: lets see here, the only reason cloud won against sephiroth is because he might have been weak after waking up from being crystalized...
The reson i know this is the fact that theres a glitch in the game where you attack sephiroth without using omnislash.. cloud can kill seph only in the fact that Sephiroth had in fact "Just Awoke"......
there i rest my case......
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[MistaCloudStrife]

It took Jenova 2000 years to be woken up by Sephiroth in Nibelhiem.
She was Dead for 2000 years, she was FROZEN in the northern cave. If she was so powerful, why didn't she revive herself?. Because she was dead because she was killed by the Weapons and Cetra.

The Shinra Scientists Hojo mistook her for an Ancient, and put her on a cryotube for preservation(Still DEAD I might add).

Now Jenova had control over the Original Sephiroth(who had blonde hair).
Cloud Killed Sephiroth and Vice Versa.

The Sephiroth that Cloud sees are all copies made by Jenova.
What Cloud Fights is just Jenova after Jenova, using Sephiroth's memories and skills.

Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are exact copies of Sephiroth's skill with Hand to hand, Guns and Sword Each.

And to point out, Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz called Cloud Big Brother. That says right there that Cloud is a clone of Sephiroth after Cloud was killed after he killed Sephiroth by throughing him in the Reactor. Cloud, still with the Masamune in him, dead, was revived by Sephiroths Cells, which are a balanced form of Jenova and Human. Because if you were to inject anyone with Straight Jenova cells, as you all know, they would transform in to monsters.

In AC, Kadaj used the last remnant of Jenovas HEAD. And once that is gone, they're is no need or way for Sephiroth to return again. And Cloud is his own Personality. The rest of Jenovas body is gone, because it decayed out along time ago. All Sephiroth did was take the head, the body was already dead. He took the head with him into the Mako Reactor.

There are no more pure Jenova cells, so Kadaj just screwd Jenova.

CASE CLOSED!.


I don't know where you get your info, but alot of that is COMPLETELY FALSE... And believe me, I would know...

Jenova was never dead.... She can't be killed... She was sealed off by the Cetra after she killed off almost all of them... Thats why there are almost none of them left... They couldn't kill her... She was just sealed off....

The original Sephiroth had blonde hair............. BAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!! Nice one.... Shows how much you know pal... ^_~

And Jenova didn't create copies of Sephiroth.... Sephiroth was being recreated on top of the Norther Cave... His mind was still very active and he was projecting his image the entire time.... Of course he still needed the Black Materia to revive... Which is why he led Cloud there...Because he could control him..

And Kadaj and them aren't exact compies of Sephiroth... They are remnants... Pieces of Sephiroth... Not the complete version... In order to be a complete Sephiroth, they need Jenova....

And Cloud wasn't revived at all... Where the heck did you get that?! He never died AT ALL! He managed to survive the stabbing of the Masamune... And when he was found Hojo started testing on him and Zack... Injecting Jcells in them... It worked on Cloud but Zack had no effect on the Jcells...

And what the heck!?!? Sephiroth cells?? They never said anything about Sephiorth cells... Don't give any false information... They USED JENOVA CELLS... And you turn into a monster with straight Jenova cells!?!?? OMG, play the game again please... You obvously don't know what you're saying... The only person that turned into a monster from Jcells is Hojo... And thats because he tweaked the cells... I think you're thinking about Mako... They did that in the nibelhiem Reactor... Soldiers were completely submersed in Mako for long periods of time... THAT made them monsters... Not Jenova Cells... o.O

And he took the head because the rest was dead!?! Wow... Thats interesting... LOL... They NEVER EVER EVER explained why Sephiroth only took her head... Don't go making stuff up...



YOU FORGET HOLY!!!. HOLY IS STILL INSIDE OF THE LIFESTREAM, Holy CounterACTS everything, THATS WHY EVERYONE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE WAS CURED. You actually think the Lifestream would let Jenova win?. I mean come on.

Dark Version of the LifesTream, WTF Man, what the PEOPLE WITH GEOSTIGMA IS THE DARK LIFESTREAM!. LOL, yeah sure, LOL......HOLY & THE CETRA PRAYING COUNTERSTRIKES THAT.

Geostigma isn't even on level of the Lifestream (maybe Cancer and diabeties, but no way near the Lifestream) Its a pale imitation of the LifeStream.

And if the Dark LifeStream is so strong, why didn't keep Sephiroth ALIVE when Cloud used OmniSlash Version 5, its Geostigma remember?. No more Geostigma because everyone is cured.

And if Jenova is in the lifestream, why isnt she so smart and BLOW up the planet like yous said, and take over the UNIVERSE. I mean, couldn't she have done that without going to the PLANET of the Cetras.

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Way to kill Sephiroth: 7 MULTIPLE CONSECUTIVE DEVESTATIING BACK TO BACK ATTACKS.

(Remember, this isn't Final Fantasy 7 Rules, its just the way to kill Sephy.

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(GeoStigma and Jenova Cells are the same. Its just that Geostigma is just a diluted form of Jenova.)

GeoStigma is a diluted form of Jenova Cells thats why no one was transforming into Monsters

Vicent: It seems that the cause is an overloading of the system to remove parasites in the body. There's a flow through the body like the LifeSTream. It fights against the invasion of harmful substances. The Sephiroth element, Jenova Cells, call it what you want.
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Kadaj claims that Geostigma is due to the Jenova Cells corrupting the Lifestream.
^Half Truth.

Vincent suspects that the trio is seeking to obtain the remains of Jenova to create another Sephiroth, and suggests that Geostigma is the result of Spirit Energy battling the Jenova cells within the body.
^Truth


Really now... Quit making stuff up... If you REALLY TRULY played FFVII... You would know HOLY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! The thing that saved the planet in FFVII was the Planet itself... It sent out the lifestream to defeat Meteor... Holy didn't do anything at all... Come on now...

And when has the lifesteamever kept anyone alive?!?! It never does... Sephiroth returns to the lifesteam... Most likely the black lifestream... And the black lifestream prolly won't be gone for a long time to come...


Knights of the Round = Devestating Physical Attacks (That would knock him around all over the place, he might even like it, but it won't kill him.

Seriously... Have you ever played FFVII? He'll like being attacked like that? Hahaha... Sure man whatever...

Also... Have you ever heard of Hero Drinks? I doubt Ganondorf could survive hundreds of attacks all at once...

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Anyways.... I refuse to listen to your false FFVII information... Don't make stuff up...

Let me see a website where it explains when Jenova was dead for 2000 years, where Sephiroth has blonde hair, when Cloud dies and gets revived, and when he gets injected with Sephiroth cells...

Find that information somewhere thats NOT in your head... A credable webite...

I dare ya.

[BlueJade]

Yeah well, don't everyone get mad at me..but The case has been,..,closed, its a deadlock,all the views have been made on both sides 20x over.( and no need to call names:nono: )
unless you have something actually new to add..anyways.all these .vs. threads have to end on a outcome,this ones a tie.

[SilverDragonUltimas]

Last Question RED, this if for you and you only ;).



That's not how the lifestream works, the lifestream expands with each life that returns.
Planet Cetreon (This isn't canon, I'm just naming this for now) LifeStream, is not the same LifeStream on another planet. They're not connected. They're in their own Cycle.

Yeah I know, BUT not with NEW Life that comes from outer space, each LifeStream stays with its own. Jenova was never of and created by the Planet Cetreons LifeStream, she is a foreign element. Like a Virus. And Like a Virus, it will die if the cure is placed in the body.

Cured GeoStigmatic people are like White Blood Cells, the more people tha die return to the Lifestream with the cure, gradually chiping away at Jenova's Tumor.

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Red Storm: When someone with Jenova cells is born, it doesn't mean that the Jenova cells leave the lifestream, it means that -just like cells- they replicate, which is why Jenova cells are easilly comparable to cancer.
Yet how long can the Core of the Jenova Tumor sustain replication of Jenova cells, when people are cured and return back to the lifestream with the cure, weakening Jenova cells in the LifeStream over time, recycling itself. It doest kill the Jenova cells all at the same time, it just weakens until it can't duplicate at optimal strength anymore.

Cells are cells. The human body can't sustain itself on only 40% of Blood, and if it dipped lower than 40%, you need a blood transfusion, if not, your dead. Same with J-Cells. It takes time and energy to duplicate cells, and if more and more cells are being duplicated, that takes energy from jenova, and with the cure recycling through the Lifestream every generation, jenova copies itself less and less, giving Jenova less time to duplicate to become stronger to keep more Jenova cells in the lifestream.

500 years after the events of Adent Children, they're no more Jenova Cells. If you see the videos again, Trees are growing all over and around the old Midgar, and water is widely abundant....LifeStream is restored to full, the True.

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lets see here, the only reason cloud won against sephiroth is because he might have been weak after waking up from being crystalized...

The reson i know this is the fact that theres a glitch in the game where you attack sephiroth without using omnislash.. cloud can kill seph only in the fact that Sephiroth had in fact "Just Awoke"......

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What is the Time between when Cloud Gives him the Black Materia till you Fight him in the BLack Pit..A LONG TIME..He could have written a book for the time he was down there, being a chicken.
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OKAY MISTER HAPPY PANTS, YOUR MINE!!!!!.
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I don't know where you get your info, but alot of that is COMPLETELY FALSE... And believe me, I would know... Jenova was never dead.... She can't be killed... She was sealed off by the Cetra after she killed off almost all of them... Thats why there are almost none of them left... They couldn't kill her... She was just sealed off....

Look down, don't worry, clarification dosen't hurt.

"Jenova, according to the Jenova Project reports found in the basement of the Shin-Ra mansion in Nibelheim, crash-landed on the Planet during the time of the Ancients, when it was named 'The Crisis from the sky'. Jenova first appeared to the Ancients as a peaceful friend, but in time infected them with a disease capable of transforming them into monsters. The disease spread rapidly, destroying many of the Ancients and their culture. A small band of warriors managed to defeat Jenova and sealed its body away. The crater left by Jenova's landing never fully healed, and became a scar on the Planet."

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So, she made the Cetra turn into Monsters and
Her body was sealed away in the Northern Cave. So they just burried her. You don't have to blow up the body to smithereens to kill someone, you can just stab them to death or in the right spot. You can even burn them to death, hackem up, crush-em, kill the brain, heart attack, freeze the brain. LOL, you are so limited.
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I said DEAD as in having no Life to MOVE, you Moron. I mean crap, don't you know anything about being Flash Frozen, everything is still in tact, you're dead in the sense that you need to be reanimated. (Funny Though, she never went into the Lifestream).

Never dead...Hmm, then how did Professors Gast(who gave her the name 'Jenova') and Hojo transfer out of the Northern Cave without waking her up...I mean, you claim she was never dead, If I were to think like you, she would have awoken and killed Hojo and Gast...I wonder why she didn't. !!!! CAUSE SHE WAS DEAD !!!!.

So I was Right there.

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The original Sephiroth had blonde hair............. BAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!! Nice one.... Shows how much you know pal... ^_~

Strange, because I have the video where it shows that in the game. Yeah, when Cloud gives the BLack Materia to the Sephiroth in the materia, the light shines really bright, and it shows Sephy's hair a golden blonde color. I mean, if his hair was Silver, shouldn't it have shown a bright silver and not gold.

I am right here also.

