I need proof Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon.

[Zombie Ixi]

By definition it IS. Maybe America doesn't agree with Kuro being both an anime AND a cartoon but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's not a debate its a fact. If something is drawn, colored and animated, it can be classed as a cartoon, no matter what it looks like or where it came from. Period. I wouldn't think I need proof of this but Im getting really pissed at the people who wanna ignore the facts and say that it is not.

[GameGeeks]

By definition it IS. Maybe America doesn't agree with Kuro being both an anime AND a cartoon but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's not a debate its a fact. If something is drawn, colored and animated, it can be classed as a cartoon, no matter what it looks like or where it came from. Period. I wouldn't think I need proof of this but Im getting really pissed at the people who wanna ignore the facts and say that it is not.
Wait, if you don't have proof how can you go claiming it's fact? That makes zero sense. Even then it's still your opinion. It'll never be fact. Others are also allowed to have their own opinions and say it's whatever they want.

[Ωmega]

.......the point of this thread.....I cant find it

[Zombie Ixi]

Wait, if you don't have proof how can you go claiming it's fact? That makes zero sense. Even then it's still your opinion. It'll never be fact. Others are also allowed to have their own opinions and say it's whatever they want.

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

[星らぶ]

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

actually by definition alone
cartoon is not animated
animation though IS animated drawn and coloured pictures therefore the umbrella term here is animation and not cartoon
further more anime is short for animation but also has become a word recognized by English language to refer ONLY to the Japanese style of animation

here the definitions from Oxford Dictionary of English
Animation (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/animation)
Cartoon (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cartoon)
Anime (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anime)

[Albear]

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.

Then by that logic, you don't need the proof you are asking for. I too, believe that if someone calls an anime series a cartoon, he or she is somewhat right.
Cartoons, like you said, can be animated to move across the screen. That is pretty much all anime as most are adaptations of manga.. Which are basically Japanese cartoons. Shunning people for ”degrading” anime by calling it cartoons is an elitist mentality.

[Ωmega]

Geeze, calm down Clayton Jr.

[GameGeeks]

Not a fact? REALLY? Then I suppose the fact that Kuro is DRAWN, COLORED, and ANIMATED doesnt make one who says different sound like an idiot? All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. Thisbe a fact and not up for debate.
http://images.wikia.com/theslenderman/images/8/88/Derp-cat-meme.jpg

[Zombie Ixi]

http://images.wikia.com/theslenderman/images/8/88/Derp-cat-meme.jpg

Are you implying you already KNEW Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon and I just wasted my breath and font? Anyway I'm sealing my own web domain called fsciencefastianbargainsarereal.web.com Not kidding with that one. I want my own real contract seal.

[GameGeeks]

Are you implying you already KNEW Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon and I just wasted my breath and font? Anyway I'm sealing my own web domain called fsciencefastianbargainsarereal.web.com Not kidding with that one. I want my own real contract seal.
http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/pictures/herpaderp_616.jpg

[Ωmega]

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4251/xj00.jpg

[Zombie Ixi]

I can't believe I wasted good font on something every Kuro fan ( except for weebs) knows. * face hoof*

[GameGeeks]

I can't believe I wasted good font on something every Kuro fan ( except for weebs) knows. * face hoof*
http://www.lolbrary.com/content/239/derp-20239.jpg

[Anime Forum]

Why are you spazzing out o_o ........? Calm down and go watch some anime.

[Zainox]

It's exactly as 星らぶ said.
Cartoon is usually the term for western animation.
Anime is used for Japanese animation.
They were just terms used for different types and regions of animation. Yes, they are all animation. But the categories given
(cartoon/anime) separates them.
So, if someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong. An animation? Yes.
If someone says Avatar the last Airbender is an anime, they are wrong. Even though it was animated in Korea, it's still technically a cartoon.

Weather you wish to except these facts are up too you.

On a different note, welcome to the forum! :D
*throws welcoming confetti*

Did some Googling. Apparently the term cartoon and anime both stand for all terms of animation in their own regions. So technically you could use them both for all animation. But through time, they have been defined by people.

~Source~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon

[Zombie Ixi]

It's exactly as 星らぶ said.
Cartoon is usually the term for western animation.
Anime is used for Japanese animation.
They were just terms used for different types and regions of animation. Yes, they are all animation. But the categories given
(cartoon/anime) separates them.
So, if someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong. An animation? Yes.
If someone says Avatar the last Airbender is an anime, they are wrong. Even though it was animated in Korea, it's still technically a cartoon.

Weather you wish to except these facts are up too you.



