NSA spying!

[Animedude5555]

What do you think about the NSA spying programs recently revealed? Are they necessary to protect us from terrorists? Or are they just one more overreach by big government?

Also what do you think of Snowden for revealing these programs? Is he a hero, or a traitor?

[Ayu 「あゆ」]

Kinect.

[aether]

To be honest if you have nothing to hide then I don't see a problem because when we go outside we are in the public eye, the internet is the same thing in a way except its in the virtual world and not the physical.

[Meenah]

I value my privacy, but then again I don't exactly care because I have nothing to hide.

[Animedude5555]

I dislike it on principle, and hope that someone FORCES the NSA to stop this crap.

[Jozette]

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[Kaleohano]

http://www.momspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/grumpy-cat-meme11.jpg

[TadashiED]

Well, it's not like I like being spied on...good thing I have nothing to hide.

[Hanamaru Kunikida]

We needed some form of troll.

I guess you'll do....although you are more of a hand me down.

[nslay]

Well, it's not like I like being spied on...good thing I have nothing to hide.

I disagree, there's always something to hide. People are naturally judgmental. The opportunities you have in life will likely be granted and/or decided by your peers. Your personal preferences, religious affiliation, political affiliation, opinions, sexual orientation, personal life, etc ... can all play a role in such critical matters.

The most common example are job opportunities. For example, if you just so happen to publicly disclose your political affiliation, and your hiring manager opposes your political ideology, you may be turned down (obviously for other reasons).

That's why you should always protect your privacy. Your peers are judging you whether you like it or not.

[RainyDayMan]

I disagree, there's always something to hide. People are naturally judgmental. The opportunities you have in life will likely be granted and/or decided by your peers. Your personal preferences, religious affiliation, political affiliation, opinions, sexual orientation, personal life, etc ... can all play a role in such critical matters.

The most common example are job opportunities. For example, if you just so happen to publicly disclose your political affiliation, and your hiring manager opposes your political ideology, you may be turned down (obviously for other reasons).

That's why you should always protect your privacy. Your peers are judging you whether you like it or not.

You got that right. You hit that Nail right on the Head. I have plenty to hide, but I want to protect my Neighbours too. I do not want their Privacy violated. EVERYONE has SOMETHING to hide. No one is totally Guilt-free. In the Government's Eyes, the People are the Enemy according to Osama ... I mean Obama ... oh, wait; which is which again? I cannot tell anymore.

[.:neuko:.]

What do you think about the NSA spying programs recently revealed? Are they necessary to protect us from terrorists? Or are they just one more overreach by big government?

Also what do you think of Snowden for revealing these programs? Is he a hero, or a traitor?

I made a similar thread like this a while back and practically gave my opinion of NSA and Snowden from there, so I'll just give you the link to that from here (http://www.animeforum.com/showthread.php?116037-Edward-Snowden-the-whistleblower-behind-the-NSA-surveillance-revelations&p=2768047&viewfull=1#post2768047).

Aside from that, good luck with your thread--I hope it gains more momentum than mine did.

[zilverkakashi]

either way, espionage is cool...

[AmandaNerdBot]

I disagree with you guys. Privacy is important. The government doesn't have any right to infringe upon my privacy whenever they like. The NSA spying programs is clearly unconstitutional, and should be dismantled.

[RainyDayMan]

Why does President Obama Hussein have his College Records, Selective Service Records, and his Records of Education and Travel before public Office sealed? What is he hiding? The N.S.A. should be spying on him.

Congratulations to Snowden. I hope he finds HIS Privacy.

[Eris]

To be honest if you have nothing to hide then I don't see a problem because when we go outside we are in the public eye, the internet is the same thing in a way except its in the virtual world and not the physical.

The problem with mass surveillance is that people inevitably start censoring themselves, for fear that their perfectly legal opinions will be used against them at some point in the future. A culture of self-censorship is extremely detrimental to democracy.

I'm not just pulling this out of where the sun doesn't shine; this cultural shift has been observed pretty much happened everywhere large scale surveillance has been implemented, including the DDR, and China.

[aether]

Eris
Fair enough, makes sense I suppose but it might help find people who groom children online and get them arrested before anything serious happens.