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And Jenova didn't create copies of Sephiroth.... Sephiroth was being recreated on top of the Norther Cave... His mind was still very active and he was projecting his image the entire time.... Of course he still needed the Black

Materia to revive... Which is why he led Cloud there...Because he could control him..

Whatever the truth about why Jenova came to the Planet, the basic fact is that she was an alien with the rather useful ability to shapeshift. She appeared in various forms to the Cetra in order to scare them (and later to gain their trust); and appears in yet more different forms during the game - both when you fight her and when you see her body in the Shinra building and the Nibelheim Reactor. Her ability to shapeshift explains why she looks different every time you see her during the game. And how can he control Cloud again...what, Jenova Cells?. Well if thats the case, why wasent Vincent controlled by Sephiroth?. He has Jenova Cells.

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And Kadaj and them aren't exact compies of Sephiroth... They are remnants... Pieces of Sephiroth... Not the complete version... In order to be a complete Sephiroth, they need Jenova....

Of Course they're REMNANTS.
I SAID: Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are exact copies of Sephiroth's SKILL WITH HAND TO HAND COMBAT, GUNPLAY and SWORDWORK. I didn't say HIS MEMORIES, Like when Cloud OWNED him at the REACTOR.
If they remembered that, Cloud wouldn't be around no more. Dude Man!!!.

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And Cloud wasn't revived at all... Where the heck did you get that?! He never died AT ALL! He managed to survive the stabbing of the Masamune... And when he was found Hojo started testing on him and Zack... Injecting Jcells in them... It worked on Cloud but Zack had no effect on the Jcells...

OH, Stabbing, well, I saw Last Order and it was STABBINGS. Once in his Kidney, and one in his heart, then Cloud pulled the sword in on himself to get back on the platform, cutting up all his ateries, which results in MASSIVE BLOOD LOSS.

When it was all over, Zack was breathing, Cloud was not. So Cloud had died. It also explains why Cloud took more to the experiments than Zack. Cloud had clinically died, thats why when Zack and Cloud escaped, Cloud was catatonic. Zack was not.

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And he took the head because the rest was dead!?! Wow... Thats interesting... LOL... They NEVER EVER EVER explained why Sephiroth only took her head... Don't go making stuff up...

What Does the Head/Mind/Medulla oblongata contain?. Skills, Memories, Where the Temple of the Ancients is, The Black Materia, What TRUELY Jenova actually Is. Deductive REASONING MAN, I suggest you try it.

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Really now... Quit making stuff up... If you REALLY TRULY played FFVII... You would know HOLY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! The thing that saved the planet in FFVII was the Planet itself... It sent out the lifestream to defeat Meteor... Holy didn't do anything at all... Come on now...
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(I hope you never go to a Final Fantasy 7 Convention, cause if you ever do, they'll ripp you a BRAND NEW ONE 6x)

Holy: The highest-level white magic. Unlike other white magic, Holy inflicts damage, regardless of whether or not the target is undead. Alexander is a Holy-elemental summon.

FF7: The spell cast by Aeris Gainsborough's White Materia that she always kept in her hair, and believed to be useless. It is Holy that comes to stop Meteor at the end of the game.

Let me explain without this sounding too advanced for your sluggish mind. Holy Stopped Meteor in ITS TRACKS, it couldn't move. Thats when the Lifestream

DISMANTLED IT. Dismantle means to take apart until its nothing.

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And when has the lifesteamever kept anyone alive?!?! It never does... Sephiroth returns to the lifesteam... Most likely the black lifestream... And the black lifestream prolly won't be gone for a long time to come...



If you've seen AC there's a black version of the lifestream... This is the souls of people that have died with geostigma

UHYHHHHHHH. If the LifeStream dosen't keep anyone Alive, how can Sephiroth and Jenova be immortal and come back???? So people with Jenova Cells go the BLACK LIFESTREAM (HELL), and people without Jenova Cells, got to the WHITE LIFESTREAM (HEAVEN :) ) YAY. BREAK ME OFF A PEASE OV DAT KITKAT BAWR.(sarcastic tone). lol

Jenova can't make her own LifeStream, if she could, why would she go to Cetreon. I didn't see a Black LifeStream at the end of FF7. I didn't hear anything about a BLACK LIFESTREAM at all In Final Fantasy 7 (Note I said 7, not Advent Children). There is only one LifeStream PER PLANET. Its not like it was hit by a PHAZON METEOR and dimensionally split into 2 planets. One Dark, One Light. It ain't like that ~BRAH~. <LOL

"Sephiroth reveals to Cloud that the spirits of people who died with Geostigma would stain the planet thus allowing him to control it"

(I'm not denying that. Red Storm was right about this as well, yet I gave my reason as why its going to FADE.)

Since the LS never keeps anyone alive, why is Aeris spirit alive in the Lifestream?.

(If you don't know anything about PHAZON, go play Metriod PRIME, but I doubt you can, because evidently, your REFLEXES are GRAVELY out of tune.) ARRG, LAWL. Get yo Arrse to MARRRS. LOL

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Seriously... Have you ever played FFVII? He'll like being attacked like that? Hahaha... Sure man whatever... Also... Have you ever heard of Hero Drinks? I doubt Ganondorf could survive hundreds of attacks all at once...

mmmmm, duhhhh ummmm YUEAH. UHHHH OKAY, Hero Drink. I know it causes Barrier, M-Barrier and Haste, and what is that going to do with Ganon, I mean.....OAKY.

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And what the heck!?!? Sephiroth cells?? They never said anything about Sephiorth cells... Don't give any false information... They USED JENOVA CELLS... And you turn into a monster with straight Jenova cells!?!?? OMG, play the game again please... You obvously don't know what you're saying... The only person that turned into a monster from Jcells is Hojo... And thats because he tweaked the cells... I think you're thinking about Mako... They did that in the nibelhiem Reactor... Soldiers were completely submersed in Mako for long periods of time... THAT made them monsters... Not Jenova Cells... o.O
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Jenova Project
The term used to describe the experiments carried out by Professors Gast and Hojo. The basic way in which the experiments were carried out were that the subject(s) were infused/injected with cells extracted from Jenova's body. The subjects were then exposed to huge amounts of Mako energy, taken from one of the Mako reactors. The term "Jenova Project" does not apply to the earlier part of Jenova's existence (i.e. the 2000-odd years between when she landed on the Planet and when she was discovered by Gast and Hojo), just to the experiments that were performed.

Recruits who make it into SOLDIER undergo the process of Mako Infusion, Most of them didn't make it

Sephiroth and Cloud were the only specimens to survive the infusion and exposure to Mako energy.

(It is also used as one of the two main parts of the Jenova infusion process: one is the infusion of the subject with Jenova cells, the other is the exposure of the subject to large amounts of Mako energy.)

Many of the strengths attributed to Mako energy are later seen to be the result of Jenova cell injection. It is unclear what effect Mako has on the SOLDIER process.

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The only person that turned into a monster from Jcells is Hojo... And thats because he tweaked the cells

Tweaked the Cells. Okay, tell that to the Cetra who were transformed into monsters by just being exposed to Jenova's Cells, no tweaking there man.

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(What I realized)
Subjects are Injected with Jenova Cells and before they're body has a chance to transform into monsters, like the Cetra did, the Mako countered it and keep them in the balanced form. They keep the strength and abilities, yet stay in a human form.

Mako is similar to radioactive materials in that prolonged exposure can lead to genetic mutation that you claim make people monsters and not Jenova Cells.
(though this is discovered to be false in the game). OVER exposure to MAKO Alone causes poisoning, and ultimately death.

As a plot-device, Mako energy shares a number of notable similarities to nuclear energy in the real world. And just like Radiation, Too much exposure to Mako kills you.

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Anyways.... I refuse to listen to your false FFVII information... Don't make stuff up... Let me see a website where it explains when Jenova was dead for 2000 years, where Sephiroth has blonde hair, when Cloud dies and gets revived, and when he gets injected with Sephiroth cells...

Find that information somewhere thats NOT in your head... A credable webite... I dare ya.
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ooo Lookie, I founds it WOOOT, the precious

http://media.putfile.com/CloudHandsOvertheBlackMateria26

So you refuse to listen to OFFICIAL TRUTH. It dosen't make you wrong, but it dosent make you right EITHER. With the exception of Sephiroth Cells, I'm 98% percent right about everything I posted.

So you want the sources of the WEBSITES I went to, try to boost your intellect, then come around and post again, and REPEAT THE SAME THING I SAID, PROVING ME RIGHT?. SCREW THAT. Crap dude, you need Help. And about that comprehension problem of yours.....Are you dyslexic?

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Hmmm, since Jenova wasent "DEAD" for 2000 Years, she was just around doing, smoking pot???.

What else was she doin?. Was she making a NEW fall Fashion LINE, creating Eye-Ball BRA's and Titanium Coil Braids.

I mean, if you say she wasen't DEAD, the GAME Final Fantasy 7 should have taken place when the Cetra called Jenova. "The Crisis From the Sky".

First off, I am a AVID Final Fantasy 7 FAN. I bought the GAME 7 months before I bought my Playstation. THATS HOW HARDCORE I AM. For you to sit there and TELL Me, I don't know anything about Final Fantasy 7, and you try to point out my errors which are FACTUALLY TRUE. Your entire post right beforehand corrected yourself. It didn't correct me.

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[MistaCloudStrife]

Look down, don't worry, clarification dosen't hurt.

"Jenova, according to the Jenova Project reports found in the basement of the Shin-Ra mansion in Nibelheim, crash-landed on the Planet during the time of the Ancients, when it was named 'The Crisis from the sky'. Jenova first appeared to the Ancients as a peaceful friend, but in time infected them with a disease capable of transforming them into monsters. The disease spread rapidly, destroying many of the Ancients and their culture. A small band of warriors managed to defeat Jenova and sealed its body away. The crater left by Jenova's landing never fully healed, and became a scar on the Planet."

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So, she made the Cetra turn into Monsters and
Her body was sealed away in the Northern Cave. So they just burried her. You don't have to blow up the body to smithereens to kill someone, you can just stab them to death or in the right spot. You can even burn them to death, hackem up, crush-em, kill the brain, heart attack, freeze the brain. LOL, you are so limited.
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I said DEAD as in having no Life to MOVE, you Moron. I mean crap, don't you know anything about being Flash Frozen, everything is still in tact, you're dead in the sense that you need to be reanimated. (Funny Though, she never went into the Lifestream).

Never dead...Hmm, then how did Professors Gast(who gave her the name 'Jenova') and Hojo transfer out of the Northern Cave without waking her up...I mean, you claim she was never dead, If I were to think like you, she would have awoken and killed Hojo and Gast...I wonder why she didn't. !!!! CAUSE SHE WAS DEAD !!!!.

So I was Right there.


Dead as in not moving?? Haha... Come on now... Nice one... She wasn't dead... If she were dead how could she influence Sephiroth?? She controlled him... Meaning she would need to think... Meaning she would need to be alive... MEANING SHES NOT DEAD!....



Strange, because I have the video where it shows that in the game. Yeah, when Cloud gives the BLack Materia to the Sephiroth in the materia, the light shines really bright, and it shows Sephy's hair a golden blonde color. I mean, if his hair was Silver, shouldn't it have shown a bright silver and not gold.

I am right here also.


Hahahaha.... You see the movie right there... His hair is silver it turned into a different color after Cloud put the Black Materia in there and when teh light faded his hair was silver again... GOLD!?! What the heck... You think you're looking into the game but you can get fooled by that?? Oh thats really nice.



