tell me what happened to all the dubs ?

[pyro tf2]

they all seemed to frizz in there places every thing naroto and fairy tall i found allot but they all have wired voce actors can some one tell my what happened ?

[Zatchara]

I don't know what you mean

http://www.baycat.org/studentwork/fall07/lisher/images/000856-dolce-gabbana-car-tuning-dubs-black-butterfly-doors.jpg

[pyro tf2]

yes that's exactly what i mean -_-

[Anime Forum]

they all seemed to frizz in there places every thing naroto and fairy tall i found allot but they all have wired voce actors can some one tell my what happened ?

Plenty of anime still get dubs.. if that is what you mean.

[stocksatron]

We are still getting quite a few dubs + with the coming of Space Dandy we are even getting simul dubs, however I understand what you are getting at the majority of titles that are released in west aren't getting dubs.

I think this is down to two reasons:

The main reason is down to the sheer number of titles that are being licensed now. Licensors don't have the money to produce a dub for everything they license, and for many series that have smaller fan bases, companies aren't going to make a return large enough on the show in the first place to warrant a dub.

The reason is due to the fact that some members of the anime fan base who are into the more 'out there' series don't tend to watch a production dubbed. If a title like 'Aku no Hana' was to be released in the west for example, creating a dub for it would be deemed as rather pointless as very few members of the viewership would watch the series dubbed.

[Major.Tom]

Same as above. Also not that many anime fans like watching dubs. From all the people I know whom watch anime, they all watch with subs.
If the dubs of late aren't satisfactory, perhaps try watching with subs?

[Light Buster]

Same as above. Also not that many anime fans like watching dubs. From all the people I know whom watch anime, they all watch with subs.
If the dubs of late aren't satisfactory, perhaps try watching with subs?

The only downside in watching subs that the english grammar can be either off in extreme ways along with spelling and there are translators who translate them wrong. Just a hint of warning. But if you really want to watch an anime, you're going have to resort to subs.

[stocksatron]

The only downside in watching subs that the english grammar can be either off in extreme ways along with spelling and there are translators who translate them wrong.
Whilst I know this isn't the proper thread to be discussing grammatical errors of subs...I think generally if you shop around you can find good translations with good grammar. I've only had a few issues with a licensor's or Crunchyroll's subs in the past and I think you can even find well written fan subs now a days too.

However I do understand that when you are watching something that has been fan subbed and came out recently the subs can be filled with errors.

[Kumagawa]

producers realized no sane person would want to listen to a dub

[stocksatron]

producers realized no sane person would want to listen to a dub
I'm not so sure, its rather difficult to pull in casual consumers and new comers when it comes to selling a show without a dub. I've had many conversations with new fans at cons or friends who are just starting to get into anime about why I predominantly watch things subbed and they just don't get it. Also many dubs are can actually make for a good watch - Black Lagoon and Haruhi Suzimya both haveexcellent dubs for example. Also if no one watched dubs why are voice actors like Laura Bailey, Jonny Yong, Yuri Lowenthal etc so popular?

[Major.Tom]

I'm not so sure, its rather difficult to pull in casual consumers and new comers when it comes to selling a show without a dub. I've had many conversations with new fans at cons or friends who are just starting to get into anime about why I predominantly watch things subbed and they just don't get it. Also many dubs are can actually make for a good watch - Black Lagoon and Haruhi Suzimya both haveexcellent dubs for example. Also if no one watched dubs why are voice actors like Laura Bailey, Jonny Yong, Yuri Lowenthal etc so popular?
Must agree Black lagoon has excellent dub, all time classic DBZ has excellent dub to. I recently saw the last movie in sub and the voice of Goku kind off bothered me. But other than those two I have always prefered sub. Probably because it's the language of the creators and suits the emotions better.

[GameGeeks]

@Wakarimashita (http://www.animeforum.com/member.php?u=315694) How are emotions any different in Japan then here? They have the exact same emotion range that we have. You might have a preference but do try to come up with something a bit less laughable. Sorry, not trying to be mean but that really needs a bit more thought put into it.

@Thread Language doesn't matter since the lip movement isn't matched to any language since doing so would be incredibly difficult and not at all worth the effort. I don't get the people who hate on dubs just because it's not the original language. Subs can have bad voice acting. I've said this before, if you don't know the language then you shouldn't be saying it's just straight up better. You can say you prefer it but that's as far as it should go.