RainyDayMan
Why does he have to show them in the first place?
Why do so many Americans seem to think Obama has something to hide? I don't get it

[DOOM!]

Eris
Fair enough, makes sense I suppose but it might help find people who groom children online and get them arrested before anything serious happens.

RainyDayMan
Why does he have to show them in the first place?
Why do so many Americans seem to think Obama has something to hide? I don't get it

You haven't not been around for the past 12 years, have you? If you like Obama so much, why don't you take him, Bush and the NSA and marry them!?!

[aether]

You haven't not been around for the past 12 years, have you? If you like Obama so much, why don't you take him, Bush and the NSA and marry them!?!

In all fairness Bush didn't really help the US on the international stage and at least Obama has tried to bring in universal free healthcare for everyone which helps to close the gap between the wealthy and the poor within society. Also the universal healthcare won't put people into so called 'death doctors' as I have often heard of when people have been interviewed on tv. Overall I think Obama has focused has realised that America isn't what it used to be and is started to change it so that it can survive within the modern world.

[Wio]

Until I'm allowed to spank my monkey in public without getting arrested, I have something to hide.

[Ωmega]

You got that right. You hit that Nail right on the Head. I have plenty to hide, but I want to protect my Neighbours too. I do not want their Privacy violated. EVERYONE has SOMETHING to hide. No one is totally Guilt-free. In the Government's Eyes, the People are the Enemy according to Osama ... I mean Obama ... oh, wait; which is which again? I cannot tell anymore.

You realize Obama didnt create the NSA, right? That its been around since the 50s and was established under Truman?? Of course you do.

[RainyDayMan]

Universal Health Coverage? It makes the rich poor and the poor poorer. My medical Costs have gone up, no one is taking Medicaid anymore, and the Anesthesiologists keep harassing me because my Colonoscopies and Esophagogastroduodenoscopies are no longer covered. And I wish someone would explain to me why my Pharmaceuticals are all more expensive. I cannot even find Specialists like a Rheumatologist for my Gout and Arthritis that accepts Medicare which is being raped by the Government who keep taking Money out of it to fund Obamacare. Since he took over, I have been in trouble financially with my medical Costs.

Being on Medicare and Medicaid sucks. Fewer and fewer Specialists are taking it, and big Corporations would rather pay the cheaper Fine of not giving medical Coverage to their Employees than actually giving them medical Coverage which is more expensive. Under Obamacare, the Law makes it easier for Employers to pay Fines than medically covering their Employees. Now they are forcing Workers and Labourers into permanent part-time Jobs to opt out of giving them medical Coverage. It happened at a Plastics Plant I worked at where my Hours were cut permanently and medical Coverage was cut before I was determined permanently disabled.

Everyone is getting the Shaft, even Government Workers who are facing Furloughs without a Choice. One of my Friends lost her Job with the Department of Defence that Way. She just recently got a different Job in Virginia a few Weeks ago and had to move.

It is a sad State of Affairs. As for Bush being bad for foreign Relations, he might have been a Dummy from liberal Harvard/rich Boy, but he stood up to the Terrorists and let the Globe know we were going to defend ourselves from Terrorism and Nation-States that sponsored Terrorism. Obama Hussein is backing a leftist Group of anti-Government Radicals in the Syrian Arab Republic with Ties to anti-Semitic and anti-American Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in their civil War against the Bashar Assad Government *of* the Syrian Arab Republic .... and it is not a Republic; they just call it one.

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Who created the N.S.A. is irrelevant. What they are doing under the current Administration is what we are talking about. Why should we live in Fear every Day of our Lives worried about every Communiqué we make to anyone?

[Ωmega]

Universal Health Coverage? It makes the rich poor and the poor poorer. My medical Costs have gone up, no one is taking Medicaid anymore, and the Anesthesiologists keep harassing me because my Colonoscopies and Esophagogastroduodenoscopies are no longer covered. And I wish someone would explain to me why my Pharmaceuticals are all more expensive. I cannot even find Specialists like a Rheumatologist for my Gout and Arthritis that accepts Medicare which is being raped by the Government who keep taking Money out of it to fund Obamacare. Since he took over, I have been in trouble financially with my medical Costs.