Well if thats the case, why wasent Vincent controlled by Sephiroth?. He has Jenova Cells.

FALSE INFORMATION.

Show me aquote from teh game where it states Hojo used Jenova cells on Vincent... Hojo doesnt just stab every test subject with Jenova cells... If that were so then Red XIII would be liek that as well.... And theres pretty much solid proof that Vincent doesn't have Jclls in him since he didnt get GEOSTIGMA in Advent Children...


mmmmm, duhhhh ummmm YUEAH. UHHHH OKAY, Hero Drink. I know it causes Barrier, M-Barrier and Haste, and what is that going to do with Ganon, I mean.....OAKY.

NOPE! WRONG!!!! Try again...



Jenova Project
The term used to describe the experiments carried out by Professors Gast and Hojo. The basic way in which the experiments were carried out were that the subject(s) were infused/injected with cells extracted from Jenova's body. The subjects were then exposed to huge amounts of Mako energy, taken from one of the Mako reactors. The term "Jenova Project" does not apply to the earlier part of Jenova's existence (i.e. the 2000-odd years between when she landed on the Planet and when she was discovered by Gast and Hojo), just to the experiments that were performed.

Recruits who make it into SOLDIER undergo the process of Mako Infusion, Most of them didn't make it

Sephiroth and Cloud were the only specimens to survive the infusion and exposure to Mako energy.

(It is also used as one of the two main parts of the Jenova infusion process: one is the infusion of the subject with Jenova cells, the other is the exposure of the subject to large amounts of Mako energy.)

Many of the strengths attributed to Mako energy are later seen to be the result of Jenova cell injection. It is unclear what effect Mako has on the SOLDIER process.

I see no Spehiroth cells being used in any of that... =P Only Jenova cells... Therefore I was right... No Sephiroth cells were used in ANY expirements... AT ALL.


Tweaked the Cells. Okay, tell that to the Cetra who were transformed into monsters by just being exposed to Jenova's Cells, no tweaking there man.

Hojo says himself he did something on the Jenova cells he injected into himself.



UHYHHHHHHH. If the LifeStream dosen't keep anyone Alive, how can Sephiroth and Jenova be immortal and come back???? So people with Jenova Cells go the BLACK LIFESTREAM (HELL), and people without Jenova Cells, got to the WHITE LIFESTREAM (HEAVEN ) YAY. BREAK ME OFF A PEASE OV DAT KITKAT BAWR.(sarcastic tone). lol

Jenova can't make her own LifeStream, if she could, why would she go to Cetreon. I didn't see a Black LifeStream at the end of FF7. I didn't hear anything about a BLACK LIFESTREAM at all In Final Fantasy 7 (Note I said 7, not Advent Children). There is only one LifeStream PER PLANET. Its not like it was hit by a PHAZON METEOR and dimensionally split into 2 planets. One Dark, One Light. It ain't like that ~BRAH~. <LOL

People die... thier life essence is basically the lifestream... Those that died with geostigma don't return to the lifestream... They basically made thier own...

Watch the Advent Children commentary before you say anything man... Seriously... You just make yourself sound stupid...



(I hope you never go to a Final Fantasy 7 Convention, cause if you ever do, they'll ripp you a BRAND NEW ONE 6x)

Holy: The highest-level white magic. Unlike other white magic, Holy inflicts damage, regardless of whether or not the target is undead. Alexander is a Holy-elemental summon.

FF7: The spell cast by Aeris Gainsborough's White Materia that she always kept in her hair, and believed to be useless. It is Holy that comes to stop Meteor at the end of the game.

Let me explain without this sounding too advanced for your sluggish mind. Holy Stopped Meteor in ITS TRACKS, it couldn't move. Thats when the Lifestream

DISMANTLED IT. Dismantle means to take apart until its nothing.

Haha...

I think YOU would be the one who would be "Ripped a new one"

Heres a quote straight from the game...

Red XIII: It's too late for Holy. Meteor is approaching the Planet. Holy is
having the opposite effect. Forget Midgar, we've gotta worry about the Planet!

Holy didn't do crap.... IN FACT it helped Meteor... It saw Midgar as a more harmful enemy to the planet than Meteor... And it was...

AND THEN! Something came out of the ground... OH MY! WHAT IS IT?! Here's another quote straight from the game...

Barret: What the hell is that......?

Cloud: ......Lifestream.

LIFESTREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT HOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get your information right... Haha...

[SilverDragonUltimas]

Hojo first appears in the game when the protagonists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagonist) infiltrate the Shin-Ra headquarters in Midgar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midgar) in an attempt to rescue Aerith, who has been kidnapped by Shin-Ra. They find her in Hojo's laboratory. Hojo places Aerith in an enclosure with Red XIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_XIII), claiming that he intends to breed them. However, the party manages to rescue both Aerith and Red XIII.

This scene is puzzling; although we know little about the biology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology) of the Final Fantasy VII world, Aerith and Red XIII are completely different species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species), and it seems highly unlikely that they would be genetically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics) compatible enough to produce offspring. The most plausible explanation is that Hojo was simply using the threat of rape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape) by an animal to intimidate Aerith. However, since Hojo tells even his fellow Shin-Ra officials that he plans to breed Aerith, there is some room for doubt.

The party encounters Hojo again at Costa del Sol, where they find him relaxing on the beach, surrounded by beautiful women. He taunts and insults the heroes before leaving. He appears again at the Northern Crater. There he calls Cloud a "failed experiment," refusing even to give him a number. This insult is the last in a series of traumas that finally prompts Cloud's mental breakdown.

Finally, near the end of the game, the party finds Hojo in Midgar once again. He explains that he is Sephiroth's father, and that he is planning to use a Mako cannon - which will destroy Midgar - to give his son the energy he needs. Hojo injects himself with Jenova cells, and attacks the party. As the Jenova cells take effect, he transforms into a deformed monstrosity during the battle. However, the protagonists eventually kill him.

Vincent can shape shift, but he has no control over it like Hojo and Sephiroth do. He has increased abilities, but he's not nearly as powerful as Sephiroth. After Hojo killed and then brought him back to life, he remained the same age he was at the time of his death.


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Dead as in not moving?? Haha... Come on now... Nice one... She wasn't dead... If she were dead how could she influence Sephiroth?? She controlled him... Meaning she would need to think... Meaning she would need to be alive... MEANING SHES NOT DEAD!....
Thats from Final Fantasy 7.
Sephiroth grew to be a powerful warrior; as the highest-ranking SOLDIER (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?SOLDIER), he was a great hero of the Wutai War (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?Wutai_War), and he inspired many young boys, including Cloud Strife (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?CloudStrife). After the war ended, and five years prior to FF7's main events, he was sent on a mission to Nibelheim (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?Nibelheim) with Zack (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?Zack) and two MPs, one of whom was Cloud. They were to investigate reports of monsters in the area, but what they found startled Sephiroth. Not only did they learn that Shinra was making monsters in the Mt. Nibel (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?Mt._Nibel) Mako Reactor (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?Mako_Reactor), but they also found a room marked with Jenova's name.

Both discoveries bothered Sephiroth, and he began to question his origins. Holing himself up in the basement of the Shinra Mansion (http://www.animeforum.com/cwick.pl?Shinra_Mansion), he read a great number of books, learning everything he could about the Jenova Project.

He eventually comes to the conclusion that he is an Ancient himself, and the worthy heir to the Planet. In a fit of madness, he storms out of the mansion, sets Nibelheim ablaze, and heads to the reactor, where he cuts off Jenova's head. He is confronted by a furious Cloud Strife, who throws him into the reactor's Mako.

2000 years man. 2000 YEARS. What part of 2000 years dormant INACTIVITY means to you. If you don't move for 2,000 years, what do you call that?. And not being able to get out of that.

So your saying Jenova has been controlling him for the 9 months inside the womb, controlling him during his training, before he's an Elite Soldier, During the Wutai War, before he reads the Shinra Reports in the Basement, And Jenova told him to cut her head off.
So, your saying, he never went insane, he was just being controlled by Jenova all those years. HAHAHAH

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Hahahaha.... You see the movie right there... His hair is silver it turned into a different color after Cloud put the Black Materia in there and when teh light faded his hair was silver again... GOLD!?! What the heck... You think you're looking into the game but you can get fooled by that?? Oh thats really nice.
If his hair IS TRUELY Silver, shouldn't it have shown a brighter silver and not gold.

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FALSE INFORMATION.

Show me aquote from teh game where it states Hojo used Jenova cells on Vincent... Hojo doesnt just stab every test subject with Jenova cells... If that were so then Red XIII would be liek that as well....
What, Hojo never had a CHANCE TO PUMP NANAKI WITH JENOVA CELLS WTF ARE YOU ON MAN!!!.

President Shinra: Hojo. How's the girl?

Hojo: As a specimen, she is inferior to her mother. I'm still in the process of
comparing her to her mother, Infalna, but for now the difference is 18%.

President Shinra: How long will the research take?

Hojo: Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our life time.
Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter. That's why we're
thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that could withstand our
research for a long time.

President Shinra: What about the Promised Land? Won't it hinder our plans?

Hojo: That's what I need to plan. The mother is strong... and yet has her
weaknesses.

President Shinra:: (to his folks) That concludes our meeting.

After everyone left.

Scarlet: (puzzled) Something stinks...

Back to the duct where Cloud is.

Cloud: They were talking about Aerith... right?

Barret: I dunno.

Tifa: Probably.

Cloud: Let's follow 'em.

Cloud goes out of the duct and down to the bathroom. Cloud's group goes to the
escalator that leads to the 67th floor.

Cloud: Hojo... huh...?

At the 67th floor...

Barret: I remembered him. That Hojo guy. He's in charge of the Shinra's Science
Department. Cloud, don't know him?

Cloud: This is the first time I've actually ever seen him. So... that's what he
looks like...

Cloud's folks move on. They hide.

Man: Is this today's specimen?

Hojo: Yes. We're starting right away. Raise it to the upper level. My precious
specimen... (looking at a specimen)

Hojo left. After that...

Tifa: Precious specimen...? Is it going to be used for a biological experiment?

Cloud: (looking at a specimen's tank) Jenova...

Cloud starts to flip out (reacting from Jenova). He recovered his sense.

Cloud: Jenova... Sephiroth's... So... they've brought it here.

Tifa: Cloud, be strong!

Cloud: Did you see it?

Barret: See what?

Cloud: It's moving... ...still alive?

Barret: Where's its #%$*#&$ head? This whole thing's stupid. Let's keep goin'.

Cloud's group takes the elevator to the 68th floor. At that floor...

Cloud: Aerith!

Hojo: Aerith? Oh, is that her name? What do you want?

Cloud: We're taking Aerith back.

Hojo: Outsiders......

Barret: Shoulda noticed it earlier, you...

Hojo: There's so many frivolous things in this world. (Barret point's his gun-
arm at him) Are you going to kill me? I don't think you should. The equipment
here is extremely delicate. Without me, who could operate it? Hmm?

Cloud: Ugh.

Hojo: That's right. I recommend you think things out logically before you make
any rash moves. Now bring in the Specimen!

The man brought up a red four-legged beast near Aerith.

Aerith: Cloud, help!

Cloud: What do you think you're doin'?

