The old Argument: What defines what anime is?

[Clayton_n]

How do you decide what anime is or isn't? Can it be made in america or Korea or France or Canada? Can it be live action?


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http://images.wikia.com/megasxlr/images/e/ea/Megas-XLR-para-imprimir-3.jpg

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[Ayu 「あゆ」]

Anime = Japanese animation

[Anime Forum]

Anime = Animation written by Japanese writers.

[Albear]

Anime is pretty much short of animation.. only Japanese animators adapted the word (animation) and changed it to Anime. Anything made outside of Japan that resembles anime or looks exactly like anime.. still isn't anime. I would call it high quality cartoons or animation instead.

[Anime Forum]

Wait? Do I see live action o_o.. as an option? Wuuuuuuut.

[Ωmega]

Written, directed and produced by the Japanese. Default language is Japanese [or, in some cases, a made up language]
Voice actors are Japanese [this does NOT include Dubbing for international release]

[Grey Fullbuster]

Of course not anime is japanese cartoons made for people of all ages

[Clayton_n]

I think it's more about style, not where it's made. That's a bit racist. There are too many line crossings like America like Empowered (whose creator also worked on Dirty Pair), Ninja Highschool (whose creator was Japanese but living in California), Avatar, X-men and the other Marvel animes, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Megas XLR, Transformers, Jem, Mortal Kombat (Animated series), Street Fighter, Howl's Moving Castle and Ponyo (both based on non Japanese writers), Highlander: Search For Vengance, Hellboy (animated movies), Teen Titans, Wreck it Ralf, Kingdom hearts, Astro Boy (movie), Megatokyo, Oban Star Racers (largely agreed to be an anime but made in France), Godzilla (animated series... there were a couple), Megas XLR, Voltron,Thuindercats, he-man, Denver the Last Dinosaur, My Little Pony, Gargoyles, Lady Death, CSI: Manga, Star Wars, Star Trek, Witchblade, Sherryl Kenyon's Dark Hunter's manga, GI Joe, The Vampire's assistant, Dark Fury (Riddick), Beast Wars, Return To Labyrinth, Courtney Crumrin, Sinfest, Marvel Mangaverse, Extreme Ghost Busters, Miyuki-chan in Wonderland, and so much more.

http://www.figures.com/databases/news/actionfigures/218/36.jpg


So I go by the style, rather than the origin. Heck, I wrote a whole book in it. http://www.amazon.com/How-To-Be-Anime-Character/dp/1441451803/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371502269&sr=8-1&keywords=How+to+be+an+anime+character

I mean come on, there are things out there that if you didn't know they were from America or someplace else you'd already be calling them anime. I can't find one reason why origin makes something anime or not. I mean people let Korean manga slide no questions asked. Look at that list up there and find me a reason why some of that's anime and the rest isn't besides where it was made.




Wait? Do I see live action o_o.. as an option? Wuuuuuuut.
Yes. Yes you do.
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad250/baasaysthelamb/gifs%20and%20reaction%20imgs/tumblr_l49w8voeia1qav6f6.gif

Examples include GI Joe, The Chronicles of Riddick, Mortal Kombat, DOA, Street Fighter, Deathnote, Sailor Moon, Last Airbender movie, Speed Racer, Lady Gaga, Power Rangers, Godzilla, Matrix, Kung Fu Hustle, Blood: The Last Vampire, Scott Pilgrim, Bloody Mallory, Dragonball. Dragon Wars, Kill Bill, The Guyver, The Man with the Iron Fist, Hero, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Austin Powers 3, and many more.
http://www.amctheatres.com/Media/Default/images/GI-Joe-Moved2.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnFHAuIffN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpkKxZYtoo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTGOMWu6zAU

[Ωmega]

Its not racist at all. Yes, people copy styles all the time, but it doesnt mean anything. While cartoons can be see as a form of art, they do not follow the rules of art.

For example- many people will get highly offended if you call manhwa an anime or manga, because its Korean but is basically the same art style.

Even Wikipedia classifies anime as "Japanese animation" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime]

You can go classifying American cartoons like MLP "anime" all you want, but they -arent- anime. Plain and simple.

[Clayton_n]

Because WIkipedia definitions are always correct and complete?

You have yet to say WHY they aren't. I mean I'm seeing a bunch of teenagers with rainbow hair, magical powers, big eyes, small mouths, occassional boy trouble, often depicted in yuri fan fics... and now there's a Japanese Manga. Also the Original MLP was made in Japan. Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland was originally a 100 year old newspaper comic and Howl's Moving Castle is a British book.


like I asked before ASIDE FROM WHERE IT WAS MADE what is the difference?

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Here's a simple way to solve this argument. Go up to a person who speaks Japanese. Show them "My Little Pony" or the "Simpsons" and ask them what this is and have them answer in their native language. What word would they use?

[Anime Forum]

Because WIkipedia definitions are always correct and complete?

You have yet to say WHY they aren't. I mean I'm seeing a bunch of teenagers with rainbow hair, magical powers, big eyes, small mouths, occassional boy trouble, often depicted in yuri fan fics... and now there's a Japanese Manga. Also the Original MLP was made in Japan. Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland was originally a 100 year old newspaper comic and Howl's Moving Castle is a British book.


like I asked before ASIDE FROM WHERE IT WAS MADE what is the difference?

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Here's a simple way to solve this argument. Go up to a person who speaks Japanese. Show them "My Little Pony" or the "Simpsons" and ask them what this is and have them answer in their native language. What word would they use?

Are you trolling or are you actually just this dumb?

[Ωmega]

Because WIkipedia definitions are always correct and complete?

You have yet to say WHY they aren't. I mean I'm seeing a bunch of teenagers with rainbow hair, magical powers, big eyes, small mouths, occassional boy trouble, often depicted in yuri fan fics... and now there's a Japanese Manga. Also the Original MLP was made in Japan. Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland was originally a 100 year old newspaper comic and Howl's Moving Castle is a British book.


like I asked before ASIDE FROM WHERE IT WAS MADE what is the difference?



Here's a simple way to solve this argument. Go up to a person who speaks Japanese. Show them "My Little Pony" or the "Simpsons" and ask them what this is and have them answer in their native language. What word would they use?

