Bush vs Kerry

[Kumi]

just wanted to hold a little mock election on the forum!

[Princess Minako]

Let just not turn this into a flame war like the last 5.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Eris]

I would vote Badnarik.

[noir]

I voted for Nader i hate everybody!!!! (from Red vs. Blue)

[Nullpunkt]

I voted for Nader i hate everybody!!!! (from Red vs. Blue)
lol go noir...

[Bruce]

Ahh. since Democratic I'll just side with Kerry even though I don't give about Kerry or Bush for that same matter.

[Zedekiah]

Where's the Nationalistic Socialistic Alternative? :'(

[Queen-of-Mars]

I think I could say that either you vote for Kerry, Bush, Undecided, or just don't join the poll at all. I wonder exactly HOW long a slight level of immaturity could be upheld in terms of people not posting with "I hate the world, so I vote for Russia" or some stupid thing like that.

[Zedekiah]

Where'd Russia pop in? -.+?

[Daenerys]

Bush vote here.

I mean, he has two hot TWIN daughters. And who wants to be forced to move out of the white house? Think of all those moving vans and boxes... Man, what a hassle... So that's why I voted for bush.






Aren't you glad I didn't register to vote?

[Queen-of-Mars]

or some stupid thing like that.

Examples work very well when people read them.

[Sophonax]

-Coughs- None of them.

I'd vote for anarchism.

[Princess Mononoke]

oh hmmm wonder who im voting for...

eh... it wont let me vote wahhhh.. its bush's fault!

[Queen-of-Mars]

Ai, the twins moved out of the white house.

[Daenerys]

I never said they lived there, did I? I said he HAS two hot twin daughters.

Kerry's daughters aren't very hot + they aren't twins.

[Queen-of-Mars]

The one thing about the both of them i'd change is the Kerry nose. Otherwise, the taller one isn't too bad looking. They both have great forms.

[Princess Mononoke]

Kerry has GREAT hair

everyone admit it!

[Daenerys]

All the picture's I've seen it's kinda poofy.

OH! Bush dances. C'mon, he danced during the little speech things. That was awesome.

[Queen-of-Mars]

Kerry does have good hair. I'll be the first to admit that.

[amuro1]

bush all the way man!!!

[Leo Seta]

I'm English, but it still effects me. If I had a vote I'd go with Kerry... yes yes I know all that rubbish about the fact that Bush is a "strong" leader but seriously people, wouldn't you rather have a President that didn't stand there for 7 seconds in a debate with his mouth open, not retorting... exactly...

[Queen-of-Mars]

ha, good comment. Kerry is naturally a better person with debates because he HAS been doing it all his life. That is a very good perk. Bush was horrible in the first debate, but he did come back stronger for the second and third.

[Princess Mononoke]

yeah come on wouldnt you rather have a leader that doesnt just sit there and stare for 30 minutes after the 9/11 attack and do NOTHING!

[Milly]

I chose Kerry. Too bad I can't vote. Boo-hoo!

He seems like a good prez. Maybe he could do the stuff, Bush was too lazy to do.

[Vetus]

Even I don't know much thing about Kerry, I would vote him in order not to be elected Bush. I mean, Bush doesn't have the qualifications to be a good president. (If you have seen Michael Moor's movies and read his books, you know what I mean). And NO, I wouldn't vote him because he dances good and he has two hadsome twin daughters. We're talikng about the future of USA, not the best dancer!

If only John Kenedy was alive...

[Elfy]

I'd prefer Kerry even though being from Australia i don't vote. it was bad enough here that John Howard got in again, him and bush are bad news....

[Princess Minako]

I vote Bush, in truth his IQ is higher than Kerry...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/898432.cms

He's done a ton in the wake of 9/11, and PLEASE dear god don't EVER say that you believe the propaganda money monger Michael Moore, he is so hypocritical. Check out his interview with I believe Katie Couric where when asked if he's going to give any of his MILLIONS he made off of his move to the VICTIMS of 9/11 or families of victims he said "We're holding a fund raiser at the end of the week".

The only reason people like Kerry is because he's "not bush", Bush won't lose because Kerry's better, and in truth thats the best thing Kerry has going for him. He can't pick a stance and changes his with whichever way the political wind is blowing. If Bush is doing such a horrendous job why is the race such a dead heat? and why come election day almost 50% of the country will be voting for him.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Alyssa]

In democracy, both are corrupt!! I can't believe what the Americans have to put up with, they got one guy who was worse off, than he was before war <Bush>, then they got another guy who's not that different either <Kerry>. If I were to choose, I'd say neither and let somebody else take the spin. Either way, I don't think either might do a good job - I've seen no one do a really good job in the past 3 or so years, and I think Americans are really under a dilemma here. Bush or Kerry? I wouldn't pick em at all! Y'all don't be influenced by CNN, they are a bunch of hypocrites... see from the other people's side of the story, they'll tell ya what they think!!!... Always reports from Bush and Kerry Supporters... what about the people who disagree?! There's more sitting at home than actually voting cuz of this wretched elections - Americans aren't dumb, they know they hate their guts - the public in general find them as complete losers, some of them, that is...

*Politicians are corrupt. These two are just mad warfare... Please, somebody step up in the podium and shock me, if they do indeed make the world a better place! :<_<: That's my two cents...

**Edit: We just need a new politician here... *sigh

[dark_aer6]

Kerry...
even if i live nowhere near the U.S.....:laugh:

[Alyssa]

Kerry...
even if i live nowhere near the U.S.....:laugh:
Yeah my vote wouldn't count anyways. In Canada, lol - I'm undecided ^_^

[Axel Stone]

Kerry = No..

And I agree with everything Minako just said. >_<;;

[Anime_Overload]

Bush all the way. This guy has done alot to help protect us in these uncertian times. Kerry wants to cut and run out of Iraq before we have stablized the country. And you want to talk about putting the country in jepordy, he wants to cut off almost all talking with N.Korea and let them do what ever they want to. Bush wants to include China, Japan, Indoniasa, and S.Korea into talks with the U.S. and N.Korea.

Plus Kerry wants to cut all Imports from Japan by at least half. That includs all Anime products! That translates into paying alot more for your anime. Bush wants to keep the trading with Japan as it is.

[Axel Stone]

GASP!!!

Now I really do "dislike" Kerry.. XD LOL!

[DownRight-eviL]

I'm undecided. They both seem like very bad choices to me. It might be that if Bush wins, he might get a lot of people drafted to the war in Iraq, and if Kerry wins, I dunno what MIGHT happen. All depends. Quite frankly, I hope we get to have another election with different candidates the next time.

[Taikyo]

i say Kerry cuz i dont know why Bush wanted a war that lasting this loong....plus he's sending my friends and family to war

[nữ hoàng]

I prefer Kerry.I had to research all the uissues for school.Im for Kerry all the way!

[Princess Minako]

Bush has said OVER AND OVER AND OVER again THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT! Its propaganda thats being started from the democratic party.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Mariya Shidō]

Im for Kerry , and for monarchy . Vote me for emperor . And Bushs daughters arent hot , unless you got low standards . Lauren Bush is ok , guess she descends from the non alcohol/cocaine addict branch of the family . Now again vote for me , and i make sure all national socialists get a dose of their own medicine serving as charcoal in power plants , same goes for religious fanatics and terrorists .

[Princess Minako]

Everyone agrees with Kerry's issues. He is all stances on all issues. Now the question really is does he have the conviction to carry through with a decision.... providing he actually makes one he'll stick with.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Nullpunkt]

If it weren't too late for me to change my ticket, I'd probably vote for Nader. I refuse to vote for either Bush or Kerry.

[Chilly]

We had a little mock election in our school yesterday. :) Kerry won...bwahaha. That should say it all. Kerry all ze way!

[willow-chan]

If it weren't too late for me to change my ticket, I'd probably vote for Nader. I refuse to vote for either Bush or Kerry. id prolly vote nader too

[Chilly]

Voting for nader is like voting for Bush...>_>

I would think people would know now from the last election. Plus nader is a fool. A real idjit. o_O; Look how he tried to get on the Penn's ballot. WHat a doosh.

[Knightmare686]

im moving to japan to get away from this bs.

[inu_fan12345]

i think bush should win but then again i'm only 14 :duel: :noevil: :sofa: :rollt: :band2: :mopedb: :groupwave :Bump:


SRRRRYY bored

[Princess Mononoke]

more like bush has 47% of the polls.. thats sad when a former president can't break 50%.

Bush nor Kerry will pass the draft act because it didnt pass, so no worries there.

[Tenchi Masaki]

I will most likely vote for Kerry because my family is Democrat. Just watching Farenheit 911 made me want to vote for him even more(although I'm looking forward to the movie that's suppose to be the opposite of it, just a rumor a heard don't know if it's valid).

Hopefully when I get older and more political, I'll be able to have a firm stand on which party I'm going to side with in the future.

