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Lon
03-30-2005, 04:50 PM
America today is gripped with needless censorship laws that are choking the media to death. This is partly in my opinion due to the fact that this country is founded by a bunch of puritans but I'll not mix my religions and my politics together. The FCC has way to much of a problem with what is allowed on media now days.
Take Nudity for example. God forbid an actress show a little cleavage (to be polite about it) on prime time TV shows, let alone in a movie, but if you go over seas children shows- even cartoons in Japan are showing nudity of males and females in programming designed for children as young as six, seven and eight! I'd like to point out that if they made a cartoon over in the USA and showed a little flesh in it, the censor monkeys would go ape over it. Pun intended. God forbid they show a cartoon figure of a child in underwear or naked. If they did surely they'd be labeled as pedophiles in a heart beat.
Language is another issue. Just who is the FCC trying to protect? Sure itís not NICE to swear. No one likes to hear an eight year old blurt out a four letter word that looks a lot like a UK designer label FCUK. But we have to ask ourselves "Just who is at fault here? Is it the TV show or popular media's fault for displaying such rudeness in their programming OR is it the fault of the Parents for not regulating their Childs behavior, language, and what shows they watch more closely?" I remember growing up in the 80's and 90's and watching movies like Ghostbusters and Beatlejuice and knowing that they said "naughty words" in it.... but god help my hide should I chose to repeat those in front of anyone that would be likely to tell my parents what I said! Why does America insist that TV producers and the Media be responsible for the upbringing of their kids? This just seems lazy to me.
To also note on this language subject: It isn't like children today don't learn these vulgar words from other sources, sometimes as close as their own home. I was out at a Pizza place last week and I saw a mom totally aghast when her eight year old told the waiter to "F"-off when the waiter did something the child did not like. I don't understand how the mom could be so surprised at her Childs language and behavior when not more than five minutes later I heard what I could only assume be the father spout off the same word in an unrelated topic of conversation. Yet I bet that poor kid will be on a diet of Teletubbies and Barney until he's fourteen because of that one incident!
What about the internet?? Clearly there can be no end to the amount of adult content loaded onto cyberspace each day. Yet websites constantly keep up a vidual to keep things at the most PG-13 related. Certainly this does its job by keeping the spammers and sick perverted weirdoes out there at bay from posting their pictures of children and other sexually explicit fetishes on the net. But Where does the line between what is allowed and not allowed lay? Saying one swear word in a website or forum (like this one) surely does not place the offender into the same category as someone who would go and make a post that has more swear words in it than the entire swear count in the South Park movie. Yet internet moderators and webmasters are more than happy to extend the same courtesy to a noted sex offender as they would to some Joe who simply has one bad run in. Letís not get into the subject of people not reading rules of conduct posted on websites and forums. People act like that is a mortal sin now days! Obviously people who are peeved by this do not know a common retail fact. People read only about 10 percent of any posted information or material. Go watch a department store with a giant sign out saying Sale X Discount on X item, and that item will be in a been underneath the sign, yet count the number of people who will ask directions to where the item is located. Annoying: Yes. But certainly workable. I'll not get into my feelings about children under the age of 18 acting as moderators and admins on line. I personally feel they just do not have the people relational skills to do the job any justice but thatís just me. Not to get me wrong. There are those exceptional few that Kaitou seems to find to work here... but those few are rare indeed. I don't mean to sound like I'm aiming this part of this post at TMDC ...or rather Anime Forum as it is now I guess. It just so happens that this site does fall into the subject at hand.

So in the end... Is free speech really free? Or is our sacred first amendment right just an illusion given to us by our governing bodies and controlled by faceless fundamentalist hell-bent on making any public domain be it online or off line safe for even a toddler to visit yet containing enough material to keep the interest of the adults. Where are the lines drawn? Where should they be drawn? Such questions I don't think America is ready to answer. Land of the free indeed. Just what is this freedom. The freedom to do as we wish or the Freedom to make others do as we want?

Ninja of the Night
03-30-2005, 07:11 PM
lol Im not so sure you should use Japan as a example for why we shouldnt censor nudity as much. Japan has an extremely bad rape and molestation problem.