On a different note, welcome to the forum! :D
*throws welcoming confetti*

Did some Googling. Apparently the term cartoon and anime both stand for all terms of

animation in their own regions. So technically you could use them both for all animation. But through time, they have been defined by people.

~Source~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon

That is so ridiculous. I will now mock it to show you how flimsy that is. ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon. The saying that the term " Cartoon " can only mean Western animation is more otaku scare tactics and the fact taht you really said that BS means you are just parroting the drivel.

I also see your source is Wikipedia. You need a new link. Here try this one.


http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=596803

Also, it says many times that " All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime" this is not debateable, it is a proven fact. Also, the fact that Kuroshitsuji ( and all anime really) is drawn, colored and animated makes anybody that says different sound like an idiot.

Also note that one smart poster said " Although anime and WESTERN animation is different, it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons. Fact.

All your ridiculous arguments are flawed. I really didnt think I would have to add that part about how Kuroshitsuji DOES count as an animated cartoon but for people like you I see I should have!

[wolfgirl90]

All your ridiculous arguments are flawed. I really didnt think I would have to add that part about how Kuroshitsuji DOES count as an animated cartoon but for people like you I see I should have!


You need to take a chill pill. I'm not even joking.

http://16thandhighland.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/chill-pill.gif

If we want to talk about the literal definitions of words, we can end the thread with this:

Animation = Anime = Cartoon

These things are one and the same. There is no distinction between them. That's it. The end. Go eat a cookie.:rolleyes:

However, CULTURALLY, there is a distinction. In the West, the word "cartoon" is generally used for Western animation, while "anime" is used for Japanese animation, just as "manhua" is used for Chinese animation and "manhwa" is used for Korean animation (although "manhua" and "manhwa" are used to for comics from their respective countries, the word is also used for their animated shows as well, to keep things simple).

It should be known that this distinction is made along the lines of where the franchise originated, not where the animation was actually done. For example, The Simpsons and Hey Arnold! are called "cartoons" even though every episode from each series was animated in South Korea. And despite the fact that the Japanese would call Spongebob and The Legend of Korra "anime", these shows aren't called that in the West since they were made in America (well, some people call Korra an anime, but that is a separate discussion). In fact, I usually make the argument that most people come to the Anime Forum with the intention of discussing Japanese cartoons, not ALL cartoons, despite the Japanese definition of the word "anime".

[Zombie Ixi]

You need to take a chill pill. I'm not even joking.

http://16thandhighland.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/chill-pill.gif

If we want to talk about the literal definitions of words, we can end the thread with this:

Animation = Anime = Cartoon

These things are one and the same. There is no distinction between them. That's it. The end. Go eat a cookie.:rolleyes:

However, CULTURALLY, there is a distinction. In the West, the word "cartoon" is generally used for Western animation, while "anime" is used for Japanese animation, just as "manhua" is used for Chinese animation and "manhwa" is used for Korean animation (although "manhua" and "manhwa" are used to for comics from their respective countries, the word is also used for their animated shows as well, to keep things simple).

It should be known that this distinction is made along the lines of where the franchise originated, not where the animation was actually done. For example, The Simpsons and Hey Arnold! are called "cartoons" even though every episode from each series was animated in South Korea. And despite the fact that the Japanese would call Spongebob and The Legend of Korra "anime", these shows aren't called that in the West since they were made in America (well, some people call Korra an anime, but that is a separate discussion). In fact, I usually make the argument that most people come to the Anime Forum with the intention of discussing Japanese cartoons, not ALL cartoons, despite the Japanese definition of the word "anime".

Thanks for providing suitable proof that Kuroshitsuji is an anime AND a cartoon. Little does Zainox know by the definition of an animated cartoon, its laughable to claim Kuro ( or any other anime) is not.

[GameGeeks]

That is so ridiculous. I will now mock it to show you how flimsy that is. ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon. The saying that the term " Cartoon " can only mean Western animation is more otaku scare tactics and the fact taht you really said that BS means you are just parroting the drivel.

I also see your source is Wikipedia. You need a new link. Here try this one.


http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=596803

Also, it says many times that " All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime" this is not debateable, it is a proven fact. Also, the fact that Kuroshitsuji ( and all anime really) is drawn, colored and animated makes anybody that says different sound like an idiot.

Also note that one smart poster said " Although anime and WESTERN animation is different, it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons. Fact.

All your ridiculous arguments are flawed. I really didnt think I would have to add that part about how Kuroshitsuji DOES count as an animated cartoon but for people like you I see I should have!


