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Jakiao
04-02-2005, 09:41 PM
Terri Schiavo dies, and you all jump over it like it was some major issue in today's world. Yet, not even 9 hours after the Pope died, there isn't even a single post about it. Do you people honestly value Terri's story more than the Pope? Jesus. I thought about posting this a few hours ago, but I wanted to see if anyone would step up to it. It is just shameful that not one person thought it worthy to post about the Pope.

The Pope played a major role in putting an end to the Soviet Union through his major work in Poland to establish a church in the person "socialist city" which had no religion by order of the government.

The Pope initiated the ban of nuclear weapons testing by going up against major heads of state.

The Pope has bridged the gap between the Catholics and the Jews by apologizing to them for their mistreatment. He has gained the respect of all sects of Christianity, and he has spread peace throughout the world.

Finally, The Pope showed the world how to grow old and then showed the world how to die by publicly displaying his deteriorating health and his personal suffering.

Did no one think he wasn't worthy of mentioning?

Ollie
04-02-2005, 09:55 PM
I would have, but I was not here.

besides, this should be dealt with the same way Terri's death should have been dealt with - she's dead, now can we move on?

Gjallarhorn
04-02-2005, 10:03 PM
im not going to express my opinion on this matter because i will offend everyone who is Christian...

i think that people may not want to have mentioned it because it is a sensitive subject....a dicussion about religion and life/death will also, most likely, lead to some kind of argument or disagreement and blw way out of proportion....its happened before.....

Jakiao
04-02-2005, 10:07 PM
I am openly Agnostic. I am not Christian, yet I still have high respect for Pope John Paul II. I do not respect him just because he was the leader of an entire religion, but rather the reasons I stated.

You don't have to believe in his teachings to respect him.

Ollie
04-02-2005, 10:32 PM
I did, too. He was a good man, but unfortunately, became more and more...addled as he got older.

Well, he's in a better place now, i suppose.

kenny_killer
04-02-2005, 10:42 PM
I am openly Agnostic. I am not Christian, yet I still have high respect for Pope John Paul II. I do not respect him just because he was the leader of an entire religion, but rather the reasons I stated.

You don't have to believe in his teachings to respect him.
wats agonostic?

MistressPookyChan
04-02-2005, 10:48 PM
I was surprised it took that long to bring it up. Anywho...

I am not Catholic, but went to a Catholic college and got to see how much of an impact the pope made for people. He was a wonderful person who gave his heart and soul to a cause; something that rarely happens today. Despite what you might think of him, he did bring a lot of good to the world. He was someone that people could look to for guidance and as a leader for the Catholic church. May he finally rest in peace and his vision be remembered.

dragongundam009
04-02-2005, 11:00 PM
I herd about this from my dad. I watch the new's all day and still didnt hear anything about it.:(

Nineteenth
04-02-2005, 11:06 PM
I was'nt even aware that he was dead.
First of all .. The Pope > Terri Schivo;There is no debating it.

I am "Christian" by birth so I show respect towards the man, may he rest in peace.

LadyPSerenity
04-02-2005, 11:10 PM
In reguards to why we were all over Terri Shivo and not the Pope. Well Terri's death was controversial... where as the pope was tragic.

It was tragic, but at the same time not much I can say other than he was a good and respectful man.

Jakiao
04-02-2005, 11:32 PM
Agnostic means that you believe there is a God but follow no one denomination. Honestly, there are too many "Christian" faiths which state you MUST belong to them or you're banished to hell. But that is a side story.

Now yes, it was a tragic death. But the thread should still be placed. The thread isn't to whine or complain about the death or even to debate, but rather in memory of. To show respect is all this thread is for.

Benitora_shadowman
04-02-2005, 11:48 PM
I heard about the Pope, but I thought he was still alive. I was actually shock to here he was dead. ETERNALJUPITERKNIGHT, just because we haven't posted anything, it doesn't mean we didn't care. I sincerely wanted to type about what happened, but I juss recently came. We respect the pope not because he is a pope, we respect him for what he has done and other things. I hope you'll be ok and also everyone else.