[Kyo Kusanagi]

Nader a fool? Ralph Nader deserves a lot of credit. He's been lobbying a lot on several important issues since 30 years ago. Like the whole thing when General Motors (He wrote a book called Unsafe at Any Speed which criticized certain companies of not taking the required safety rules regarding reducing the possible harm to a human in a car wreck) hired a private detective to try and discredit his information, which horribly backfired. For good measure, its because of him that ....

the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
the Consumer Product Safety Act
the Freedom of Information Act

Were passed.


In any case, I'm going for Bush. European relations are at risk if Kerry gets to be president. Especially with Russia ....

[Eris]

Goku? What are you talking about? Europe despises Bush. He's single handedly killed every trace of confidence the europeans ever had for the US.

[Nullpunkt]

Understand me on this... I don't like any of the candidates. I'd sooner vote for Jeff Foxworthy to be President than any of these guys.

[Kyo Kusanagi]

Goku? What are you talking about? Europe despises Bush. He's single handedly killed every trace of confidence the europeans ever had for the US.


I agree its worse than it has been. But a new president will do nothing to help the situation. There was actually an article of it on Yahoo a few days ago.

[Eris]

I live in Europe and believe me when i tell you, Kerry would be better then Bush when it comes to international relations. Bush has gotten such a bad rep for going behind UNs back that he simply isn't trustworthy any more.

[____]

If i could vote, then i would probably vote for Kerry.

Nader has brought up very good points. neither kerry, nor bush have explained how we are going to get out of Iraq. Bush just said that we will win.
he also wants to drag in Thailand, but the US was the one that set the fuel to the fire. and now........
KABOOM!!!!!!!

Even though Nader has brought up good points of many issues, it seems like he hasn't exactly thought it through yet. also, what is the point of running if the percentage of votes you get are around 2%-3%? either, he's an idiot (just quoted what some ppl i know said.) or he is trying to prove a point. we haven't seen a whole lot of nader so how can the voters know that he is the right choice for america?

We have a huge mess here. Bush has tainted Kerry and his record. saying that kerry didn't earn his medals is a lie. it has been proven by the army (or some army command thing. i can't remember at the moment.) that he did in fact earn his medals. (my sources, the U.S. news on TV.)

Kerry is a much better speaker in debates. bush just stands there at times with his mouth open. you have to admit, bush looked pretty bad in the first debate.

for kerry, instead of letting bush just abuse him and his record, he should take action and say, this is not true. then have proof to back it up.

to me, bush doesn't have proof of the things he says about Kerry's record. if Bush wants to be president, then come clean and don't win because you told lies to the public.

Bush shouldn't of taken action against Iraq like the way he did. he went to war without "group permission" you could say.

as for cutting half of the imports from japan, that may be true but you should look beyond that. also, you shouldn't vote for bush just because he is a great dancer or if he has attractive daughters. one vote can make all the difference for the future of the ppl in america.

-pauses-
OH GOD! I THINK I'VE BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH TV! >.<
Oo;
eh heh heh.......... -runs out of the room quickly-

[Princess Mononoke]

I live in Europe and believe me when i tell you, Kerry would be better then Bush when it comes to international relations. Bush has gotten such a bad rep for going behind UNs back that he simply isn't trustworthy any more.
yes bush and europe=bad and he hasnt even thought about north korea

[Die Tod von Euch]

I could have sworn a commity was already formed to deal with North Korea. A commity of several countries including the US. A commity that Kerry wants to totally ignore so that he can have unilateral dealings with North Korea... Oh yeah, that'll make other countries just love us to bits and form really strong alliances...

Speaking of which, I still want to know exactly HOW Kerry plans to get more alliances for dealing with Iraq... He has yet to say anything besides that he will get them..

[____]

but has bush explained how he will get more alliances?
as far as i know, none of them have explained this.

(oh god no! not again!)

By the way........
Even though Kerry may change his mind a lot, it could mean that he has found a better plan.
Bush, who just sticks to one thing, would probably go straight through with it without thinking of anything that may be better once some time has passed.

[Kyo Kusanagi]

One of the key strategies of a politician is to evade the question at hand. You'll notice during the debates both spoke of what they would do, but not how they would do it.

[Die Tod von Euch]

I don't recall Bush even stating that he was going to go out and get more alliances. I recall him constantly correcting Kerry on the fact that the US already HAS alliances in Iraq, and that they have been helping.

*shrugs* Personally, I hate them both and want a different choice (besides Nader...). But, I went into this election year thinking I would vote for Kerry, and at the moment I'm leaning quite heavily towards Bush. After watching the debates, doing research and holding discussions in my US history class...I still think they both suck. But, Bush, in my opinion, is the lesser of the two evils. And in this election, much like the last one, that's what it pretty much has to come down to. (I hated both Gore and Bush last time.)

I don't really think this is the place to have this kind of thread, though. Not only are most of the people on here too young to vote, but because of that they tend to be rather uninformed. We also have a lot of people here who aren't even American, so aren't going to be voting on them, anyway.

[____]

One of the key strategies of a politician is to evade the question at hand. You'll notice during the debates both spoke of what they would do, but not how they would do it.
ah, thank you Legendary Gokou. >.<
the americans just can't depend on the info. of what the candidates are going to do. the ideas of what they are going to do may be what gives someone a lead, but you will never be the best candidate for president unless you know how to do it. and if you don't know how to do it then it's basically going blind from there or making desicions (god i can't spell today!) as you go.

either way, america is basically going down the tubes.

if you don't have at least a bit of an idea of how you are going to do something, then you will never be the best.

[Eris]

The death of you: Check out badnarik. He's a nice alternative to nader.

[____]

by the way,
as for bush wanting assistance from other countries such as Thailand, he wants to drag Thailand into this. Thailand has offered an aircraft carrier to be stationed as a hospital by providing doctors as a humanity for both sides. But, it has been declined by the United States. Bush really hasn't thought about the issues that Thailand is currently facing at the moment. They have enough to worry about and their offer should be enough. if they are "forced" to help, then that would just creat more problems for Thailand. the same goes for other countries. (-can't remember countries at the moment because of the evil effects of school.-) Either the US accepts Thailand's offer/ other countries, or they just won't help at all.

[Deathscythe]

Personally i couldnt care no matter what in the end everything will be messed up anyway.. but moving on Bush has had his shot at being President, he sucked and screwed up, i say Kerry may as well be voted he cant exactly make any bigger mistakes

[nữ hoàng]

If i could vote, then i would probably vote for Kerry.

Nader has brought up very good points. neither kerry, nor bush have explained how we are going to get out of Iraq. Bush just said that we will win.
he also wants to drag in Thailand, but the US was the one that set the fuel to the fire. and now........
KABOOM!!!!!!!

Even though Nader has brought up good points of many issues, it seems like he hasn't exactly thought it through yet. also, what is the point of running if the percentage of votes you get are around 2%-3%? either, he's an idiot (just quoted what some ppl i know said.) or he is trying to prove a point. we haven't seen a whole lot of nader so how can the voters know that he is the right choice for america?

We have a huge mess here. Bush has tainted Kerry and his record. saying that kerry didn't earn his medals is a lie. it has been proven by the army (or some army command thing. i can't remember at the moment.) that he did in fact earn his medals. (my sources, the U.S. news on TV.)

Kerry is a much better speaker in debates. bush just stands there at times with his mouth open. you have to admit, bush looked pretty bad in the first debate.

for kerry, instead of letting bush just abuse him and his record, he should take action and say, this is not true. then have proof to back it up.

to me, bush doesn't have proof of the things he says about Kerry's record. if Bush wants to be president, then come clean and don't win because you told lies to the public.

Bush shouldn't of taken action against Iraq like the way he did. he went to war without "group permission" you could say.

as for cutting half of the imports from japan, that may be true but you should look beyond that. also, you shouldn't vote for bush just because he is a great dancer or if he has attractive daughters. one vote can make all the difference for the future of the ppl in america.

-pauses-
OH GOD! I THINK I'VE BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH TV! >.<
Oo;
eh heh heh.......... -runs out of the room quickly-I so agree!

[Princess Minako]

Uhm look up the senate voting record... there is your proof on Kerry's record. He's barely been in the senate to vote, he's missed almost 75% of the votes. If I didn't show up to work 75% of the time, I'd be fire... he does it and runs for presidency

The Goddess has Spoken

[Princess Mononoke]

uhm look at bush's air force record, he didn't show up for his test, but of course you should know that ^^;

[noir]

aaagh what nice way to put that america is actually has a fascist political system where only 2 candidates have a prayer of winning the two parties are virtually identical and the popular vote doesnt always win pure genious,.

[Ollie]

Un-d-sited.

Although, i think Bush'll win the actual election. He's not doing a brilliant job of president, but look at his competition.

