Why is dbz always frowned on by "hardcore" anime fans?

[Sega saturn x]

I dont get it why is Dragon ball Z always frowned at by "hardcore" anime fans?

[Gil]

I think its because its [DBZ] become so mainstream in the United States, Britain, ec. that "hardcore,' (as you called them) anime fans don't approve of it anymore. I don't get it either. I've never been huge on the show, but I don't see why it being popular would affect its credibility.

[Orca]

i cant actually say y but dont u think its practicly the same but just differrent chracters

[Orca]

it just show to much reruns and wen u do get to c a new episode its practicly not wat u expected and makes u more uninterrested thats only my thought im not a hugh fan but an eceptcinal fan

[Midnight Kitana]

I think one reason DBZ is so frown upon by many hardcore anime fans is because it's too mainstream. DBZ is one of the most well-known animes in the US. It has a lot of fans and several annoying ones. Another reason is the fact that it's considered a gateway to anime. You're hooked once you get into it, the plot is fairly simple to understand and you grow attached to the characters, but then you begin to move into more better, developed, and deeper ones. That's when most realize that DBZ isn't all that it's made out to be. Others simply just don't care for the anime. They may be thrown off by the animation, long dragged out fights, storyline, or the characters.

[Gylfie]

Well, I for one used to like Dragon Ball Z. I stopped watching it because every time the plot gets interesting, they haven't the newer episodes so they go back a couple sagas. I myself have suffered through that 2 or 3 times and now I am fed up.

Also, days in DBZ last maybe about a week or more. When Goku was allowed to go back to Earth for one day, he was on Earth for about 2 - 3 weeks.

There you go, there are possibly more reasons that I haven't noticed. Good day to you.

[Die Tod von Euch]

Because the DBZ fans act as if they know everything about anime because they've seen DBZ and maybe a handful of other programs via Cartoon Network. It ticks the "hardcore" fans off because they were watching most of that anime before it was ever aired on TV, and have been into anime for years and years.

It's like someone saying they know everything about rock because they listen to Linkin Park, or know everything about grunge because they listen to Nirvana. You know the mainstream not-as-good-as-the-other-bands-in-the-genre bands, but you don't really know about the rest of the genre. Who those bands try to sound like. Who came before them. Who came at the same time, were better, but had less exposure to the limelight. Etc. So, when talking about the bands, you look like an idiot and a poser, and the more "hardcore" music fans don't like you.

DBZ has also caused an influx of really annoying fans in the online anime communities. Pretty much it "dumbs down" the fandom. Kind of like how I'm a Sailor Moon fan, but I don't really like a great many of the -new- fans because they act/talk/type like elementary children.

Get any of what I'm sayin'?

[Sega saturn x]

Yes i do and you have a good point i have felt the same way towards to days video game player the ones that think they know old school games even though the first system they ever had was ps1 or people who think they are really good at games because they beat halo on normal. So i guess its really the fans of the show more then the show itself.

[red storm]

On of the things that make DBZ a boring show to watch is the story.

The story of DBZ in a nutshell: Bad guy apears, bad guy pounces on hero's friends, hero joins battle, bad guy pounches hero, bad guy makes hero's friends suffer, hero does amazing powerup, hero wins first, but bad guy does amazing powerup too, hero does a final überfied attack and beats bad guy, next bad guy appears, next bad guy pounces up hero's friends etc. etc.

And it goes on and on and on, that´s why I frown upon DBZ,. Especialy considering that each piece takes about ten episodes.

[.[TT]Death//Scythe666]

Because the DBZ fans act as if they know everything about anime because they've seen DBZ and maybe a handful of other programs via Cartoon Network. It ticks the "hardcore" fans off because they were watching most of that anime before it was ever aired on TV, and have been into anime for years and years.

It's like someone saying they know everything about rock because they listen to Linkin Park, or know everything about grunge because they listen to Nirvana. You know the mainstream not-as-good-as-the-other-bands-in-the-genre bands, but you don't really know about the rest of the genre. Who those bands try to sound like. Who came before them. Who came at the same time, were better, but had less exposure to the limelight. Etc. So, when talking about the bands, you look like an idiot and a poser, and the more "hardcore" music fans don't like you.

