Over edited cartoons

[Clayton_n]

As I watch the shows on the CW, Cartoon Network, etc, is it just me or do they over edit a lot of cartoons?

And what can we do about it?


For example, i dont' remember this scene...
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/busty_girl.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfb-3uNflck

[Ωmega]

....what do you mean 'over edit'?

[Clayton_n]

Like Dragonball Z Kai... or if you want to go American the current showing of Justice League on Vortex.

Even if you haven't seen what they're showing now, you've seen Justice League Unlimited I assume. Can you think of a valid reason to eliminate ANYTHING from that show?

[Ωmega]

Like Dragonball Z Kai... or if you want to go American the current showing of Justice League on Vortex.

Even if you haven't seen what they're showing now, you've seen Justice League Unlimited I assume. Can you think of a valid reason to eliminate ANYTHING from that show?

Aside from Kai, I havent watched any of those shows, so I really dont know what you mean.

Kai was done for the sole purpose of cutting out all the fluff, compressing the show to its main core over five episodes of Goku charging up a spirit bomb. I know the American release of animes tend to cut out things they deem 'inappropriate', like James cross dressing in an episode of Pokemon or Rini being spanked in Sailor Moon. Its an issue of cultural standards.

[Clayton_n]

Uh huh... sure it was. And when Goku died fighting his brother his body "went to another dimension".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bs0NWmIZ-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAmnpKlCJPE
now if you're interested I have some lovely seaside land to sell you in Colorado...

[Ωmega]

Uh, it was? They reduced something like 49 episodes down to 20. They also remastered it, altered some color schemes and worked on the aspect ratios. Kai was essentially the 'directors cut' for the 20th anniversary.


Seriously, 95% of the threads you post on this site can easily be answered by doing simple google searches.

[Clayton_n]

How about Naruto?


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/252/5/2/haku_by_elliluvs2draw-d5e4zw0.jpg

Or Card Captors


Heck they edited Pokemon
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/32/Gun.png

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I'm just saying the cartoons should be left as they were made aside from dubbing.

http://www.dubthis.net/comics/dt20001005.jpg

[Ωmega]

How about Naruto?


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/252/5/2/haku_by_elliluvs2draw-d5e4zw0.jpg

Or Card Captors


Heck they edited Pokemon
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/32/Gun.png

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0sA9g-W2el7Vbka7pRJC9oW6fBs_1svYUqhgvQTEB5AMAFJiycA:arch ives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/29/EP018DeletedShot.png


I'm just saying the cartoons should be left as they were made aside from dubbing.

http://www.dubthis.net/comics/dt20001005.jpg

......................did you not read my post? Apparently not, otherwise you would have noticed I said that yes, they edited pokemon and sailor moon because of cultural differences. Cross dressing, lesbians, etc etc etc are edited for American children. We have different cultural standards than the Japanese, thus the editing. While I agree with some of the edits, there are others I disagree with.

[Clayton_n]

Ah, right. And I agree. Sometimes I can gigve it to them. I mean who minds them turning the blood in bleach black? But when they, for example, make Sailor Uranus and Neptune cousins... that was a little too far.

Now what can we do to fix it?


Also give me one reason we can't have lesbians in kids shows over here. No sex, but admitted couples at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJZLLD9AQRY

[Ωmega]

Ah, right. And I agree. Sometimes I can gigve it to them. I mean who minds them turning the blood in bleach black? But when they, for example, make Sailor Uranus and Neptune cousins... that was a little too far.

Now what can we do to fix it?


Also give me one reason we can't have lesbians in kids shows over here. No sex, but admitted couples at least.


Because America is still full of bigots and the gay community doesnt have equal rights. All we can do is try to fight for those equal rights and help make things like lesbians acceptable in our culture.

[Clayton_n]

True. Seems unfair since guys and girls can date, though.


I'm still holding out hope for My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. If nothing else the guy to girl ratio it 10-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzHHLrzSvQ

http://images.wikia.com/mlp/images/e/ec/Diamond_Tiara_and_Silver_Spoon_in_crowded_hallway_ EG.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IGCtKpmLsn8/TnHbUpBfF1I/AAAAAAAAMOU/2aZMC-zGuAI/s1600/131239278755.png

On a side note, American cartoons have gone downhill since Spielberg stopped making them. Where are the shows like Animaniacs with pointless cartoon violence and sexy women? I blame AOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjaPiyNdDlk

[Ωmega]

True. Seems unfair since guys and girls can date, though.