Although, it really pisses me off when people say that the reason he should win is because 'he can make up his mind.' I don't agree with half of his choices, and at least Kerry listens. >.<

[nữ hoàng]

i like neither but bush has to go

[Die Tod von Euch]

And I dislike it when people say they will vote for Kerry simply because they don't like Bush. I believe I stated this in another thread... It makes no sense to vote for someone when you really have no idea if he'll be better or worse than the other candidate. People keep saying that Bush sucks, is stupid, did a horrible job. Who's to say Kerry won't be just as bad, if not worse? Well, perhaps, as Minako pointed out, Kerry's political background will help show that.

And you want to know what I find VERY interesting? Zel Miller, who is a very well respected DEMOCRAT is constantly speaking AGAINST Kerry. Why? Because he feels that the man's record more than speaks for itself. He also states how he thinks most of the Democratic party has been changing...and not for the better. That should say something... But, of course, most people who are already dead set on anti-Bush will ignore it and pretty much everything else. Like I said before, I was actually pro-Kerry to start with... Many things just keep showing up that made me change my mind.

[Kyo Kusanagi]

To be honest, Bush has had a Republican speak against him as well. I don't recall the name (I'm really bad with this stuff), but I can at least attest that both sides have a person in the same party speaking against their own presidential candidate.


As for George Bush attacking John Kerry's record, that issue has came and past. John McCain (A Republican Senator) spoke against the ads and said that questioning someone's service in war is not the way to go. Bush agreed, and the ads were dropped.


Of all the senators serving right now, John McCain has my respect the most. He's not in favor only of those in his party (He was a favorite to join Kerry for vice president, but decided to campaign for Bush instead), and will speak what he believes is true. I find that admirable to see in politics nowadays.

[Gil]

I don't like either, but Kerry would probably be better. I personally think Colon Powell should run, but he still remains a part of the cabinet.

[inuyasha_kagome]

definatly Kerry. he isn't trying to get a Constitutional Amendment banning gay and lesbian marriage. that's the biggest reason i chose him because i m bi my friend is a lebo and my other friends mom and sister are lesbos:ooh: :ooh: :ooh:

[Die Tod von Euch]

Gokou, I meant Kerry's POLITICAL record, not his service in Nam.

kagome, that was a political ploy to get the Bible-thumping Christian voters... It's something that he knew would never go through. And do you REALLY think Cheney would support something like that if there really was a snowball's chance? His daughter is a lesbian... Besides, marriage is something that's governed on a STATE level. That's why it would NEVER become a Constitutional amendment....

[Kyo Kusanagi]

Gokou, I meant Kerry's POLITICAL record, not his service in Nam.



Understood. That one statement was in reference to what Mr. Underscore said, though.

[Kitsune-Hanyou]

Kerry vote for me..

[Yunfei]

I believe Bush just wants to stop terror clean up the issue on taxes adn stop the public affection of gays

I say Bush all the way

[MistressPookyChan]

I'm more of a moderate conservative, so I would vote for Bush. However, i just FINALLY got my absentee ballot, so I think it's a bit late.

[nữ hoàng]

Because Bush plans to drill oil in the artic wildlife conservative area,i cote kerry all the way

[Yunfei]

Bush people... Bush:mad:

[razor_taku]

kerry suks vote for your mom

[Myrra]

I've already voted and I'm not saying...besides there are more than just those two to choose from...we also had the independent party, the libertarian party and the reform party to choose from.

[Mecha-Griever]

I'm itching to get involved... I love politics... Even crappy American politics.. *laughs*

All I'll say that is that twice the percentage of Kerry sympathizers have read actually read his manifesto than that of Bush followers reading his... Enough said...

M~G

[Bubblegum Pop]

BUSH!!!! go bush!!! screw kerry!:p

[Anime_Overload]

Listen up. the last thing we need in the country is a president that will hesitate on dission making that could cost this country dearly. Kerry is the kind of guy in which he will hesitate on just about everything, and in these uncertian times we need a president that will make a dission quickly and desisively and then stick to it. Bush is just that man for the job. He might be a little bit od a stubord Texian but at least he sticks to his planes and trys his darndist to get them to work. Trust me when i say this, If kerry is elected president then this country will goto hell in a handbasket. He wants to treat the terrorist threat like it was just a nussance and not a real threat. THAT IS THE LAST THING WE NEED A LEADER TO DO! Bush is the kind of guy who would wake up n the morning, scratch his balls, and say "Let's kill some (bad word) Terrorists!"

GO BUSH!!!!!

[Mecha-Griever]

That was a real cowboy statement. If that were indeed what you were looking for in someone to elad your country, why not just pick up any old hick from down south, and exchange his straw hat and pitchfork for the oval office? Surely you need to justify your means on an evidential basis, and at the same time not go under mere assumptions made just because Bush so happens to be a man of blind faith, and seemingly blind reason due to his use of a wire in recent debates. Vote for who you wish, I count my blessings everyday that we never have candidates who so seriously lack in the intelligence or leadership departments, and who, no matter how much we dislike them, actually accumulate positive results for the economy, society, and for the people domestically and internationally.

M~G

[Mariya Shidō]

To those it may concern:

Erm , stick to the topic kids rather than repeating the ol`paroles , its sufficient if you say whod you vote ONCE . Its not necessary to repeat it 3598 times , and its sure not necessary to add alot of the "!!!!!!" things , they dont really help making a point . And please dont rape your own language .

[ryu-otaku]

I believe Bush just wants to stop terror clean up the issue on taxes adn stop the public affection of gays

I say Bush all the way But bush is a stupid jerk!:badrazz:

[Yunfei]

Again I have to say like I did in another post Ryu does ot know anything everything he says is crap.



Oh, and Bush is a chimp:p

[Eris]

Yunfei: Exactly how is he planning to fund all this?

[En Svensk Tiger]

I believe Bush just wants to stop terror clean up the issue on taxes adn stop the public affection of gays

I say Bush all the way
BUSH!!!! go bush!!! screw kerry!
WE NEED A LEADER TO DO! Bush is the kind of guy who would wake up n the morning, scratch his balls, and say "Let's kill some (bad word) Terrorists!"
GO BUSH!!!!!
But bush is a stupid jerk!
Oh, and Bush is Best
kerry suks vote for your momWell, ain't this election gonna be a lot of fun?
I can't wait... It will be just like watching the final of American Idol, only here, the result matters..
Vote blank.. They both want the same, they both are the same..

[Eris]

I feel a conspiracy theory forming in my head.

Bush is Kerry.

[Hera]

Here're the reasons that I think Kerry is a better candidate:

1. Kerry is obviously a much better debater/speaker than Bush.

2. Kerry supports immigrant students to go to colleges freely, while Bush - with his Patriot Act - restricts that Iraqi/Afghanistanian students can't. And I'm tired of Bush's discriminatory policy.

3. Bush spent too much money on unimportant things already; he doesn't care about many people in the USA who're living in poverty. In addition, Bush has objected the use of renewable resources and gave away all those precious resources and money into building arms instead of supporting higher education like Kerry wants to.

4. Bush's fighting Iraq was initiated by his rancor (due to the Persian Gulf War carried out by his father - George Bush). Many people had predicted that Bush would take revenge on Iraq, and it came out true.

5. I watched the Presidential Debates: Kerry presented his points fluently while Bush kept saying "My point is." Kerry addressed to the intellectuals, which made him more intelligent. In the first Presidential Debate, Bush leaned on his podium in a commanding way; it's a VERY bad speech style ; "Our President looked so little (quoted from my Speech Coach). On that night, everyone acknowledged that Kerry looked more presidential: He stood there, high and tall.

6. The 9/11 and the war that Bush carried out against the Middle East make me tired. All he wants are: vengeance and the oil ore there.

[Ollie]

adn stop the public affection of gaysumm...what?

[Alyssa]

urgh, the Presidential Campaign is back... agh... and I didn't punch in my vote yet!! SHOCKING!! lol

[DownRight-eviL]

Presidential elections... We have bad... VERY BAD candidates this time.. UGH!

-_-;

[Pixiedancer]

They're not THAT bad......I still agree.

[Annik]

I feel a conspiracy theory forming in my head.

Bush is Kerry.
I agree.

Either way, we're screwed.

[Alyssa]

I agree.

Either way, we're screwed.Thank god, reality sinks in. What choices do you Americans have nowadays? lol

I feel sorry for you people...

[Annik]

Believe me, I understand that we're stuck with two very stiff, old, and DUMB candidates.

It doesn't matter who we vote for, life is going to suck.

All we can hope for is that we have a good Vice President and someone assassinates the Pres. Or, someone kidnaps him.

We should just vote for a woman. I swear, if we found a smart woman, we'd get out of this mess.

[Ollie]

Bush might as well be re-elected. If we're going to vote an idiot into office, at least we should choose the same one so we don't have to make any new jokes.

[Annik]

Actually, that's a good point.

[Daenerys]

Some guy was following me home today, bugging me about who I was going to vote for since there weren't any "rocker" canidates. He was so annoying.