Because WHERE ITS MADE IS THE WHOLE POINT.

I could go to an adult American and show them Naruto and they'll call it a "cartoon", which gives the connotation that its American. Im sure youd have a huge fit over that though, despite the fact that when you boil down to it theyre all essentially cartoons.

[Clayton_n]

I must be dumb, because I'm serious. I see anime characters there. How about you?


I'm absolutely serious. I don't think anime should be described by where it's from or based on a word that is basically just Japanese for "Animation". They'd refer to anything we made with cartoons by calling it "anime" as well.


Look at GI Joe. That was originally from Japan, took place in America (mostly) and the movies were definately made over here.

If we take a Japanese cartoon and make it here, does that mean it's no longer good? If you make an American Cartoon into a video game is it suddenly anime?
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Anime is all about the style. Not the origin.


Seriously aside fromt he origin what's the difference if it's drawn the same?

http://www.megatokyo.com/extra/mt_v05-finalcover-v02.jpg

Read Dramacon?

http://www.colonydrop.com/media/blogs/main/images/dramacon/notevenwhite.jpg

[Anime Forum]

I must be dumb, because I'm serious. I see anime characterws there. Ho about you?


I'm absolutely serious. I don't think anime should be described by where it's from or based on a word that is basically just Japanese for "Animation". They'd refer to anything we made with cartoons by calling it "anime" as well.


Look at GI Joe. That was originally from Japan, took place in America (mostly) and the movies were definately made over here.

If we take a Japanese cartoon and make it here, does that mean it's no longer good? If you make an American Cartoon into a video game is it suddenly anime?
http://www.answersfrommen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cartoon-super-mario.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1e/RunFromTheFutureTPB.jpg/250px-RunFromTheFutureTPB.jpg


Anime is all about the style. Not the origin.


Seriously aside fromt he origin what's the difference if it's drawn the same?

http://www.megatokyo.com/extra/mt_v05-finalcover-v02.jpghttp://www.colonydrop.com/media/blogs/main/images/dramacon/notevenwhite.jpg

Rooster Teeth is making a new animated show that resembles anime but isn't because it isn't written by Japanese writers. They even confirmed IT ISN'T anime. This throws the style argument down the window, right?

Just because you think a show is anime doesn't make it anime. Damn just search My Anime List for every show considered anime.

[Clayton_n]

Okay, what's your opinion of Oban Star Racers, riddick: Dark Fury, and Hellboy: Sword of the Storms?

http://sleepisfortheweak.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/mollystarracer.jpg
Coneheads: We come from France!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Dark_fury_cover.jpg
Riddick: I'm Vin Diesel. Dubbed it myself and it's drawn after me. And the other two movies before and after are live action. But this sucker is animated in Japan. What now punk?

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/177/1169869502.jpg
Hellboy: Like i give a crap.

Or Megatokyo?

http://megatokyo.com/strips/1361.jpg

[Anime Forum]

Okay, what's your opinion of Oban Star Racers, riddick: Dark Fury, and Hellboy: Sword of the Storms?

http://sleepisfortheweak.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/mollystarracer.jpg
Coneheads: We come from France!

http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2005/11/fury1.jpg
Riddick: I'm Vin Diesel. And the Previews are live action movies. But this sucker is animated in Japan. hat now punk?

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/177/1169869502.jpg
Hellboy: Like i give a crap.

Or Megatokyo?

http://megatokyo.com/strips/1361.jpg

Like I said, check out My Anime List. Anything on that website is considered anime/manga. That isn't opinion, but fact.

[Clayton_n]

This is one of those "facts" that seems mostly opinion. Like where the guys who write dictionaries get the spelling and meaning of words.


And nobody has answered my question. Aside from where they are made, what is the difference? And I found Oban on that site http://myanimelist.net/anime/1212/Oban_Star-Racers

I have also found that several animes I listed off the top of my head were not on the site.

Ōban Star-Racers

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Ōban Star-Racershttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/de/Oban_promo_poster.jpg/240px-Oban_promo_poster.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oban_promo_poster.jpg)GenreActionFormatAnimat ion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation)/Anime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime)Created bySavin Yeatman-EiffelStarringFrench:
Gabrielle Jéru
Thomas Guitard
Jérôme Keen
English:
Chiara Zanni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiara_Zanni)
Sam Vincent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Vincent)
Ron Halder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Halder)
Japanese:
Junko Noda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junko_Noda)
Keiichirou Satomi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keiichirou_Satomi&action=edit&redlink=1)
Unshou Ishizuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unshou_Ishizuka)Opening themeChance To Shine - AKINO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akino_(singer)) (Japan)
Never Say Never - After Midnight Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Midnight_Project) (America)Ending themeWaratteta - SukoshiCountry of originFrance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan)No. of seasons1No. of episodes26 (List of episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%C5%8Cban_Star-Racers_episodes))ProductionEditor(s)Takeshi Seyama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi_Seyama)Running time22 minutesProduction company(s)Sav! The World Productions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sav!_The_World_Productions) (Production company)
HAL Film Maker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Film_Maker) (2D Animation)
Pumpkin 3D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_3D) (3D Animation)BroadcastOriginal channelFrance 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_3), Jetix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetix) (France)
Super RTL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_RTL) (Germany)
NHK BS2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHK_BS2), Jetix (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JETIX_Japan&action=edit&redlink=1) (Japan)
Jetix (U.S. 2006-2009)
Disney XD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_XD) (U.S. 2009)
YTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YTV_(TV_channel)) (Canada)Original airing5 June 2006 - 11 December 2006External linksWebsite (http://www.obanstarracers.com/)Ōban Star-Racers (オーバン・スターレーサーズ, Ōban Sutā Rēsāzu? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets)) is a French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)/Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan)anime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime) created by Savin Yeatman-Eiffel (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Savin_Yeatman-Eiffel&action=edit&redlink=1) of Sav! The World Productions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sav!_The_World_Productions). Originally produced as a short movie titled Molly Star Racer, a television series was developed in cooperation with Jetix Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetix), with animation production by HAL Film Maker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Film_Maker) and Pumpkin 3D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_3D). It aired in more than 100 countries including Japan. In the US the series aired on ABC Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_Family) and Jetix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetix)/Toon Disney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toon_Disney) between June and December 2006.