Jakiao
04-02-2005, 11:53 PM
The reason I posted finally was the fact that within minutes of Terri Schiavo's death, there was a post here. I just needed to prove a point and take a stand.

Myrra
04-02-2005, 11:54 PM
I am openly Agnostic. I am not Christian, yet I still have high respect for Pope John Paul II. I do not respect him just because he was the leader of an entire religion, but rather the reasons I stated.

You don't have to believe in his teachings to respect him.
I agree, you don't have to believe in the Christian faith to appreciate all that he's accomplished. He leaves behind a wonderful legacy that needs to be carried on.

And I'm sorry, but I didn't realise there wasn't one here already..I have posted in a couple of similar threads on other boards.

Izumi Orimoto
04-02-2005, 11:56 PM
Im chrisitan but i do respect to him he was a great man....its sad that he died....

Benitora_shadowman
04-02-2005, 11:57 PM
ETERNAL JUPITER KNIGHT. I honestly think that it was a good thing you post this topic. We all feel bad about what happened. I just want to say sorry if we can't relate to how you are being more affected. Juss remember that we can't relate to each others feelings if we don't know each other well, but we are trying to relate to each other.

Lon
04-03-2005, 01:38 AM
The pope is no closer to god than any other believing Christian.
I am saddened that there was a loss of life, but it isn't like he didn't lead a full life.

Missy
04-03-2005, 04:21 AM
I respect the guy.. ..He did what he could while he was here.. and it was just his time.. ...I'm Catholic .. and I think that his death is something that should be looked upon as just being his time... He was after all a powerful leader .. I believe he is worth mentioning. .. I dont know if that made any sense.. But I dont know what else to say.

Karel
04-03-2005, 05:57 AM
In much respect towards the mans death, if it wasn't for this post I wouldn't even know this. That doesn't necessarily make me a lost fool for not knowing or the stories behind the deal, some times certain things like this effect different people differently.

Mariya Shidō
04-03-2005, 06:58 AM
I am agnostic and always respected the pope . He was one of the few among many that truly deserved respect during all those centuries . Maybe because it wasnt a spaghetti pope :p

Parasui
04-03-2005, 08:54 AM
I only knew about the Pope's death during our worship service this morning. I'm not a Cathloic though. But I pray that the peace and comfort of God will be upon those who mourn for the death of the Pope.

Tyr
04-03-2005, 09:37 AM
As soon as I heard about his death, I considered starting a topic, but decided that since I'm not catholic that it would be better if I left it to someone who better understood the man. After reading all the great things that he accomplished with his life, though, its not so much to do with religion, but more to honour the life of a truly great man. He deserves to be remembered as one of the key figures of our time.

niKopol
04-03-2005, 09:42 AM
The Pope, good man. He may not have been closer to God but his death will mark a new day and age in all of us...
The Pope was a major religious icon and will be remember forever for it....

PugznRoku
04-03-2005, 11:10 AM
I'm not catholic so i dont care but for the ppl who are, i'm sorry he died. But it's like when the queens mum died over here in England those who liked the royle family paid their respect, those who didnt just got on with life (and maybe threw a party)

Hotsuma
04-03-2005, 11:41 AM
So the Pope dead huh? Hmm...Thats messed up man. I admire this guy cause he lived his whole life without sex man...I cant even last a week man dude is like so cool man and it sucks like hell thats hes gone and everything. Just thinking about it starting to piss me off! Why did the Pope have to die? He was like....85, yeah he was 85 when he died. God could have kept him on his earth for another like 5 years. Man Whying could Bush die or Osma Bin Laden. Man...Well what now? How do they replace him? I mean he's John Pope the 2nd so I figured his son may take his place but he never had sex sooo...What now?