Being on Medicare and Medicaid sucks. Fewer and fewer Specialists are taking it, and big Corporations would rather pay the cheaper Fine of not giving medical Coverage to their Employees than actually giving them medical Coverage which is more expensive. Under Obamacare, the Law makes it easier for Employers to pay Fines than medically covering their Employees. Now they are forcing Workers and Labourers into permanent part-time Jobs to opt out of giving them medical Coverage. It happened at a Plastics Plant I worked at where my Hours were cut permanently and medical Coverage was cut before I was determined permanently disabled.

Everyone is getting the Shaft, even Government Workers who are facing Furloughs without a Choice. One of my Friends lost her Job with the Department of Defence that Way. She just recently got a different Job in Virginia a few Weeks ago and had to move.

It is a sad State of Affairs. As for Bush being bad for foreign Relations, he might have been a Dummy from liberal Harvard/rich Boy, but he stood up to the Terrorists and let the Globe know we were going to defend ourselves from Terrorism and Nation-States that sponsored Terrorism. Obama Hussein is backing a leftist Group of anti-Government Radicals in the Syrian Arab Republic with Ties to anti-Semitic and anti-American Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in their civil War against the Bashar Assad Government *of* the Syrian Arab Republic .... and it is not a Republic; they just call it one.

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Who created the N.S.A. is irrelevant. What they are doing under the current Administration is what we are talking about. Why should we live in Fear every Day of our Lives worried about every Communiqué we make to anyone?

This whole rant has *nothing* to do about the NSA. And nothing has changed with the NSA. Theyve been tapping our phones even during Bush and Clinton, and Im sure before that.

You obviously have a gripe with Obama, which OBVIOUSLY give everything you say a huge prejudice. Just because you didnt know it was happening before Obama didnt mean it wasnt happening.

[RainyDayMan]

I was replying to someone else's irrelevant Post about Health Care.

As for the N.S.A., I have seen Google Earth YEARS ago. I typed in my Address, and saw an Image of my two Cars in the back of my House. The N.S.A. spies on Americans as well as foreign Nation-States. They have Access to U.S. Government Satellites. They now have Access to our Telephone Records, Internet Communications, and possibly more. As for Prejudice, I voted for Ralph Nader twice and then Governor Gary Johnson for President. I did not see much of a Difference between McCain and Obama Hussein save McCain was a War Hero and an American, so I voted Libertarian. Obama Hussein is just another Bush. East Coast-Ivy League educated Idiots with not much Care for human Life.

With the Patriot Act, that sealed our Fate. It allowed the N.S.A. to go against the American People this way with wire-tapping, obtaining our personal Records, and interfering with out public Communications. Bush and Obama Hussein are both corporate Socialists who represent big Government. The N.S.A. has a Purpose, but not in my Business or yours.

[Ωmega]

I was replying to someone else's irrelevant Post about Health Care.

As for the N.S.A., I have seen Google Earth YEARS ago. I typed in my Address, and saw an Image of my two Cars in the back of my House. The N.S.A. spies on Americans as well as foreign Nation-States. They have Access to U.S. Government Satellites. They now have Access to our Telephone Records, Internet Communications, and possibly more. As for Prejudice, I voted for Ralph Nader twice and then Governor Gary Johnson for President. I did not see much of a Difference between McCain and Obama Hussein save McCain was a War Hero and an American, so I voted Libertarian. Obama Hussein is just another Bush. East Coast-Ivy League educated Idiots with not much Care for human Life.

With the Patriot Act, that sealed our Fate. It allowed the N.S.A. to go against the American People this way with wire-tapping, obtaining our personal Records, and interfering with out public Communications. Bush and Obama Hussein are both corporate Socialists who represent big Government. The N.S.A. has a Purpose, but not in my Business or yours.

Of course I agree the president is just a figure head for big oil

But the NSA has been in place for years, what can we do about it? Yes, its an invasion of privacy but they have managed to find a few gems here and there. Do I think its right? Not at all.

Hell, at least we arent in North Korea or China where our government cuts us off from the world and feeds us outrageous lies about being born on a mountain with unicorns and crap.
It could always be worse.