Visual characteristics

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Anime artists use many distinct visual styles.


Many commentators refer to anime as an art form (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_form).[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-29) As a visual medium, it can emphasize visual styles. The styles can vary from artist to artist or from studio to studio. Some titles make extensive use of common stylization: FLCL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLCL), for example, has a reputation for wild, exaggerated stylization. Other titles use different methods: Only Yesterday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Yesterday_(1991_film)) or Jin-Roh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin-Roh) take much more realistic approaches, featuring few stylistic exaggerations; Pokémon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon) uses drawings which specifically do not distinguish the nationality of characters.[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-30)
While different titles and different artists have their own artistic styles, many stylistic elements have become so common that describe them as definitive of anime in general. However, this does not mean that all modern anime share one strict, common art-style. Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles. Generally, the most common form of anime drawings include "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_line) and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography."[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-31)
The influences of Japanese calligraphy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calligraphy) and Japanese painting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_painting) also characterize linear qualities of the anime style. The round ink brush (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ink_brush) traditionally used for writing kanji (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji) and for painting, produces a stroke of widely varying thickness.
Anime also tends to borrow many elements from manga, including text in the background and panel layouts. For example, an opening may employ manga panels to tell the story, or to dramatize a point for humorous effect. See for example the anime Kare Kano (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kare_Kano).
Character design

Basic character designs use techniques implemented in cartoon design.[specify (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)][citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Among these techniques include the use of reference sketches to ensure character proportionality and multiple angle designs.
John Opplinger, an analyst for AnimeNation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnimeNation), noted that like in any other medium the importance of a recognizable silhouette allowing viewers to instantly recognize the a character. However he stated that although anime series that featured of distinctive and memorable characters from prolific designers contained many examples of not performing well, whereas other series that relied on very narrow variances between characters have been popular. Opplinger stated that although ultimately the majority of the contemporary character designs in anime series evolve to match the tastes of the paying audience, there are occasional shows that feature distinctive character designs.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-32)
Proportions

Body proportions emulated in anime come from proportions of the human body. The height of the head is considered by the artist as the base unit of proportion. Head heights can vary as long as the remainder of the body remains proportional. Most anime characters are about seven to eight heads tall, and extreme heights are set around nine heads tall.[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-headheight-33)
Variations to proportion can be modified by the artist. Super-deformed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_deformed) characters feature a non-proportionally small body compared to the head. Sometimes specific body parts, like legs, are shortened or elongated for added emphasis. Most super deformed characters are two to four heads tall. Some anime works like Crayon Shin-chan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayon_Shin-chan) completely disregard these proportions, such that they resemble Western cartoons. For exaggeration, certain body features are increased in proportion.[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-headheight-33) Comedic effects often utilize these variations.
Eye styles

Many anime and manga characters feature large eyes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_eye). Osamu Tezuka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osamu_Tezuka), who is believed to have been the first to use this technique, was inspired by the exaggerated features of American cartoon characters such as Betty Boop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Boop), Mickey Mouse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mouse), and Disney's Bambi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-manga.21-5)[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Dreamland-34) Tezuka found that large eyes style allowed his characters to show emotions distinctly. When Tezuka began drawing Ribbon no Kishi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Knight), the first manga specifically targeted at young girls, Tezuka further exaggerated the size of the characters' eyes. Indeed, through Ribbon no Kishi, Tezuka set a stylistic template that later shōjo artists tended to follow.
Coloring is added to give eyes, particularly to the cornea, some depth. The depth is accomplished by applying variable color shading. Generally, a mixture of a light shade, the tone color, and a dark shade is used.[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-35)[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-36) Cultural anthropologist Matt Thorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Thorn) argues that Japanese animators and audiences do not perceive such stylized eyes as inherently more or less foreign.[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-manga_characters_look_white-37)
However, not all anime have large eyes. For example, some of the work of Hayao Miyazaki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki) and Toshiro Kawamoto are known for having realistically proportioned eyes, as well as realistic hair colors on their characters.[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-companion-38)
Facial expressions

See also: Manga iconography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_iconography)
Anime characters may employ a variety of predetermined facial expressions to denote moods and thoughts.[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-39) These techniques are often different in form than their counterparts in Western animation, and they include a fixed iconography that's used as shorthand for certain emotions and moods.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-bloody-40)
There are a number of other stylistic elements that are common to conventional anime as well but more often used in comedies. Characters that are shocked or surprised will perform a "face fault (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_fault)", in which they display an extremely exaggerated expression. Angry characters may exhibit a "vein" or "stress mark" effect, where lines representing bulging veins will appear on their forehead. Angry women will sometimes summon a mallet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallet) from nowhere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerspace) and strike another character with it, mainly for the sake of slapstick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slapstick) comedy. Male characters will develop a bloody nose (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosebleed) around their female love interests (typically to indicate arousal, which is a play on an old wives' tale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_wives%27_tale)).[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-bloody-40) Embarrassed or stressed characters either produce a massive sweat-drop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_iconography) (which has become one of the most widely recognized motifs of conventional anime) or produce a visibly red blush or set of parallel (sometimes squiggly) lines beneath the eyes, especially as a manifestation of repressed romantic feelings. Characters who want to childishly taunt someone may pull an akanbe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akanbe) face (by pulling an eyelid down with a finger to expose the red underside). Characters may also have large "X" eyes to show a knockout, or in some cases, even illness. This is typically used for comedic purposes. Vacant, non-reflecting eyes can be used to indicate a state of semi-consciousness.
Animation technique