Hojo: Lending a helping hand to an endangered species... Both of them are on the
brink of extinction... If I don't help, all these animals will disappear.

Tifa: ...animal? That's terrible! Aerith is a human being!

Barret: You're gonna pay!

Cloud: Barret! Can't you do anything?

Barret: Awright!! Step back!

Hojo: Stop!!

Barret shoots at the glass door.

Hojo: Wh...what are you do-- Oh! My precious specimens...

The door opened. The red four-legged beast came out and attack Hojo.

Cloud: Now's our chance to get Aerith!

Aerith: Thanks, Cloud.

Tifa: Cloud... what's wrong?

Cloud: ...The elevator is moving.

Hojo: This is no ordinary specimen. This is a very ferocious specimen!

Specimen: He's rather strong. I'll help you all out.

Tifa: It talked!?

Specimen: I'll talk as much as you want later, Miss.

Cloud: We'll take care of that monster. Somebody take Aeris somewhere safe...
Tifa, I'm countin' on you! (to the specimen) What's your name?

Red XIII: Hojo has named me, Red XIII. A name with no meaning whatsoever to me.

Cloud: Come on!

Cloud's group fight Sample:HO512 and Sample:HO512-opts. After defeating them...

Cloud: Aerith, you all right?

Tifa: She seems all right, ...in many ways.

Red XIII: I have a right to choose, too. I don't like two-legged things.

Barret: What are you?

Red XIII: An informed question. But difficult to answer. I am what you
see. ...You must have many questions, but first, let's get out of here. I'll
lead the way.

Aeris: Cloud... so you did come for me.

Red XIII: I apologize for what happened back there. I was merely acting to throw
Hojo off guard......

Barret: Now we've saved Aeris, ain't no need to be is this buildin'! So let's
get the hell outta here!

Cloud: If all five of us together, we'll be noticed. Let's break up in two
groups.

Cloud chose Barret and Tifa to go with him.

Aeris: I'll see you later!! We'll be waiting at the 66th floor Elevator.

Red XIII: Don't be late. Do you know where the Elevator is? The 66th Floor!

Cloud's group proceeds to the elevator, before he can even press the elevator
button.

Cloud: H, hey! What is it?

Rude: Would you press 'Up' please?

Cloud: Turks? Must be a trap...

Tseng: It must have been a real thrill for you... Did you enjoy it?

Cloud: Ggh...

Later, Cloud's group was seized and they arrived at the President's office
handcuffed behind their backs.

Cloud: (to his folks) You all got caught, too? Where is Aerith!?

President Shinra: In a safe place. She's the last surviving Ancient... Don't you
know? They called themselves the Cetra, and lived thousands of years ago. Now
they are just a forgotten page in history.

Red XIII: Cetra... That girl, is she a survivor of the Cetra?

President Shinra: Cetra, or the Ancients will show us the way to the 'Promised
Land.' I'm expecting a lot out of her.

Red XIII: The Promised Land? Isn't that just a legend?

President Shinra: Even so, it's just too appealing to not to pursue. It's been
said the Promised Land is very fertile. ...If the land is fertile...

Barret: Then there's gotta be Mako!

President Shinra: Exactly. That is why our money sucking Mako Reactor is
necessary. The abundant Mako will just come out on its own. That is where Neo-
Midgar will be built. Shinra's new glory...

Barret: #$*$#! Quit dreamin'!

President Shinra: Oh really, don't you know? These days all it takes for your
dreams to come true is money and power. Well, that is all for our meeting.

-

Cloud started to FLIP OUT. Not Nanaki. Dude man.

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And theres pretty much solid proof that Vincent doesn't have Jclls in him since he didnt get GEOSTIGMA in Advent Children...
So people who already have Jenova cells have Geostigma = Cloud
Children who never touched Jenova Cells have GeoStigma = The Kids
Rufus never had any Jenova Cells, yet he was infected with Geostigma.
So Geostigma choses who it wants to INFECT. Great, we have sentient viruses now.

Then explain how Vincents limit Breaks transform him into VARIOUS monsters?.

Didn't I just point out that The CETRA was tranformed into MONSTERS by JENOVA, did you miss that part.

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NOPE! WRONG!!!! Try again...
Hero Drink = Big Guard
Big Guard = Uses[barrier/Mbarrier/ Beach Plug Costa del Sol Beach
haste] on all allies. Wolfmeister Coal Train

Now your calling GameFaqs Liers.

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I see no Spehiroth cells being used in any of that... =P Only Jenova cells... Therefore I was right... No Sephiroth cells were used in ANY expirements... AT ALL.
Yeah, pat yourself on the back for getting one thing right. WOOT!.

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Hojo says himself he did something on the Jenova cells he injected into himself.
Yeah, the same "TWEAKING" on the Jenova Cells he did on Vincent, to make him have the ability to CONTROL the Jenova CELLS is body, and not the OTHER WAY AROUND.

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People die... thier life essence is basically the lifestream... Those that died with geostigma don't return to the lifestream... They basically made thier own...

Watch the Advent Children commentary before you say anything man... Seriously... You just make yourself sound stupid...
Red Storm and I explained that people with Geostigma return to the Lifestream. Now your saying that they can make their own. Whats going to happen when everyone is CURED from Geostigma, is the Black LifeStream still going to exist?. WTF man, get real.

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Haha... I think YOU would be the one who would be "Ripped a new one"

Heres a quote straight from the game...

Red XIII: It's too late for Holy. Meteor is approaching the Planet. Holy is
having the opposite effect. Forget Midgar, we've gotta worry about the Planet!
If Holy was useless, SquareSoft would have never placed it in the game.

Oh, your going to go on a red furry giving up hope, compared to the Knowledge of the Cetra who had the White Materia to counter the Black Materia. Holy was the power to HOLD It in place while the LifeStream Took it APART. I have the VIDEO. Funny, how all that time Meteor was near the planet, it never hit, and Holy waited long enough for the LS to come and do its job.

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Holy didn't do crap.... IN FACT it helped Meteor... It saw Midgar as a more harmful enemy to the planet than Meteor
Holy Held the WAIT of Meteor until the LifeStream Came.

... And it was... AND THEN! Something came out of the ground... OH MY! WHAT IS IT?! Here's another quote straight from the game...

Barret: What the hell is that......?

Cloud: ......Lifestream.

LIFESTREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT HOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get your information right... Haha...
[/QUOTE]Get My Information stright, I ALREADY SAID THAT THE LIFESTREAM
DISMANTLED IT METEOR.

Like I said before, With the exception of Sephiroth Cells, I'm 98% percent right about everything I posted.

With Gast gone, Hojo started to change the course of the research, using the cells of the alien being, codenamed Jenova, to perform human experiments. Vincent strongly objected to this on moral grounds, but refused to leave the project because of Lucretia. As his love for her grew, he began to think of leaving Turks to marry her and support her career, but when he proposed, he was shocked and horrified to find that she was engaged to Hojo. Undeterred, he continued to be devoted to her and the two had an affair, a matter that hojo seemed to care very little about. Lucretia became pregnant, but insisted that the child was Hojo's, not Vincent's, and quite suddenly broke off their relationship. Heartbroken, Vincent continued to love her from a distance, but when he learned that Hojo and Lucretia planned to infuse the fetus with Jenova cells, he once more intervened, arguing violently with Hojo over the morality of human experimentation. Hojo caught the young Turk off guard and shot him in the heart, killing him.

Not content with merely murdering Vincent, however, Hojo took advantage of a fresh body to perform another Jenova experiment, injecting alien cells into the mortal wound. To his delight, Vincent was resurrected, although still maintaining the appearance of a dead man, with little color to his skin. The insanity of the scientist became sadistically clear when he then hatched a plot to conceal Vincent's death and resurrection from Lucretia with a terrible plan. Surgically removing Vincent's left arm, he threw it to one of the large predatory lab animals to be chewed, then presented the arm as evidence to Lucretia of a horrifying suicide by her lover. Shocked and greiving, Lucretia refused to enter the lab again, allowing Hojo to keep his new specimen hidden away from her.

Hojo continued his experiments and soon discovered that Vincent was indeed different than he had been before his death. Somehow, a demonic creature from beyond had come back with him, the Galian Beast, who would erupt whenever Vincent was pushed to an extreme of pain or anger. Torturing Vincent became his obsession as he sought new ways to make Vincent turn into the Beast so that he could study him. This obsession only faded when Lucretia gave birth to a son, who she named Sephiroth. She was forced to abandon him, however, when the Jenova cells that had also been injected into her inflicted a terrible price in disease and disfigurement, laeving the infant in the cruel fate of being Hojo's other favored specimen.

Told by Hojo that Lucretia had died in childbirth, the captive Vincent devoted himself to caring for the baby, even after Hojo presented evidence to him that it was his son, not Vincent's. Both Vincent and the Galian Beast became so protective of Sephiroth that Hojo was eventually forced to choose which experiment to continue. More interested in the superhuman hybrid he had created than Vincent and his monster, he decided to put Vincent into stasis to prevent his further interference in his plans for Sephiroth. Vincent was sedated, fitted with a monstrous claw to replace his missing arm, and locked into a cryogenic coffin, then forgotten for 25 years.

[MistaCloudStrife]

*Sigh*.... Seriously... I don't trust a thing you say now...

HOLY didn't stop Meteor AT ALL!!! It had the opposite effect... Just like Red said... It HELPED Meteor destroy Midgar... It didn't hold it in place for Lifestream to help... Lifestream came on its own after Holy failed... Holy protects the planet... And Midgar was more dangerous than Meteor because Midgar sucks up the life energy from the planet... So it attacked Midgar along with meteor...

Geez... Get things right dude.


Man: Is this today's specimen?

Hojo: Yes. We're starting right away. Raise it to the upper level. My precious
specimen... (looking at a specimen)

Hojo left. After that...

Tifa: Precious specimen...? Is it going to be used for a biological experiment?

Cloud: (looking at a specimen's tank) Jenova...

Cloud starts to flip out (reacting from Jenova). He recovered his sense.


Where in there does it say Hojo was going to inject Red with Jcells?? NOWHERE... After Hojo was talking Cloud walks up to the ChryoTube and sees Jenova... The Specimen they talked about was RED... Jenova was never part of any of that... Geez dude, did you even play the game? Remember at LEAST that much...



So people who already have Jenova cells have Geostigma = Cloud
Children who never touched Jenova Cells have GeoStigma = The Kids
Rufus never had any Jenova Cells, yet he was infected with Geostigma.
So Geostigma choses who it wants to INFECT. Great, we have sentient viruses now.

Then explain how Vincents limit Breaks transform him into VARIOUS monsters?.

Didn't I just point out that The CETRA was tranformed into MONSTERS by JENOVA, did you miss that part.

Haha... Everyone with Jenova cells got geostigma... name one person that didn't get geostigma that had Jcells in him/her???

And look for ANYTHING IN FFVII that states Vincent had jenova cells in him... TEHERS NOTHING OF THE SORT... Because he can turn into monsters??? Ohh WOW! So could the kid in FFVI... Its an ability Hojo gave him... THEY NEVER SAID HE WAS INJECTED WITH J CELLS... Don't go ASSuming stuff...



If his hair IS TRUELY Silver, shouldn't it have shown a brighter silver and not gold.