"So are you going to vote for Bush or Kerry?"
"You should vote for Kerry!"
"Kerry this, Kerry that."

Man..

[Belldandy]

Bush has a higher intellect than kerry by 5 points. So how is Kerry more intellectual?

OK the Iraqi war.... SADDAM WAS PAYING THE FAMILIES OF SUICIDE BOMBERS TO BOMB US EMBASSIES. THE US INTERCEPTED WMD'S COMING FROM RUSSIA TO IRAQ.

I thought if I wrote it in Caps you might actually read it. The war was needed. There are obvious ties being found out between Al Zarquawi and Saddam. Iraq was not about oil, if it was we would have drained their fields by now and left. But we're staying to set up a system of government.

The Patriot Act.... come search my house any time you want, I have nothing to hide. If searching houses randomly of people who are suspected terrorists saves 1 american life, ITS TOTALLY WORTH IT. If you have nothing to hide why care? Come on in CIA.

And you are damn right Bush wants vengance. I want Saddam to feel the wrath of america too. He paid people to kill americans. He supported organizations that waged war on the US. You better believe, sure as Hell is hot, that I want vengance against anyone who would dare hurt this country. He was a mass murdering, megalomanical dictator that wouldn't think twice about genociding his own people. Ever Iraqi I have ever met has been 100% for this war and for Bush. I saw the Iraqi's dancing in the street in dearborn Michigan the day Saddam was captured. I saw a teacher CRY saying it was the happiest day of his life. One of our realtors skipped around our office and told us that she was no longer afraid that her family would be randomly killed. All of whom were iraqi's.

So apparently you are feeding off of the left wing propaganda just like they want you to. I'd post proof to this all but I already did so in another thread and don't feel like looking it all up again as it is late and I have to work tomorrow.


FYI I did vote today and I voted Bush. I'd rather have someone with convictions and a solid record than someone who is chafed from straddling the fence. In the words of Guliani "He has some things that he wants to get done, things that are unmovable and no matter what anyone says he will get them done". He's done one of them, ridding the world of Saddam, and he's hit a major blow to the Al Quada.

Theresa Heinz Kerry is also the embodyment of everything bad of Eva Peron. She will alienate and show nothing but the "Ugly American" as the first lady. Just as Eva alienated and was "kicked out of" England and many other european countrys for her behavior, theresa will do pretty much the same thing. Is that how you really want America Represented. Yeah Kerry is really "Of the people".
The Goddess has Spoken

[DownRight-eviL]

Believe me, I understand that we're stuck with two very stiff, old, and DUMB candidates.

It doesn't matter who we vote for, life is going to suck.

All we can hope for is that we have a good Vice President and someone assassinates the Pres. Or, someone kidnaps him.

We should just vote for a woman. I swear, if we found a smart woman, we'd get out of this mess.
OH MY GAWD!! I totally agree with you! You're good... oO; Someone assassinate him! Or let women be presidents... man... what stupid idiots we got for politicians.. Not letting women run for president... >_<

[Princess Minako]

Uhm its the american people who won't vote for a woman to be a presidential candidate. The democrats had a female as a "nominee" but when the caucasses came around no one voted for her. Its not the politicians its the People around you.

I totally think its stupid and immature to wish the President dead. Its not even remotely funny.

Yes I was signed in as Belldandy. I was rearranging the account.

The Goddess has Spoken

[DownRight-eviL]

Uhm its the american people who won't vote for a woman to be a presidential candidate. The democrats had a female as a "nominee" but when the caucasses came around no one voted for her. Its not the politicians its the People around you.

I totally think its stupid and immature to wish the President dead. Its not even remotely funny.

Yes I was signed in as Belldandy. I was rearranging the account.

The Goddess has Spoken
Oh! Okay! Well I wasn't trying to be funny. >_< I was just saying it'd be good if we didn't have a presiden-
Ahhh Well... Might as well not try to argue with you. But I still wish women could run for president. -_-

[Anime_Overload]

to the 21 people who have "voted" for Kerry i just want to ask you this. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY DOUPLE THE PRICE FOR YOUR ANIME!?!?!? because if Kerry is elected then he is going to cut all imports from Japan by half! That includes anime people!!!!

[Princess Minako]

Anime is the least of America's worries. I would not base voting on a candidate on that.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Eris]

A Overload, are you willing to sacrifice 100,000 more civilians (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/29/62614/814) for cheap anime?

[DarkGundamPilot]

These posts seem to pop up everywhere.....

[Mariya Shidō]

If Bush beats Kerry by 5 points , then Kerry would have an IQ of 86 , would be hard to read and write then i guess . I bet that IQ(Hillary) = IQ (John)+IQ(Dubya) , but i guess chauvinism is still too strong , even though we should know who really is the tougher gender .

Besides i fail to see where Bush is a man of action , as he didnt finish the Afghanistan , nor the Iraq matter , if you want to pacify those countries , nuke 100% of their surface and start over . If you want to fight terrorism , drop the remaining nukes on Saudi Arabia , e voila , world peace . And if your prez doesnt have the guts to fulfill what he promised , vote me . At least i wouldnt allow Iraq to become a 100% copy of Iran . And dont forget , every killed or humiliated civilian has family , who will gladly dedicate their lives to get revenge , unless of course , they dont love their relatives . Add to this the fact that those who cooperate with occupants are always considered traitors , check what french resistance members did with those who collaborated with german occupants . You either rule with an iron fist , or you retreat , that are the options .

And Mr. Overload , who cares about comics , if theres much more important issues ? Thats the most ridiculous argument pro Bush i ever heard .

[Princess Minako]

Kerry will retreat 100%. Bush has actually stuck it out. How many Americans have been captured and murdered in an attempt to scare us away and yet we've stood fast. Interesting way of ruling Nighty-kins, just nuke everyone.... I doubt that would work but interesting none the less.

Bush has the guts to see this war through, Kerry will appeal to countries like France who was in on the oil for food scandal and was payrolling Saddam while we were trying to find him, as well as selling him missles to use against us. You think that that country will care about the well being of america and its citizens.

What Bush had to deal with in his presidency is nothing like what any other leader has ever had to deal with. This is the only time in the history of America where they have attacked mainland US. WW1, mainland US was not attacked. WW2 mainland US was not attacked, altho yes they did try but it failed miserably. They hit us on our own soil. yes this is where the ultra liberal people from across the pond start jumping and yelling "now how do you like it.. wah wah wah... you deserved it look at what you do". Sorry but life isn't fair, in the words of General Tojo "We have awoken a sleeping Giant"If you wish to retaliate on us for what America does be prepared for what happens in the wake. We bombed the hell out of tora bora, and as for all that "we outsourced to afghani war lords" yeah THEY KNEW THE LAY OF THE LAND. Lets send in American troops that don't know the lay of the land and see how many we can get killed, or we can send in natives who know where to go and how to look and let them take the bullets. But no thats outsourcing not attempting to conserve american lives. There is such a double standard that it isn't even funny.

And about the IQ, Kerry's is 115-120 and Bush's is 120-125.
The Goddess has Spoken

[Kumi]

This is the last day to vote on this poll.....so for those of you who have yet to vote ....plz do so!....

[Mariya Shidō]

Catch me online and i tell you about Germany`s point of view . And you shouldnt take me seriously about nuking everyone . I just wanted to point out that there are few options to pacify muslim countries due to a lack of tradition considering democracy .

[Princess Minako]

Nighty-kins I never take you seriously like that, <3.... you're my spiffy german friend with a narrow room! ^_~ I doubt that we'll be able to speak online seeing as how I'm at work most of the day and morning (USA est time). But PM me and we can talk all you want.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Kaitou Ace]

A Overload, are you willing to sacrifice 100,000 more civilians (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/29/62614/814) for cheap anime?

not quite 100,000 (http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/)

[Anime_Overload]

Oh yes Germany, the country that tryed to take over Europe 2 and failed, and then we Americans and Brits had to save ya'lls butts when Russia blocked off all supplies from west Berlin with something called the Berlin Airlift.

Oh and France, lovely France. Yes I know with out you guys there wouldn't even be an America, but on the other hand there wouldn't be a France with out us. Apperantly they have forgotten 2 little wars that we had to pull their butts out of the frire called WW1 and WW2. Not to mention in the last few years France's Economy has been failing and we have been sending billions of dollars to keep them afloat.

And BTW Princess Minako I know that there are more issuses at stake than just our anime, but this is an anime forum and some people here want to have their anime protected.

Oh and Eudial the terrible that web thing you gave me is nothing but a bunch of BS. Yes i know that we are going to lose more troops in Iraq and Afganistan in the years following this one until they are stablized, but the casualties will never even come close to the deaths that we would recive if we drop our gaurd again. If we do we open ourselves up to another 9/11, or mabye even worse.