Like all animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation), the production processes of storyboarding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storyboard), voice acting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_acting), character design, cel production (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cel_animation) and so on still apply. With improvements in computer technology, computer animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_animation) increased the efficiency of the whole production process.
In the 1990s, the Japanese began incorporating computers into the animation process. Some works such as Ghost in the Shell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(film)) and Princess Mononoke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mononoke) mixed cel animation with computer-generated images. Towards the late 1990s, companies had began shifting towards drawing cels digitally instead of with paint. Fuji Films to boldly announce the halt of cel production for the animation industry prompting a mass scramble to import foreign cels and transfer more of the production line to digital.[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-AnimeEssentials-41)
The large majority of anime uses traditional animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_animation), which better allows for division of labor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labor), pose to pose (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation#Straight_ahead_ac tion_and_pose_to_pose) approach and checking of drawings before they are shot – practices favored by the anime industry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_industry).[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Jouvanceau2004-42) Other mediums are mostly limited to independently made short films (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_subject),[43] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Sharp2003-43) examples of which are the silhouette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silhouette_animation) and other cutout animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutout_animation) of Noburō Ōfuji (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobur%C5%8D_%C5%8Cfuji),[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Jouvanceau2004-42)[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Cin.C3.A9math.C3.A8que2008-44) the stop motion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_motion) puppet animation of Tadahito Mochinaga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadahito_Mochinaga), Kihachirō Kawamoto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kihachir%C5%8D_Kawamoto)[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Sharp2004-45) and Tomoyasu Murata[46] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-46) and the computer animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_animation) of Satoshi Tomioka[47] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-47) (most famously Usavich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usavich)).[48] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-48) Sara Pocock, an animator and contributor to Anime News Network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_News_Network), described the majority of "mainstream" anime as being animated using the pose to pose style but using fewer expressive keyframes and more in-between animation.[49] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-ANNKeyAnimation-49)
Japanese animation studios were pioneers of many limited animation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_animation) techniques. Ke Jiang, an animator for Disney, told Anime News Network that like everyone in animation, Japanese animators study the techniques of Disney in school, however Japanese anime has its own set of rules to be followed that have developed over time. Unlike Disney animation where the emphasis is on the movement, Anime emphasizes the art quality as limited animation techniques could make up for the lack of time spent on movement. Such techniques were often used not only to meet deadlines but also as artistic devices.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-ChicksOnAnimeSep2008-50) Even in bigger productions, studios often use limited animation techniques, even intentionally at times, to fool the eye into thinking there is more movement than there is.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-manga.21-5) John Oppliger, when examining the question of animation quality inconsistency from titles, noted a trend in his weekly column for AnimeNation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnimeNation) "Ask John" that for titles from larger studios, stating that the "most reliable predictor for animation quality" is the profile of the series itself, and that "shows that are expected to be big hits or shows that are consciously crafted to make a big splash ... typically get unusually exceptional animation quality." He stated that although viewers can expect high quality animation from small studios with a reputation for high quality animation due to their ability to focus all of their resources on a single work, large studios tend to work on several shows and thus prioritize speed over quality. Oppliger stated that anime is one of the rare mediums were putting together an all-star cast usually comes out looking "tremendously impressive."[51] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-51)
Anime scenes place emphasis on achieving three-dimensional views. Backgrounds depict the scenes' atmosphere.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-manga.21-5) For example, anime often puts emphasis on changing seasons, as can be seen in numerous anime, such as Tenchi Muyo! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenchi_Muyo!). Sometimes actual settings have been duplicated into an anime. The backgrounds for the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_(anime)) are based on various locations within the suburb of Nishinomiya, Hyogo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishinomiya,_Hyogo), Japan.[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-52)
Camera effects

Camera angles, camera movement, and lighting play an important role in scenes. Directors often have the discretion of determining viewing angles for scenes, particularly regarding backgrounds. In addition, camera angles show perspective (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(graphical)).[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-production-53) Directors can also choose camera effects within cinematography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinematography), such as panning, zooming, facial closeup, and panoramic.[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-54)

Story themes

Producers have adapted a wide variety of stories into anime, sourcing from Japanese history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history), classical literature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_literature), adult-oriented themes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai), and even American westerns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_(genre)). While animation for children exists, most anime target an older audience.[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-55)
As early as Osamu Tezuka's Atom Boy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_Boy) (1963), the doll with a soul - from the Japanese old folk belief that a doll loved and cared for can develop a soul - became a recurring motif in Japan. This fuzzy border between the human and the mechanical would supply themes again and again, appearing later also as cybernetic humans beginning with the 8 Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Man) (1963) series and the robot where humans initially controlled robots via radio but later as pilots in their interior as in the giant robot subgenre. These shows presented technology not as inherently good or evil, but instead as a tool that could be used in either way. Gilles Poitras describes this as "appropriate", since the Japanese had seen the rebirth of their own nation through technology after the destruction at the hands of political and military power.[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-AnimeEssentials-41)
In the 1970s, Poitras writes, many series began drawing from great heroes and epic stories. Several works mined the manga writer Leiji Matsumoto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiji_Matsumoto)'s tales of heroism, of courage, of humanity, and of suffering set in many a strange world. Narratives in the fantasy and supernatural genre drew especially from Shinto and Buddhist legends and practices - and later from western influences, from sources such as Dungeons and Dragons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_and_Dragons).[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-AnimeEssentials-41)

[Ωmega]

Then shows like Tatami Glaxay arent anime because they dont follow the style you keep going on about

http://kafkafuura.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/yojouhan-shinwa-taikei-top.jpg

[Anime Forum]

Whatever is on MAL is considered anime. I'm not accepting or rejecting your opinions. MAL is more reputable than you.

[Clayton_n]

How about apuffy Ami Yumi? and Teen Titans? or Totally Spies and WINX?

http://img.filmous.com/static/photos/110417/poster.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLPkBcL544M

http://www.zodiakrights.com/Content/Images/Brand/totally-spies-4737.jpg

http://images2.nick.com/nick-assets/shows/images/winx-club/flipbooks/winx-the-emperors-throne/winx-emperors-throne-17.jpg

[Ωmega]

Whatever is on MAL is considered anime. I'm not accepting or rejecting your opinions. MAL is more reputable than you.
He fails to understand that just because he thinks something is an anime doesnt make it an anime. The shows might look anime-ish in his OPINION, but the FACT is they arent. Plain and simple. He also doesnt seem to realize hes the -only- person who seems to think hes right and everyone else in the world is wrong.