[Anime Forum]

I'm not so sure, its rather difficult to pull in casual consumers and new comers when it comes to selling a show without a dub. I've had many conversations with new fans at cons or friends who are just starting to get into anime about why I predominantly watch things subbed and they just don't get it. Also many dubs are can actually make for a good watch - Black Lagoon and Haruhi Suzimya both haveexcellent dubs for example. Also if no one watched dubs why are voice actors like Laura Bailey, Jonny Yong, Yuri Lowenthal etc so popular?

I totally agree. I adore subs and IMO dubs are a complete waste of my time, but newer anime fans or casuals just will not.

Haruhi dub was pretty good.

[GameGeeks]

I totally agree. I adore subs and IMO dubs are a complete of my time, but newer anime fans or casuals just will not.

Haruhi dub was pretty good.
Think you dropped something in that sentence.

[Anime Forum]

@Wakarimashita (http://www.animeforum.com/member.php?u=315694) How are emotions any different in Japan then here? They have the exact same emotion range that we have. You might have a preference but do try to come up with something a bit less laughable. Sorry, not trying to be mean but that really needs a bit more thought put into it.

@Thread Language doesn't matter since the lip movement isn't matched to any language since doing so would be incredibly difficult and not at all worth the effort. I don't get the people who hate on dubs just because it's not the original language. Subs can have bad voice acting. I've said this before, if you don't know the language then you shouldn't be saying it's just straight up better. You can say you prefer it but that's as far as it should go.

Subs for the most part are straight up better though. There are way more bad dubs than bad subs and that is easily a fact. Debating that is just laughable. I'm down with people liking dubs, but disagreeing with subs being overall better is completely biased and jaw dropping.

If you can name 100 anime with a superior dub I'll debate further. If you cannot then is there a point to debate? I mean no offense of course, but that post made me wonder a bit.

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Think you dropped something in that sentence.

Thanks!

[stocksatron]

Probably because it's the language of the creators and suits the emotions better.

A dubbed or subbed translation both ultimately contain an interpretation of what you are hearing on screen rather than a straight translation, therefore a subbed translation would still differ slightly from what the creators were exactly trying to say.

[Major.Tom]

@Wakarimashita (http://www.animeforum.com/member.php?u=315694) How are emotions any different in Japan then here? They have the exact same emotion range that we have. You might have a preference but do try to come up with something a bit less laughable. Sorry, not trying to be mean but that really needs a bit more thought put into it.

@Thread Language doesn't matter since the lip movement isn't matched to any language since doing so would be incredibly difficult and not at all worth the effort. I don't get the people who hate on dubs just because it's not the original language. Subs can have bad voice acting. I've said this before, if you don't know the language then you shouldn't be saying it's just straight up better. You can say you prefer it but that's as far as it should go.

I didn't say the emotions are any different. I meant to say that from my point of view according to how I watch/enjoy anime. The lip movements wich correspond to the japanese words match better. Ofcourse there can be bad jap voicing to, but in general they should be in sync the most. I don't hate on dubs either, all I'm saying is that I prefer subs.

[~OTAKYU~]

producers realized no sane person would want to listen to a dub

I know how you feel bro T_T SUB RULES!

[GameGeeks]

I didn't say the emotions are any different. I meant to say that from my point of view according to how I watch/enjoy anime. The lip movements wich correspond to the japanese words match better. Ofcourse there can be bad jap voicing to, but in general they should be in sync the most. I don't hate on dubs either, all I'm saying is that I prefer subs.
No, you just can't tell if they're in sync or not since you don't know the language. All the lip movement does is go up or down. Not that hard to sync any language up to that.

[stocksatron]

All the lip movement does is go up or down. Not that hard to sync any language up to that.
It depends how realistic an animation director wants to be though, some really like to have accurate lip movements. And its more about timing, as in how long a character's line is and how long they move their lips with. Also I think even if you don't know any Japanese the show you're watching can be rather jarring if the audio doesn't match the lip movements.

[GameGeeks]

It depends how realistic an animation director wants to be though, some really like to have accurate lip movements. And its more about timing, as in how long a character's line is and how long they move their lips with. Also I think even if you don't know any Japanese the show you're watching can be rather jarring if the audio doesn't match the lip movements.
99% of anime just does the up and down thing. So still not a valid argument. And yes it can but it's not hard to lengthen a sentence or such to fit the lip movement.