The last president who had to deal with something even close to September 11 was FDR., with Pearl Harbor, we were forced to goto war. Oh and Look he was a DEMOCRAT! To say that GWB didn't need to goto war with Iraq because they didn't attack us is like saying that FDR didn't need to goto war with Germany because they weren't the country that attacked us in 1942!

And you people who keep complaining about we loseing troops Daily 2 or 3 at a time, shut-up that's what war is darnit! AND if you compare the casualtiy numbers of this war with other wars like WW2 or even the war of 1812 have lost less troops than any other war we have been in! I think our military leaders have done a stupendious job keeping the number of casualties to this low level!

And Kerry saying that he would have waited for other countries to come with us before we declared war is nothing but a bunch of BS. WE HAVE 33 other counties in Iraq helping us to fight and rebuild Iraq, including Japan! He has also been anti war ever since after the Veitname war. If you look at his record he has voted everytime to reduce the military size and weapons and overall strength of our military. Which is just the same and telling the terrorists to come on in and kill who ever you want!

No one likes war unless they are a nutcase, but sometimes we have no other choice. And before 9/11 4 of our embassies (which is concidered US terrortory) were bombed killing more than 200 people and we had the patients to stand down and not retaliate, but after 9/11 we had no other choice. In these uncertian times we need a leader that isn't afraid to take the fight to their back yard and not our own. And George W. Bush is that man!! no ifs ands or butts!

[plzjustdie]

any1 who votes for bush is a damn (sorry for my language) idiot just like him

[En Svensk Tiger]

Anime Overload...come on...Here are Minako And Kaitou trying hard to provide reasonable material for voting Bush, and then you come running and ruins it all.

First of all, the world (including the US) have to take some responsibility for WW2. After WW1, we laid all the responsibility on Germany, making them pay us back, and causing an enormous inflation. Germany was at rock bottom after WW2. There was a reason why Hitler got so popular you know.

And when the incident at Pearl Harbour happened, almost all the countries in Europe was engaged in WW2. Which was not the case at 9/11.
And do remember that it was neither Afghanistan nor Iraq who attacked your country. It was a terrorist attack. Terrorists don't have their own countries.

And the reason why so many countries are in Iraq now (including Norway), is because the UN desided that when you first had proceded with the invasion wich was considered illegal, then we could not stand by pretending not to see. So the UN decided to send in forces for rebuilding Iraq.

And the fact is that Kerry did do a great effort in normalizing the diplomatic relation with Vietnam, when he led the investigation regarding the still missing POW's

There are other countries in the world you know..

[Princess Minako]

Just generalize about a massively microcosmic diverse population of Americans. I don't find myself to be an idiot, infact I think that a lot of my reasonings were quite well thought out and articulately conveyed. But according to your massive stereotype I'm a "damned idiot". How incredibly ignorant.

Not once have I ever said "Anyone who votes for Kerry is shady and weak just like he is".

Why is it that I've really only encountered Liberals who say "if you do this you are stupid" I have a LOT of conservative friends including my boyfriends immedeate family. His extended family on his moms side is very Liberal and they're the ones shouting "All republicans are going to Hell" and refuse to even speak to someone because of their political beliefs.

I have a HUGE difference in opinions than Kaitou, but I have no problems being his friend.

Everything Kerry does is for his own political agenda. Like when he was doing protests against he Vietnam War he backed out of the political group he was in as soon as they started doing things that might be harmful or political suicide. He was against the war until Clark gained momentum in the democratic primaries by being for the Iraqi war. Which ever opinion makes you happy is what he thinks. To me that is definatly not someone you'd want for president. You need someone with convictions that will stand by them no matter what. There are certain things you have to be unmovable on, the protection and defense of America as awhole is one of those most important things.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Mecha-Griever]

Just generalize about a massively microcosmic diverse population of Americans. I don't find myself to be an idiot, infact I think that a lot of my reasonings were quite well thought out and articulately conveyed. But according to your massive stereotype I'm a "damned idiot". How incredibly ignorant.

Not once have I ever said "Anyone who votes for Kerry is shady and weak just like he is".

Why is it that I've really only encountered Liberals who say "if you do this you are stupid" I have a LOT of conservative friends including my boyfriends immedeate family. His extended family on his moms side is very Liberal and they're the ones shouting "All republicans are going to Hell" and refuse to even speak to someone because of their political beliefs.

I have a HUGE difference in opinions than Kaitou, but I have no problems being his friend.

Everything Kerry does is for his own political agenda. Like when he was doing protests against he Vietnam War he backed out of the political group he was in as soon as they started doing things that might be harmful or political suicide. He was against the war until Clark gained momentum in the democratic primaries by being for the Iraqi war. Which ever opinion makes you happy is what he thinks. To me that is definatly not someone you'd want for president. You need someone with convictions that will stand by them no matter what. There are certain things you have to be unmovable on, the protection and defense of America as awhole is one of those most important things.

The Goddess has Spoken
Whilst I totally agree with you in the latter half of your argument as that is true about Kerry's allegiance before Clark's intervention, but I think you've been generalising too much as well.

Your assumption seems to be that anyone with liberal inclination would be automatically against conservatives so blindly. The reality of the situation is that conservatives are no less accepting of liberal beliefs as has been shown in recent studies and surveys I have been watching and reading. Myself being British, I will say that attitude toward how one perceives the manifesto of each regime is important, and one should be impartial when picking a candidate to vote for as is the case here. At times over there it seems closer to a war against two sides rather than a 'Democratic' way of deciding which man would be more suitable for leading the most powerful nation in the world.

I hate to come down to such trivial matters, but I must say that if Bush ran for Prime Minister, he wouldn't be able to pass the preliminary test of approval for running. I personally would feel uneasy about how he uses his own religious beliefs to govern a nation that is consists of people from all walks of life. I find this inconsiderate of other cultures, and whether one likes it or not, it will always result in very poor international relations. I think that Kerry is on the track by highlighting the importance of international cooperation, and trying to neutralise the situation.

Bush's patriotic pleas of declaring war on everything remotely associated with acts of terrorism will only go to spur on the opposition to greater realms of atrocities. Seeing innocent British and American people executed on tv is far too atrocious for me to watch. I feel that until a more diplomatic candidate is elected, may he be John Kerry or whoever, the atrocities shall continue as more Middle eastern countries in particular come to view the United States as an enemy.

By the way Princess Minako-sama, you're very much clutching at straws with that IQ thing. Whether one likes it or not, IQ doesn't govern how astute a person is, so perhaps that was the wrong point to make.. It does make me feel happy that I have a higher IQ than them both though. ^_^


One more thing, Anime_Overload... I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt with your comments ever since we first crossed paths in AG. But its quite simple now, you're too immature and intolerant for my tastes. And even if this post does get edited, I will say this.. Just because those countries aren't American doesn't give you the right to insult those countries like that. As a European, I find it terribly insulting and absolutely arrogant of you to mention them in a thread which has no bearing on those matters. One could easily mention how a primitive Oriental country had defeated the US, but do you want to know why it wasn't mentioned? Because it has absolutely nothing to do with George W Bush or John Kerry. Grow up.


M~G

[SwOrDzYs]

ur posts are too long that they hurt my eyes O.o shut eyes!!!! xX I vote for Bush

[Princess Minako]

I'm not generalizing I'm just stating what I've found in my life. I'm sure there are liberals who are quite open minded, like Kaitou... we are best friends you know.

As for the IQ thing, it mostly is to prove that Bush is not as stupid as everyone tries to say.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Alyssa]

Whilst I totally agree with you in the latter half of your argument as that is true about Kerry's allegiance before Clark's intervention, but I think you've been generalising too much as well.

Your assumption seems to be that anyone with liberal inclination would be automatically against conservatives so blindly. The reality of the situation is that conservatives are no less accepting of liberal beliefs as has been shown in recent studies and surveys I have been watching and reading. Myself being British, I will say that attitude toward how one perceives the manifesto of each regime is important, and one should be impartial when picking a candidate to vote for as is the case here. At times over there it seems closer to a war against two sides rather than a 'Democratic' way of deciding which man would be more suitable for leading the most powerful nation in the world.

I hate to come down to such trivial matters, but I must say that if Bush ran for Prime Minister, he wouldn't be able to pass the preliminary test of approval for running. I personally would feel uneasy about how he uses his own religious beliefs to govern a nation that is consists of people from all walks of life. I find this inconsiderate of other cultures, and whether one likes it or not, it will always result in very poor international relations. I think that Kerry is on the track by highlighting the importance of international cooperation, and trying to neutralise the situation.

Bush's patriotic pleas of declaring war on everything remotely associated with acts of terrorism will only go to spur on the opposition to greater realms of atrocities. Seeing innocent British and American people executed on tv is far too atrocious for me to watch. I feel that until a more diplomatic candidate is elected, may he be John Kerry or whoever, the atrocities shall continue as more Middle eastern countries in particular come to view the United States as an enemy.