......hes like a Republican


Edit: all you just listed are English cartoons. Puffy Amiyumi just happens to include Japanese pop singers, so its more a collaboration show

[Anime Forum]

How about apuffy Ami Yumi? and Teen Titans? or Totally Spies and WINX?

http://img.filmous.com/static/photos/110417/poster.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLPkBcL544M

http://www.zodiakrights.com/Content/Images/Brand/totally-spies-4737.jpg

http://images2.nick.com/nick-assets/shows/images/winx-club/flipbooks/winx-the-emperors-throne/winx-emperors-throne-17.jpg


Are you ignoring my posts on purpose? GO ON MAL AND LOOK UP ALL OF THEM. MAL is more reputable than you. Why are you asking us when you can look them up yourself. We've explained as best as possible.

[Ωmega]

Next hes going to say Scooby Doo, Josie and the Pussycats, The Snorks, Smurfs and Care Bears are all anime too

[Clayton_n]

I did read your posts and look up the sites. Many things are missing... like how the Bible doesn't mention woodpeckers and things. And you never answered my question.


Now, if where the cartoon is made is so important, what about things like Gargoyles? Season one was made in Japan.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110317164117/disney/images/7/7d/Xanatos_schemes-sized.jpg


Does that make it anime?

[Anime Forum]

Next hes going to say Scooby Doo, Josie and the Pussycats, The Snorks, Smurfs and Care Bears are all anime too

Don't forget Courage the Cowardly Dog. Rofl.

[Clayton_n]

Just wondering... why DO you even care where it was made? People in Japan don't.



anime -- pronounced "ah-knee-may" -- is an abbreviation of the word animation. In Japan, the word's used to refer to all animation.

[Ωmega]

I did read your posts and look up the sites. Many things are missing... like how the Bible doesn't mention woodpeckers and things. And you never answered my question.


Now, if where the cartoon is made is so important, what about things like Gargoyles? Season one was made in Japan.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110317164117/disney/images/7/7d/Xanatos_schemes-sized.jpg


Does that make it anime?

Nope, because it was simply outsourced by Americans to make production costs cheaper.

Who writes the show? Who directs it? Who decides what happens in the show?? What language is the show written for?? Thats what you need to look up. If all or most of those are "Japan" then its anime. If all or most of those are- America, Italy, Canada, Germany, etc then its that countries cartoon. People outsource things to other, cheaper, countries all the time.

Ok, let me ask you this-
What company is Apple? American? Chinese? Japanese? German?

[Anime Forum]

Just wondering... why DO you even care where it was made?

Because that defines what anime actually is. I don't care, stop jumping to assumptions. No one is dissing American cartoons.

[Clayton_n]

I'm just wondering why there is this supposed difference. The styles the same, American cartoons are dubbed into Japanese the same way theirs are dubbed here, up until the 90's most people would have said there was no real difference. Yet everyone keeps finding reasons to act as if there's some line on the Earth where anime can not be made... and then making excuses like if it's made in Korea or if an american made it...



What about Ninja high school? It was made by an American.

Tenchi Muyo was based on "I Dream of Jeannie"

Ranma is based on an old TV show called" Turbo teen".

Megatokyo is sold on the manga shelves right along everything else... and did you ever see Van Von Hunter? Or the Rising Stars of Manga?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YPVPGKANL.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Rising_Stars_of_Manga_1.jpg/250px-Rising_Stars_of_Manga_1.jpg


Seriously, give me a list of the differences besides who makes it and where it's made? Some valid non-race based reasons.
Because so far all your reasons make you sound like Nazis. Silly Gaijin...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubt99WS2CFw

[Ωmega]

And? Lion King was based on a Japanese cartoon, its still an American Disney movie.

[Clayton_n]

EXACTLY! The line is all in your head. It's like who owns Roger and Jessica Rabbit, Disney or Warner Brothers? Disney released the Miyazaki films in this country

And Tangled was given anime features for the characters.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28800000/Tangled-Wallpaper-tangled-28834690-1024-768.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr4meSFbO3I


Is "Kingdom Hearts" anime? If not, why not since that's the Final Fantasy cast int here. If so, what about all those Disney characters running around the place? Sora is a Disney original... yet he appears to be an anime character. Along with his friends.


http://images.wikia.com/kingdomhearts/images/d/da/KingdomHearts-manga_cover.jpg

http://hq-wall.net/i/med_thumb/13/38/75__donald_duck_goofy_kairi_kingdom_hearts_mickey_ roxas_sora.jpg


http://www.anime42.com/Misc/Every_Anime_Character.jpg http://www.anime42.com/Misc/Every_Anime_Character.jpg (Full Sized)

[Ωmega]

Warner brothers
No, she was given the standard Disney eyes, just in 3D
Again, a collaboration between a Japanese and English developers.

And the point I was making is just because "they got the idea from X" doesnt mean anything. Half of Disneys movies are based on childrens stories from OTHER countries, but its produced, written [for movie format with adaptions] and developed by Disney.

Cinderella? French
Bell too...in fact, the movie is based in France
Hunchback? Also French
Mulan? Chinese
Alice? British
The Black Couldron? Welsh
Little Mermaid? Danish

[Clayton_n]

One day Disney will make a Japanese princess... or have they already and I am just forgetting? I think they still need Russia (Anastasia wasn't them) and Japan...

[Ωmega]

Disney said Rapunzel would be their last princess. But then they did Merida....

[Clayton_n]

They also said the Frog Princess would be their first black one and forgot Atlantis

[Anime Forum]

EXACTLY! The line is all in your head. It's like who owns Roger and Jessica Rabbit, Disney or Warner Brothers? Disney released the Miyazaki films in this country

And Tangled was given anime features for the characters.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28800000/Tangled-Wallpaper-tangled-28834690-1024-768.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr4meSFbO3I




Is "Kingdom Hearts" anime? If not, why not since that's the Final Fantasy cast int here. If so, what about all those Disney characters running around the place? Sora is a Disney original... yet he appears to be an anime character. Along with his friends.


http://images.wikia.com/kingdomhearts/images/d/da/KingdomHearts-manga_cover.jpg

http://hq-wall.net/i/med_thumb/13/38/75__donald_duck_goofy_kairi_kingdom_hearts_mickey_ roxas_sora.jpg


http://www.anime42.com/Misc/Every_Anime_Character.jpg http://www.anime42.com/Misc/Every_Anime_Character.jpg (Full Sized)

Nappa: Vegeta! How many times will Maru and AF need to repeat themselves and help stop Clayton from asking the same questions?