*sigh* You know... Sephiroth was in a liquidy geup... If andy sort of light would eminate into it don't you think the light would be altered??? And even more so since its liquid mako... Mako crystalizes... And you know Crystals bend and change light into several colors... Therefore the light from the black materia changed the light to some other color... And of course Seph has a light colored hair... So his hair would reflect that color...

I don't know whats so hard to get about some reflection... -_-'


Thats from Final Fantasy 7.
Sephiroth grew to be a powerful warrior; as the highest-ranking SOLDIER, he was a great hero of the Wutai War, and he inspired many young boys, including Cloud Strife. After the war ended, and five years prior to FF7's main events, he was sent on a mission to Nibelheim with Zack and two MPs, one of whom was Cloud. They were to investigate reports of monsters in the area, but what they found startled Sephiroth. Not only did they learn that Shinra was making monsters in the Mt. Nibel Mako Reactor, but they also found a room marked with Jenova's name.

Both discoveries bothered Sephiroth, and he began to question his origins. Holing himself up in the basement of the Shinra Mansion, he read a great number of books, learning everything he could about the Jenova Project.

He eventually comes to the conclusion that he is an Ancient himself, and the worthy heir to the Planet. In a fit of madness, he storms out of the mansion, sets Nibelheim ablaze, and heads to the reactor, where he cuts off Jenova's head. He is confronted by a furious Cloud Strife, who throws him into the reactor's Mako.

2000 years man. 2000 YEARS. What part of 2000 years dormant INACTIVITY means to you. If you don't move for 2,000 years, what do you call that?. And not being able to get out of that.

So your saying Jenova has been controlling him for the 9 months inside the womb, controlling him during his training, before he's an Elite Soldier, During the Wutai War, before he reads the Shinra Reports in the Basement, And Jenova told him to cut her head off.
So, your saying, he never went insane, he was just being controlled by Jenova all those years. HAHAHAH

Where in here does it say that Jenova never died? And I never said he was being controlled by Jenova... That was never said in the game... Cloud was being controlled by Jenova... "You are just a puppet" Is what Jenova said... emaning she controlled him... And Sephiroth was being "INFLUENCED" by Jenova... he really thought he was her son... But she never took complete control of him... Why would there be need to since he would obey her anyways... And the reason why I say she didnt take control of him completely is because he was in teh basement for a long time... A REALLY long time... Meaning he was tryingto find out everything... So in the end he knew everything... And plus if he didn't want to be controlled he would act like Cloud did and get on his knees and have a panic attack... but he never did...

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And all you do is look at sites for your information... Can't you retain any of the game in your head? Oh wait... I'd rather you not do that since almost everything you say that you didn't get on a site is complete nonsense... And the stuff you get fromt eh sites are completely irrelavent tot eh questions or statments I've said...

And why does it take so long for you to answer? You really have to go around websites for an hour or so just to get the answer Mr.AVID-FFVII-FAN?

[red storm]

Last Question RED, this if for you and you only ;).

Planet Cetreon (This isn't canon, I'm just naming this for now) LifeStream, is not the same LifeStream on another planet. They're not connected. They're in their own Cycle.

Yeah I know, BUT not with NEW Life that comes from outer space, each LifeStream stays with its own. Jenova was never of and created by the Planet Cetreons LifeStream, she is a foreign element. Like a Virus. And Like a Virus, it will die if the cure is placed in the body.

Cured GeoStigmatic people are like White Blood Cells, the more people tha die return to the Lifestream with the cure, gradually chiping away at Jenova's Tumor. Correct, 'Cetreon's' cycle is not connected with the cycle of another planet, but with the infection of Jenova cells, it makes the inhabitants of Cetra the equvalment of cancer, and seeing how they are connected to the lifestream, the cancer slowly spreads. There is no cure for cancer other then destroying the cells that are wrong, yet if the cancer spreads trough the body this becomes imossible. This is exactly what happens here.

Cured geostigma people the cure? They are simply ordinary 'bloodcells' returning to the body, the infection on those may be cured, but that does not make them the cure for whats already inside.


Yet how long can the Core of the Jenova Tumor sustain replication of Jenova cells, when people are cured and return back to the lifestream with the cure, weakening Jenova cells in the LifeStream over time, recycling itself. It doest kill the Jenova cells all at the same time, it just weakens until it can't duplicate at optimal strength anymore.

Cells are cells. The human body can't sustain itself on only 40% of Blood, and if it dipped lower than 40%, you need a blood transfusion, if not, your dead. Same with J-Cells. It takes time and energy to duplicate cells, and if more and more cells are being duplicated, that takes energy from jenova, and with the cure recycling through the Lifestream every generation, jenova copies itself less and less, giving Jenova less time to duplicate to become stronger to keep more Jenova cells in the lifestream.

500 years after the events of Adent Children, they're no more Jenova Cells. If you see the videos again, Trees are growing all over and around the old Midgar, and water is widely abundant....LifeStream is restored to full, the True. When inside the lifestream, normal cell replication doesn't matter. It's the essence that is the problem. I'll take your own energy is unlimited argument (which, I agree with fullhearthy, by the way) to explain how this procces can keep on forever. Jenova cells inside the lifestream no longer have corporal bodies untill they a new infected human is born.


Strange, because I have the video where it shows that in the game. Yeah, when Cloud gives the BLack Materia to the Sephiroth in the materia, the light shines really bright, and it shows Sephy's hair a golden blonde color. I mean, if his hair was Silver, shouldn't it have shown a bright silver and not gold.

I am right here also.

You do realize that we are talking 1997 here, this game was the pioneer in 3d RPG's, you can expect flukes here and there. Before the black materia incident, Sephiroth had silver hair, meaning this was a bug, a fluke, whatever you want to call it.


UHYHHHHHHH. If the LifeStream dosen't keep anyone Alive, how can Sephiroth and Jenova be immortal and come back????
You explained that yourself a few lines below.


Since the LS never keeps anyone alive, why is Aeris spirit alive in the Lifestream?.
They don't keep corporal bodies alive, but their spirits remain as part of the lifestream.


mmmmm, duhhhh ummmm YUEAH. UHHHH OKAY, Hero Drink. I know it causes Barrier, M-Barrier and Haste, and what is that going to do with Ganon, I mean.....OAKY. Dunno, maybe barrier and M-barier significantly lower the damage Ganondorf can do, and with haste Sephiroth can hit twice as fast?


If Holy was useless, SquareSoft would have never placed it in the game.

Oh, your going to go on a red furry giving up hope, compared to the Knowledge of the Cetra who had the White Materia to counter the Black Materia. Holy was the power to HOLD It in place while the LifeStream Took it APART. I have the VIDEO. Funny, how all that time Meteor was near the planet, it never hit, and Holy waited long enough for the LS to come and do its job. Yes they would, its called 'plot device' If you went around for holy, the figure out it does nothing, it's perfectly normal for an RPG.

Take FFX (I know, bad example, but bare with me) You went trough the entire game looking for the 'final Aeon' but when you're finally about to get it, you figure out it has no effect at all! Sin keeps comming back.

-more to come-

[Hooded Bandit]

humm...I'd say Sephiroth.

[SilverDragonUltimas]

Then Holy appears, a point of white light gathering force and aimed directly at
Meteor. A huge hole opens up in Meteor, just the size of Midgar. As the power of Holy hits Meteor, red energy pours down onto Midgar pummelling it. Shocked, Cloud and the others observe that Holy is having the opposite effect. Then they see first one, then two, then hundreds of pinpricks of green light appear all over the Planets surface. They rush towards the column of Holy light. They all combine in a huge mass of energy, the Lifestream, Holy, Meteor and Midgar.
As Meteor begins to dissolve, the scene pulls out to reveal Aeris, surrounded by green light, smiling at you, the way she does at the beginning of the story...
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Once Sephiroth dies at the end, Meteor heads for Midgar. Midgar is arguably the "wound" of the planet all along. Characters throughout the game talk of the cries of the planet growing stronger in the years Midgar/Shinra have been
sucking Mako out of the planet. Remember early in the game the only place that flowers grow in Midgar is in Aeris church. With the glimpse of Aeris we see in the final moments it is implied that her consciousness had merged with the life stream and the combined power of Holy and Meteor generates enough force for the corruption of Midgar to be healed.



HOLY didn't stop Meteor AT ALL!!! It had the opposite effect... Just like Red said... It HELPED Meteor destroy Midgar
It was not COMPLETELY ANNIHILATED, its still there in AC. They're was never a massive wound like there was 2000 years ago that weakened the planet.

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NOPE! WRONG!!!! Try again...
Hero Drink Raises Ability Once During A Battle. Slightly. SO WHAT, Ganondorf wouldn't CARE, I don't cre. Hero Drink is a OVERGlorified Sports Drink. ex: RED BULL!.

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HOLY didn't stop Meteor AT ALL!!! It had the opposite effect... Just like Red said... It HELPED Meteor destroy Midgar... It didn't hold it in place for Lifestream to help... Lifestream came on its own after Holy failed... Holy protects the planet... And Midgar was more dangerous than Meteor because Midgar sucks up the life energy from the planet... So it attacked Midgar along with meteor...
Holy appeard to have an opposite effect because it was NOT Dismantling Meteor. Meteor was trying to Open up a WIDER wound in the PLANET and weaken it even more.

Holy never FAILED. Holy was cauterizing/closing/sealing the wound that Midgar MADE Before Meteor had a chance to opened it even more and cause MORE HARM.

Like I SAID BEFORE. The LifeStream DisMANTLED METEOR.

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Hojo says himself he did something on the Jenova cells he injected into himself.
From the Game Script:

Hojo: Heee, hee, hee, hee! No you're wrong! It's my desire as a scientist! Heee,
hee, hee, hee! I... was defeated by my desire to become a scientist. I lost the
last time as well. I've injected Jenova's cells into my own body! Heee, hee,
hee!
Here are...... Heee, hee, hee! ...my results!!

Cloud's group fights Hojo. Kills Him.

(Hmmm, I read no TWEAKING there.)

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Dead as in not moving?? Haha... Come on now... Nice one... She wasn't dead... If she were dead how could she influence Sephiroth?? She controlled him...
vs.



And I never said he was being controlled by Jenova... That was never said in the game
Your above quote states said that Jenova influenced him and Controlled Sephiroth,
Now your saying she didn't control Sephiroth...Which one of your statements is True?.

Was she controlling him all the time before NibelHeim
Or Was she controlling him 5 years later?.

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Where in there does it say Hojo was going to inject Red with Jcells?? NOWHERE...
This is What you SAID:



Hojo doesnt just stab every test subject with Jenova cells...
If that were so then Red XIII would be liek that as well....
AH...I never said Hojo WAS injecting Jenova Cells into Nanaki,
I pointed that out in the SCRIPT. He never Touched him.

I think you missed what I said:



What, Hojo never had a CHANCE TO PUMP NANAKI WITH JENOVA CELLS WTF ARE YOU ON MAN!!!.
Cloud started to FLIP OUT. Not Nanaki. Dude man.
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Haha... Everyone with Jenova cells got geostigma... name one person that didn't get geostigma that had Jcells in him/her???
Vincent.

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Show me aquote from teh game where it states Hojo used Jenova cells on Vincent...
VINCENT VALENTINE
How did he end up becoming a mutant?

After he discovered Hojo was experimenting on the pregnancy Lucrecia he
confronts him in the Mansion Lab. Hojo knocks him out and pumps him full of
Jenova, causing Vincent to become prone to mutation under stress (his Limit
Breaks). The full story of Vincent, Hojo and Lucrecia is explained in the
secret scene at Waterfall Cave (see transcript in the next section).