Thanks for providing suitable proof that Kuroshitsuji is an anime AND a cartoon. Little does Zainox know by the definition of an animated cartoon, its laughable to claim Kuro ( or any other anime) is not.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4121981440/hB1A5188E/

[Zombie Ixi]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4121981440/hB1A5188E/

GameGeeks why do you insist Im a derp? Are you just obsessed with Derp memes? Are you calling me a derp because I stated the blatantly obvious state,dnt of Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon? Did you really think I or anyone else didnt know that? How long did it take you guys to figure out Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon? My guess is like, 5 seconds

[Zombie Ixi]

Explain how Im a derp? Is it because the fact that Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon is blatantly obvious and I posted it as if nobody knew that? Any way how long did it take you guys to figure that out?

[Ωmega]

Explain how Im a derp? Is it because the fact that Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon is blatantly obvious and I posted it as if nobody knew that? Any way how long did it take you guys to figure that out?

Because you felt the need to make a thread that really wasnt needed and stated something that probably only Clayton would argue against [because he seems to like to start them]. So thank you Captain Obvious, your work here is done.

[wolfgirl90]

Thanks for providing suitable proof that Kuroshitsuji is an anime AND a cartoon. Little does Zainox know by the definition of an animated cartoon, its laughable to claim Kuro ( or any other anime) is not.

Remember when I said to chill? That still applies....

If you read Zainox's post, you will see that he said the same thing I did. I just made a longer version of it.


Did some Googling. Apparently the term cartoon and anime both stand for all terms of animation in their own regions. So technically you could use them both for all animation. But through time, they have been defined by people.

That's what I said, is it not? That "Anime" and "Cartoon" are essentially the same things? That only a cultural context separates the two terms? As I said, if we are going to use the literal definitions, this thread could have ended a long time ago. Most people won't argue that the terms are interchangeable in the literal sense. In the back of the minds of most people, the terms "cartoon" and "anime" mean the same thing.

HOWEVER, and this is the point that appears to be escaping you, most anime fans would refrain from calling anime "cartoons", since the term "cartoon" has been culturally reserved for Western animation (along with the social stigma of the word "cartoon", but that is a separate discussion). This is the reason why most anime fans would readily say that Kuroshitsuji is an anime, but hesitate at calling it a "cartoon"; one either goes with the literal translation and undermine the cultural definition of "anime" (as in undermining the reason why we separate the two) or state that there is a difference when one doesn't exist. There is no winning that argument, so it is better that people recognize these definitions ahead of time instead of asking whether an anime is a cartoon. Its the same thing as asking if a tiger is a cat or if rain is water.:rolleyes:


Explain how Im a derp? Is it because the fact that Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon is blatantly obvious and I posted it as if nobody knew that? Any way how long did it take you guys to figure that out?

Immediately. The "Is anime a cartoon?" discussion is something that has been done over and over again on AF. Plus, as I said, most anime fans already know that, inherently, there is no difference between the two terms. Its just that within the anime community, there is a difference, but (technically) only where the shows come from.

Since it is obvious that you asking about the literal definition, something that most people already intrinsically know, yeah, you are looking a little derpy right now.

[Zombie Ixi]

Remember when I said to chill? That still applies....

If you read Zainox's post, you will see that he said the same thing I did. I just made a longer version of it.



That's what I said, is it not? That "Anime" and "Cartoon" are essentially the same things? That only a cultural context separates the two terms? As I said, if we are going to use the literal definitions, this thread could have ended a long time ago. Most people won't argue that the terms are interchangeable in the literal sense. In the back of the minds of most people, the terms "cartoon" and "anime" mean the same thing.

HOWEVER, and this is the point that appears to be escaping you, most anime fans would refrain from calling anime "cartoons", since the term "cartoon" has been culturally reserved for Western animation (along with the social stigma of the word "cartoon", but that is a separate discussion). This is the reason why most anime fans would readily say that Kuroshitsuji is an anime, but hesitate at calling it a "cartoon"; one either goes with the literal translation and undermine the cultural definition of "anime" (as in undermining the reason why we separate the two) or state that there is a difference when one doesn't exist. There is no winning that argument, so it is better that people recognize these definitions ahead of time instead of asking whether an anime is a cartoon. Its the same thing as asking if a tiger is a cat or if rain is water.:rolleyes:




Immediately. The "Is anime a cartoon?" discussion is something that has been done over and over again on AF. Plus, as I said, most anime fans already know that, inherently, there is no difference between the two terms. Its just that within the anime community, there is a difference, but (technically) only where the shows come from.

Since it is obvious that you asking about the literal definition, something that most people already intrinsically know, yeah, you are looking a little derpy right now.

You're right. Scientifically, anime and cartoons are NOT different, but here in America we think they are. So you're saying even the strawman knew Kuroshitsuji was both an anime and a cartoon? That fact was as obvious as " Hamsters and gerbils are both rodents"? * face hoof* And I felt like Einstein when I said Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon...