Vegeta: OVER 9000!

Nappa: What 9000!? Is he ever going to learn?

[Ωmega]

They also said the Frog Princess would be their first black one and forgot Atlantis

...because Kida wasnt black?

[Clayton_n]

She was from Africa..l. or there abouts.

Also turns out Ben Dunn was Taiawanese

As for My Anime List.net.... look here

http://myanimelist.net/anime/1292/Afro_Samurai

[Ωmega]

She was from Africa..l. or there abouts.

Also turns out Ben Dunn was Taiawanese

As for My Anime List.net.... look here

http://myanimelist.net/anime/1292/Afro_Samurai

She was Atlantian. Most people peg Atlantis to have been around places like: Egypt, Greece, Italy, etc.

Also, Afro Samurai was based on a *manga* and made into an *anime* that was dubbed by Samuel L Jackson.

[Hanamaru Kunikida]

Lol, what's going on here?

big thread drift?

[Anime Forum]

Lol, what's going on here?

big thread drift?

Somebody believes MLP and live action Transformers is anime.

[Hanamaru Kunikida]

Somebody believes MLP and live action Transformers is anime.

Live Action movies are anime now? LOL

[kirito272]

anime-japanese animation

well america sucks' with shows so yeah

[Ωmega]

anime-japanese animation

well america sucks' with shows so yeah

Powerpuff girls, MLP:FIM, Adventure Time, Ren and Stimpy, Rockos Modern Life...theyre all *terrible* shows [/sarcasm]

Edit- Dude, you just posted in the My Litle Pony thread talking about your favorite ponies. How can you turn around and then call it crap?? Cause its an American show o__O

[kirito272]

Powerpuff girls, MLP:FIM, Adventure Time, Ren and Stimpy, Rockos Modern Life...theyre all *terrible* shows [/sarcasm]
yes they are

[Anime Forum]

anime-japanese animation

well america sucks' with shows so yeah

I disagree. Japan IMO has stronger animation, but that doesn't mean American animation sucks.

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Live Action movies are anime now? LOL


In this thread, yes.

[rf switch]

Just about every Japanese person I went to school with refered to all animation as "anime".. Even Disney Movies.

Same with Manga and Comics. Spiderman was Manga to them.

---------- Post added at 05:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:14 PM ----------


Nope, because it was simply outsourced by Americans to make production costs cheaper.

Who writes the show? Who directs it? Who decides what happens in the show?? What language is the show written for?? Thats what you need to look up. If all or most of those are "Japan" then its anime. If all or most of those are- America, Italy, Canada, Germany, etc then its that countries cartoon. People outsource things to other, cheaper, countries all the time.

Ok, let me ask you this-
What company is Apple? American? Chinese? Japanese? German?
So if a Westerner living in Japan directs an Anime that was based off a Western tale (like Animes sometimes are) and he has a Japanese studio do the animation. It doesn't get outsourced to Korea or where ever is it still Anime?

Sort of along these lines, is Knack a Japanese Video game? It's director is Mark Cerny, but he's living in Japan and SCEJ is doing it and it looks very Western and Pixar like.

[Ωmega]

Just about every Japanese person I went to school with refered to all animation as "anime".. Even Disney Movies.

Same with Manga and Comics. Spiderman was Manga to them.

---------- Post added at 05:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:14 PM ----------


So if a Westerner living in Japan directs an Anime that was based off a Western tale (like Animes sometimes are) and he has a Japanese studio do the animation. It doesn't get outsourced to Korea or where ever is it still Anime?

Again, it becomes a collaboration.

[rf switch]

Again, it becomes a collaboration.
So if a Western Animation Director happens to get hired at Studio Ghibli or Toei and does something it's never going to be "Anime"? Just a collaboration?

[Ωmega]

So if a Western Animation Director happens to get hired at Studio Ghibli or Toei and does something it's never going to be "Anime"? Just a collaboration?

No, because its Studio Ghibli. Unless hes *directing* it it really doesnt matter.

[rf switch]

No, because its Studio Ghibli. Unless hes *directing* it it really doesnt matter.
That's kind of what I'm talking about. If a westerner got a job as a director with a Japanese animation studio?

How much western influence needs to be in the Anime before it's not Anime anymore?

[Anime Forum]

Not to sound rude, but is still a debate? Disney movies aren't anime, no matter what any Japanese person said. I want an official source that backs up claims of these shows being anime from here on out. Anything else is fodder.

[Ωmega]

Jesus. Seriously people, google anime

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=45
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anime
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anime
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime
http://www.internetslang.com/ANIME-meaning-definition.asp
http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/anime

What do they ALL have in common??
noun
a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children. Compare with manga.
Origin:

1980s: Japanese, shortened from animēshon, based on English animation

[rf switch]

Not to sound rude, but is still a debate? Disney movies aren't anime, no matter what any Japanese person said. I want an official source that backs up claims of these shows being anime from here on out. Anything else is fodder.
Sure why not? More debatable than other things that get debated on the internet over and over again.... It's a term. It doesn't really matter what is and isn't Anime. I don't dislike something because it is or isn't Anime and neither should anyone else. If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?


Jesus. Seriously people, google anime
no


1980s: Japanese, shortened from animēshon, based on English animation
Which makes it seem like in Japan... Anything animated regardless of where it's from is "Anime".

[Ωmega]

Sure why not? More debatable than other things that get debated on the internet over and over again.... It's a term. It doesn't really matter what is and isn't Anime. I don't dislike something because it is or isn't Anime and neither should anyone else. If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?


no


Which makes it seem like in Japan... Anything animated regardless of where it's from is "Anime".