[RainyDayMan]

The Russian Federation, the Republic of Cuba, the United Mexican States, the People's Republic of China, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, and the Socialist Republic of the Union of Myanmar all seem to have Governments that exhibit some Form of Fascism that drives their People crazy. It could be a LOT worse. But it all started in 1860 in November.

[Vintniv]

I really do hope people sort of band together to fight this on some level. Even if you claim you have 'nothing to hide' and do nothing, you are reinforcing the fact that people in the government have the right to watch you in the comfort of your own home. The last thing I want is for something like this to become normal, because then it will be impossible to real back when they start doing more stuff and telling you what you can and cannot do within the confines of your own home, if spying wasnt bad enough.

On the level of Snowden himself, I can understand keeping secret as a priority. Spying on China and North Korea, fine, they're essentially wild cards on the world playing field. But the NSA wasnt only spying on them, they were spying on everybody they could possibly find. I mean, if a friend of mine cheated on their other and told me about it, I would keep it a secret between us. A mistake any person could make; been there, done that. But if they do it a lot, or with multiple people, then I cant possibly keep a secret like that.

[Wio]

I really do hope people sort of band together to fight this on some level. Even if you claim you have 'nothing to hide' and do nothing, you are reinforcing the fact that people in the government have the right to watch you in the comfort of your own home. The last thing I want is for something like this to become normal, because then it will be impossible to real back when they start doing more stuff and telling you what you can and cannot do within the confines of your own home, if spying wasnt bad enough.

On the level of Snowden himself, I can understand keeping secret as a priority. Spying on China and North Korea, fine, they're essentially wild cards on the world playing field. But the NSA wasnt only spying on them, they were spying on everybody they could possibly find. I mean, if a friend of mine cheated on their other and told me about it, I would keep it a secret between us. A mistake any person could make; been there, done that. But if they do it a lot, or with multiple people, then I cant possibly keep a secret like that.

I'm calling BS on this. I never cheated on anyone. Where is my cookie?

[RainyDayMan]

Oh, I hope Snowden finds Asylum somewhere. He did the right thing.

[Vintniv]

I'm calling BS on this. I never cheated on anyone. Where is my cookie?

Freedom from guilt.

[Wio]

Freedom from guilt.

Obama should give me a tax credit.

Or he should buy me a fleshlight or something. Are those things disposable?

[Vintniv]

Obama should give me a tax credit.

Or he should buy me a fleshlight or something. Are those things disposable?

Perhaps hastag NSAfleshlight Tax? Might be an appealing movement to get into.

[Wio]

Well this is more about my fidelity rather than the NSA.

Anyway, Obama has to personally sign the thing. I will accept nothing less. I want to be able to figuratively give him the d every 1-2 days. The media is always dick-riding Obama, it's about time I show my support in my own way.

[RainyDayMan]

Fleshlight? Is that a Flashlight for looking at People under the Covers?

[.:neuko:.]

The thing I personally (yes, personally) hate about the NSA is that it seems to have a rather warped and potentially dangerous ideology of "national security"--this notion that every person (foreign or local) should be treated as some potential terrorist before being granted any right to defend themself. Imo, it's only natural for a country that persistently goes to war with other countries, and on the whim of mere suspicion of terrorist attacks (if not nuclear weapons) is going to get paranoid to the point of attempting to police the world in order to secure hypothetical overseas issues that it potentially bought upon itself. This practice is basically the same as saying, "Because I'm a douche, I'm going to judge others by my own standards and presume that everyone's a douche"--the sort of mentality I would liken to a thief being ever fearful of revenge attacks from their victims after committing a serious crime.

Not that I'm condoning any would-be terrorist's actions here, but in the end, terrorism is little more than another means to oppress a country--and there are many ways in which countries can be/are being/have been oppressed; be it through terrorism, the morally objectionable yet legalised one-way free trade system, corporate threats to governmental tax increases, and effectively-rigged elections, the results are the same: populations who are being forced to lead sub-human and undignified lives due to the consequences of ill regimes and campaigns for which they never voted in the first place.