I'm still holding out hope for My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. If nothing else the guy to girl ratio it 10-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzHHLrzSvQ
I would not be the least bit surprised if Lauren had some sort of gay relationship in the back of her head for some of these ponies, but it'll be a cold day in hell that Hasbro lets something like that happen. I was surprised they let Derpy go for as long as she did and then quickly edited her when there was backlash from parents about her being a "retarded pony" [which she isnt]. But oh well. I think more and more liberals are rising up in America, maybe in 10 years none of that will be an issue anymore

[Clayton_n]

She claimed she had no intention of any of them dating originally.


Though that doesn't make much sense with Rarity.

By all rights Season 4 of Kim Possible should have had her and Shego hooking up.

They used to make fun of this crud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7zvLSmrh8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG9-SCVc-E0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_usEGRXNkI

[DeathBlade/13.666]

-smh.- Kim Possible dating Shego... That would've never happened for one reason. Opposite sides! Besides most of her relationship build up was with Ron. Thus the whole "Stoppable to Possible" transformation. Did you even watch the show? Not saying it couldn't happen, but girls aren't like guys. They usually don't become epic friends (or lovers) after fighting with someone for a long time. Sure they may work together, and have mutual respect for each other, but they still dislike each other because they're enemies.

[Clayton_n]

-smh.- Kim Possible dating Shego... That would've never happened for one reason. Opposite sides! Besides most of her relationship build up was with Ron. Thus the whole "Stoppable to Possible" transformation. Did you even watch the show? Not saying it couldn't happen, but girls aren't like guys. They usually don't become epic friends (or lovers) after fighting with someone for a long time. Sure they may work together, and have mutual respect for each other, but they still dislike each other because they're enemies.


Actually they've teamed up a few times. Shego has even gone out of her way to save Kim's life and when Shego was turned good kim's immediate reaction was "we'll let her stay in my room."


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Note: I am aware of the spelling errors... I simply don't care

[DeathBlade/13.666]

-.-; Only an idiot would mistake two people trying to be friends after years of fighting for a lesbian or attempted lesbian relationship. And btw, there was no over editing there. You cannot edit out what isn't there.

[Clayton_n]

Right. I see your point. In cartoons people who have been enemies NEVER hook up or even become friends. Clearly I was wrong.

And nobody but me saw anything between Kim and shego. Obviously i'm sick in the head.


http://www.animeforum.com/showthread.php?115391-We-need-a-SARCASM-font&highlight=Sarcasm+font

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/Will_you_mmmhhhf_by_YogurthFrost.jpg


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/bscap509dd6wg3pz5dz8jy5at0.jpg

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http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/KPNewAttack.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6G2xfaC-l0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCuW_JNrkqo


ANYWAy, I don't see why they can't have a relationship like that in a kids cartoon if boys and girls can date in it. Seems a little one sided and in japan they do it all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS4BYGk_T6A

[Naughty Dog]

That example of this "Haku" looks like it's from Naruto - the first picture looks like the earlier episodes while the later picture looks like it would have been done way further down the line - American censors would not go through the trouble of editing a bishounen to look more feminine, because the fanbase of early to mid teen fans would throw a fit over it and because it's too much work to edit every appearence. Why would they oversexualize a guy to look like a girl to appeal to a mostly homophobic fanbase?

And Shego and Kim were written as rivals. If they met under different circumstances, they could have been friends - but they are not friends due to their chosen professions. they have a mutual respect for one another, that does not translate into bisexual/lesbian lovers offscreen. In the case where Shego lives at the Possible place for a while, Kim was the reason she was there - thus, Shego was Kim's responsibility, keeping Shego out of her family's hair as much as possible. To do that, Kim lent her room to Shego - to avoid the stress of preparing another place to sleep where the family would be disrupted, i.e. on the couch or on the floor in the living room, Kim suggested a place that would mainly inconvenience her and not her family.

I get the slash - I know one fic, pretty damn awesome - but that is not their relationship, nor was it ever meant to be. They were rivals, equals on opposing sides of their fight. There is nothing more there, nor was there anything else intended. You are reading too much into it.