[stocksatron]

And yes it can but it's not hard to lengthen a sentence or such to fit the lip movement. Perfect lip synchronisation only became standard as of beginning of the decade though, there are loads of shows from the 80s and 90s which are dubbed in Japanese where the audio is out of time with the video

[GameGeeks]

Perfect lip synchronisation only became standard as of beginning of the decade though, there are loads of shows from the 80s and 90s which are dubbed in Japanese where the audio is out of time with the video
There are also plenty from that time that don't have this issue, DB/Z, Slayers, Orphan, Shadow Skill TV, etc. You can have bad dubs, sure. Not everything might match 100% but you can't say things match 100% with subs if you don't know the language. You don't know how the lip movement for the Japanese language is and how it should match up. You do with English so you notice it more. Besides, some of the bad ones seem like it's an editing error. If you push them back a second or so they'd match much better.

[stocksatron]

You can have bad dubs, sure. Not everything might match 100% but you can't say things match 100% with subs if you don't know the language. You don't know how the lip movement for the Japanese language is and how it should match up.
Sorry if I mislead you by earlier post, I meant that there are often periods of a few seconds where a character's lips are moving but no audio is playing. I see this quite often with the screener copies I get sent of shows from the 90's and 80's

[GameGeeks]

Sorry if I mislead you by earlier post, I meant that there are often periods of a few seconds where a character's lips are moving but no audio is playing. I see this quite often with the screener copies I get sent of shows from the 90's and 80's
They could have simply been saved wrong causing the issue I stated. Push the audio back ever so slightly and you might not get that.

[stocksatron]

They could have simply been saved wrong causing the issue I stated. Push the audio back ever so slightly and you might not get that.
I'm not sure that Madman and MVM would of had faulty masters, I'll contact them and see what they say.

[JustThatOneGuy]

Yeah.. So I might be in the minority, but I can't stand sub. I hate having to read the entire time, and having to look down. I want to see the actual show. You can't tell what they are saying. So it's just a constant garble of noise haha. I will choose dub over sub any day. Now I'm not saying that people who like sub are wrong. I'm just saying it's what I like.

[stocksatron]

Yeah.. So I might be in the minority, but I can't stand sub. I hate having to read the entire time, and having to look down. I want to see the actual show. You can't tell what they are saying. So it's just a constant garble of noise haha. I will choose dub over sub any day. Now I'm not saying that people who like sub are wrong. I'm just saying it's what I like.
Thanks for bringing us back to the point of the thread there

[Anime Forum]

Yeah.. So I might be in the minority, but I can't stand sub. I hate having to read the entire time, and having to look down. I want to see the actual show. You can't tell what they are saying. So it's just a constant garble of noise haha. I will choose dub over sub any day. Now I'm not saying that people who like sub are wrong. I'm just saying it's what I like.

I'm amazed so many people can't read the subs while watching the anime at the same time.

No offense or anything as dubs vs subs come down to preference (subs have better voice acting though), but that excuse makes me wonder if the dub fanbase is made up of slow readers. Doing both at the same time is really easy..

[GameGeeks]

I'm amazed so many people can't read the subs while watching the anime at the same time.

No offense or anything as dubs vs subs come down to preference (subs have better voice acting though), but that excuse makes me wonder if the dub fanbase is made up of slow readers. Doing both at the same time is really easy..
No they don't. You can't tell the quality of the voice acting since you don't know the language. Meaning you can't tell the acting is bad or not (baring if it's quite obvious such as monotone that's not a character trait). You can just tell when it comes to English since you know the language.

[Anime Forum]

No they don't. You can't tell the quality of the voice acting since you don't know the language. Meaning you can't tell the acting is bad or not (baring if it's quite obvious such as monotone that's not a character trait). You can just tell when it comes to English since you know the language.

I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese. I may not understand japanese fully(getting a slight better at it though), but you better stop thinking that way because it ruins your argument before it even started. I know all sorts of anime fans who understand Japanese and sticks by subs being better and think MOST dubs are near horrible. Dubs like Cowboy Bebop and Haruhi are really good, unlike most.

Also, just because someone doesn't understand japanese does not mean they are dumb enough to not realize what sounds good to the ears. If you can't then I am sorry, but not everyone is like you or other people who cannot.