And if it gets to the point where people are actively censoring themselves (like Eris said), and for that matter, stifling real debate for fear of being accused of inciting terrorism, then what's the point of national security? Because as we get ever closer to the point where we rather exist as mindless plants than live as sentient beings, I start to wonder from a point of humanity what is left of us to "secure" anymore. Think Wall-E or I Robot, and that would be more closer to the future we are virtually asking for by supporting the very concepts of the NSA, a patronising and restrictive future in which we are told what to think rather than to think for ourselves.

That the NSA's mentality of terrorism needs an overhaul is an understatement; for it seems more obsessed with the methods of terrorism than the intended effect: irrational fear to the point that people feel too restricted to advance themselves. It shouldn't be about merely protecting a country from potential threats of mass destruction (which would be virtually any principal country), but rather, it should be about allowing a nation to peacefully live in their country without the fear of "God" being put into them such that they cannot naturally go about their lives. After all, the true motive of a terrorist (or indeed terrorist group) is not necessarily to simply kill innocent civilians (which is a means and not a cause), but rather to make a nation afraid such that it is forced to conform to the same views as that terrorist. Whether this is achieved through threatening (and often badly edited) videos, crude weapons, or a government's own negative response to terrorism through mass surveillance schemes, the terrorist wins either way.

And no offense, but this, "I've got nothing to hide, so why should it matter" and the clichéd, "Things are much worse in other countries" crap--that's just the kind of sentiment that encourages the likes of the NSA to "justify" its actions, and that's before addressing the very real concern that "spying" is effectively already practiced through search engines such as Google, ISP's, cookies and even store credit cards. Nothing to hide, huh? Would that also apply to your physical mail, genitals, and house contents? The very things we hide from strangers for very sane reasons by the way. And why does the state of having nothing to hide, therefore nothing to be guilty of automatically validate an authority to see into one's personal life? Did it ever occur to you that hiding isn't always done out of guilt? What ever happened to one hiding stuff for the sake of dignity?

Yeah, so what if it's just the NSA that can potentially "see" my "stuff". I don't know what they have exactly earned to make me personally feel that they can be trusted, especially in light of the more recent reports that the same organisation has being spying on its allies as well as its "enemies", by which I'm essentially referring to my home continent: Europe.

What gives the NSA the right to puts itself above common law and human rights and decide that we should regard them as virtuous angels as they rifle through our "stuff" in the background? Because if I woke one morning to find that my (very-secure) account had been hacked, you damned right I'd sooner suspect the likes of the NSA doing it than some organised criminal gang.

As far as I'm concerned, this attempt to "police the Internet" is absolutely not necessary; or rather if otherwise, the inevitable result of what could only occur due to a prior calculated governmental risk, which the NSA effectively supported and thus brought upon itself. It effectively supported bills that would ultimately result in unjustified wars that were going to eventually incur the wrath of entire nations--yet it is the citizens of their own country who are paying the price.

[RainyDayMan]

Neuko sure brings things into perspective.

[Kumagawa]

I hope they didn't notice the terrabytes of loli hentai I downloaded

[RainyDayMan]

I hope they didn't notice the terrabytes of loli hentai I downloaded

*brings out the Yaoi Wand,* Get ready for some Guy-on-Guy Action! Making fun of Gays is now a social Crime, so give up on Loli Hentai and get in on some Yaoi! X'D *l.m.a.o.!*

[Kaleohano]

*brings out the Yaoi Wand,* Get ready for some Guy-on-Guy Action! Making fun of Gays is now a social Crime, so give up on Loli Hentai and get in on some Yaoi! X'D *l.m.a.o.!*

question,
has anyone ever told you that you're quite the prejudiced douche?

[RainyDayMan]

I am prejudiced against Hate Groups. ~_^

[Kumagawa]

question,
has anyone ever told you that you're quite the prejudiced douche?

Dude's got a hitler mustache and alabama flags on his wall, what'd you expect. Really I think he's just an elaborate troll.

[Kaleohano]

I am prejudiced against Hate Groups. ~_^

sounds more like you have something against homosexuals.

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Dude's got a hitler mustache and alabama flags on his wall, what'd you expect. Really I think he's just an elaborate troll.

Well he's a pretty bad one. The things he says dont really incite anger, they just make you tilt your head and say "meh, the dudes kind of a douche." real trolling should bring out rage in people.