(Who was on the Jenova Project = Gast, Hojo, Lucretia, and Vincent.)
Why wouldn't he do that to Vincent?. Vincent had a AFFAIR with LUCRETIA!!!.

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And look for ANYTHING IN FFVII that states Vincent had jenova cells in him... TEHERS NOTHING OF THE SORT... Because he can turn into monsters??? Ohh WOW! So could the kid in FFVI... Its an ability Hojo gave him... THEY NEVER SAID HE WAS INJECTED WITH J CELLS... Don't go ASSuming stuff...
Ability BY WHAT MEANS?.
And what KID from Final Fantasy 3 are you refering to, because I do know of whom your speaking of, and he mimics enemies, not transforms into them.

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30 years ago.

- The Jenova Project is started. The goal Shinra are aiming for is the
creation of humans with the powers of the Ancients. It is not clear if Gast
knew of this, but Hojo the scientist sent to assist by Shinra most certainly
did.

Gast and Hojo start experimenting on Jenova. These are conducted in the
basement laboratory of Nibelheim Mansion. A young female scientist called
Lucrecia and a young Turk called Vincent (sent to keep an eye on things) are
also present.

As the experiments progress, Vincent falls in love with Lucrecia. However she
is in love with Hojo and declines Vincent's proposal of marriage. Lucrecia
becomes pregnant by Hojo. Hojo, having no luck using full-grown humans and
creatures in his Jenova experiments, decides to use his unborn child instead.
He injects Lucrecia and the baby with Jenova cells. Lucrecia becomes very sick and upon delivering the baby, finally becomes altered beyond recovery.

Vincent in a rage confronts Hojo. But he is incapacitated by Hojo and subject
to more Jenova treatments. He becomes another twisted monster like the rejects being stored in pods at the Nibelheim Mako Plant.

Hojo then stores Jenova in the Mako Plant and takes his perfect newborn baby son away to Midgar and Shinra headquarters where he can be raised and observed as he grows. The boy is named Sephiroth and he is never told who his parents are.

At some point Professor Gast left the project, most likely after Hojo began his
warped experiments on live people. Realising he had no way of stopping the
Shinra scientist he decided to get away before Shinra decided he is no longer
useful.

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The J cells were injected into each of them in different ways, werent they? Its often said Sephiroth is the child of Jenova and when you know how he was born its understandable, right?

Wasnt whatever Hojo did to Vincent experimental? Different methods, different effects?

Vincent Valentine, Turk: The second member of the Jenova project, he was one of the few unwilling members.

After being incapacitated by Dr. Hojo of the Shinra Science Department, he was brought back to life, and used as a test subject for the newly begun Jenova Project.

His DNA was infused with many extinct animals, and when in deep emotional stress he reverts to these forms. He was the only member to not be treated with Mako; this is why he now has a claw on one arm—he most likely lost it to a Jenova infection. This also explains his obsession with Lucrecia, a scientist and former lover or friend (we may never know, as she died giving birth to Sephiroth), and his depression and self loathing. Strangely enough, the Jenova does not appear to give him extra strength, nor intelligence, nor when the people who have Jenova are called upon by Sephiroth does he acknowledge the call.
Vincent is a strange case of Jenova cell implantation. Nothing appears to separate him from other

subjects, except the fact he lost part of his arm to infection and that he has the animal DNA in his system. Vincent also displays a strange form of self-punishment; sleeping for extended periods of time. He has never aged since being in the Jenova project.

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And you know Crystals bend and change light into several colors... Therefore the light from the black materia changed the light to some other color
If that was the case, why didn't it flash all colors of the SPECTRUM since it was a Crystal.
Red, blue, Green, Violet, Orage.

"In optics, a prism is a device used to refract light, reflect it or break it up (to disperse it) into its constituent spectral colours (colours of the rainbow).

If its a glitch, then let it be a glitch.

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And all you do is look at sites for your information... Can't you retain any of the game in your head? Oh wait...
For someone who hasen't played the game in four years. I'm doing way better than you.

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I'd rather you not do that since almost everything you say that you didn't get on a site is complete nonsense...
I did get some stuff from certain websites. I had some doubts, but when I searched for some answers, I found out I was still right. Its not my fault your dyslexia is proving to be a chore for you.

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And the stuff you get fromt eh sites are completely irrelavent tot eh questions or statments I've said...
What is Irrelivent?. What I pointed out from the Game and From GameFAQs.com?. Are you saying that anyone else besides you whos played FF7 is wrong?.
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Let me see what I've already Proved to be actually TRUE in the GAME:

"Jenova, according to the Jenova Project reports found in the basement of the Shin-Ra mansion in Nibelheim, crash-landed on the Planet during the time of the Ancients, when it was named 'The Crisis from the sky'. Jenova first appeared to the Ancients as a peaceful friend, but in time infected them with a disease capable of transforming them into monsters. The disease spread rapidly, destroying many of the Ancients and their culture. A small band of warriors managed to defeat Jenova and sealed its body away. The crater left by Jenova's landing never fully healed, and became a scar on the Planet."

(She made the Cetra turn into Monsters)

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Dead as in not moving?? Haha... Come on now... Nice one... She wasn't dead... If she were dead how could she influence Sephiroth?? She controlled him... Meaning she would need to think... Meaning she would need to be alive... MEANING SHES NOT DEAD!....
31 years ago

- Professor Gast while excavating in Mount Nibel, finds Jenova inert in a
2000-year-old geological stratum. He takes Jenova to Nibelheim, where he
begins to research her origins and powers. At this point he believes her to be
an Ancient/Cetra. Shinra become very interested in his work and offer him
money and assistance to carry on.
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I said DEAD as in having no Life to MOVE, you Moron. I mean crap, don't you know anything about being Flash Frozen, everything is still in tact, you're dead in the sense that you need to be reanimated.

Do I have to get out my Dictionary and show you the DEFINITION OF DEAD.

DEAD:
1-Deprived of life : having died
2-Having the appearance of death : DEATHLY
3-Lacking power to move, feel, or respond : incapable of being stirred : Lacking feeling or sensitivity; numb or unresponsive : Physically inactive; dormant
4-Emotionally or intellectually : UNRESPONSIVE : EXTINGUISHED
5-INANIMATE, INERT <dead matter> : BARREN, INFERTILE : no longer producing or functioning : EXHAUSTED

6-No longer in use : OBSOLETE
7-No longer active : EXTINCT : lacking in gaiety or animation
8-Being out of action or out of use : STAGNANT
9-Devoid of former occupants
10-Devoid of life. DEAD applies literally to what is deprived of vital force but is used, figuratively of anything that has lost any attribute (as energy, activity, radiance) suggesting life

Now if you want to contend with the English Language, go right ahead, no one is stopping you.

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Nice one... She wasn't dead
Never dead?...Hmm, then how did Professors Gast(who gave her the name 'Jenova') and Hojo transfer out of the Northern Cave without waking her up...I mean, you claim she was never dead, If I were to think like you, she would have awoken and killed Hojo and Gast...I wonder why she didn't. !!!! CAUSE SHE WAS DEAD!!!!.
Explain that. And Explain why she didn't release herself during those 2000 years?.

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I SAID: Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz are exact copies of Sephiroth's SKILL WITH HAND TO HAND COMBAT, GUNPLAY and SWORDWORK. I didn't say HIS MEMORIES, Like when Cloud OWNED him at the REACTOR.
If they remembered that, Cloud wouldn't be around no more. Dude Man!!!.

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OH, Stabbing, well, I saw Last Order and it was STABBINGS. Once in his Kidney, and one in his heart, then Cloud pulled the sword in on himself to get back on the platform, cutting up all his ateries, which results in MASSIVE BLOOD LOSS.

When it was all over, Zack was breathing, Cloud was not. So Cloud had died. It also explains why Cloud took more to the experiments than Zack. Cloud had clinically died, thats why when Zack and

Cloud escaped, Cloud was catatonic. Zack was not.

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What Does the Head/Mind/Medulla oblongata contain?. Skills, Memories, Where the Temple of the Ancients is, The Black Materia, What TRUELY Jenova actually Is.

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Jenova Project
The term used to describe the experiments carried out by Professors Gast and Hojo. The basic way in which the experiments were carried out were that the subject(s) were infused/injected with cells extracted from Jenova's body. The subjects were then exposed to huge amounts of Mako energy, taken from one of the Mako reactors. The term "Jenova Project" does not apply to the earlier part of Jenova's existence (i.e. the 2000-odd years between when she landed on the Planet and when she was discovered by Gast and Hojo), just to the experiments that were performed.

Recruits who make it into SOLDIER undergo the process of Mako Infusion, Most of them didn't make it

Sephiroth and Cloud were the only specimens to survive the infusion and exposure to Mako energy.

(It is also used as one of the two main parts of the Jenova infusion process: one is the infusion of the subject with Jenova cells, the other is the exposure of the subject to large amounts of Mako energy.)

Many of the strengths attributed to Mako energy are later seen to be the result of Jenova cell injection. It is unclear what effect Mako has on the SOLDIER process.

(What I realized)
Subjects are Injected with Jenova Cells and before they're body has a chance to transform into monsters, like the Cetra did, the Mako countered it and keep them in the balanced form. They keep the strength and abilities, yet stay in a human form.

Mako is similar to radioactive materials in that prolonged exposure can lead to genetic mutation that you claim make people monsters and not Jenova Cells.
(though this is discovered to be false in the game). OVER exposure to MAKO Alone causes poisoning, and ultimately death.

As a plot-device, Mako energy shares a number of notable similarities to nuclear energy in the real world. And just like Radiation, Too much exposure to Mako kills you.

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And why does it take so long for you to answer?
(Take so long to answer?. LOL. Who died and raised you to the Level of Internet GOD (Rhetorical).

Why don't you go somewhere and fix yourself a nice hot mug of Green Tea and calm yourself down.) LMFAO, WTF man, I do have a life. I can sleep. Its not like I have Jenova cells of my own that keeps me up for 60 hours at a time. You act like I have the obligation to respond to you inside of a 10 second window.

I don't owe you anything, You may not have anything outside of AF, but I certainly do.
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You really have to go around websites for an hour or so just to get the answer Mr.AVID-FFVII-FAN?
Hey Bum, It dosent take me hour, Quit projecting yourself on ME. It takes 3 seconds for me to type the website in. And besides, I can take a break when and if I feel like it.
You don't control me in any shape, way or form, you're not even that important for me to respond to in the same day, let alone the same week.

:nono:

[MistaCloudStrife]

Then Holy appears, a point of white light gathering force and aimed directly at
Meteor. A huge hole opens up in Meteor, just the size of Midgar. As the power of Holy hits Meteor, red energy pours down onto Midgar pummelling it. Shocked, Cloud and the others observe that Holy is having the opposite effect. Then they see first one, then two, then hundreds of pinpricks of green light appear all over the Planets surface. They rush towards the column of Holy light. They all combine in a huge mass of energy, the Lifestream, Holy, Meteor and Midgar.
As Meteor begins to dissolve, the scene pulls out to reveal Aeris, surrounded by green light, smiling at you, the way she does at the beginning of the story...
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Once Sephiroth dies at the end, Meteor heads for Midgar. Midgar is arguably the "wound" of the planet all along. Characters throughout the game talk of the cries of the planet growing stronger in the years Midgar/Shinra have been
sucking Mako out of the planet. Remember early in the game the only place that flowers grow in Midgar is in Aeris church. With the glimpse of Aeris we see in the final moments it is implied that her consciousness had merged with the life stream and the combined power of Holy and Meteor generates enough force for the corruption of Midgar to be healed.