Dubs sound really bad for the most part as a good chunk of dubs seem to ignore the character themself and dish out dubs for the fans. Homura from Madoka Magica in dub sounds completely different than what her character should sound like and it makes her become a less interesting character. Though, I'm sure you'll disagree.

[GameGeeks]

I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese. I may not understand japanese fully(getting a slight better at it though), but you better stop thinking that way because it ruins your argument before it even started. I know all sorts of anime fans who understand Japanese and sticks by subs being better and think MOST dubs are near horrible. Dubs like Cowboy Bebop and Haruhi are really good, unlike most.

Also, just because someone doesn't understand japanese does not mean they are dumb enough to not realize what sounds good to the ears. If you can't then I am sorry, but not everyone is like you or other people who cannot.

Dubs sound really bad for the most part as a good chunk of dubs seem to ignore the character themself and dish out dubs for the fans. Homura from Madoka Magica in dub sounds completely different than what her character should sound like and it makes her become a less interesting character. Though, I'm sure you'll disagree.
Where's the confusion? You quite clearly stated, "Subs have better voice acting though" right in your post. There's no jumping to conclusions. It's there plain as day. Sounds better I have no problem with. That falls under preference. What I have a problem with is your statement that subs have better voice acting. And I'll counter your Homura comment with Kenshin. In the sub he sounds like a girl, but in the dub he has a much better voice. It works both ways. Now take Slayers, both the sub and dub voices suit Lina. My main point in all this just because it's subbed doesn't mean it's instantly better. To be honest, I've watched more subs then dub since most of the anime I've watched never got a dub. I don't have a preference for one over the other. I've had anime where I've preferred the sub over the dub. I've also had anime where I prefer the dub over the sub. My main issue is people seeming to say things as fact when it all comes down to opinion.

[Anime Forum]

Where's the confusion? You quite clearly stated, "Subs have better voice acting though" right in your post. There's no jumping to conclusions. It's there plain as day. Sounds better I have no problem with. That falls under preference. What I have a problem with is your statement that subs have better voice acting. And I'll counter your Homura comment with Kenshin. In the sub he sounds like a girl, but in the dub he has a much better voice. It works both ways. Now take Slayers, both the sub and dub voices suit Lina. My main point in all this just because it's subbed doesn't mean it's instantly better. To be honest, I've watched more subs then dub since most of the anime I've watched never got a dub. I don't have a preference for one over the other. I've had anime where I've preferred the sub over the dub. I've also had anime where I prefer the dub over the sub. My main issue is people seeming to say things as fact when it all comes down to opinion.

What are you talking about? Its almost like you read my post and decided to change what I meant. You ARE jumping to conclusions thinking people who say subs are better than dubs don't know or understand the language. You've done it twice already. Not even sure why you decided to change my reasoning for saying you jumped to conclusions. This ALMOST made me stop reading your entire reply, but I do consider you a friend and debating is what forums are for. So I continued.

I never watched Kenshi in sub so I can't debate that, but my friend would gasp from that. Though, not really sure TBH.

Opinion? Erm. An opinion is liking dubs if you don't like subs. Though not liking subs and saying subs have worse voice acting than dubs is very different. Some dubs are pretty decent, but most dubs just don't do the anime justice.

I'm not sure how many anime you've compared dub vs sub, but if its under 100 then why are you acting like you know it all? Unlike you though I will avoid jumping to conclusions. How many have you compared without being biased?

[GameGeeks]

(subs have better voice acting though)
That isn't miss reading anything. Your after isn't referencing that but about people preferring dubs over subs. I can break the sentence down further if you want. You state something you have no way of proving. As for how many I've compared, that doesn't really matter. Lets make a comparison. Magicka, has it's own fake language. You can't understand it but it's fun to listen to. Same with Japanese (unless you do know the language). You don't understand the nuances of the language. Nor how it's used in casual conversation. There's lots of aspects that aren't understood. Something that might sound fine to you might be considered poor by someone who knows the language.

[Anime Forum]

That isn't miss reading anything. Your after isn't referencing that but about people preferring dubs over subs. I can break the sentence down further if you want. You state something you have no way of proving. As for how many I've compared, that doesn't really matter. Lets make a comparison. Magicka, has it's own fake language. You can't understand it but it's fun to listen to. Same with Japanese (unless you do know the language). You don't understand the nuances of the language. Nor how it's used in casual conversation. There's lots of aspects that aren't understood. Something that might sound fine to you might be considered poor by someone who knows the language.