DBZ has also caused an influx of really annoying fans in the online anime communities. Pretty much it "dumbs down" the fandom. Kind of like how I'm a Sailor Moon fan, but I don't really like a great many of the -new- fans because they act/talk/type like elementary children.

Get any of what I'm sayin'?Yeah its pretty much all there ^^;

just so you know I dont hate DBZ.. I guess it isnt that bad but comparing it to other anime's out there.. its just.. pathetic (no offence here) ..the DBZ series was the best in the whole franchise it had alot of action it had Vegeta it had the best saga's it covered some story in DB and yeah so on but blah I unno, I guess I like it just not as much as other anime's mainly because the reasons above which Die Tod von Euch had posted up ^^;

[Ami~chan]

In the beginning, it was all cool. But now, since its so widely popular, its gotten kinda.... repetitive and silly, if I may say so. I loved it back when it was Freeza and all that, but when it got to Buu, it got silly and kinda something for ten year old to watch. Kinda like YuGiOh. It was cool (at least to me) in the beginning, but then it kinda....... yeah...

[WhiteReaper]

You all make interesting arguments. They are true! DBZ really is too mainstream to be considered a truly excellent anime.

When you see such animes as Fullmetal Alchemist, which has a truly amazing plotline and many plot twists towards the end, DBZ seems too repetitive by nature.

[Zanethose]

DBZ was way to repetetive. "Hey someone wants to destroy the world!" Goku beats them up. "Hurray!!! we did it!!!" krillin walks in "Hey lets wish everybody back to life!" balma walks up "good idea!" sorry way to blay for me

[Sega saturn x]

I dont think the unedited stuff is ten year old fair. To my understanding its much bloodyer and darker. Why if somthing is mainstream then bad?

[Pakachu]

Personally, i just dont like the fact that its the same story over and over and over again. someone comes to destroy the (world/universe) goku or gohan has to go and kick someones butt but ends up getting killed so everyone else has to go gather the dragon balls to bring him back to life but somehow the bad guy always has at least one and....0_o

and character growth = getting bigger and stronger(not to mention hairierO_o...)

::shrug::
thats my opinion anyhow...

[red storm]

Not to mention that Goku's SSJ4 überattack isn't that much different from say, Nappa's standard attack?

[[BlackDeath]]

I dont get it why is Dragon ball Z always frowned at by "hardcore" anime fans?
ROFLMAO, omg those stupid wannabe fanatics, make me laugh all the time, 1st off it's a crap anime, heres a summary of how it goes:

"Oh no some increadibly powerful evil is going to destroy the universe and then EARTH! We must defeat this unstoppable evil power that is so powerful we can't beat and would be death to try but lets do it anyways"
"Yeah ok Goku and afterwards lets have a barbeque, <spasticly giggles>"
"Hes, just to strong, that evil diabolical squirrel! must transform into something, with lots of power, i dont have anything like that but ill make it up as i go along!"
"Yay the universe is saved, omg another very evil person has appeared and stronger thatn the squirrel, must kill super beaver"

Pretty accurate of how it's story line goes dont-cha think!? xD

Well anyway, the "DBZ" fans are all retards who don't even now what there talking about, they make all these claims and yet they havn't even seen half the animes out there, i think that it makes a mockery of all the other animes out there and frankly inasult me when people talk about it!

[Sega saturn x]

I hope you just didnt call me a "wannabe finatic" because i never claimed to be an anime exspert. I dont want to be one i was just asking and i got your opinion and im sorry i insulted you oh great one. Ill have to keep a lock on my fingers to not type about any more dbz related subjects.

[SGI]

I think it has more to do with the psychology of the anime fans. On one hand they want anime to gain the recognition that it is so deserving of. On the other there is the strong elitism within the anime community itself. I know I don’t speak for every anime fan, and I make no endeavour to either but anime fans tend to snub anime the moment they become “too mainstream” even though most of the time the anime remains the same, and if not, an unedited version is usually available.

Dragonball Z is merely the embodiment of the anime fan’s secret fear of what could happen to all anime if the genre itself became too mainstream.

[Sega saturn x]

I think the same thing has happened to Gta as well and i think you raise an intristing point about anything becoming to mainstream.

[Demon Hunter Dante]

I don't know why but it does get boring when you don't get what you think you are getting!!!! I used to be a big DBZ fan but now it is just plain stupid to me!!!!