Zedekiah
04-03-2005, 12:13 PM
So the Pope dead huh? Hmm...Thats messed up man. I admire this guy cause he lived his whole life without sex man...I cant even last a week man dude is like so cool man and it sucks like hell thats hes gone and everything. Just thinking about it starting to piss me off! Why did the Pope have to die? He was like....85, yeah he was 85 when he died. God could have kept him on his earth for another like 5 years. Man Whying could Bush die or Osma Bin Laden. Man...Well what now? How do they replace him? I mean he's John Pope the 2nd so I figured his son may take his place but he never had sex sooo...What now?
I love you.

And I wonder if the new pope'll be that black guy :3

Hotsuma
04-03-2005, 12:22 PM
I love you.

And I wonder if the new pope'll be that black guy :3
....I uh love you uh...Too? I think >.>

What black guy? The Pope being a black guy? Isnt the Pope like the president? I mean he might get assinated or something. Has there ever been a black pope? IF so plz tell me.

Do you think the popes funeral will be longer than President Reagan's? Reagans lasted for like Weeks man

Myrra
04-03-2005, 12:36 PM
It's the religious leaders of the Catholic church who will choose the new pope from their extensive list of candidates.

As to the race of the next pope...I highly doubt it will be anyone of colour.

DownRight-eviL
04-03-2005, 12:45 PM
*Sniffs* Yeah... I'm Christian, and when my parents and family heard he died, we just stood there, SHOCKED. When my sisters and parents left to go to a restaraunt, I started thinking about him and crying. Whaaaaaattt?? I never met the dood, never really cared until now... And I find myself crying over him? I must have one guilty conscience... Gods, I hope he does find himself in Heaven, playing poker with God. ^___^

Tsuna Kadiri
04-03-2005, 12:49 PM
I watched a special about the Pope on TV today. Never realized how many accomplishments he had made over the 20 something years he served the church. But it is kind of sad how I only found out about all of this stuff after he died. Hm, I suppose that's just the way things go...

I have much respect for the Pope. I can't say I'm sad that the Pope died, mostly because it was just nature taking it's course.

Andrew
04-03-2005, 12:49 PM
I'm not going to put my opinion on this matter. Just know, that just because he died, doesn't stop the world from turning. He's dead. Thousands of people die again. I'm sorry to be so cold-hearted, but I just don't understand why this is a big shock to everyone. I mean, the man's 85 years old. We should have saw it coming. I have my own reason why I feel the way I do. I believe most of you can guess what that is (those who know me anyway.) But I'm not going to argue or fight with anyone.

I grew up. xD I just want to get along with everyone still, regardless of our different opinions. But everyone does have some great things to say. I'm happy this hasn't turned into an argument. Very grateful for that. ^^

Hotsuma
04-03-2005, 12:56 PM
I'm not going to put my opinion on this matter. Just know, that just because he died, doesn't stop the world from turning. He's dead. Thousands of people die again. I'm sorry to be so cold-hearted, but I just don't understand why this is a big shock to everyone. I mean, the man's 85 years old. We should have saw it coming. I have my own reason why I feel the way I do. I believe most of you can guess what that is (those who know me anyway.) But I'm not going to argue or fight with anyone.

I grew up. xD I just want to get along with everyone still, regardless of our different opinions. But everyone does have some great things to say. I'm happy this hasn't turned into an argument. Very grateful for that. ^^
Well I am not shocked that he died I mean I know that death is apart of life but you cant help but feel a little sad that he died. I mean he was truly a great man and plus...he never had sex and I just cant see how anyone can go threw that besides Jebus

Myrra
04-03-2005, 01:26 PM
I'm not going to put my opinion on this matter. Just know, that just because he died, doesn't stop the world from turning. He's dead. Thousands of people die again. I'm sorry to be so cold-hearted, but I just don't understand why this is a big shock to everyone. I mean, the man's 85 years old. We should have saw it coming. I have my own reason why I feel the way I do. I believe most of you can guess what that is (those who know me anyway.) But I'm not going to argue or fight with anyone.