The FCC can not censor what any artist or any movie can do or say. They can only regulate when, where, and to who it is shown. The government can not censor what an artist says (as long as it is legal of course) but they can restrict it from being played on open radio's to which children can listen to them. The government can not censor any movie (again, as long as its not illegal like child porn and etc...), they can only say how old a minor has to be to watch it.

Also, the first Amendment only applys to the government. If the moderaters of this board want to censor what words people can say, they can. That has nothing to do with the government or the first Amendment. Its their site, their bandwidth that they are paying for, its their rules. The government dosnt have anything to do with it as long as they dont break any laws.

Mistress Koneko
03-30-2005, 07:23 PM
lol Im not so sure you should use Japan as a example for why we shouldnt censor nudity as much. Japan has an extremely bad rape and molestation problem.

The FCC can not censor what any artist or any movie can do or say. They can only regulate when, where, and to who it is shown. The government can not censor what an artist says (as long as it is legal of course) but they can restrict it from being played on open radio's to which children can listen to them. The government can not censor any movie (again, as long as its not illegal like child porn and etc...), they can only say how old a minor has to be to watch it.

Also, the first Amendment only applys to the government. If the moderaters of this board want to censor what words people can say, they can. That has nothing to do with the government or the first Amendment. Its their site, their bandwidth that they are paying for, its their rules. The government dosnt have anything to do with it as long as they dont break any laws.
*hugs my unfuzzy slipper target*

Lon
03-30-2005, 07:32 PM
I want to make one thing very clear right now. I am NOT targeting the mods of this board as much as I am making a broad blanket statement about censorship on the internet. I have nothing against the mods here.

Nineteenth
03-30-2005, 07:49 PM
lol Im not so sure you should use Japan as a example for why we shouldnt censor nudity as much. Japan has an extremely bad rape and molestation problem.

The FCC can not censor what any artist or any movie can do or say. They can only regulate when, where, and to who it is shown. The government can not censor what an artist says (as long as it is legal of course) but they can restrict it from being played on open radio's to which children can listen to them. The government can not censor any movie (again, as long as its not illegal like child porn and etc...), they can only say how old a minor has to be to watch it.

Also, the first Amendment only applys to the government. If the moderaters of this board want to censor what words people can say, they can. That has nothing to do with the government or the first Amendment. Its their site, their bandwidth that they are paying for, its their rules. The government dosnt have anything to do with it as long as they dont break any laws.You can say what you want, they just can make it so it cannot be heard.

They can decide to block it all together, it is just the same; How can they decide against something I want to see? Maybe, just maybe what is considered "sick , without morals and wrong" I consider wholesome entertainment?

It's the fact that when people are kept away from things they are more inclined towards it , it is also known that there will always be those who ruin things for others.



Since the name of this place is "AnimeForum" how about this. The FCC decides that anime is against the law, watching it, promoting it and even talking about it brings harsh punishments equal or even greater than Child Pornographers.
That movie thing, it only applies to American made movies or american translated or refilmed movies. ( I have to check that out..)
Perfect example, Battle Royale the Movie. It's a perfect example of how the FCC "decides" what is good for everyone else; and currently that film is blacklisted untill doomsday.

Heck.. The FCC is the only remaining step left in the Utopia that was to built on the American land.. our plan has been discovered . . Control the media, control the masses, control the media , control the masses...

Gjallarhorn
03-30-2005, 10:04 PM
all freedoms are illusions. speach, at least it the US is not free as long as the FCC remains in existance because it will forever censor whatever theu deem inappropriate.
in fact, the only way anyone oculd be truly free would be to abolish all worldly laws created by government. the law of physics would not exist, and everyone would have to omni-present and non-existant at the same time....impossible.
it bothers me how the US can claim to be a free country, yet are constantly under the guide of the Constitution and all other federal, state and local laws set up by the governments in power.

Ninja of the Night
03-30-2005, 11:17 PM
You can say what you want, they just can make it so it cannot be heard.

They can decide to block it all together, it is just the same; How can they decide against something I want to see? Maybe, just maybe what is considered "sick , without morals and wrong" I consider wholesome entertainment?

It's the fact that when people are kept away from things they are more inclined towards it , it is also known that there will always be those who ruin things for others.