This actually supports me tahn it supports you... It never says that holy stopped meteor for the lifestream to "dismantle" it... But IT DID SAY it had the opposite effect they were hoping for...


It was not COMPLETELY ANNIHILATED, its still there in AC. They're was never a massive wound like there was 2000 years ago that weakened the planet.

There actually WAS A MASSIVE wound.... Constant draining of the planets spiritual energy from 8 reactors all at once is a WOUND TO THE PLANET! They said that ALL THE TIME int eh beginning of the game... Barret said it several times...So did Tifa... And Aeris... Geez man...


Hero Drink Raises Ability Once During A Battle. Slightly. SO WHAT, Ganondorf wouldn't CARE, I don't cre. Hero Drink is a OVERGlorified Sports Drink. ex: RED BULL!.

Slightly?? Haha... No...

Look this up...

Using several Hero Drinks and then using a Limit... Tell me the answer to this Mr.AVID-FFVII-FAN....


Holy appeard to have an opposite effect because it was NOT Dismantling Meteor. Meteor was trying to Open up a WIDER wound in the PLANET and weaken it even more.

Holy never FAILED. Holy was cauterizing/closing/sealing the wound that Midgar MADE Before Meteor had a chance to opened it even more and cause MORE HARM.

Like I SAID BEFORE. The LifeStream DisMANTLED METEOR.

Hahahaha.... Seemed? Where did you get that??? Don't go bringing your THEORIES into a debate... State facts, not opinions... It NEVER SAID INT HE GAME ONCE THAT HOLY STOPPED METEOR SO THAT LIFESTREAM COULD DISMANTLE IT.


Your above quote states said that Jenova influenced him and Controlled Sephiroth,
Now your saying she didn't control Sephiroth...Which one of your statements is True?.

Was she controlling him all the time before NibelHeim
Or Was she controlling him 5 years later?.

On both quotes I said she "influenced him"... And I should have reworded it to "Used him"...


Vincent.

VINCENT VALENTINE
How did he end up becoming a mutant?

After he discovered Hojo was experimenting on the pregnancy Lucrecia he
confronts him in the Mansion Lab. Hojo knocks him out and pumps him full of
Jenova, causing Vincent to become prone to mutation under stress (his Limit
Breaks). The full story of Vincent, Hojo and Lucrecia is explained in the
secret scene at Waterfall Cave (see transcript in the next section).

(Who was on the Jenova Project = Gast, Hojo, Lucretia, and Vincent.)
Why wouldn't he do that to Vincent?. Vincent had a AFFAIR with LUCRETIA!!!.[quote]

Vincent was NOT on the Jenova project... He was a part of the Turks... Only the scientists were part of the Jenova project... And Vincent and Lucrecia didn't ahve an affair... They were together to begin with but Lucrecia left him because she cared more about her work than Vincent...

And NOWHERE IN FFVII says that Vincent was pumped with jenova cells... YOU ARE STATING THEORIES again... Quit with the theories and state hard facts... Thoeries wont get you anywhere...

[quote]

30 years ago.

- The Jenova Project is started. The goal Shinra are aiming for is the
creation of humans with the powers of the Ancients. It is not clear if Gast
knew of this, but Hojo the scientist sent to assist by Shinra most certainly
did.

Gast and Hojo start experimenting on Jenova. These are conducted in the
basement laboratory of Nibelheim Mansion. A young female scientist called
Lucrecia and a young Turk called Vincent (sent to keep an eye on things) are
also present.

As the experiments progress, Vincent falls in love with Lucrecia. However she
is in love with Hojo and declines Vincent's proposal of marriage. Lucrecia
becomes pregnant by Hojo. Hojo, having no luck using full-grown humans and
creatures in his Jenova experiments, decides to use his unborn child instead.
He injects Lucrecia and the baby with Jenova cells. Lucrecia becomes very sick and upon delivering the baby, finally becomes altered beyond recovery.

Vincent in a rage confronts Hojo. But he is incapacitated by Hojo and subject
to more Jenova treatments. He becomes another twisted monster like the rejects being stored in pods at the Nibelheim Mako Plant.

Hojo then stores Jenova in the Mako Plant and takes his perfect newborn baby son away to Midgar and Shinra headquarters where he can be raised and observed as he grows. The boy is named Sephiroth and he is never told who his parents are.

At some point Professor Gast left the project, most likely after Hojo began his
warped experiments on live people. Realising he had no way of stopping the
Shinra scientist he decided to get away before Shinra decided he is no longer
useful.

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The J cells were injected into each of them in different ways, werent they? Its often said Sephiroth is the child of Jenova and when you know how he was born its understandable, right?

Wasnt whatever Hojo did to Vincent experimental? Different methods, different effects?

Vincent Valentine, Turk: The second member of the Jenova project, he was one of the few unwilling members.

After being incapacitated by Dr. Hojo of the Shinra Science Department, he was brought back to life, and used as a test subject for the newly begun Jenova Project.

His DNA was infused with many extinct animals, and when in deep emotional stress he reverts to these forms. He was the only member to not be treated with Mako; this is why he now has a claw on one arm—he most likely lost it to a Jenova infection. This also explains his obsession with Lucrecia, a scientist and former lover or friend (we may never know, as she died giving birth to Sephiroth), and his depression and self loathing. Strangely enough, the Jenova does not appear to give him extra strength, nor intelligence, nor when the people who have Jenova are called upon by Sephiroth does he acknowledge the call.
Vincent is a strange case of Jenova cell implantation. Nothing appears to separate him from other

subjects, except the fact he lost part of his arm to infection and that he has the animal DNA in his system. Vincent also displays a strange form of self-punishment; sleeping for extended periods of time. He has never aged since being in the Jenova project.

And I KNOW that isn't form the game... thats just somebody else who has the same opinion you do... LOL! AGAIN... Where you look for info online... don't get theories... get facts.


If that was the case, why didn't it flash all colors of the SPECTRUM since it was a Crystal.
Red, blue, Green, Violet, Orage.

"In optics, a prism is a device used to refract light, reflect it or break it up (to disperse it) into its constituent spectral colours (colours of the rainbow).

If its a glitch, then let it be a glitch.
Well either way, you know now that Sephiroth never had gold hair...=P


For someone who hasen't played the game in four years. I'm doing way better than you.
Lol... Think what you will... Most of your debating are just your personal opinions...


I did get some stuff from certain websites. I had some doubts, but when I searched for some answers, I found out I was still right. Its not my fault your dyslexia is proving to be a chore for you.
You get other opinions from sites... And the quotes you post from the game script don't even serve a purpose in the debating... Or if it does it's not debating my main point, its debating about something after that, just because you can't take my points head on, you have to avoid them...


- Professor Gast while excavating in Mount Nibel, finds Jenova inert in a
2000-year-old geological stratum. He takes Jenova to Nibelheim, where he
begins to research her origins and powers. At this point he believes her to be
an Ancient/Cetra. Shinra become very interested in his work and offer him
money and assistance to carry on.
-
I said DEAD as in having no Life to MOVE, you Moron. I mean crap, don't you know anything about being Flash Frozen, everything is still in tact, you're dead in the sense that you need to be reanimated.
And yet she's still alive... Capable of thought is still alive... As said here....


10-Devoid of life. DEAD applies literally to what is deprived of vital force but is used, figuratively of anything that has lost any attribute (as energy, activity, radiance) suggesting life

Thought is one of those attributes not lost... Therefore she wasn't really dead now was she?


OH, Stabbing, well, I saw Last Order and it was STABBINGS. Once in his Kidney, and one in his heart, then Cloud pulled the sword in on himself to get back on the platform, cutting up all his ateries, which results in MASSIVE BLOOD LOSS.

When it was all over, Zack was breathing, Cloud was not. So Cloud had died. It also explains why Cloud took more to the experiments than Zack. Cloud had clinically died, thats why when Zack and

Cloud escaped, Cloud was catatonic. Zack was not.

AGAIN WITH THE THEORIES...

NOWHERE IN THE GAME DID IT SAY CLOUD DIED... CLOUD NEVER SAID HE DIED... HOJO NEVER SAID HE DIED... THEREFORE HE DIDN'T DIE... HE JUST GOT STABBED...


Jenova Project
The term used to describe the experiments carried out by Professors Gast and Hojo. The basic way in which the experiments were carried out were that the subject(s) were infused/injected with cells extracted from Jenova's body. The subjects were then exposed to huge amounts of Mako energy, taken from one of the Mako reactors. The term "Jenova Project" does not apply to the earlier part of Jenova's existence (i.e. the 2000-odd years between when she landed on the Planet and when she was discovered by Gast and Hojo), just to the experiments that were performed.

Recruits who make it into SOLDIER undergo the process of Mako Infusion, Most of them didn't make it

Sephiroth and Cloud were the only specimens to survive the infusion and exposure to Mako energy.

(It is also used as one of the two main parts of the Jenova infusion process: one is the infusion of the subject with Jenova cells, the other is the exposure of the subject to large amounts of Mako energy.)

Many of the strengths attributed to Mako energy are later seen to be the result of Jenova cell injection. It is unclear what effect Mako has on the SOLDIER process.

(What I realized)
Subjects are Injected with Jenova Cells and before they're body has a chance to transform into monsters, like the Cetra did, the Mako countered it and keep them in the balanced form. They keep the strength and abilities, yet stay in a human form.

Mako is similar to radioactive materials in that prolonged exposure can lead to genetic mutation that you claim make people monsters and not Jenova Cells.
(though this is discovered to be false in the game). OVER exposure to MAKO Alone causes poisoning, and ultimately death.

As a plot-device, Mako energy shares a number of notable similarities to nuclear energy in the real world. And just like Radiation, Too much exposure to Mako kills you.

Most of these are theories as well...

Mako countering the Jenova cells huh?? And if not they turn into monsters huh?? Thats a theory... Never did it say anything like that in the game... Seriously... You can't debate with theories... it just doesn't work that way... Quit quoteing form other people and start quoting from the game...


Hey Bum, It dosent take me hour, Quit projecting yourself on ME. It takes 3 seconds for me to type the website in. And besides, I can take a break when and if I feel like it.
You don't control me in any shape, way or form, you're not even that important for me to respond to in the same day, let alone the same week.

Haha... I don't even use any websites... All I use is the game script... And thats just to get the quotes perfect... Lol... As for you, don't go getting other peoples theories on FFVII... Look for straight facts... Anything else is useless... FFVII has plenty of holes in it and all these years people try and fill them up with theory after theory... Don't get sucked into that because when you start believing all that even if it sounds like its true... It has a high probability of being COMPLETELY FALSE...

Especially the stuff about Vincent... You'll see when DoC comes out... =P

[YourShadow]

Hey Mista, Hey Mista,how come Sephiroth is so pretty. anyways:laugh:
^_^
any way I think Ganonndorf could have a good chance,
but Im not to sure about Sephiroth, uh.... I really don't know.

[Lucidian Dyne]

Okay, here's the thing fellas. I decided to be a sport, and I started reading from page one. After spending nearly 50 minutes trying to keep sense of everything inside my head, I stopped at the middle of page four and just decided on something.