By the way Princess Minako-sama, you're very much clutching at straws with that IQ thing. Whether one likes it or not, IQ doesn't govern how astute a person is, so perhaps that was the wrong point to make.. It does make me feel happy that I have a higher IQ than them both though. ^_^


One more thing, Anime_Overload... I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt with your comments ever since we first crossed paths in AG. But its quite simple now, you're too immature and intolerant for my tastes. And even if this post does get edited, I will say this.. Just because those countries aren't American doesn't give you the right to insult those countries like that. As a European, I find it terribly insulting and absolutely arrogant of you to mention them in a thread which has no bearing on those matters. One could easily mention how a primitive Oriental country had defeated the US, but do you want to know why it wasn't mentioned? Because it has absolutely nothing to do with George W Bush or John Kerry. Grow up.


M~GThank god you people have a mad discussion over these kind of topics. Good thing I am not an American overlooking these sort of issues... you generally covered whatever I had to say! I better just let it slide and relax... its not really that many words to read under my opinion... Very intriguing what you people had to say around to here...

And ha! More IQ than Bush and Kerry, Mecha? Now that's a shocking statement for political standards, however I do believe you. We should just have the world run by the most intelligent people now, shouldn't we? I call it a mock election in my standards, still would not vote for either, thank god...

Pre pro quo, "I'm better than you, you should not become my president" - that's what my angry friend's friend in the US always use to say, since he once decided to run for election back in Alabama of 2000.

Then again,
you people know your reasons. Whoever you vote for, that's your opinion.

[____]

first of all.....
i think i knew that lady who was trying to run for president. Oo; i'm pretty sure but that isn't the point....

woah, go M~G.

and for the IQ thing, even though Bush has a higher IQ, it doens't exactly mean he is "smarter" than Kerry. sure, you may have a high IQ but it depends on how you use your intelligence. (hmmmm.......somehow that sentence doesn't sound right to me. oh well.......-shruggs-) in my opinion, Bush isn't smarter than Kerry, and there is no way you can change my mind on that. so don't even try.

as for Bush sticking to his "plans" you could say....
does that mean (for a wierd ex.) that if Bush finds a way to get rid of terrorism but it involves wiping out half of america in one way or another you goes with it? but then an oppurtunity comes where he can stop terrorism and save america, he doesn't take it. instead he sticks with his choice. oh, that sounds pretty promising to me. (yes, i know, wierd ex. but that was the first thing that came to my mind.) as for kerry, some of you say he changes his mind a lot. well if this were to happen (even though i thought it will.....) he would choose to save the entire america.

however, the ppl that are voting for Bush said he STICKS WITH his choices NO MATTER WHAT. so therefore, the half of america that are going to get wiped out are now screwed.

(AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME THAT I CHOSE A WIERD EX.!)

Bush should of waited for the other countries opinions about going to where. it might of turned out differently than it is now. ever thought of that? i don't care what you say, he shouldn't of gone to war so unorganized like he did.
hmmm, maybe since he went to war, that is why other countries hate Bush.

as for the WW's, that has nothing to do with this topic.

there are bigger issues than anime. (sorry, had to say that even though it was stated. >.<)

and for your info. that you are posting, where are your sources? i would gladly like to see them.

-pauses-
oh no.......did i just go into political mode? Oo;
uh oh.......
and dang that is a long post. ^

[Mecha-Griever]

I'm not generalizing I'm just stating what I've found in my life. I'm sure there are liberals who are quite open minded, like Kaitou... we are best friends you know.

As for the IQ thing, it mostly is to prove that Bush is not as stupid as everyone tries to say.

The Goddess has Spoken
I see, well thats fair enough in that case. It just seemed like you weren't considering the other side to the coin. And yeah, I kind of worked out you're best friends. ^_^

Again though, IQ isn't the be all and end all. I think that Bush is just.... misinformed' and possibly not the greatest public speaker..

Well good luck everyone, and hope which ever candidate you voted for does well.

M~G

[Alyssa]

What's the news on the election campaign? Who won?

[DDR Extreme Fan!]

ahhh... let's see... too late for election\

hm - undecided :<_<:

[Nullpunkt]

lol... I voted for Nader... I was one out of only 74 people in my county who did, and only 30,947 people in Florida voted for him.

[Alyssa]

Read my campaign slogan Rick and you'll see why lol - oi!
Nader... ergh....

[Frozen Tears]

Wth is Votin for Bush anyways!? I mean The man is startin Wars that can be avoided its his Fault that the 9/11 event even occured..and how in the world can he win the election??I know there should like what?2% of the country on his side!!I guess the Majority goes 2 Bush because hmm is it because the WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS IS ON HIS SIDE!? omg....well I guess I voted for the 1st time for no reason because once again Im stuck seein Bush and his ugly mug....well guess now I have 2 make arrangements for an early funeral....

[Genghis Beatrix]

Just announced:

BUSH WON!!!

[Frozen Tears]

GASP
SATA...Uh BUSH WON!?...*starts to dig his grave*

[Princess Minako]

uhm actually Texas is only 34 electoral votes, Kerry has California which is 55 on his side and he didn't win. 51% of the american people voted for Bush. And you really have to be an absolute fool to believe that Bush CAUSED 9/11. It happened less than 1 year into his presidency. As for the economy it was actually going down because CLINTON started investigated the internet/computer stocks. The stock market fell more in the year before 9/11 than it did after wards. So the economy is actually a combination of 9/11 and clinton. Sorry to confuse you with the facts.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Annik]

....

I was surprised no one caught onto the fact that California has a larger electorial vote than any other state.

Besides Princess Minako.

But, again.... there's no reason to freak out now.

If Bush does anything really horrible, you can still impeach him. O_o

[____]

bush won? oh great.....

on the issue on the 9/11 what i found really pathetic as well as disappointing, incredibaly (i can't spell today!), and stupid was the fact that they ACTUALLY LET THE HI-JACKERS (sp?) ONTO THE PLANE! they should of seen the 9/11 coming. after what happened in (i believe) Africa and the previous attempt to destroy the world trade center, it should of been a little obvious to the millitary and all. (or whoever.)

and also, i did know california had 55 electoral votes. X_x X.x Xx; that was a big state to get but it wasn't enough for kerry to win. oh well.....

[Princess Minako]

California always goes Blue. Its a heavily Democratic state, just like Michigan and Pennsylvania and NYC. Those are almost "guaranteed" to democratic candidates. Yes they let those people on the plane, of over 100 years of being a free country NO ONE had ever attacked mainland america, it was something that was totally unfathomable up until 9/11 happened. The whole idea was just proposterous. We are so separated from the rest of the world physically, being on our own continent, that its much more difficult to wage an attack on the US. It was hard to think that anyone would try. Even during the WW's no one ever waged a real attack on the US homeland.

The Goddess has Spoken

[____]

sure, it is popostirus (sp?) but america should still of thought of an attack like the 9/11.
a previous attempt to destroy the world trade center should of brought up a "red flag". the attempt was a black limo with a lot of bombs (or something like that) and for the car to drive into or at least close to the world trade center. however, since the building was so strong not a whole lot of damage was done. that should of given at least the military (or whoever) a clue.

also, being seperated from the rest of the world is a little dangerous, wouldn't you say?

maybe now america will know what to slightly expect in the future. always learn from your mistakes and the events of the past.

[Anime_Overload]

Yes it's true that the Atlantic and Pasific Oceas have separated America from the rest of the world for a while. But I know the reason why so many of you Europeans dislike the concervitive side of America. The reason, your media is about 3 times more liberal than ours. In our media we let both sides have their say and then the people make their own judgments. But in your Media when ever someone wants to say something concervitive the are refused. So you guys only get one side of the story! I garantee you that your media was more like America's then would probably get why we are the way we are. You guys keep thinking that Americans are extremly arrogant. HEH the way your media only allows half the story to be told; that is the untiment expression of arrogance right there.

You have to remeber also that America is still a pretty young country compared to most countries of Europe. Spain, France, and England are almost 800 years older than we are. and so Our forefathers learned from YOUR mistakes.
You guys have national religions from the get go, which has lead to many bloody religious wars in your histories (The Cathlic Ierland against prodistant England being an example of one of the most resent ones). We did not set a nation religion, in fact you have the right to practice any religon here, and how many religious wars have we had? NONE!
For many centuries until recently (i think) your countries opressed the press. We did not (although there are regulations), we gave one of the rights of our country is the freedom of the press and free speach.
You guys had slavery or other forms of forced servitude for more than 800 years in your histories. We had slavery for less than 300.
You guys have had many "rasist" wars. And although we have had many rascial clashes we have never had a racial war. Civil War doesn't count because it was before we had racisim like you know it until the 1900's.

We American love the world, and we do everything we can to be frienly to other nations too, no matter how much they hate us, we except the hate because not everyone is going to like us for 1 reason of another. But we also carry a big stick in out walking of peace. If someone attacks us out of the blue without provaication we will defend yourselves with a vengance. We are a peacful nation, be we will fight if we have to you can be sure of that.