[Zainox]

You realize you can have a perfectly fine discussion without being apprehensive, right?


ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon
Isn't this what I said in my previous post? I also posted links to the wiki proving this.


http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=596803
This is a forum board full of opinions. How is this any better than a wiki?


Also, it says many times that " All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime" this is not debateable, it is a proven fact.


Did you read the wiki I linked. In there it states that anime and cartoons can be represented for all animations.
Quoted from the wiki:
Anime -"The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese. In Japanese, the term references all animation"
Cartoon - "Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and the word "cartoon" is currently used to refer to both animated cartoons and gag cartoons"

[Zombie Ixi]

You realize you can have a perfectly fine discussion without being apprehensive, right?


Isn't this what I said in my previous post? I also posted links to the wiki proving this.


This is a forum board full of opinions. How is this any better than a wiki?



Did you read the wiki I linked. In there it states that anime and cartoons can be represented for all animations.
Quoted from the wiki:
Anime -"The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation" in Japanese. In Japanese, the term references all animation"
Cartoon - "Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and the word "cartoon" is currently used to refer to both animated cartoons and gag cartoons"

YOU said " If someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong" Now you're contradicting yourself by saying ALL animation can be considered a cartoon. This includes Kuro does it not? You also stated that Kuroshitsuji can't be classed as an animated cartoon because it is Japanese animation and not American animation. That's as asinine as " White tigers can't be classed as tigers because they are white, not orange" and I told you to actually read the definition of an animated cartoon and realize its laughable to claim Kuro ( or Kuroshitsuji ll for that matter) is not.

[Ωmega]

YOU said " If someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong" Now you're contradicting yourself by saying ALL animation can be considered a cartoon. This includes Kuro does it not? You also stated that Kuroshitsuji can't be classed as an animated cartoon because it is Japanese animation and not American animation. That's as asinine as " White tigers can't be classed as tigers because they are white, not orange" and I told you to actually read the definition of an animated cartoon and realize its laughable to claim Kuro ( or Kuroshitsuji ll for that matter) is not.

Quote/link or it didnt happen. Rules of the internet

[Zombie Ixi]

Here is the definition of an animated cartoon. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/animated+cartoon

Go back to page 1 for Zainox's asinine comment

[Zombie Ixi]

You're an Omega, Im an Alpha. Here is the proof you asked for http://www.thefreedictionary.com/animated+cartoon Zaninox's asinine comment is on page 1

[Zombie Ixi]

Getting people to accept this is gon' take another place, another time, another world, another life.

[Ωmega]

Getting people to accept this is gon' take another place, another time, another world, another life.

Accept what? No one has argued the different with you. No one. You claimed they have, but unless you can provide evidence of this, then youre just off your rocker.

[Zainox]

YOU said " If someone says Kuroshitsuji is a cartoon, they are wrong" Now you're contradicting yourself by saying ALL animation can be considered a cartoon. This includes Kuro does it not?

Yeah, that's true. I didn't want to edit my post, so I added what I found after I went Googling. I tried breaking it up with the big space. :P


You also stated that Kuroshitsuji can't be classed as an animated cartoon because it is Japanese animation and not American animation. That's as asinine as " White tigers can't be classed as tigers because they are white, not orange" and I told you to actually read the definition of an animated cartoon and realize its laughable to claim Kuro ( or Kuroshitsuji ll for that matter) is not.
What I'm trying to say is. By definition, all animation can be named either an anime or a cartoon (anime of course being the shortened, Japanese word for animation). But by the majority of the people anime is now defined to Japanese animation alone. You won't find that in no wiki or dictionary because it isn't official. If you are arguing technicality, yes anime can be defined as a cartoon and vise versa. If you are to argue it on a forum with people, most will say anime and cartoons are two different things. Because people have defined it other wise.

[Zombie Ixi]

Yeah, that's true. I didn't want to edit my post, so I added what I found after I went Googling. I tried breaking it up with the big space. :P


What I'm trying to say is. By definition, all animation can be named either an anime or a cartoon (anime of course being the shortened, Japanese word for animation). But by the majority of the people anime is now defined to Japanese animation alone. You won't find that in no wiki or dictionary because it isn't official. If you are arguing technicality, yes anime can be defined as a cartoon and vise versa. If you are to argue it on a forum with people, most will say anime and cartoons are two different things. Because people have defined it other wise.

When people say anime and cartoons are two different things I put that down to lack of research and common knowledge. And I know anime only means Japanese animation. But the next time I have to type " Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon" it's going to be in size 72 brightly colored glitter font. I can't believe I even have to tell people that anymore.

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Told ya.