No. Read it again. Read -all- the definitions again. In Japan, they call cartoons anime, short for animēshon, which they did based on American cartoons. Which destroys Claytons argument that -we- copy theyre style when they apparently started by copying us.

IE- Cartoons in Japan. Cartoons were big in America, so they made cartoons too. They didnt call it cartoons, their shows are anime.

[/thread]

[Anime Forum]

Sure why not? More debatable than other things that get debated on the internet over and over again.... It's a term. It doesn't really matter what is and isn't Anime. I don't dislike something because it is or isn't Anime and neither should anyone else. If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?


no

Why do people keep saying that lol? Calling something not anime isn't an attack, just the facts. Lol, no one is getting annoyed. I'm just in awe of people that join an anime forum and don't even bother doing research before posting.

[rf switch]

Why do people keep saying that lol? Calling something not anime isn't an attack, just the facts. Lol, no one is getting annoyed. I'm just in awe of people that join an anime forum and don't even bother doing research before posting.

You missed my bad buzzed/drunken grammar

If I can annoying someone by continuing on then why not?
Yeah...


Omega posted links for me.

[Anime Forum]

You missed my bad buzzed/drunken grammar

Yeah...


Omega posted links for me.

Saw that, but decided to not mention it lol. xD

[Ωmega]

Links, I haz dem

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4664/qm3c.jpg

[MistaCloudStrife]

Lol. Anime has almost always been defined as Japanese Animation. So it's an animation(cartoon) made in Japan. And it's true that they basically copied the US' comics and cartoons in Japan and made manga and anime. (Even though some people will say that they're based on old Japanese scrolls, that's just BS) And although that may be true, it's also true that they went a different direction and at some point some studios over in the US did adapt some comics and cartoons to be more like manga and anime.

It's a give and take sort of deal. Fact is, though, manga and anime were made possible because of influence of American comics and cartoons. Without the old school comics in the US, manga may not even exist. This in turn would heavily affect anime as well.

Either way, a US cartoon can't be an anime and an anime can't be a US cartoon. Now a US cartoon can have an anime adaptation and vice versa, but if that isn't the case, then just call them what they're supposed to be. You don't call a Ford made in the USA, a Japanese import, no matter how small and economical-friendly it may be. Just saying.

[Ωmega]

Lol. Anime has almost always been defined as Japanese Animation. So it's an animation(cartoon) made in Japan. And it's true that they basically copied the US' comics and cartoons in Japan and made manga and anime. (Even though some people will say that they're based on old Japanese scrolls, that's just BS) And although that may be true, it's also true that they went a different direction and at some point some studios over in the US did adapt some comics and cartoons to be more like manga and anime.

It's a give and take sort of deal. Fact is, though, manga and anime were made possible because of influence of American comics and cartoons. Without the old school comics in the US, manga may not even exist. This in turn would heavily affect anime as well.

Either way, a US cartoon can't be an anime and an anime can't be a US cartoon. Now a US cartoon can have an anime adaptation and vice versa, but if that isn't the case, then just call them what they're supposed to be. You don't call a Ford made in the USA, a Japanese import, no matter how small and economical-friendly it may be. Just saying.
omg youre alive

[Anime Forum]

Lol. Anime has almost always been defined as Japanese Animation. So it's an animation(cartoon) made in Japan. And it's true that they basically copied the US' comics and cartoons in Japan and made manga and anime. (Even though some people will say that they're based on old Japanese scrolls, that's just BS) And although that may be true, it's also true that they went a different direction and at some point some studios over in the US did adapt some comics and cartoons to be more like manga and anime.

It's a give and take sort of deal. Fact is, though, manga and anime were made possible because of influence of American comics and cartoons. Without the old school comics in the US, manga may not even exist. This in turn would heavily affect anime as well.

Either way, a US cartoon can't be an anime and an anime can't be a US cartoon. Now a US cartoon can have an anime adaptation and vice versa, but if that isn't the case, then just call them what they're supposed to be. You don't call a Ford made in the USA, a Japanese import, no matter how small and economical-friendly it may be. Just saying.

[/END Thread]

[Clayton_n]

I'm just saying anime doesn't have to be made in Japan or by Japanese people ya freakin' nazis. It's a style of cartoon. In Japan all animation is called anime.

As for the live action, Kill Bill did have animated parts in it, CGI counts as animation, and even in the Transformers movie part of the line goes "It's a giant robot... I think it's Japanese."


She was Atlantian. Most people peg Atlantis to have been around places like: Egypt, Greece, Italy, etc.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23000000/kida-atlantis-23082523-900-413.jpg


How about the Lion King? If they'd been human... and not ripped off of an anime...

[Ωmega]

I'm just saying anime doesn't have to be made in Japan or by Japanese people ya freakin' nazis. It's a style of cartoon. In Japan all animation is called anime.

As for the live action, Kill Bill did have animated parts in it, CGI counts as animation, and even in the Transformers movie part of the line goes "It's a giant robot... I think it's Japanese."



http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23000000/kida-atlantis-23082523-900-413.jpg


How about the Lion King? If they'd been human... and not ripped off of an anime...

And Im just saying that anime is based on -our- cartoons, not vice versa. Once again, you are the -only- person who thinks practically everything is anime when you look at *any* definition as to what anime is it says its FROM [gasp] JAPAN!!

[Clayton_n]

No! I know there's a difference. It's a style though, not where it's made or by whom. The big eyes, the martial arts, the multi-colored gravity defying hair... most CGI films these days for example are done in the anime style. Country of origin and who makes it are irrelevant as long as it looks like anime and has the basic... feel.


http://static.tumblr.com/p5zeghk/bILmeurth/640x338xarticle-header-rise-of-the-guardians-review_jpg_pagespeed_ic_zao30fxdkq.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBVeQAXhtw8

http://props.handheldmuseum.com/Z_Img/Coraline/Coraline_01.jpg

[Ωmega]

"Big eyes" was started by Disney. Its not the "anime" look, its the DISNEY look.

[Clayton_n]

*Evil Grin* I know.

Also keep in mind that the last four Miyazaki films were based on The Borrowers, Wizard of Earthsea, The Little Mermaid, and Howl's Moving Castle.