We are the most powerful nation in the world right now, but we didn't do it through military conquests or terrorisium (although the wars he have fought in we gained land, Spainish American war of the 1890's for example we gained Guam and the Phillipines) but through enonomic spreading and diplomacy. Name one other country who became a powerful naition with these methods? We do not force other countries to except out presents in their country rather they choose to.

And yes America has been through many wars, but not once were we ever the insagaters. Revolutionary war being the exception, but that was to gaine Independence. War of 1882- British ships were sinking our ships and kidnapping the crews to work for them. Mexican American war (which was actually against Spain because Spain was still in contol of Mexico at the time)- Mexico invaded Texas and we fought back. Spainish American (although later proven wrong)- we though Spain purposly sunck the U.S.S. Maine. WW1- German U-boat sank the Lousitainia (one of the several reason we were provoked) WW2- Japan attacked us without provication. Korean War- N. Korea invaded out ally S. Korea. Veitname war doesn't count cause we never declared war. GUlf War 1- Iraq invaded out ally Kewiat. War on Terrorisum (which includes Iraq)- 9/11 need i say more.

[Alyssa]

Yes your story is quite compelling. I'm not going to say anything much, but I will agree with "_____" in a lot of things. Well, all worlds aren't generally safe. That's the truth, it's a given.

But also who would have the guts to attack on American soil?? If the Americans get attacked, it would be "the end of the world" as we know it.

All I'm saying is that we should just be humble with what we have. If we see any possible threat, we have to eliminate it before it becomes a conspiracy, and yes - even though many people do hate Americans, it's just a way that they have to stand in order to defend themselves. They have the manpower, they have the technology. The world is actually safer than you think when one country acts as the leader. But many interpret them as a bully as well. That may be fine. But least people forget, sometimes worlds are run better that way. Of course, you can argue my point here and there, but all I need to say is that so far American had been doing a great job all the way around 9/11. After 9/11 was just beyond me. That was when I lost respect for the Americans. They were the true justicers of the land, but after pulling in a stunt of invading Iraq without UN sanction approvals is really an insult to the face of humanity.

Don't always leave people rushing to go to war right away. 9/11 was perfectly fine, it was a chance for revenge and respect. You provoke us, we provoke you. Bush invaded Iraq for other reasons. Go complain oil if you want, go complaint false evidence of mass weapons of destructions. I call that move of urgency for war a complete terrible waste of time. If Bush said he wanted to get rid of Saddam, that would have been the better response in the first place. But then again, he was leaning towards that, and if he would have said that directly, well then Bush would have acted like the one who was threatening other world leaders. Americans aren't like that. They aren't stupid either. But they should have done what they always had from the past. Just use control, and acceptance from others in order to go ahead and move forwards. If you keep pushing your allies aside, they will come back to haunt you. We can do this together. America should not be at a point where it is now. They should ask help for others, don't think this is all about "We got all the power, no one can stop us." Not true. I hope Bush figures this out soon, or else they'd be using us Canadians as a shield to prevent another war against terrorism - and that would be sad indeed... it would be over. Then and there...

[Anime_Overload]

They should ask help for others
or else they'd be using us Canadians as a shield to prevent another war against terrorisum

WE did ask for help! but many nations flat out refused to help us!
Don't be rediculous! We would never intentalliy put you in harms way like that. However if you were to be attacked by terrorists rest assured America would be behind you 100% in fighting back.

[____]

but maybe they hate america is because of how we acted to invade iraq. ever think of that as a possibility. without the permission (or whatever you shall call it.) the UN probably got "disgusted" with America.

[Anime_Overload]

most other nations are scared

[Princess Minako]

The people on the UN commitee were France, Germany and Russia. All whom have been tied to Saddam in one way or another. France was selling him missles with which to fight back against us with, and Russia had a shipment of WMD's that Iraq had purchased from them intercepted. These people were all selling things to Saddam for oil, HELL YES they would be a bit upset if we took him out of power and invaded, there went their easy money.

Seriously, invading Iraq was the right thing to do. This guy was hell bent on destroying America well before any Bush came to presidency.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Mariya Shidō]

most other nations are scared

Hahaha , of course were scared of invading a powerful nation like Iraq . As a person whose family has a long tradition with military and wars id fail to see where that country is a challenge worthy to be undertaken . If i ever would get an order of attacking a country with such a ridiculous army i would refuse to do so . But if you like playing easy games , go volunteer . If anyone of you has connections , i volunteer here by myself , heard its good $ there and i dont mind some adventure . So if you employ foreigners , im ready , after all i gotta get some cash to build a house .

PS : Russia and Germany both know that just overrunning a country is just 50% of the deal , we all expected things to turn out like this , if you know the pride and temper of arabs/muslims you wouldve known too .

[Princess Minako]

I don't think that we didn't expect whats going on in iraq. I just think that we didn't expect the dissention from within our own state to be as annoying as it is. What we did was for the betterment of the US and the world.

My final statement in the whole matter,
If you are one of those people saying that you're going to move to Canada because Bush got elected my words to you....

pack a sweater its cold this time of year, and if you are willing to forgo your citizenship to this great nation because of that don't bother coming back. I have not found one person who was voting for Bush who said "If Kerry is elected I'm moving to Mexico". It shows just how little you value what our forefathers and grandfathers fought and died to protect and give you. I think its disgusting to even say something like that, to even jest about giving up your citizenship... if you say it you'd better sure as hell back it up.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Mariya Shidō]

Yes it's true that the Atlantic and Pasific Oceas have separated America from the rest of the world for a while. But I know the reason why so many of you Europeans dislike the concervitive side of America. The reason, your media is about 3 times more liberal than ours. In our media we let both sides have their say and then the people make their own judgments. But in your Media when ever someone wants to say something concervitive the are refused. So you guys only get one side of the story! I garantee you that your media was more like America's then would probably get why we are the way we are. You guys keep thinking that Americans are extremly arrogant. HEH the way your media only allows half the story to be told; that is the untiment expression of arrogance right there.

You have to remeber also that America is still a pretty young country compared to most countries of Europe. Spain, France, and England are almost 800 years older than we are. and so Our forefathers learned from YOUR mistakes.
You guys have national religions from the get go, which has lead to many bloody religious wars in your histories (The Cathlic Ierland against prodistant England being an example of one of the most resent ones). We did not set a nation religion, in fact you have the right to practice any religon here, and how many religious wars have we had? NONE!
For many centuries until recently (i think) your countries opressed the press. We did not (although there are regulations), we gave one of the rights of our country is the freedom of the press and free speach.
You guys had slavery or other forms of forced servitude for more than 800 years in your histories. We had slavery for less than 300.
You guys have had many "rasist" wars. And although we have had many rascial clashes we have never had a racial war. Civil War doesn't count because it was before we had racisim like you know it until the 1900's.

We American love the world, and we do everything we can to be frienly to other nations too, no matter how much they hate us, we except the hate because not everyone is going to like us for 1 reason of another. But we also carry a big stick in out walking of peace. If someone attacks us out of the blue without provaication we will defend yourselves with a vengance. We are a peacful nation, be we will fight if we have to you can be sure of that.

We are the most powerful nation in the world right now, but we didn't do it through military conquests or terrorisium (although the wars he have fought in we gained land, Spainish American war of the 1890's for example we gained Guam and the Phillipines) but through enonomic spreading and diplomacy. Name one other country who became a powerful naition with these methods? We do not force other countries to except out presents in their country rather they choose to.

And yes America has been through many wars, but not once were we ever the insagaters. Revolutionary war being the exception, but that was to gaine Independence. War of 1882- British ships were sinking our ships and kidnapping the crews to work for them. Mexican American war (which was actually against Spain because Spain was still in contol of Mexico at the time)- Mexico invaded Texas and we fought back. Spainish American (although later proven wrong)- we though Spain purposly sunck the U.S.S. Maine. WW1- German U-boat sank the Lousitainia (one of the several reason we were provoked) WW2- Japan attacked us without provication. Korean War- N. Korea invaded out ally S. Korea. Veitname war doesn't count cause we never declared war. GUlf War 1- Iraq invaded out ally Kewiat. War on Terrorisum (which includes Iraq)- 9/11 need i say more.

Oh my goodness , what an abomination of utter bullness . If you dont have the information and background to prove your claims better post nothing at all . You are not by chance running for office as minister of propaganda ?

[Alyssa]

WE did ask for help! but many nations flat out refused to help us!
Don't be rediculous! We would never intentalliy put you in harms way like that. However if you were to be attacked by terrorists rest assured America would be behind you 100% in fighting back.Yes, at least a true American would say that, and I thank you for your kind words Anime_Overlord, but it has always been giving me some feeling that a rift is building between our two nations. Who knows when US may go into some trouble with the UN again and this time declare independence of its own actions. However, as a Canadian, I also know there are Americans who will stick up for us, and I hope we will stick up for you people too. But the general public has given us a setback feeling that you guys don't want to help us or want to accept our help, and that's just a dead shame in my books. I know better this isn't true, for the good of both nations. Everyone is just picking on the US as the "target bully" nowadays.