I don't really feel like answering the question anymore!


Sweet mother of video gaming, can these points become any more arguable? Counterclaim against counterclaim and on into infinity! I'm not trying to ruin the spirit of the discussion, but come on! This topic started out fine until it degenerated into childish antics around page three. It's the proverbial "Mine's bigger than yours is!" scheme that I'm seeing here. I'm gonna approach this with something like:


"I'm satisfied with how big mine is, but I'm not going to waste the effort using it for something unnecessary."


Pardon the innuendo.


If there's anything I have to say related to the topic, it's this. I agree with some of what everyone says. But there are too many points that could be argued, and it consists of the following:


1) Points in their different timelines from which they are ripped and taken onto a common battlefield.
2) Whether or not the sum of their powers is limited to one appearance in a game or everything they're related to
3) The amount of philosophy you could inject into this. Example:

In "Link to the Past", Ganon had the ability to avoid being hurt if he wasn't exposed to an abnormal amount of light. If he was taken at the end of Wind Waker, dropped into the Final Fantasy realm, and we assume he is the sum of all things we recognize him as, could Ganon use his powers to burrow underground? Would Sephiroth be so bold as to rip the planet asunder in a pursuit to find him? It would kill Sephiroth because, agreeably, he is bonded to the planet. But as Mugenhagen shows in his observatory in Cosmo Canyon, the life of the planet is constantly siphoned by everyone occupying it. Even if Sephiroth couldn't catch him, the world would eventually be drained, and the planet lifeless. But could we think there's only Ganondorf and Sephiroth as the last two sentient beings on a planet? Would Sephiroth destroy the planet -- and in turn, himself -- just to get to Ganondorf? Can Sephiroth use the Shield Materia?


Okay, now. You guys see what I mean? There's too much that could be argued. Having said that, I refuse to vote for this poll.

[Lord Garma Zabi]

Yes indeed, this is a big mismatch. You got Ganandorf who has no real powers, while on the other hand you got Sephiroth who is more or less "pimped out" in everyway. If Ganon somehow got close enough to physically strike Seph, then he MAY stand a chance, but its doubtful. Too powerful of materias and his sword for Ganondorf to stand a remote chance. So here's how I see it. This list is all the ways he would stand a chance to survive:


Sephiroth with no materia- 45%
Sephiroth with materia-35%
Bizzaro Sephiroth-15%
Safer Sephiroth- 0%(instant pwnage)

As for this little FF VII debate, I must give it up to the one guy who mentioned all the info on this page about the Jenova cells and Mista Cloud Strife. This is the first time anywhere literally that anyone knew that much about the game except me. Honestly. Everywhere else I went people thought I was lying and tried to prove me wrong, so now I have proof. So hats off to you two for knowing before speaking. As for the man who said Sephiroth had blonde hair, its definetly grey dude, unless you got some puberty pic of Sephiroth somewhere during his boyband phase, its grey. And not that I actually know the answer to this, cuz I don't, but if he only took the head I would assume its because the rest is useless, and Sephiroth isn't a man to just carry stuff around he doesn't need. Or the head could have been the most powerful part at that stage. The only question I have if anyone knows it, is how did Sephiroth know where Cloud was to give the black materia to the jenova replica, did he sense the power of the black materia near him or was Jenova some how communicating with him or what, or was it Jenova that was controlling Cloud at that moment in the Temple of the Ancients. So many questions, tune in next time, lol.

[Kyo Kusanagi]

Debating is fine, but lets try to not insult each other in the process okay? Thats not only extremely in bad taste, its disrespectful.

[python862]

...
I can't believe you even have to ask, a frickin' moogle could pwn Ganondorf, it wouldn't take anyone near Sephiroth's skill level to trash him.
So, My vote is: Sephiroth, in under 3.5 seconds.
I'd say less than. .50 second. plus time to slice, hmm...1 second at most.

[Lord Garma Zabi]

Its funny how a debate that was specifically titled Ganandorf vs. Sephiroth turns into a FF 7 debate, yet still is allowed to stay. But my Zelda thread that always stayed on topic gets closed. Its just interesting to me, how about you guys?

[Showgan Jin]

Sephiroth is supose to be the strongest villain in rpg. (sqaresoft is the one who made him and sqaresoft has the strongest villans in rpg's... when they made ff7 they didnt want an other normal strong villain. they wanted something more then that... they planed to make someone close enough to be as strong as a god... so they made sephiroth, like a demi-god) they also made him so hard to freakin kill!! it makes u go insane!!!

http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/593_sephiroth.jpg

[gothic_neko_youkai]

Wow....Following Lucidian Dynes lead I read through from start to finish and I must agree with him, this thread got rather ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, it brought a smile to my face, it made me laugh, and it made me glad to see that there are still die hard Final Fantasy VII fans out there still.
But come on kids, this is just a mere question right? No need to get your panties in a twist over trivial manners.

Being that Sephiroth is my top favorite villian of all time I am of course going to always vote for him. Gannon would not last very long against him IF they were ever to face off.

http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/ACSephHawt!.jpghttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/sephiroth(AC)2.jpghttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/sephirothff7GIF.gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/GIFSephehglidedown.gif

[Dark Knight Zasz]

wow you people really enjoyed this didn't you.... anyways i look at it from this standpoint:

- Seph CAN die from taking large amounts of damage
- Ganon usually can only die by a silver arrow

now this is keeping with the zelda's i have played... a holy arrow, or silver arrow or whatever was always used to seal away Ganon... you can pummel him into the ground but without the killshot i doubt Ganon could be defeated... as for Seph i doubt very seriously Ganon has enough power to to even be close to 'par' with Seph.... In conclusion i believe they're even... Seph has near unlimited power, and Ganon can only be 'killed' by a holy or silver arrow = draw

[-Batman-]

Its funny how a debate that was specifically titled Ganandorf vs. Sephiroth turns into a FF 7 debate, yet still is allowed to stay. But my Zelda thread that always stayed on topic gets closed. Its just interesting to me, how about you guys?That's because this is Final Fantasy related. Anyway.

I'm not reading the argument, because I was bored after 3 posts. I'll just state my opinion.

Ganondorf. I think seph is cool and all, but...

Ganondorf was pretty much invincible, the only way to kill him when he's in his true form is by useing the Master Sword and the Light Arrows.

[[Deathscythe]]

I'm not reading the argument, because I was bored after 3 posts. I'll just state my opinion.Lol, same ^^;


Ganondorf. I think seph is cool and all, but...

Ganondorf was pretty much invincible, the only way to kill him when he's in his true form is by useing the Master Sword and the Light Arrows.'Nough said, and I totally agree.

[Dark Jen]

Sephiroth Vs. Ganondorf. Who will win?i dunno, ganon

[[Deathscythe]]

Sephiroth is supose to be the strongest villain in rpg. (sqaresoft is the one who made him and sqaresoft has the strongest villans in rpg's... when they made ff7 they didnt want an other normal strong villain. they wanted something more then that... they planed to make someone close enough to be as strong as a god... so they made sephiroth, like a demi-god)Yes yes and Sephiroth derived from the greek Sephirothum (or so say), meaning 'one who is equal to God'

But once again as said ^^;

To destroy Ganondorf you need to use the light arrows and the good'ole master sword, now does Sephiroth have any of that? NO! simple ^_^

[Astalle]

Sephiroth, No contest needed.

[-Batman-]

Red XIII: It's too late for Holy. Meteor is approaching the Planet. Holy is
having the opposite effect. Forget Midgar, we've gotta worry about the Planet!

Holy didn't do crap.... IN FACT it helped Meteor... It saw Midgar as a more harmful enemy to the planet than Meteor... And it was...

AND THEN! Something came out of the ground... OH MY! WHAT IS IT?! Here's another quote straight from the game...

Barret: What the hell is that......?

Cloud: ......Lifestream.

LIFESTREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT HOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get your information right... Haha...Wait...I just read this. What you are saying, in a nut shell...

Aerith died for no reason.
A good 10 hours of the game was completly pointless and a waste of time.Such as finding that staff with the submarine to find out where holy was...STEALING the submarine itself, and going all the way back to the ancient place to use the key AFTER you stop off at cosmo canyon to get RedXIII's grandfather.
If Holy was useless, than that means most of the things involved in FINDING Holy were pointless, because it didn't even help (Hell, it even speeded things up)

Wow...THAT is retarded.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Wait...I just read this. What you are saying, in a nut shell...

Aerith died for no reason.
A good 10 hours of the game was completly pointless and a waste of time.Such as finding that staff with the submarine to find out where holy was...STEALING the submarine itself, and going all the way back to the ancient place to use the key AFTER you stop off at cosmo canyon to get RedXIII's grandfather.
If Holy was useless, than that means most of the things involved in FINDING Holy were pointless, because it didn't even help (Hell, it even speeded things up)

Wow...THAT is retarded.In a nutshell... Holy was useless, and it did speed up the destruction of Midgar. Holy is used in case the planet is in danger. And it thought Midgar, which is stealing energy from the planet, was a greater threat than meteor. And it basically helped Meteor destroy Midgar.

NOW, the whole thing about Aeris' death having no reason. Not really true. If you pay attention to the end of the game, it shows Aeris in the lifestream. Now think about this. At the end of the game what ended up saving the planet instead of Holy? It was the lifestream. And I think having Aeris appear in the lifestream in the end of the game really isnt a coincidence. She was in the lifestream helping to stop meteor. She always comes through in the end.

Stealing the submarine wasn't just to get Holy too. It WAS but it was mainly used for the escape after you attained a Huge Materia. It was also used to fight Emerald Weapon, go into the crashed Gelnika, and find Lucrecia in the waterfall... Well the last one I named can be reached through a Gold Chocobo as well... But I doubt anyone would find that own without a stratagy guide or a friend.

Also, Holy and Aeris is what gave Cloud the motivation to fight on. It really isn't all useless. It adds to the story and character development of just about all the characters.

Also a quote from Red Storm.

Yes they would, its called 'plot device' If you went around for holy, the figure out it does nothing, it's perfectly normal for an RPG.

Take FFX (I know, bad example, but bare with me) You went trough the entire game looking for the 'final Aeon' but when you're finally about to get it, you figure out it has no effect at all! Sin keeps comming back.

-more to come-

[-Batman-]

Still, you didn't have to fight Emerald, or find Lucrecia,and the crashed Gelnika is optional as well.
I'm still hazy on the details, I havn't played the game in years and I only beat it once. That's why i was sure it was useless, but meh, whatever...you're the FF guy of the forum.

[Tobari]

Thinking.. Well I think Sephiroth, he has his great large sword, I don't know what its called... Leave me alone, anyways, I really don't think Um.. Ganondorf, could beat Sephiroth, really... anyways, I really don't know who Ganondorf is, so yeah.. xD I only know who Sephiroth is, I've played Final Fantasy 7, and beat it.. so yeah.

[kakashiskitty]

Sephiroth hands down!

[Apostolos]

Sephiroth all the wayi agreee hed tear ganon-what ever hes name is to peices...

[spireroth_1]

Sephiroth

[phoenix`]

Sephiroth of course.
eed I say more?

[Jackk]

Sephiroth Vs. Ganondorf. Who will win?Sephiroth, no doubt. Hes stronger, faster, has more endurance, has more magic, and is just better all-round