[星らぶ]

When people say anime and cartoons are two different things I put that down to lack of research and common knowledge. And I know anime only means Japanese animation. But the next time I have to type " Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon" it's going to be in size 72 brightly colored glitter font. I can't believe I even have to tell people that anymore.


What I don't understand is why you get so aggressive about it.
Anime refers to Japanese Animation because that's a way to tell what is what
And I personally wont start saying "japanese catroon" just because you say so
both anime and cartoons fall under the umbrella of animation arts, the reason most people use Anime to refer to Japanese animation is because it is a HUGE industry

same way you say Hollywood, Bollywood, European Films etc they are all movies but you separate them with such labels because they are all huge industries with cultural differences and genre types.

When I say I prefer anime over cartoons I mean the different industries, if you do not see the difference then the problem is yours not of those who use whatever term they feel like.

[Zombie Ixi]

What I don't understand is why you get so aggressive about it.
Anime refers to Japanese Animation because that's a way to tell what is what
And I personally wont start saying "japanese catroon" just because you say so
both anime and cartoons fall under the umbrella of animation arts, the reason most people use Anime to refer to Japanese animation is because it is a HUGE industry

same way you say Hollywood, Bollywood, European Films etc they are all movies but you separate them with such labels because they are all huge industries with cultural differences and genre types.

When I say I prefer anime over cartoons I mean the different industries, if you do not see the difference then the problem is yours not of those who use whatever term they feel like.

That is the most asinine ridiculous thing I ever heard, Kuroshitsuji is Japanese animation and ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon, thus its classification as both. The bKuroshitsuji is BOTH an anime AND a cartoon. I can't believe there is even a debate about this anymore. This is a fact and not up for debate. Little do you know All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. While anime and WESTERN animation is different it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons. Its really not debatable, its a fact. Geez if people keep up with the BS that Kuroshitsuji doesn't count as an animated cartoon this is gonna be the next thing they see http://my.opera.com/ladiesman69/albums/showpic.dml?album=2191341&picture=29818041
I'm that tiger...

[GameGeeks]

When people say anime and cartoons are two different things I put that down to lack of research and common knowledge. And I know anime only means Japanese animation. But the next time I have to type " Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and a cartoon" it's going to be in size 72 brightly colored glitter font. I can't believe I even have to tell people that anymore.

---------- Post added at 01:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:32 AM ----------

http://www.sparklee.com/make?text=Kuroshitsuji+is+both+an+anime+and+a+cart oon+&font=voodoo-doll&size=72&color=%2366FF00&bkcolor=ffffff&angle=0

Told ya.
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/3/3/3/9/1/1/5/herpaderp-93977159016.jpeg

[Anime Forum]

That is the most asinine ridiculous thing I ever heard, Kuroshitsuji is Japanese animation and ANYTHING animated can be classed as a cartoon, thus its classification as both. The bKuroshitsuji is BOTH an anime AND a cartoon. I can't believe there is even a debate about this anymore. This is a fact and not up for debate. Little do you know All anime ARE cartoons but not all cartoons are anime. While anime and WESTERN animation is different it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons. Its really not debatable, its a fact. Geez if people keep up with the BS that Kuroshitsuji doesn't count as an animated cartoon this is gonna be the next thing they see http://my.opera.com/ladiesman69/albums/showpic.dml?album=2191341&picture=29818041
I'm that tiger...

By any chance are you on medication? You are one seriously annoying person and the chances of you making friends around here are small, unless you back off and act less aggressive. People like you are seriously need to take a chill pill or five. You only live once so live life less "The Shining". Y'know, the movie?

[星らぶ]

While anime and WESTERN animation is different it is NOT false to say they are BOTH cartoons.

instead of insulting other you should probably get your OWN facts straight
you mix the crap out of things and you don't listen anyone who is trying to explain
getting mad doesn't fix the problem

the umbrella term is ANIMATION
cartoon is IMAGES, what you classify as cartoon falsely is ANIMATED cartoon which fall under, guess what: ANIMATION

see what I did here?

good
now have a definition or two from Oxford University Dictionary of English

Definition of anime in English (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/anime)


anime

Pronunciation: /ˈanɪmeɪ, ˈanɪmə/ (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/key-to-pronunciation)
noun

[mass noun]

a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children. Compare with manga (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/manga).