Since the name of this place is "AnimeForum" how about this. The FCC decides that anime is against the law, watching it, promoting it and even talking about it brings harsh punishments equal or even greater than Child Pornographers.
That movie thing, it only applies to American made movies or american translated or refilmed movies. ( I have to check that out..)
Perfect example, Battle Royale the Movie. It's a perfect example of how the FCC "decides" what is good for everyone else; and currently that film is blacklisted untill doomsday.

Heck.. The FCC is the only remaining step left in the Utopia that was to built on the American land.. our plan has been discovered . . Control the media, control the masses, control the media , control the masses...
lol no one is stopping you from watching your wholesome "sick , without morals and wrong" stuff as you say. The only thing the govenment can say you cant watch is stuff like child porn and stuff like that. As long as you are over 18, they cant stop you from going out, buying what ever the heck you want to watch, and watching it in the privacy of your own home. Now they can regulate it if its on TV and stuff like that and require warning stickers on the cover and such.

The FCC dosnt have half the power you seem to think they do. They can not stop me from going out and watching Battle Royal. I can go out and buy it right now if I wanted to, its not illegal. However they have said its not appropriate to sell in open, general areas. Its the same reason you dont see porn on the selfs at wal-mart next to the Disney movies. Furthermore, the FCC can not ban anime, it dosnt have anywhere near the authority to do that. Congress could not ban anime, the Supremem Court has shown numerous times that it wont allow things like that.

Oh, and just to let you know, Japan has much stricter rules on cencorship then we do -__-

Ashminigun
03-31-2005, 07:47 AM
*can't help it to join in...

hmmm.... freedom of speech? I would agreed to most of you that have posted your thoughts here... although I not living in US but I believe on this fact: that rules are made to regulated what on the mass media and entertainment and filter what that might bad and will be offending to others. In M'sia itself, the gorvernment is constantly monitoring what on the mass media and the entertainment. Because I live in a multi-racial with complex society culture, anything that are sensitive issue like race, religion and politics are keep under a tight watch and whatever that might offend others will be censored and stern warning will be given to the offenders. That why M'sia can still enjoy the peace that been achieved since 1957 until now.

However, it's up to the individual itself to decide which is right or wrong. i not saying you can freely do whatever you want but use your common sense and judge first the action and consequences before you doing it also think how might it affect the people around you. Be reasonable, at least to other people 'cause some would perceive differently what you are doing and become offended.

'nough said...

LadyPSerenity
03-31-2005, 11:35 AM
Congress could not ban anime, the Supremem Court has shown numerous times that it wont allow things like that.

Heh, quick remark, it was used as a general example. IT's not likely to ever happen.

Now the FCC does have some power as it does regulate what we watch by warning labels. Not in the sense that we can't watch it but in the sense that we can't watch it until a certain age.
It's a way of protecting us until they believe our mind is capable to handle it and understand it is right or it is wrong.

Now then there are things stopping people from watching Child porn, of course... it's called the law... and jail terms.

In reguards to Free speach in general..

I believe we have the freedom but not the ability to use it to it's fullest extent. If I step out and want to freely speak against one government party while supporting another no one is going to stop me, so long as I refrain from damaging the character of a person (This is a slander suit in civil law) If you can't back what you say with evidence don't say it right?

Now I can say what I think about people but they can come after me for it and return the gesture. I can speak all I want, just that speach may not be appropriate and may cause anger in someone else.
No one can stop me from talking unless they do something drastic like take away my voice, life or tongue... they can however throw me in jail, lock me up and take away my audience if they deem what I'm saying is wrong.

I think this makes sense... not sure.

robofighter
03-31-2005, 03:59 PM
well, i believe that in some way we really do have freedom of speach. i mean in WW2, people in germany weren't allowed to speak bad about hitlar at all. unlike the america today were we can say aful things about our president and his administion, we have the right.
as for the FCC, i beleve that they do go over bored when it comes to censoring. and i do think that somthings that are comman in other coundetry is taboo here in the U.S. and they just about go crazy when a dirty word is said. ( do you know there is more ways to say an "dirty" word than there are dity words!) but that's the mdia, not the people. i think as a people, we americans have freedom of speach,but as a media nad popular culture, we're majorly scewed over.