To Princess Minako, yes the right thing to do would have been to attack Iraq. But that's the puzzling part, because even though it would seem fair to everyone's estimation that Iraq is indeed a threat, I believe that their absolute intention is to probably extract more oil and seep them off of Iraq to the US borders just to make lots more money. With the rising prices of gas today, you'd be impressed on how smart a move the US made. However, I think that maybe the US should have waited a little longer about this issue. But because of such frustration, the US attacked anyways, and it does makes a question mark on many people's minds around the world about the things Americans would have stood up for. Alas, you are right though, tensions are in the air, and it is mounting - if you find they did the right job, that's okay with me. Many will and will not agree.

I would have found North Korea as a better threat. I hated that country ever since Day 1. Can anyone please attack North Korea instead? Or are the morales too confusing? Ironic, they were the bigger threat than Iraq... o_O

This isn't the conquest campaign to salvation. This is about the spreading of democracy, everyone knows it survives and struggles at times, but it is the way of building a stable future. Democracy wins - so beat it! **snickers** Unless for some religious reason, you don't agree with such an outcome.

[Anime_Overload]

Hahaha , of course were scared of invading a powerful nation like Iraq . As a person whose family has a long tradition with military and wars id fail to see where that country is a challenge worthy to be undertaken . If i ever would get an order of attacking a country with such a ridiculous army i would refuse to do so . But if you like playing easy games , go volunteer . If anyone of you has connections , i volunteer here by myself , heard its good $ there and i dont mind some adventure . So if you employ foreigners , im ready , after all i gotta get some cash to build a house .

PS : Russia and Germany both know that just overrunning a country is just 50% of the deal , we all expected things to turn out like this , if you know the pride and temper of arabs/muslims you wouldve known too .

I hope you know that i'm part of the Coast Gaurd Reserve! So yes i you could say i do volenter in my courtries military! :-P

[Princess Minako]

If the US really wanted nothing but oil, don't you think we would have drained the fields dry and walked away. Seriously the whole idea that this is about oil is proposterous. We already went against the UN, and we didn't seem to care what they thought, why would we really care about being labeled "bad guys" (oh wait we already are) by draining oil and leaving. Usurp Sadam find him.... hold him on trial ourselvs... drain oil.... leave. No loss of life, but no we're sitting there attempting to set up a system of governement.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Alyssa]

Well that would have been a given. We all should have removed Saddam since the beginning, I wonder why now? Why the movement all of a sudden? Was 9/11 just a wake up call? This was a shame from the get-go. America should have weeded out the threats in the first place. They should have started the effort of democracy by rigorous effort and force if necessary. There was just not enough motivation to do so.

Funny that you gave out power to some of these world leaders in history, only to find them a threat later on to this North American nation...

I would have laid my money that the next country they'd be attacking is somewhere along the North Korean border. They are the next political threats towards terrorism, but then you got China right smack next to them that could send chaos all around the world. Is it just me, or is Americans now fearful of the powers China has <I still don't believe its a democratic country as of yet.>? Is this why North Korea is not under attack yet?

If the US can start attacking poorer countries that are deemed a threat like Iraq, I would be shocked. Then I would have recognized then and there that its no longer a money issue, it's about the salvation and stabilization of mankind.

[Princess Minako]

Iraq was paying people to bomb US embassies, while north korea is an "impending threat" Iraq was a current threat. And we didn't take him out during the first Iraqi war because we followed the UN sanctions and ideals during that time and only pushed them back to their boarder, which is what the UN wanted, and no more. So then we pulled out and went home. So we didn't do what should have been done because we followed what the UN wanted, and it lead to another war, this one.

The Goddess has Spoken

[Alyssa]

A strong solid point in assumption. I wonder if the US should still follow UN rules as stated before... as of currently right now, in the present. Perhaps we need to change the way we look at the world and form a more conservative cabinet?

One thing I know for sure, Americans proved a lot of people wrong by striking first when necessary when it needed to. Many will hate US for doing such a quick action, but I don't call it a crime - so what if many of these countries despise your kind. If you guys hadn't done anything, who knows what might have happened in the world right now. You guys may have done the right thing under my books. Heck, if my world was on a constant hold of pressures and threats, I'd eliminate them too to put them out of my miseries.

Many terrorists are just using this war as an example to why US should be put in hatred more often. I am not sure if this is a good move or a bad move in the US, but to stand out in front of everyone and take the blow like that is really worth something in consideration. You guys are lucky and risky to being the main "scapegoat" of the stage. You deserve my respects.

[Metal_Knuckles]

man this is so weak i dont think that kerry should have backed down. but he was overwhelmed so i guess he did what he could. i think bush sucks!!!:mad: :angry1: :banghead: :censored: :curses: :rant: :soapbox:

[Princess Minako]

Kerry didn't have a chance to win. There was no way, even if he had drawn it out over the next 2 months that he would have won the election. So how did he back down. He acted with class and dignity rather than drag the country through the mud and weeks of legal mazes he knew he was beaten and acted with honor. He knew he had no reason to fight it, just to REALLY prove that he lost?

The Goddess has Spoken

[Frozen Tears]

On the other Hand Maybe Kerry shouldnt have won anyway..he probaly wasnt up to taking charge as president anyways....Still..Bush?..ha

[Chii~San]

OMG how can you even put the two in the same sentence *goes on a rant about the millions of things wrong with Bush* deffinatley Karry he wins in my book by a landslide.

actually to tell you the truth, Bush is a big buisness type of guy who is way into oil fills *cough*alittletomuchithink*cough* and another thing did you notice that Bush made a big jump from Aphganastan to Iraq and there is no connection between the two, sure he uses the excuse that Iraq was a bad government, but let me stress this point how come we dont go to other countries, who by the way have it a hell of a lot worse than Iraq did and help them out? Here is the answer, BECAUSE HE IS AFTER THE ****ING OIL why do you think the members left in the Iraq government are blowing up the oil fills, b/c bush is after them, and another point, the econemy is going way down b/c of all the hurricanes and the war, plus OPEC is raising the oil prices even higher b/c of what America is doing. Yet another point, you know why the hurricane hurt New Orleans so much I'll tell you why, One b/c president bush said no about funding to help prevent that lvl of a hurricane, point number two, research for better energy resources is being denied by none other than the president himself as well as the oil industry, fundings are being cut short, even though farmers as well as major car companies have found atleast four alternatives to oil, here is a short list of them 1. Using the energy in corn, 2. Hydro power, 3. wind power 4. solar power, and last but not least 5. Maryjiwana yes I said maryjwana, the juice inside the plant is a better resource for energy than oil is, and farmers were offering to grow this plant for energy, and yes they were also gonna take out TCP wich is the drug inside the plant, and once they would take that out, it would have no effect on humans no matter how much they tried to smoke it, and you know what he said to that exactly he said NO, now what kind of president would do such a thing, AND YET another point, the Kyoto agreement was signed by every country in the world, but one, wanna take a guess who that was yes it was America, when studies have shown that America uses more oil with than all of Asia combined who by the way has a greater population than America does, and my last point to touch base on is that Karry offered to help fund research for alternative resources, and I am sure when the time came to it, he would have also helped New Orleans protect themselves better. Oh and that brings me to yet another point, when the hurricane was detected guess what Mr. Bush did, he told new orleans about yes he atleast did that, but way too late, and you know he didnt even provide transportation to help get most of the civilians out, and it was told on the knews that some army airforces were sent to New Orleans, well those kind army men decided to help save some people who were stranded on roof tops, and you know what happend to them THEY GOT SENT TO ****ING JAIL FOR HELPING SAVE PEOPLES LIVES, what kind of president does that HUH? one that abviously cares two ****s about the small people and is more focused on Big buisness and rich people, which by the way brings me to another point, he is cutting taxes for the rich, AND raising them for the poor, now who in the hell would do a thing like that exactly Mr. Bush, -__- ok I am kinda getting tired of typing now, but I will stress more points later when my hand feels better xD

NOTE: one more thing, please tell me if I am possibly incorect about this statement, but from what I have heard, the did not count Florida's votes or atleast they messed with them and also did not count african american votes >.> I may be wrong but this assumption is not all that crazy if you look at how hes acting now.

[Ollie]

Why the HELL did you revive this topic?

[飛竜]

I can't choose either of them. Well I'd say undecided. lol :cool:

[FlashD]

Oh, come on guys, the election ended a year ago ... What's the point of continueing this topic? :<_<: :<_<:

[Darrmyth]

lol I'm with flashd on this

[animeseishi]

i dont like bush... ill go for kerry.. bush doesnt care about the environment at all...

[MistressPookyChan]

*looks at the calendar*... I think you're a little behind.

[LadyPSerenity]

Why the hell is this bumped.

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