Origin:

1980s: Japanese, shortened from animēshon, based on English animation (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/animation)


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and another one
Definition of cartoon in English (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cartoon?q=cartoon)


cartoon

Pronunciation: /kɑːˈtuːn/ (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/key-to-pronunciation)
noun



1a simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in a humorously exaggerated way, especially a satirical one in a newspaper or magazine: the minister faced a welter of hostile headlines and mocking cartoons
(also cartoon strip) a narrative sequence of humorous drawings in a comic, magazine, or newspaper, usually with captions: a Peanuts cartoon by Charles Schulz
a simplified or exaggerated version or interpretation of something: [as modifier]:Dolores becomes a cartoon housewife, reading glossy magazines in a bathrobe



2a film using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects: we watched Yogi Bear cartoons on TV [as modifier]:cartoon characters a cartoon show



3a full-size drawing made by an artist as a preliminary design for a painting or other work of art: the tapestries are based on a set of cartoons commissioned by Pope Leo XI

verb

[with object]

make a drawing of (someone) in a simplified or exaggerated way: she has a face with enough character to be cartooned
(as noun cartooning) the activity or occupation of drawing cartoons: he pursued a career in newspaper cartooning

[Zombie Ixi]

Then Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and an ANIMATED cartoon, if it really fcking matters if I say animated or not.

[Mystelinth]

Then Kuroshitsuji is both an anime and an ANIMATED cartoon, if it really fcking matters if I say animated or not.

It feels like you're just copying and pasting everything you've said before at this point.

[Zombie Ixi]

It feels like you're just copying and pasting everything you've said before at this point.

I am not. And did everyone really already know that Kuro is both a anime and a cartoon? Did I really not teach them anything new? And am I really a derp for thinking people didnt know that?

[GameGeeks]

I am not. And did everyone really already know that Kuro is both a anime and a cartoon? Did I really not teach them anything new? And am I really a derp for thinking people didnt know that?
Your a derp because no one gives to cares about this. You're just too slow to realize that and keep hitting people over the head to try and get them to care. Drop it and find something else or leave. You became sad three of my posts in when you didn't quite grasp what those derps where about.

[Zombie Ixi]

You lack common knowledge and are are a total ( insert certain " B" word here)

[Mystelinth]

You have common knowledge and are a total Bro.


Couldn't agree more with ya.

[Zombie Ixi]

That's not theB word I meant the word I meant meant " female dog"

[GameGeeks]

You lack common knowledge and are are a total ( insert certain " B" word here)
http://images.wikia.com/smuff/images/f/f3/Derp.gif

[wolfgirl90]

This...this is still going on? I thought I was done. I thought I was clear. What the eff?


You're right. Scientifically, anime and cartoons are NOT different, but here in America we think they are. So you're saying even the strawman knew Kuroshitsuji was both an anime and a cartoon? That fact was as obvious as " Hamsters and gerbils are both rodents"? * face hoof* And I felt like Einstein when I said Kuro is both an anime and a cartoon...

Yeah, everyone already knew. No one is debating the literal definitions of these terms. The only person who INSISTS on debating those terms is you. Let's go back to the comparison I made with tigers and cats...

Let's say that there is a group called "The Cat Club". Every week they talk about cats. Cat shows, cat toys, cat food, crazy cat ladies, everything cats. One week, they host an event where people can bring their cats so that they can hang out and do cat things. However, one person brings a freaking tiger!

"Why in the world do you have a tiger?!", one member asks as they scurry away from the stripped death machine.

"Well, this IS a cat club. Tigers are cats, dude."

"OMG! That's not what we meant!"

You see, in the cat club, it is automatically assumed that the word "cat" means "domestic cat", the ones that you keep as pets. Even though the word "cat" is used to describe an entire family of animals (in this case Felidae, which contains animals from lions to cheetahs to servals), in this case, the word is understood to mean only one type of cat: the domestic cat. This doesn't mean that the club members don't know that tigers are cats (in fact, as cat lovers, they know more than anybody else). Its just that there is a specific definition within the club about what "cats" they are talking about.

Same thing with "cartoon" and "anime". "Cartoon" is an umbrella term that includes anime. HOWEVER, within the anime community, "cartoon" is used specifically for western cartoons, while "anime" is used for Japanese cartoons. This doesn't mean that we don't know that they go together. Just that the definition is different within this community. Why? Because we are SPECIFICALLY talking about Japanese cartoons. We need the term to separate what we are talking about (Japanese cartoons) from what we are not (every other animated show).


You're an Omega, Im an Alpha. Here is the proof you asked for http://www.thefreedictionary.com/animated+cartoon Zaninox's asinine comment is on page 1

I already talked about how Zainox's comment was similar to mine, albeit shorter. I suggest you look at it again.

And you're not an Alpha. I'M the only Alpha around here.


I am not. And did everyone really already know that Kuro is both a anime and a cartoon? Did I really not teach them anything new? And am I really a derp for thinking people didnt know that?