I never said you said that you jumped to conclusions on that sentence though. Putting words in my mouth and changing my reasoning is extremely silly. EXTREMELY. If you continue to change my reasoning on why I said you jumped to conclusions then how am I supposed to take you seriously? I'll move on from that though because you seem out of it and for some reason you think I'm questioning that I wrote subs are better than dubs o_O ....... Cause I did and still stand by that post.

Lol, IT DOES MATTER. How can you form an opinion without knowing the difference between the dubs and subs for anime? What evidence do you have? How can any person say it depends on the taste of the person, but not listen to both versions? That is like saying the US Power Rangers is better than the original WITHOUT seeing the original. It goes against logic and it really makes zero sense. How biased.

Do you get it now? Are you going to change my reasoning on why I said you were jumping to conclusions? Will you please research before debating? Man. If you joined 360a with that argument you'd get destroyed.

[GameGeeks]

I never said you said that you jumped to conclusions on that sentence though. Putting words in my mouth and changing my reasoning is extremely silly. EXTREMELY. If you continue to change my reasoning on why I said you jumped to conclusions then how am I supposed to take you seriously? I'll move on from that though because you seem out of it and for some reason you think I'm questioning that I wrote subs are better than dubs o_O ....... Cause I did and still stand by that post.

Lol, IT DOES MATTER. How can you form an opinion without knowing the difference between the dubs and subs for anime? What evidence do you have? How can any person say it depends on the taste of the person, but not listen to both versions? That is like saying the US Power Rangers is better than the original WITHOUT seeing the original. It goes against logic and it really makes zero sense. How biased.

Do you get it now? Are you going to change my reasoning on why I said you were jumping to conclusions? Will you please research before debating? Man. If you joined 360a with that argument you'd get destroyed.
Hard not to come to the conclusion I did when you never said what you thought I was jumping to conclusions about and I haven't put any words in your mouth. To be able to say that I would have to have said you said something you didn't. And it doesn't matter. The same could be said of subs when asking for proof. What proof do you have that subs are better? I never said one was better then the other. Just that one can prefer one over the other. And I gave examples on each end and in the middle. And Power Rangers are a bad example. They use certain scenes from the original but add a lot of their own and have a completely different story. A better example would be say the remake of the Nutty Professor vs the original. And I think the confusion comes from the first sentence of your previous post. I did not at any time say those who preferred subs didn't know the language. I even stated unless you no Japanese. Which can imply I'm talking about the majority that watch subs and say that and don't know the language. Outside Japan the percentage of anime fans that watch subs that know the language is much lower then the ones that don't. And chances are those that do know the language probably watch raw since they know it and don't need the distracting subtitles.

[Anime Forum]

]I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese.[/B]

-_-

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Hard not to come to the conclusion I did when you never said what you thought I was jumping to conclusions about and I haven't put any words in your mouth. To be able to say that I would have to have said you said something you didn't. And it doesn't matter. The same could be said of subs when asking for proof. What proof do you have that subs are better? I never said one was better then the other. Just that one can prefer one over the other. And I gave examples on each end and in the middle. And Power Rangers are a bad example. They use certain scenes from the original but add a lot of their own and have a completely different story. A better example would be say the remake of the Nutty Professor vs the original. And I think the confusion comes from the first sentence of your previous post. I did not at any time say those who preferred subs didn't know the language. I even stated unless you no Japanese. Which can imply I'm talking about the majority that watch subs and say that and don't know the language. Outside Japan the percentage of anime fans that watch subs that know the language is much lower then the ones that don't. And chances are those that do know the language probably watch raw since they know it and don't need the distracting subtitles.

I'm done. This post is full of nonsense and shows you aren't paying attention. I can't debate like this.

[GameGeeks]

-_-

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I'm done. This post is full of nonsense and shows you aren't paying attention. I can't debate like this.
Not really, everything in it is valid. For example, you asked for proof about about subs vs dubs. After I stated it's all opinion based. And I shot your Power Ranger example down and stated why and provided you a better one. This post just comes off as you not being able to handle someone who wont back down. And I don't think the confusion started on my end. I only ever had issue with you stating subs are better as a fact. That's the only thing I ever had issue with in the initial post.