I grew up. xD I just want to get along with everyone still, regardless of our different opinions. But everyone does have some great things to say. I'm happy this hasn't turned into an argument. Very grateful for that. ^^
You don't sound cold-hearted to me. It's a fact that everyone is going to die someday, some of us get to stick around longer than the rest. And the fact also remains he was a very important person in the world and therefore his death has more of an impact on people than say..someone like me. The world won't come to a crashing halt, but the people may pause for a moment to remember the good he did.

Tiggit
04-03-2005, 01:38 PM
im not catholic and i never even seen the pope on tv, so i cant express an opion about him, but i can say that all people will die someday and, like terry shiavo, they are both one person. if i died i would just be a footnote in the town news. i cant help but say i want it that way.which is true cus' i dont want thw world crying over the inevitable.

red storm
04-03-2005, 02:00 PM
I am not religous, so any person on a high religous level does not automaticily earn my respect (quite the contrary most of the times) but the pope has earned my respect. Not because he had a high place in religion or society, but because what he did with it.

He showed what religion should be, not what some higher-ups with their 'holy wars' make it out to be. He was a good man, if there is a god, I'm sure he'll be welcomed with open arms.

sjøpølse
04-03-2005, 03:13 PM
Well... The pope sure was a spiritual leader and all, but still, as previously said, he was no closer to god than anyone else.

Moreover, I'd just like to point out that this individual was an old piece of rotten flesh in the state he was and he should have been dead a little while ago. He was senile and so attached to his conservative catholic values that he became somewhat imbecile on certain matters (i.e.: A 9 years old raped girl that fell pregnant and was told that she could not abort, even if the pregnancy would kill her and the fetus). Still, he did some great things, most of them concerning peace and I don't want to minimize their imporance. Though consider he had been a pope for 26 years, which is quite alot, he was old, his death is not more tragic than anyone's else.

Darkshadow
04-03-2005, 03:24 PM
i was on chat yesterday. i found out about the pope. yeah ppl should talk about him online, but terry's death was because of waht someone did (hav the tube removed) and that had caused alot of opinions going around.

xtXMeili_The_Flower_GodessXtx
04-03-2005, 03:42 PM
I heard the pope died yesterday, actually i saw it on the news, it was on all day yesterday! I upset me that he died. I thought maybe he'd be able to live alittle longer tho.

Tyr
04-03-2005, 04:17 PM
Weird how people keep saying they're shocked. There's been extensive news coverage over the last few days detailing how he's got worse and worse, so it was obvious he was going to die soon. I'd understand if he'd just suddenly died, but this has been a long-running thing for awhile now.

Pakachu
04-03-2005, 05:04 PM
::shrug::
i was out in corona all day doing last minute construction renaissance faire.
so didnt really hear anything about it till i got home and by that time i was pretty much too tired to really think more than "oh, that sucks" then promptly went to hang out with friends.

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Kyo Kusanagi
04-03-2005, 05:16 PM
Rip.

gadgetgirl16
04-03-2005, 06:02 PM
wow! i had a neighbor died first on the 26 of march, then Terri Schiavo and now the most loving person on this earth Pope John Paul II....(wow, well we all will die in a life time) im a Christan and all, but not Catholic, and i just feel for everyone who looked up to him b/c he was so loved and a verry good Godly leader of all time.....*sniff* i will miss him on TV and listen on what he has had to say (tho they translate it in english) and i wonder who is going to be the next pope....i hope the next one is so loving and caring like him.....

"Rest In Peace with Roses we will miss you, Pope John Paul II"

Silver_Star_of_Darkness
04-03-2005, 07:36 PM
" I love you more!" - Pope John Paul II

Pope John Paul I got his name by combining the two Popes before him. There names were John and Paul. Then after Pope John Paul I died and Pope John Paul II was elected he liked the name John Paul. So he chose that as his name. Some people thought that he should change his name to Pope John Paul John Paul. I'm not Catholic but today our church gave a blessing in memory of him. I hope that the Cardnals (sp?) choose another Pope that will be just like him.

Ami~chan
04-03-2005, 10:38 PM
Well... The pope sure was a spiritual leader and all, but still, as previously said, he was no closer to god than anyone else.