[RainyDayMan]

Dude's got a hitler mustache and alabama flags on his wall, what'd you expect. Really I think he's just an elaborate troll.

Chaplin had the Moustache first. Seems like you are stereotyping, and that is a Form of Prejudice. And it seems you are prejudiced against Alabama. That is the Pot calling the Kettle black. You hating on the Jews is an Example of trolling, so do not be a Hypocrite.

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sounds more like you have something against homosexuals.

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Well he's a pretty bad one. The things he says dont really incite anger, they just make you tilt your head and say "meh, the dudes kind of a douche." real trolling should bring out rage in people.

It is pretty damn hard for me to be the Troll hating on Homosexuals, when you are hating on Jefferson Davis, and he is hating on my facial Hair and Alabama. That is called Hypocrisy. It means you two are Trolls too. Besides, why is it okay to hate on Alabama, me, the Jews, and my facial Hair and it is not okay to hate on Gays?

Besides, how can I hate on Homosexuals when I am bisexual myself. That Yaoi Comment was a Joke. I even included a winking Emoticon Face to SHOW everyone I was making a Joke about Yaoi. Are you saying it is wrong to like Yaoi? That is a form of Prejudice too. I am not doing anything that you two are not doing, and I am not being a Hypocrite.

[Wio]

RainyDayMan is not a douche at all. He's just being an honest guy who isn't into politically correct nonsense. He's not afraid to let the protected groups be the butt of jokes just like everyone else is. In my opinion this alone redeems him of all the awkward jokes he makes.

[Albear]

I can see the final draft the NSA will have about me...
Al---- -------
Age: --

Investigation notes: Straight up weirdo. Likes anime and videogames.
Comments: "I can't be a terrorist because I don't have powers, and I like to be a protagonist"

[Kaleohano]

It is pretty damn hard for me to be the Troll hating on Homosexuals, when you are hating on Jefferson Davis, and he is hating on my facial Hair and Alabama. That is called Hypocrisy. It means you two are Trolls too. Besides, why is it okay to hate on Alabama, me, the Jews, and my facial Hair and it is not okay to hate on Gays?

1. I'm not hating on Jeffy, i'm just stating a fact about him. He's in the past and i honestly wouldn't care about him any more or less even if he was not racist.
2. When did I (kaleohano) say anything about alabama, your mustache, or the jews?

as far as this convo goes, i'm dont with it. Thread is way off topic, meaning my work here is done. http://www.atlava.com/forum/images/icons/troll_face_dancing.gif

If you really want to continue discussing it, let me know and we'll chill downtown at Pantheon or something and discuss the matter further.

[RainyDayMan]

1. I'm not hating on Jeffy, i'm just stating a fact about him. He's in the past and i honestly wouldn't care about him any more or less even if he was not racist.
2. When did I (kaleohano) say anything about alabama, your mustache, or the jews?

as far as this convo goes, i'm dont with it. Thread is way off topic, meaning my work here is done. http://www.atlava.com/forum/images/icons/troll_face_dancing.gif

If you really want to continue discussing it, let me know and we'll chill downtown at Pantheon or something and discuss the matter further.

You are not doing your Side any Justice by refusing to offer any real Proof to back it up. I am sick of beating a dead Horse when I went to an accredited set of Universities in the Sw.A.C., A.C.C., and S.E.C. Troy-Montgomery had no athletic Department, but it is accredited. My Urban Geography Professor says you cannot detriment the Culture of a past Society and a past Culture and a past Century with today's Standards, and when she graduate High School in the U.M.S., she went to Auburn and L.S.U. until she got her doctorate Degree. I trust her over you. College Professors from major Universities are not infallible, but their Opinion means more to me than yours. Especially when it is she who gave me the A.

I was invited to Pantheon, but like Hell if I will go ... you might beat me up.

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RainyDayMan is not a douche at all. He's just being an honest guy who isn't into politically correct nonsense. He's not afraid to let the protected groups be the butt of jokes just like everyone else is. In my opinion this alone redeems him of all the awkward jokes he makes.

They already are hating on Jews. Next thing is that they will hate on Mormons and the L.D.S. too just because of me. Thanks, Mate.