[Anime Forum]

Not really, everything in it is valid. For example, you asked for proof about about subs vs dubs. After I stated it's all opinion based. And I shot your Power Ranger example down and stated why and provided you a better one. This post just comes off as you not being able to handle someone who wont back down. And I don't think the confusion started on my end. I only ever had issue with you stating subs are better as a fact. That's the only thing I ever had issue with in the initial post.

The confusion didn't start on your end? Way to avoid the proof I offered of your argument being flawed and you attempting to change my reasoning on my post. That in most cases would be the defeat in a debate as taking you seriously would become pretty difficult. You realize that much right?

What proof do I have that subs are better you ask? Other then me listening to both versions and listen to how most dubs love to destroy the image of the character with horrible voice acting and voices that change the intensity of a character. Plus, dubs make no sense most of the time. A great example of this would be the K-On movie dub. There is a part when Mio is talking english (hence the dub) and a person replies to her in english and Mio is confused due to not understanding him. This stems back to the fact that so many anime get poorly executed dubs that make no sense with the story. Have you watched AKB0048 in dub? So much of that makes little sense and most of the voices sounded off. I have ears y'know.

Don't even get me started on the Another dub. Where is the energy in this horror based anime? At least the sub voice overs gave that actual sense they were in fear. Dubs do that so much. NO ENERGY with the roles they get. Some dubs are fine, but for every dub that is fine.. FIVE dubs are not.

Another example. 4kids dub. Holy cow what is this? One Piece has a fantastic sub, why ruin it with that dub? It goes beyond saying that 4kids is TERRIBLE and makes dub overall look worse. I could go on, but those are a few examples of how bad dubs truly are. I do still watch dub (just to compare), but most are just not good and/or confusing. Almost so confusing that at times you have to watch the subs first just to understand what is going on.

I'm down with people liking dubs, but subs are still better and I will not back down on that.

[GameGeeks]

Yoko Littner
I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese.

That is why I said that. I never said that. Point to where I said that. I quite clearly said unless they knew the language. Most don't. I also said I doubt those who knew the language watched subs and stuck to raw.

What proof do I have that subs are better you ask? Other then me listening to both versions and listen to how most dubs love to destroy the image of the character with horrible voice acting and voices that change the intensity of a character. Plus, dubs make no sense most of the time.

That's not proof, that still falls under opinion. Opinion =/= fact. It's just your opinion. As for AKB0048, I haven't seen it period so I can't comment on it. Same goes for K-On. As for 4-Kids, yeah already know they're bad. I wouldn't even use them in a discussion for or against something since they're nothing good about them. And another point, how do you know the sub is an accurate translation. For all you know the text doesn't have any correlation to the voices. No need to debate that since my point is there's so many factors to a language that not knowing it means you can never be certain which is key to my whole debate. With dubs you can be since you know the language.

[Anime Forum]

My comment was towards the other guy and me and how you thought instantly we didn't know Japanese. I know plenty of people who know the language and watch it with subtitles still on. I'm on a xbox party actually once a week that does just that. Ask them why they do it.

Now let me quote your post. Just in case you reply before I finish <-

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@Yoko Littner (http://www.animeforum.com/member.php?u=70947)
I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese.

That is why I said that. I never said that. Point to where I said that. I quite clearly said unless they knew the language. Most don't. I also said I doubt those who knew the language watched subs and stuck to raw.

What proof do I have that subs are better you ask? Other then me listening to both versions and listen to how most dubs love to destroy the image of the character with horrible voice acting and voices that change the intensity of a character. Plus, dubs make no sense most of the time.

That's not proof, that still falls under opinion. Opinion =/= fact. It's just your opinion. As for AKB0048, I haven't seen it period so I can't comment on it. Same goes for K-On. As for 4-Kids, yeah already know they're bad. I wouldn't even use them in a discussion for or against something since they're nothing good about them. And another point, how do you know the sub is an accurate translation. For all you know the text doesn't have any correlation to the voices. No need to debate that since my point is there's so many factors to a language that not knowing it means you can never be certain which is key to my whole debate. With dubs you can be since you know the language.

How is it my opinion? It isn't like dubs are the first language the anime characters speak in. The voices in Japanese is how they are supposed to be heard as. Of course if you make a character sound lighter / deeper then obviously it destroys the image of the said character. Picture Sponge Bob in another country with a full on deep voice. That voice would make no sense with how the character is supposed to be shown. When a character like Homura (Madoka Magica) who is supposed to sound tough and almost scary, gets a really light sounding dub.. you cannot take that seriously. It completely changes the character and who they are and voices are a huge role in building a character. That is not an opinion, but a clear fact.