And RE: gay/lesbian relationships in animation - that's a case of values dissonance. Japan's more cool with that than America - a gay relationship in American animation would never fly, the censors would shoot it down in seconds. Over here it's deemed "inappropriate" whether we like it or not.

[Clayton_n]

people have serious questions about Dawn and Zoey in pokemon. Also Rouge and Topaz in Sonic X.


Avatar got away with it once.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/hamn4.jpg

[Naughty Dog]

That is not a relationship. That is a misunderstanding you are taking out of context. Toph thought Suki was Sokka - she even proclaimed "Oh Sokka! I knew you would save me!" before kissing Suki.

Are you a troll?

[Clayton_n]

No, I'm merely pointing out that this got on Tv and nobody had a hissy fit.


Then there's the old harley and Ivy thing from batman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-Lnw-Rjl0
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/BatgirlHarley.jpg

or that couple from oban Star Racers

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/motivator6ae5cd2fcd64a316755b721719.jpg

[(_YvOnSo_)]

Randomly pointing this out, read the first couple of posts, but quit because it got redundant after awhile, but did you ever see the cut version of Naruto when it was on CN and Naruto Shippuden on DisneyXD? They had tons of scenes cut off back then. But now the uncut Naruto airing on Adult Swim is, well, uncut. All depends where your watching this stuff. Adult swim doesn't cut much stuff up, as where Vortex on CW is kid-based, so you have to expect things like that to be edited on those channels.

[DeathBlade/13.666]

At least you admit it, Clayton.

Anyways, either get this thread back on the topic of networks over editing shows so I can move this to General Anime, seeming that the argument stem from Japanese anime on U.S. networks and not the other way around, or I'll close this on the basis of the it being off-topic and absolutely silly.

[Clayton_n]

Nah, this doesn't belong in general anime because they only do it in America. otherwise I'd have put it there.


In any case i also mentioned Justice league. they've edited the heck out of it on Vortex, removing a lot of dramatic plot points and things. I mean I get why they started showing it with Arrow coming out and that's why they onlys howed the epsiodes with green Arrow, but sheesh.

[(_YvOnSo_)]

You should always expect anything that comes from Japan to be ruined one way or another when it reaches another country. Just got to get used to it that everything is better in Japan.

As for Vortex, like I said before, they'll always ruin something by editing the storyline, because it's based around a kid audience.

[Clayton_n]

It didn't used to be this way! Then they started editing Tenchi so that Ryoko drank "tea" and they wore bathing suits to the bath.

Then suddenly Vegeta was saying "holy Smokes".

Pegasus's hair fell across where his eye used to be and bandit keither threatened himw ith his finger...

They took out the first season of Yugioh... and as for the monsters...

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120729181629/yugioh/images/c/c0/Series045.jpg
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121124192240/yugioh/images/1/19/HarpieLady-JP-Anime-DM-NC.png

It never ends! Cork guns? Seriously?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZcaxvvod1pKGp0KEh7Hh8X8jsNMEVh waEkYu1wDWLBI65L2Rz0Q:onepiece.wikkii.net/w/images/thumb/2/29/Episode_4_4Kids_edit_2.png/400px-Episode_4_4Kids_edit_2.png
http://www.freewebs.com/onepiece-grandline-website/sd_gun1[1].jpg
http://outsiderjapan.pbworks.com/f/1202784606/Sd_helmeppo.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nAxIZCKzsAY/hqdefault.jpg
It's a sucker, I swear!

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blood



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Clothing
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And the ultimate blasphemy! Apparentlyt hey don't allow black people

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/064/0/3/blue_popo_demotivator_by_freyad_dryden-d3aznz9.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/OnePieceedit.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgwpCSqMvug

[(_YvOnSo_)]

First, never even try to watch 4kids One Piece, or you'll be highly disappointed, as it is FILLED with edits. Watch the Funimation One Piece for the full experience and uncut, or watch it on Adult Swim.

Secondly, times have changed, and parent's will/have probably sue/d the channel showing the material, so nowadays, you have to expect it all to be cut.

My advice, don't expect much from Vortex. Stick with online watching or watch it on Adult Swim, so you won't be disappointed in the end, and make threads like these.