[Case_Closed_Freak]

DBZ is just plain BAD anime, it's not real stuff. U want something action-packed and is also very good? Neon Genesis Evangelion, louie the Rune Soldier, witch hunter robin....and angelo111 where did u get that halo picture? the Fear the covenant elite one...cuz i want to find stuff liek that Halo is awesome

[Pakachu]

I hope you just didnt call me a "wannabe finatic" because i never claimed to be an anime exspert. I dont want to be one i was just asking and i got your opinion and im sorry i insulted you oh great one. Ill have to keep a lock on my fingers to not type about any more dbz related subjects.
...um... i think the term she used was "Fanatic" just thought i would be kind enough to point that out.

[[BlackDeath]]

I hope you just didnt call me a "wannabe finatic" because i never claimed to be an anime exspert. I dont want to be one i was just asking and i got your opinion and im sorry i insulted you oh great one. Ill have to keep a lock on my fingers to not type about any more dbz related subjects.
Reading is hard is it, hence me using the word "those" now since you responded to that i guess you must fall into that catagory youself, well do you?

[Sega saturn x]

No i dont im sorry i must have miss read your post. I dont know alot about anime and i dont claim to im glad that was all taken care of.

[Havana]

i used to watch dragonball z because videl was my favorite character, then it got repetitive.

[sword_master]

I think that dbz is awesome very..........when it is not repeating itself over and over on how people beat people and omg for the 500th time your reviving someone with what I am sorry oo yeah dragon balls omg why did they not just name it the shenrons :censored: I mean that is the most retarted load of Bull:censored: I have ever seen. so excluding every last bit of that it is okay except when you are also usin g the spirit bomb and omg it did not quite kill them so now you have to die to save someone from a monster o I am sorry no he just comes back. what the :censored: is the problem

[Sega saturn x]

Try typing with your fingers not your teeth.

[cat lord3]

DBZ is cool

[Orion]

i'm not hardcore but i still hate dbz. it's just a sad excuse of an anime, made to entertain small children who want to feel tough by watching a non-violent fighting anime.

[[BlackDeath]]

No i dont im sorry i must have miss read your post. I dont know alot about anime and i dont claim to im glad that was all taken care of.
Ummm...ok then, i guess iwas to blunt also so i'm sorry for that, but at least you can admit that you don't know a lot and that is something that i respect!

[Vandire]

DBZ might have been good... If there was say, more than one main theme of events. Which happened to go over and over and over for a period of several hundred episodes.

[FusionGTX]

Because there is only a storyline so that random fights can take place so that there can be pointless action with bad animations and bad everything.. But it is still cool to watch

[[BlackDeath]]

Because there is only a storyline so that random fights can take place so that there can be pointless action with bad animations and bad everything.. But it is still cool to watchI have to agree with you, even though it's a pretty crap anime, some fight scences are pretty cool to watch!

[DarkPrinceBman]

Its like music, when things go mainstream they get less apealing but i still love it

[飛竜]

i used to watch dragonball z because videl was my favorite character, then it got repetitive.
lol! I did watch always Dragon Ball Z to GT but I did feel bore but I do like fights!:ph34r:

[The Archangel]

I don't care what those hardcore idiots say DRAGON BALL ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zanethose]

I have nothing against DBZ, it is actually the anime which got me hooked on animes, but when you start watching stuff like .Hack and Fooly Cooly (Furi Curi) then you jsut lose interest in it, its not that we frown down at it, cause if you think about it it was the first anime to be realised into america and have a great succes but we dislike it because it is majorly repetitive, we get into stuff like .Hack that has so many twists and turns that it cant get repetitive,yes, it is orginal but after the namek serious on DBZ you just kinda lsoe interest, although you gotta hand it to akira for naming everybody in the entire serious after a food.....

[pyrothunder336]

DBZ was cool until the Buu serious. then it got stupid and the hardcore anime fans know that there is better animes out there than dragonballz

[Zanethose]

DBZ was cool until the Buu serious. then it got stupid and the hardcore anime fans know that there is better animes out there than dragonballz
My point exactly!

[The Archangel]

DBZ was cool until the Buu serious. then it got stupid and the hardcore anime fans know that there is better animes out there than dragonballz
Here's my question. Why???