Yes. You are arguing about the literal definition of words that we have already grasped. Like I said before, the point that you are missing is that CULTURALLY, these words have different definitions depending on who you ask.

For example, if I were to show a random anime picture to a random person, such as this one...

http://www.novidadediaria.com.br/wp-content/gallery/hamtaro/hamtaro-1.jpg

...and asked them what it was, they would say that it was a cartoon. Why? Because it is. If I were to go to an anime convention and ask another person, they would say that it was an anime. Why? Because it is. The differences between the two answers does not mean that one person is wrong or that there is an intrinsic difference between a cartoon and an anime. It just shows that different words are used for different things by different people.

Do we get it now?

[GameGeeks]

This...this is still going on? I thought I was done. I thought I was clear. What the eff?



Yeah, everyone already knew. No one is debating the literal definitions of these terms. The only person who INSISTS on debating those terms is you. Let's go back to the comparison I made with tigers and cats...

Let's say that there is a group called "The Cat Club". Every week they talk about cats. Cat shows, cat toys, cat food, crazy cat ladies, everything cats. One week, they host an event where people can bring their cats so that they can hang out and do cat things. However, one person brings a freaking tiger!

"Why in the world do you have a tiger?!", one member asks as they scurry away from the stripped death machine.

"Well, this IS a cat club. Tigers are cats, dude."

"OMG! That's not what we meant!"

You see, in the cat club, it is automatically assumed that the word "cat" means "domestic cat", the ones that you keep as pets. Even though the word "cat" is used to describe an entire family of animals (in this case Felidae, which contains animals from lions to cheetahs to servals), in this case, the word is understood to mean only one type of cat: the domestic cat. This doesn't mean that the club members don't know that tigers are cats (in fact, as cat lovers, they know more than anybody else). Its just that there is a specific definition within the club about what "cats" they are talking about.

Same thing with "cartoon" and "anime". "Cartoon" is an umbrella term that includes anime. HOWEVER, within the anime community, "cartoon" is used specifically for western cartoons, while "anime" is used for Japanese cartoons. This doesn't mean that we don't know that they go together. Just that the definition is different within this community. Why? Because we are SPECIFICALLY talking about Japanese cartoons. We need the term to separate what we are talking about (Japanese cartoons) from what we are not (every other animated show).



I already talked about how Zainox's comment was similar to mine, albeit shorter. I suggest you look at it again.

And you're not an Alpha. I'M the only Alpha around here.



Yes. You are arguing about the literal definition of words that we have already grasped. Like I said before, the point that you are missing is that CULTURALLY, these words have different definitions depending on who you ask.

For example, if I were to show a random anime picture to a random person, such as this one...

http://www.novidadediaria.com.br/wp-content/gallery/hamtaro/hamtaro-1.jpg

...and asked them what it was, they would say that it was a cartoon. Why? Because it is. If I were to go to an anime convention and ask another person, they would say that it was an anime. Why? Because it is. The differences between the two answers does not mean that one person is wrong or that there is an intrinsic difference between a cartoon and an anime. It just shows that different words are used for different things by different people.

Do we get it now?Eh, don't bother they're just looking for proof for something where there isn't any. You can't have proof on opinion. Doesn't matter how accepted the general opinion is or isn't. It's still an opinion meaning no facts or proof.

[Zombie Ixi]

Eh, don't bother they're just looking for proof for something where there isn't any. You can't have proof on opinion. Doesn't matter how accepted the general opinion is or isn't. It's still an opinion meaning no facts or proof.

That's not Hamtaro and the Ham Hams. THESE are the ham hamshttp://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Hamtaro-Without-His-Eyepatch-378252269

http://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Lady-Bijou-379018913

http://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Yes-My-Ham-
381741433

http://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Its-Madame-Ham-368405276

That's not all of them. Btw that wolf in that GIF looks like Brandy from Hamtaro only it needs red eyes and to sleep outside the Ham Ham Manor XD

[Ωmega]

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/130/lrbg.png

[GameGeeks]

That's not Hamtaro and the Ham Hams. THESE are the ham hamshttp://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Hamtaro-Without-His-Eyepatch-378252269

http://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Lady-Bijou-379018913

http://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Yes-My-Ham-
381741433

http://http://unprotected-hamster.deviantart.com/art/Its-Madame-Ham-368405276

That's not all of them. Btw that wolf in that GIF looks like Brandy from Hamtaro only it needs red eyes and to sleep outside the Ham Ham Manor XDhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15hs6LJ4l1qa6lp8.gif

[Zombie Ixi]

Come on GameGeeks. You gotta love Hamtaro's contract eye. EVERYONE loves Hamtaro's contract eye.