[Clayton_n]

I know, they didn't even show how Luffy got his scar.


How can we get it fixed? I propose pointing out that it's art. Worked on the simpsons when marge wanted to ban itchy and scratchy.

And let's face it Fox gets away with anything in its cartoon, especially animation Domination. How do they do Axe cop and The Simpsons then edit this stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtgYY7dhTyE


And don't say "Prime Time" because so far they haven't even tried mvoing the shows to that time slot, even on the weekend. heck, even adult swim edits stuff. i thinkt hey actually have a "no fan service" policy. As opposed tot he "no live action" policy they should have.

[DeathBlade/13.666]

Nah, this doesn't belong in general anime because they only do it in America. otherwise I'd have put it there.


In any case i also mentioned Justice league. they've edited the heck out of it on Vortex, removing a lot of dramatic plot points and things. I mean I get why they started showing it with Arrow coming out and that's why they onlys howed the epsiodes with green Arrow, but sheesh.
Well then, maybe you should stick to complaining about the non-Japanese cartoons being changed instead of lumping all animation into it. So far you've barely touched base with things non-Japanese, and spend most of the time complaining about Japanese anime on 4Kids and CN.

[Naughty Dog]

They edited Mr Popo because characters with his face were once drawn as African American caricatures - black face, big white/pink lips. The characters are edited to remove those connections because they are offensive. It's accepted a bit more in Japan, as well - but it's not something you want to show in countries where African Americans were mocked with such designs.

And this is an anime issue. It may be dealing with its treatment in the west, but this thread is focusing on japanese animation, anime, being over-edited.

[(_YvOnSo_)]

How can we get it fixed? I propose pointing out that it's art. Worked on the simpsons when marge wanted to ban itchy and scratchy.

And let's face it Fox gets away with anything in its cartoon, especially animation Domination. How do they do Axe cop and The Simpsons then edit this stuff?

And don't say "Prime Time" because so far they haven't even tried mvoing the shows to that time slot, even on the weekend. heck, even adult swim edits stuff. i thinkt hey actually have a "no fan service" policy. As opposed tot he "no live action" policy they should have.

They show what it's rated before each of the shows, so they're allowed. And yes, Adult swim is careful on what they put on there, so it's highly unlikely that you'll see anything with too much "fan service" on there.

[Ranshiin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtgYY7dhTyE


... That was glorious.

Also, if you willingly watched the 4Kids edit of One Piece, then shame on you. Shame, shame, shame on you. I mean jeez they even changed Zoro's name because something-to-do-with-a-movie?

[Clayton_n]

Not willingly. They were just the only cartoons on at the time.


In any case they show the Simpsons at 6pm and I've seen Heavy Metal being shown at 7 o'clock in the morning sometimes.

So why can't we see unedited anime on broadcast and cable Tv?

[DeathBlade/13.666]

Because FCC.

[Clayton_n]

I know all about the FCC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfb-3uNflck

[wolfgirl90]

I know all about the FCC

Well, apparently you don't know enough, it would seem. Let's have yet another lesson on television and culture, shall we? Better get a snack....

Ya see, back in the day, anime was this underground thing, typically only found on imported tapes found in the back room of the local comic shop. But anime became much more mainstream when certain American companies realized that they could market the hell out of it. However, Americans have different cultural standards than the Japanese when it comes to children's shows, so in order for these shows to be shown on television, they have to be localized. The effects of this localization are wide-ranging and most anime fans are familiar with them. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing_of_anime_in_American_distribution) These changes range from simple title changes (from "Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea" to simply "Ponyo") to changing entire arcs and relationships, such as the lesbian relationship between Michiru Kaioh (Sailor Neptune) and Haruka Tenoh (Sailor Uranus).

However, it should be known that Japan is only more tolerant of homosexuality in fiction. In real life, however, the stigma against homosexuality is still quite strong, despite the presence of more LGBT friendly laws. Its just not as "in your face" as it is in America.