Moreover, I'd just like to point out that this individual was an old piece of rotten flesh in the state he was and he should have been dead a little while ago. He was senile and so attached to his conservative catholic values that he became somewhat imbecile on certain matters (i.e.: A 9 years old raped girl that fell pregnant and was told that she could not abort, even if the pregnancy would kill her and the fetus). Still, he did some great things, most of them concerning peace and I don't want to minimize their imporance. Though consider he had been a pope for 26 years, which is quite alot, he was old, his death is not more tragic than anyone's else.
I agree with every word. Death is unavoidable, even for the Pope, who was basically the leader of all Catholics. I'm not Catholic, and thus hearing that the Pope died didn't really affect or shock me. He was 85 years old; thats a pretty high number, even for these days. Besides, he had about a million health problems, so it wasn't fun for him to live any longer. He would have just been stuck in a hospital bed, and no one wants that. It was just his time to go, and well, it affected me just as much as Schiavos death.

og_loc58
04-03-2005, 10:42 PM
steven ask her now i am waiting or i will ask her for you.

tao_bason05
04-03-2005, 10:54 PM
Pope John Paul II was a great man, he was the Pope since 1978, after Pope John Paul I passed away! He belived in God a lot! Pope John Paul II was suffering so much, God had to let him rest! so now he is not suffering now, he is in peace with the Lord.The pope is in heaven now! He passed away at 9:37 p.m(Rome time)! now we can let him rest in peace and pray for him too! Cuz Pope John Paul II is now a saint with the almighty Lord.

Variable_Gunbuster
04-04-2005, 03:36 AM
funny I came across this thread cuz just last night I stumbled on the Discovery channel and they had a life Biography of Karol...I mean John Paul II. I always new he was a great man, but after seeing the biography I truly understand how remarkable and important he was. He had a tough life when he was young, came out of poverty, survived Hitlers army (nazi's)...and blah, blah...I won't go into detail. I'm really sad about his death but nobody here seems to really care. I guess they just don't wanna talk about it. I myself am Roman Catholic so you know how I feel.:(

Princess Minako
04-04-2005, 08:15 AM
I find it more respectful not to make a circus of someones death by causing a huge debate and to do over it. If you truely knew what Pope John Paul was like, you would know he wouldn't have wanted something like this. He wanted people to celebrate Gods work and how God worked thru him. Not HIS actions. He was very open in admitting that anything he did was the acts of God. Pope John Paul II died quietly, which is how he wanted to go.

As LPS said Terry Shiavo was CONTROVERSAL, so it got a lot of attention and was made a circus of. Thats why there were huge posts about it. The death of the papacy is nothing short of Tragic, but he was an old man and it was seen coming for a long time. It wasn't caused by unnatural forces, God decided that this mans work was done and took him home. His death was chosen by him, not by someone else. He never would want something like this, especially someone else judging others because THEY think that others are not mourning his death the way that THEY think others shoud. Come on, doesn't that in itself go against everything that Pope John Paul II stood for?

Respectable man, yes. Would he want something like this? no. He was a good man who did Gods works, let him rest in peace without you judging others.

The Goddess has Spoken

Tiggit
04-04-2005, 08:30 AM
ill say again

im not catholic and i never even seen the pope on tv, so i cant express an opion about him, but i can say that all people will die someday and, like terry shiavo, they are both one person. if i died i would just be a footnote in the town news. i cant help but say i want it that way.which is true cus' i dont want thw world crying over the inevitable. there has been news all over the wrold that he was going to die before he died, people should have known this was comeing soon

Princess Minako
04-04-2005, 09:32 AM
You're right a person is just another person. But people will be remembered by their accompilshements and what they have done with their lives. Pope John Paul II actually did a lot to help the world be a better place, not just for christianity but for the population at large.

In years to come people will remember him for the great man he was not because he was pope, because there are many popes who will not be remembered, but he will be remebered because of what he did not who he was. Not everyone can accomplish something great in their lifetimes. But those who can, should be honored as such. You're issues with the catholic religion are just that, issues with the catholic religion. I do not agree that the pope himself is infallable, as catholic law states, but he is a good man with good intentions who has accomplished many good things.