Did you really group "dubs make no sense" as an opinion? How is the K-On movie example an opinion? Do you need more examples?

Not all subs are fully accurate, but for the most part they are.

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no they don't. You can't tell the quality of the voice acting since you don't know the language. Meaning you can't tell the acting is bad or not (baring if it's quite obvious such as monotone that's not a character trait). You can just tell when it comes to english since you know the language.

proof btw.

[GameGeeks]

My comment was towards the other guy and me and how you thought instantly we didn't know Japanese. I know plenty of people who know the language and watch it with subtitles still on. I'm on a xbox party actually once a week that does just that. Ask them why they do it.

Now let me quote your post. Just in case you reply before I finish <-

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How is it my opinion? It isn't like dubs are the first language the anime characters speak in. The voices in Japanese is how they are supposed to be heard as. Of course if you make a character sound lighter / deeper then obviously it destroys the image of the said character. Picture Sponge Bob in another country with a full on deep voice. That voice would make no sense with how the character is supposed to be shown. When a character like Homura (Madoka Magica) who is supposed to sound tough and almost scary, gets a really light sounding dub.. you cannot take that seriously. It completely changes the character and who they are and voices are a huge role in building a character. That is not an opinion, but a clear fact.

Did you really group "dubs make no sense" as an opinion? How is the K-On movie example an opinion? Do you need more examples?

Not all subs are fully accurate, but for the most part they are.

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proof btw.
It's your opinion since you don't know the language and thus can't tell if the voice acting is good or bad. You can guess but guessing doesn't lead to fact. It's folly to think that just be cause it's the native language that it's better. It's not. It's not about more examples. It's about you not being able to make a fully educated guess when it comes to the language. Facts can only be had when there's concrete proof. That's not possible when it comes to media. Media is ALL opinion based. That Shakespeare play, guy one loved it so it must be fact that it's good while guys two, five and six hated it and must instantly be wrong. That's basically how you're coming off. As for the voice example with Spongebob, then what about Goku? He sounds like a girl. Does that mean it fits his character? No, most will say the English one does. Or Kenshin who definitely sound much more effeminate in the sub. But even these are just my opinion. Like I said, my main issue is you claiming your opinions as fact when they're just your opinion. And how is that last bit proof? I've been saying that same thing this entire time. It's proof I said it but it's still your opinion on whether you think it's right or wrong.

[AllHopeInEclipse]

Yeah.. So I might be in the minority, but I can't stand sub. I hate having to read the entire time, and having to look down. I want to see the actual show. You can't tell what they are saying. So it's just a constant garble of noise haha. I will choose dub over sub any day. Now I'm not saying that people who like sub are wrong. I'm just saying it's what I like.

I'm with you bro. I will watch a sub if I have to, but I prefer dubs. I enjoy just understanding what is being said. As for the slow read bit, I am a slow reader, which does have an effect on my preference. Also, saying subs have better voice acting is subjective.

[Anime Forum]

It's your opinion since you don't know the language and thus can't tell if the voice acting is good or bad. You can guess but guessing doesn't lead to fact. It's folly to think that just be cause it's the native language that it's better. It's not. It's not about more examples. It's about you not being able to make a fully educated guess when it comes to the language. Facts can only be had when there's concrete proof. That's not possible when it comes to media. Media is ALL opinion based. That Shakespeare play, guy one loved it so it must be fact that it's good while guys two, five and six hated it and must instantly be wrong. That's basically how you're coming off. As for the voice example with Spongebob, then what about Goku? He sounds like a girl. Does that mean it fits his character? No, most will say the English one does. Or Kenshin who definitely sound much more effeminate in the sub. But even these are just my opinion. Like I said, my main issue is you claiming your opinions as fact when they're just your opinion. And how is that last bit proof? I've been saying that same thing this entire time. It's proof I said it but it's still your opinion on whether you think it's right or wrong.

Sigh. How about this? We could go on like this for four pages (because honestly its been the same thing for the entire page). I do think I'm right, but I am in no position to change your opinion. Same goes for you. How about we agree to disagree? It doesn't seem like any of us will budge and I've been in this debate so many times that it got sorta old.