Now, the FCC has been thrown around a bit, however, in most of the cases that you have brought up, the FCC has had nothing to do with it. The FCC only has control over certain broadcasts, not all of them. Things such as satellite radio and cable television don't fall under their jurisdiction. So the edits that you see on FOX might be due to the FCC, but the cuts you see on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim/Toonami are due to their own decisions or the decisions of the distributors, not the FCC. Networks have something called Standards and Practices that dictate what should be shown and to whom. This is why Adult Swim still edits stuff (but not to the extent that FOX does).

Of course, this doesn't mean that exceptions aren't made or that certain things don't slip through the cracks. When Cartoon Network aired Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke a few years ago, they had to adhere to Studio Ghibli's "no cut" policy and show all of the bathing, violence, and blood in the movies. And modern cartoons get away with the same dirty jokes that were made in the past. Let's not forget about the famous "Shake It, Bake It, Booty Quake It" incident from Sym-Bionic Titan.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U008nGT0eww

However, as I have mentioned to you before, America is not alone in editing anime; Japan does it to. When compared to the manga, Naruto still has blood edited in the anime. And in Bleach, Harribel's breasts are NEVER exposed to that extent in the anime; only in the manga. As I have said before, even Japan has a limit to what is shown on television when it comes to something that is (technically) a kid's show.
http://images.wikia.com/bleach/en/images/f/fc/Harribelmask.jpg

[Clayton_n]

Card Captor Sakura was a terrible trajedy in American history and that horror should NEVER be forgotten.


http://sakuraember.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sakura-and-mom.png

Anyone know these two characters?

[DeathBlade/13.666]

Apparently it's already been forgotten.

[Kumagawa]

haha you mean like in yugioh, people wouldn't die. Instead, they got sent to the "shadow realm".

[Clayton_n]

They edited Mr Popo because characters with his face were once drawn as African American caricatures - black face, big white/pink lips. The characters are edited to remove those connections because they are offensive.



yeah... and by turning him blue they completely erase that impression.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w95KkVrZuno



haha you mean like in yugioh, people wouldn't die. Instead, they got sent to the "shadow realm".

isn't that what happened to yugi's parents? I heard they were playing bridge with Joey, tristan, and Tea's family and someone acfcidentally drew one of Yugi's cards and poof, all gone.

[Naughty Dog]

It doesn't change the fact of what Mr Popo used to be, but it helps to disguise that without removing the character itself or dramatically redrawing him. It might be futile and look stupid, but it's still better than having him on a child's network in the 2010's with the same undertones, because that would kick up a stink so bad Death himself would have to duck out for air.

It is not the removal of black people because they're black people, in all the cases you linked their skin color was being removed because they're potentially offensive caricatures. To me - and this may be an over-reaction - someone saying "they're removing black people from anime" by showing Mr Popo's new dye-job is rude as crap, because it's not the fact that they're supposedly of African descent, which is nothing to be ashamed of, that's being erased for the hell of it - they're attempting to remove the unfortunate implications of that caricature (which also involve servitude to King Kami as a gardener and caretaker? That's a bit suss).

Isn't Mr Popo a god anyway? He's not even of African descent, which means that changing the color of his skin isn't so much erasing a character's heritage for the fun of it (as you seemed to think by the line "Apparentlyt hey don't allow black people") as it is trying to remove the visual implication that Mr Popo is a caricature of a black slave, even if he isn't African. If there was a mainish character in DBZ who actually had darker skin which was more realistic than Mr Popo's coal-black, and a face which was drawn to the proportions of the rest of the cast, it would not have achieved the same degree of censorship as Mr Popo or that kid you linked with the lips.

...Except maybe Mr Satan - he doesn't look white in this artwork by Akira Toriyama.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120605011005/dragonball/images/thumb/b/bd/SatanKanzenban.png/180px-SatanKanzenban.png

But I don't know much about Dragonball after all - I just know your bullcrap about Mr Popo is misguided and wrong.

[Ωmega]

Mr. Popo wasnt supposed to be a racial stereotype, he was based on Noh plays where demons were usually portrayed with dark faces. Yanma-uba in particular being the basis for Jynx.

[Clayton_n]

It doesn't change the fact of what Mr Popo used to be, but it helps to disguise that without removing the character itself or dramatically redrawing him. It might be futile and look stupid, but it's still better than having him on a child's network in the 2010's with the same undertones, because that would kick up a stink so bad Death himself would have to duck out for air.