The Goddess has Spoken

Tiggit
04-04-2005, 10:18 AM
You're right a person is just another person. But people will be remembered by their accompilshements and what they have done with their lives. Pope John Paul II actually did a lot to help the world be a better place, not just for christianity but for the population at large.

In years to come people will remember him for the great man he was not because he was pope, because there are many popes who will not be remembered, but he will be remebered because of what he did not who he was. Not everyone can accomplish something great in their lifetimes. But those who can, should be honored as such. You're issues with the catholic religion are just that, issues with the catholic religion. I do not agree that the pope himself is infallable, as catholic law states, but he is a good man with good intentions who has accomplished many good things.

The Goddess has Spokeni dont have any issues with the religion nor any religion or race. to be honest i have no spicific religion i just do what i think is right and hope for the best. needless to say i am not extremly religious but i go by the ten commandments to the best of my abbility. you are right of what matters is what a person hase done in his life.besides all people will die but life on earth is a test of your loyallty to god or whomever you wershop

kenny_killer
04-04-2005, 10:52 AM
Terri Schiavo dies, and you all jump over it like it was some major issue in today's world. Yet, not even 9 hours after the Pope died, there isn't even a single post about it. Do you people honestly value Terri's story more than the Pope? Jesus. I thought about posting this a few hours ago, but I wanted to see if anyone would step up to it. It is just shameful that not one person thought it worthy to post about the Pope.

The Pope played a major role in putting an end to the Soviet Union through his major work in Poland to establish a church in the person "socialist city" which had no religion by order of the government.

The Pope initiated the ban of nuclear weapons testing by going up against major heads of state.

The Pope has bridged the gap between the Catholics and the Jews by apologizing to them for their mistreatment. He has gained the respect of all sects of Christianity, and he has spread peace throughout the world.

Finally, The Pope showed the world how to grow old and then showed the world how to die by publicly displaying his deteriorating health and his personal suffering.

Did no one think he wasn't worthy of mentioning?
the reason why i didnt start one is because i dint know much about him...i even thought about making one but i just said nah wait till some one else says somin... iv even been to the vatican. i dint even know he knew english(o.0)

i thought he was just like a normal prist(didnt spell right) execept he dicided stuff for the other relidions...

i didnt know his other accomplishments till i saw a show about him and realized he was a very... ... good person....

sakura gohan mathers
04-05-2005, 09:59 PM
i can't believe the pope died . i'm catholic and it was a big deal at church on sunday. we had to go to church for three hours and pray and have another mass. i was sad the pope had died because he was like the president and now it's going to take forever to pic a new pope :badrazz:. the church here is having a mass for the pope almost every day.
well g2g

sgm
C.A.

Queen-of-Mars
04-06-2005, 12:37 AM
Forever? lol, not even close. I believe the church must remain in mourning for 9 days after the Pope's death, then from there comes the college of cardinals to the conclave where they will be given choices of who to vote for where absolutely NO modern technology exists, making it difficult for us to be able to calculate who will win. After that, white smoke will rise and the bells will ring, informing us of our new Pope. It'll take weeks at the most, I think.

animeseishi
04-06-2005, 07:14 AM
truthfully, i was even glad that i lived with two saints in my lifetime...first there is mother theresa and there is our departed pope...during a church mass...i almost cried when i recalled the times when the pope showed his humbleness and goodness inside...yeah pretty corny huh..but i guess i got it from my mother who is very religious...anyway...the pope is good...he even helped resolve the communism issues...the berlin wall for example...and many non-christian countries knows how good the pipe is and sent their regrets about him...

DeathAngel
04-30-2005, 08:23 AM
it was a pity he died...

kenny_killer
11-14-2005, 07:45 PM
he accomplished many goals, inspired many people, did many things.

he passed away with honor, and dignity... it was his time to go.