[wolfgirl90]

Come on GameGeeks. You gotta love Hamtaro's contract eye. EVERYONE loves Hamtaro's contract eye.

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/4/191189-ichigo_super.jpg

[Zombie Ixi]

Hamtaros contract eye is that purple star in his right eye. You probably know this.

[GameGeeks]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/do-not-care.gif

[Zainox]

Hamtaros contract eye is that purple star in his right eye. You probably know this.

I used to watch it when I was younger, but it's been way to long for me to remember anything from it now. :P

[Zombie Ixi]

Hey GameGeeks read this :

http://www.sparklee.com/make?text=B+I+t+ch&font=warlock&size=100&color=ff0000&bkcolor=ffffff&angle=0

[GameGeeks]

Hey GameGeeks read this :

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/crying-waterfalls.gif

[Zainox]

Hey GameGeeks read this :

http://www.sparklee.com/make?text=B+I+t+ch&font=warlock&size=100&color=ff0000&bkcolor=ffffff&angle=0

It's spelt with an I not and L, silly billy! :3

[Zombie Ixi]

That's it. I must use carrot soup attack. Yes. Split carrot soup. In a badass attack maneuver by a specific darigan ixi

[Ωmega]

It's spelt with an I not and L, silly billy! :3

Its her way of trying to get around the profanity rule, which, if she actually read, she'd realize its still very much against the rules.

But apparently she doesnt read like, anything. So it seems pretty pointless to try

[Zombie Ixi]

IDGAF. This isn't Neopets. You don't have to act like TNT. Freedom of speech, bro.

[GameGeeks]

IDGAF. This isn't Neopets. You don't have to act like TNT. Freedom of speech, bro.
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/f/f3/Derp.gif

[Ωmega]

Youre right, it isnt, since apparently members here can read and follow directions. Why dont you go crawl back to whatever hole you came from?

[Zombie Ixi]

Betch, please. Your skin looks like chocolate and your hair looks like hair sprayed black licorice

[星らぶ]

I really miss the days in 90s ~early 00s when interwebs had civilized people who respected one another and knew how to be appropriate.

for couple of years now brats came in and they think that everything belongs to them, they have a right to use whatever they find without permission, and talk whatever they want without consequences.

someone wise once said: "your freedom stops where someone else's freedom starts" this rule applies in ALL communities off and on line but those brats I mentioned above have no idea what is to be a civilized person.

/end of rhetorical thoughts of randomess, in a completely pointless thread...

[Ωmega]

Betch, please. Your skin looks like chocolate and your hair looks like hair sprayed black licorice

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8320/xnno.jpg

[Albear]

You're an Omega, Im an Alpha. Here is the proof you asked for http://www.thefreedictionary.com/animated+cartoon Zaninox's asinine comment is on page 1

And I am a SSS level Beta. The supporting character in the sidelines with an extremely high power level.

[blueangel06661]

http://media.tumblr.com/f25dd241d30f6f2d68b5b89cd33f078a/tumblr_inline_mv3708upFW1rvgf4q.gif

What have I been missing... Hot dang. Better abort ASAP

[Zombie Ixi]

Wow, I am SO scared of being frozen

[GameGeeks]

Betch, please. Your skin looks like chocolate and your hair looks like hair sprayed black licorice
http://wasahiro.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/mfwpeoplearebutt-hurtbecausebastianmadehisownchannel_de1a8ea305cc93 5d33f8aa5c94a3f718.jpg

[Ωmega]

Wow, I am SO scared of being frozen

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1189/us2v.jpg

[Zainox]

I'm surprised she is still coming back. She's like a Miley Cyrus, soaking up all this attention.

[Albear]

wow, i am so scared of being frozen

dudewhat.jpeg

[Zombie Ixi]

We are getting WAY off topic here. Why am I still hearing from the chocolate betches? There is a reason I think segregation should still exist...

[GameGeeks]

We are getting WAY off topic here. Why am I still hearing from the chocolate betches? There is a reason I think segregation should still exist...
Least now we wont have to put up with you any longer.

[Ωmega]

We are getting WAY off topic here. Why am I still hearing from the chocolate betches? There is a reason I think segregation should still exist...

Obvious troll is obvious. Crawl back to /b/, you fail

[Zombie Ixi]

You're about to see my true form. Be warned, you may not have a soul anymore...

[GameGeeks]

You're about to see my true form. Be warned, you may not have a soul anymore...
This sorta like those pictures you claimed to have but actually don't?

[Zombie Ixi]

No, I just wanna prove to that atheist Tenrou Negitsune that these things are real. But I'm wondering is why the hell do these things look like a Darigan Zafara and not a human servant like Seb from Kuroshitsuji?