It is not the removal of black people because they're black people, in all the cases you linked their skin color was being removed because they're potentially offensive caricatures. To me - and this may be an over-reaction - someone saying "they're removing black people from anime" by showing Mr Popo's new dye-job is rude as crap, because it's not the fact that they're supposedly of African descent, which is nothing to be ashamed of, that's being erased for the hell of it - they're attempting to remove the unfortunate implications of that caricature (which also involve servitude to King Kami as a gardener and caretaker? That's a bit suss).

Isn't Mr Popo a god anyway? He's not even of African descent, which means that changing the color of his skin isn't so much erasing a character's heritage for the fun of it (as you seemed to think by the line "Apparentlyt hey don't allow black people") as it is trying to remove the visual implication that Mr Popo is a caricature of a black slave, even if he isn't African. If there was a mainish character in DBZ who actually had darker skin which was more realistic than Mr Popo's coal-black, and a face which was drawn to the proportions of the rest of the cast, it would not have achieved the same degree of censorship as Mr Popo or that kid you linked with the lips.

...Except maybe Mr Satan - he doesn't look white in this artwork by Akira Toriyama.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120605011005/dragonball/images/thumb/b/bd/SatanKanzenban.png/180px-SatanKanzenban.png

But I don't know much about Dragonball after all - I just know your bullcrap about Mr Popo is misguided and wrong.

Don't you mean "Hercule"?

Yes, the guys in charge of editing the show need to go straigh to HFIL. I mean Z Kai edits out Goku's halo for gods' sakes! Not to mention you know pretty much all but 24% of the episodes. It took Goku like two episodes to get to King Kai's place.

[wolfgirl90]

Don't you mean "Hercule"?

Well, Hercule is his American name. In Japan, he is called Mr. Satan. In standard American localization practice, Judeo-Christian references are edited out, which includes names. However, in the Viz versions of the DBZ manga (including Shonen Jump), while he is still called Hercule, they at least acknowledge that Mr. Satan is his real name.


Yes, the guys in charge of editing the show need to go straigh to HFIL. I mean Z Kai edits out Goku's halo for gods' sakes! Not to mention you know pretty much all but 24% of the episodes. It took Goku like two episodes to get to King Kai's place.

Er...you are right and wrong. Yes, in Dragonball Z Kai, Goku's halo is edited out (along with every other character in the Other World), however, this is only in the 4Kids version, which you really shouldn't be watching anyway. In the Funimation version, even the one that was shown on Nickelodeon, Goku's halo is kept in.

Also, it took Goku two episodes to reach King Kai because, well, that's how the episodes are arranged. He starts the run in episode 4 and ends it in episode 6. Even unedited, it still takes two episodes, so I don't know what you are talking about. Remember, DBZ Kai is essentially an abridged version of DBZ. Stuff like Goku falling to Hell and the whole Princess Snake thing were taken out.

[Naughty Dog]

Note: I know almost nothing about DBZ. I am just exercising basic common sense.

I have heard the Noh explanation before, and while they may be separate from blackface they still invoke that basic feeling in the west. That is why they are edited. It may not be done with the intention to harm, but due to the heritage of most of the modern West - white people oppressing and mocking black people with caricatures - Mr Popo's look can be taken as offensive and is edited. It's not necessarily fair, but that's how things are.

And is it just me or have we drifted into japanese animation again? You panicked when the prospect of moving the thread was announced and posted the Del Toro Simpsons opening, but we've drifted back into japanese animation being over-edited in the west. This is a western issue, but it is still japanese animation.

I personally have a beef with Australia editing The Simpsons after years of uncensored viewings. The episode where Bart and Homer become con artists and Willy gets arrested as part of a counter-scheme against them has been edited here to remove the scene where Seymour Skinner is supposedly shot. But they just take out the scene of him being shot - you still see him in the background after the shooting with blood around him, and they keep the scene where he explains how it looked like he was shot. It's ridiculous. Take out the whole thing, or leave it all in.

[Clayton_n]

The 4kids version is like a train wreck. You know you shouldn't watch, you know it'll scar you for life, you know it may make you vomit... but you can't help wondering how bad the carnage is.


I also found out they do stop shows liek Family Guy from airng certain episodes. Like the one where Lois had an abortion.