I'm not giving up nor does this mean you are. I just see this going on for four more pages and that isn't fair to the OP.

So how about it?

[GameGeeks]

Sigh. How about this? We could go on like this for four pages (because honestly its been the same thing for the entire page). I do think I'm right, but I am in no position to change your opinion. Same goes for you. How about we agree to disagree? It doesn't seem like any of us will budge and I've been in this debate so many times that it got sorta old.

I'm not giving up nor does this mean you are. I just see this going on for four more pages and that isn't fair to the OP.

So how about it?That's my whole point, nothing in these discussions should ever be stated as fact. Atoms are a fact, acting performance is an opinion. It's that which irks me. I can't stand it when people go around stating opinions as facts. Because they're not, they're just opinions. Pretty much what I was trying to say the whole time.

[Ohyeah]

they all seemed to frizz in there places every thing naroto and fairy tall i found allot but they all have wired voce actors can some one tell my what happened ?
When they try to emulate too much too the japanese instead of finding fitting voices for the characters into english, then it will sound strange into English dub. Either it will be cheesy or just not work out, like high pitched voices. Unless you are a kid and they don't really have that high pitched compared to Japanese. Just saying ;)

Btw, Fairy Tail seems like a Stupid Tale, never seen it. But if i want to see clowns fighting, then i'd just search a youtube clip of two guys dressed up as one while fighting lol.

[Stylemaster]

many of the english dubs suck because things get lost in the translation.

i make my own dubs and after doing a half a season's worth i can say that it comes down to the writers. instead of trying to directly translate the script, writers should try to create a new script that can be understood by the audience. some japanese culture does not translate well and vice versa. english, especially american english, dubs should be american, culturally speaking.

the dubs i make are aimed at the hiphop community and african american community. so i use terms and cultural references that make sense to that demographic. they dont usually fit the original plot lol but thats okay i guess hahahaha.

if you wanna check them out then go HERE (http://bingenow.com/channel?chanid=752)

[JustThatOneGuy]

I'm amazed so many people can't read the subs while watching the anime at the same time.

No offense or anything as dubs vs subs come down to preference (subs have better voice acting though), but that excuse makes me wonder if the dub fanbase is made up of slow readers. Doing both at the same time is really easy..

I never said I couldn't read and watch at the same time. I said I don't like to, or rather that I, "hate" to haha. I just don't want to read anything. I want to spend 100% of my time enjoying the show. I don't want to have to look down to try and figure out what that person is talking about. If I wanted to read I would have bought the manga. Also, no matter how fast you are at reading. You are still going to miss something when you look down to read the text. Even if it's just a second.

Also, I think the voice acting is just a matter of opinion. You are never going to turn someone from one side to another. I enjoy dub voice acting more then sub. I'm sure others do too. Others enjoy sub more than dub. No one is more right than the other.

[stocksatron]

many of the english dubs suck because things get lost in the translation.

i make my own dubs and after doing a half a season's worth i can say that it comes down to the writers. instead of trying to directly translate the script, writers should try to create a new script that can be understood by the audience. some japanese culture does not translate well and vice versa. english, especially american english, dubs should be american, culturally speaking.

the dubs i make are aimed at the hiphop community and african american community. so i use terms and cultural references that make sense to that demographic. they dont usually fit the original plot lol but thats okay i guess hahahaha.

if you wanna check them out then go HERE (http://bingenow.com/channel?chanid=752)

I was about to start having a go at you about how you can't directly translate Japanese and then I started watching your videos...they are rather funny and in many ways support the counter argument for dubbs..

[Stylemaster]

I was about to start having a go at you about how you can't directly translate Japanese and then I started watching your videos...they are rather funny and in many ways support the counter argument for dubbs..

thanks! glad you liked em. at the end of the day its about telling a story. and the dialog should effectively help tell the story. too often, the dubs focus on translation of script and not enough on entertaining the audience

[Anime Forum]

That's my whole point, nothing in these discussions should ever be stated as fact. Atoms are a fact, acting performance is an opinion. It's that which irks me. I can't stand it when people go around stating opinions as facts. Because they're not, they're just opinions. Pretty much what I was trying to say the whole time.

Like I said. We can agree to disagree. I still think I'm right, but you deserve your views as well.

[pyro tf2]

SO MANY PEOPLE ! ok i do get some dubs just not that much