[Wio]

They already are hating on Jews. Next thing is that they will hate on Mormons and the L.D.S. too just because of me. Thanks, Mate.
I don't think they really give a damn about Jews or L.D.S. I'd say their attitude is one of apathy rather than hate concerning those organizations.

[Kaleohano]

You are not doing your Side any Justice by refusing to offer any real Proof to back it up. I am sick of beating a dead Horse when I went to an accredited set of Universities in the Sw.A.C., A.C.C., and S.E.C. Troy-Montgomery had no athletic Department, but it is accredited. My Urban Geography Professor says you cannot detriment the Culture of a past Society and a past Culture and a past Century with today's Standards, and when she graduate High School in the U.M.S., she went to Auburn and L.S.U. until she got her doctorate Degree. I trust her over you. College Professors from major Universities are not infallible, but their Opinion means more to me than yours. Especially when it is she who gave me the A.

Racism by definition is the hatred of a people based solely on the color of their skin. Jeffy is by textbook definition a racist. The only dead horse being beaten here, is you. I'm a Naval Nuclear Engineer. Attended the most prestigious academic school in the military. So i don't see the purpose of bringing out credentials. You're trying to argue facts (the definition of the word "racist") with opinions based off of a social standard of a society that no longer exists.

like i said, your Location says you're in Charleston, SC. I am too. i'll PM you my number, and then we can meet up and discuss the matter further in person. Unless of course you're too scared to meet me face to face. Not that i'd blame you, most trolls are too scared to say these things in person.

[RainyDayMan]

That is today's Definition of the Word racist.

Did it exist in the American Dictionary of English in 1860? Jefferson Davis did not hate Blacks. Lincoln did.

[Animedude5555]

This topic no longer has anything to do with the NSA. Why don't we get back on topic?

[dragoninja]

there are no private converations on earth. there havent been for awhile now. if you live on the grid you are monitored constantly. no joke

[Rylingo]

If the NSA had nothing to hide then why didn't they tell us about the spying? See how I turned that right around?!

No it's bulshit. They were spying on the european government during trade agreements obviously preparing to undercut us. It's international espionage and some of your agents should be arrested.

Here's what the Irish parliament thinks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsrIiHWp6M

At the end of the day, if you say you have nothing to hide, then get naked. Right now. Oh what? You like some privacy? I thought so.

[RainyDayMan]

If the NSA had nothing to hide then why didn't they tell us about the spying? See how I turned that right around?!

No it's bulshit. They were spying on the european government during trade agreements obviously preparing to undercut us. It's international espionage and some of your agents should be arrested.

Here's what the Irish parliament thinks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsrIiHWp6M

At the end of the day, if you say you have nothing to hide, then get naked. Right now. Oh what? You like some privacy? I thought so.

*gets naked,* Good thing I have this Bumbershoot! Whoo-hoo!

[dragoninja]

iv also herd how the u.s. wants 30,000 new unmaned drones for our skyes... prety serious stuff

[RainyDayMan]

1984 was too soon. George Orwell should have been writing about the Obama Administration. Remember John Hurt in "1984?" He was young then! Now he is an old Fart and thinking to himself ... "Democrats, Republicans, if only everyone had voted for Nader ..."

[DOOM!]

In all fairness Bush didn't really help the US on the international stage and at least Obama has tried to bring in universal free healthcare for everyone which helps to close the gap between the wealthy and the poor within society. Also the universal healthcare won't put people into so called 'death doctors' as I have often heard of when people have been interviewed on tv. Overall I think Obama has focused has realised that America isn't what it used to be and is started to change it so that it can survive within the modern world.
He's just taking written sheets from demofags, sends them to his Masters for approval and makes a huge campaign about how he wants to aprove them.

[aether]

He's just taking written sheets from demofags, sends them to his Masters for approval and makes a huge campaign about how he wants to aprove them.

But politics is all about having yes men and the like. The only real effective form of government is when the elected government assumes 100% control

[Anoleis]

The only real effective form of government is when the elected government assumes 100% control
By "effective" you mean totalitarian crap shoot, right?

[aether]

By "effective" you mean totalitarian crap shoot, right?

Something like that