[Ωmega]

So then your argument that -our- movies/cartoons/etc are "anime" because they have big eyes is crap. Its all a Disney knock off, not anime.

Congrats, you just proved yourself wrong.

[Clayton_n]

No, I'm just agreeing with you that the style did not even originate in Japan... in fact didn't Americans invent cartoons in the first place? Like how we made cars and then the Japanese just made them better. Now we do it the same way.


Your argument seems to be that only one race on the planet and one tiny island on the planet is capable of producing anime... which is similar to the Nazi's feelings on Aryans.

I'm fairly certain Justice League was made almost entirely in Korea for example. So are the Simpsons...

I'm saying that it's a style. Call it anime, call it BESM, I don't care, but it's not about where the crap comes from it's about what they can do with it.

Plus Disney buys most of it these days anyway.


It's all about the way it's done, not who does it.

http://megatokyo.com/strips/1362.gif

http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2013-06-21.gif

http://cdn.comixology.com/assets/slash.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__FB9waRXJB0/TAXlCoMgnoI/AAAAAAAACrU/vPIV7K3nqYY/s1600/ninjette2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Spies_Totally_Spies.jpg


http://nightmares.wikispaces.com/file/view/besm_motiv.jpg/88824187/525x420/besm_motiv.jpg
http://www.rabbitvalley.com/pictures/cute-and-fuzzy-cockfighting-seizure-monsters-rpg-book-413.jpg

[Ωmega]

Then if its about the -way- it done, its done in the Disney way. End of discussion

[Anime Forum]

No, I'm just agreeing with you that the style did not even originate in Japan... in fact didn't Americans invent cartoons in the first place? Like how we made cars and then the Japanese just made them better. Now we do it the same way.


Your argument seems to be that only one race on the planet and one tiny island on the planet is capable of producing anime... which is similar to the Nazi's feelings on Aryans.

I'm fairly certain Justice League was made almost entirely in Korea for example. So are the Simpsons...

I'm saying that it's a style. Call it anime, call it BESM, I don't care, but it's not about where the crap comes from it's about what they can do with it.

Plus Disney buys most of it these days anyway.


It's all about the way it's done, not who does it.

http://megatokyo.com/strips/1362.gif

http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2013-06-21.gif

http://cdn.comixology.com/assets/slash.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__FB9waRXJB0/TAXlCoMgnoI/AAAAAAAACrU/vPIV7K3nqYY/s1600/ninjette2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Spies_Totally_Spies.jpg


http://nightmares.wikispaces.com/file/view/besm_motiv.jpg/88824187/525x420/besm_motiv.jpg
http://www.rabbitvalley.com/pictures/cute-and-fuzzy-cockfighting-seizure-monsters-rpg-book-413.jpg

American Animation told me to post this about you: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m57o1qSdGA1rt758uo1_500.jpg

[Clayton_n]

Then if its about the -way- it done, its done in the Disney way. End of discussion
I can agree to that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7S2kg5WCcY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLKTTebaOQ

[DeadmanWonderland]

Just like I don't consider anime to be a cartoon. Anime is like any TV series, but drawn. Main distinction, anime series have a plot that continues into the next episodes, as for cartoons, they're completely random.

[Anime Forum]

Just like I don't consider anime to be a cartoon. Anime is like any TV series, but drawn. Main distinction, anime series have a plot that continues into the next episodes, as for cartoons, they're completely random.


That isn't always true. Look at Total Drama Island, it is not Japan made and that has a story that is ongoing. Plus, anime are cartoons. Cartoon isn't a term only dedicated to one region or country, rather just what animation is. Anime is a cartoon, made in and written by Japanese.

[DeadmanWonderland]

That isn't always true. Look at Total Drama Island, it is not Japan made and that has a story that is ongoing. Plus, anime are cartoons. Cartoon isn't a term only dedicated to one region or country, rather just what animation is. Anime is a cartoon, made in and written by Japanese.
True, some cartoons continue their story in the next episodes. Your saying anime is only from Japan though? New to me.

[Anime Forum]

True, some cartoons continue their story in the next episodes. Your saying anime is only from Japan though? New to me.

Anime: a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality. This is a definition I found, even if I disagree with the futuristic setting portion. Still a cartoon though.

[Clayton_n]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LQaDE7Ed4o



Anime News Network's definition
Anime

</I></B>: アニメ
Japanese word for cartoon and animation. In Japan, "anime" refers to any and all animation or cartoon - regardless of the genre, style, or nation of origin.

While it is clear that the word anime derives from a western term, there is some debate as to its exact origin. One very common interpretation is that it comes from the French term for cartoon, "dessin animé", which translates literally to "animated drawing". However, others believe it's simply a contraction of the word "animation" as pronounced in English.

While the French origin is perhaps the most widely spread theory, it may simply be a myth related to the popularity of anime in France in the late 70s and the 80s which was so spectacular it even led to some French-Japanese co-productions. But animation in Japan has existed for longer than that, and the full word for animation there is アニメション (animeshon) which follows the English pronunciation, not the French one. Combined with the fact that Japanese have a habit of incorporating English words into their language much more often than other western languages, this makes a strong case that "anime" is actually the short form of the Japanization of the English word "animation."

There is much controversy as to whether or not the label "anime" can be extended to non-Japanese animation that looks like Japanese animation. Whether or not the label can be extended to non-Japanese animation depends largely on the technical definition of "anime" that one choses to accept:

Defined by origin: Defining "anime" as animation produced in Japan allows for a fairly black and white application of the label. The only gray area occurs with co-productions that may have had a portion of their animation, and/or scripting produced outside of Japan.

Defined by style: Defining "anime" as a style of animation that originated in Japan is much more complicated, however this definition would allow animation produced outside of Japan, but conforming to the defined "style" to be called "anime." It is difficult to determine if this "style" should be determined solely on drawing style (ie: Big eyes, small mouth, pointy hair), if it should include editing techniques (Japanese animation typically makes more use of "cuts" and "camera angles" than most non Japanese animation), and whether the narrative or storytelling style should be included in the definition. Perhaps the biggest pitfall of this definition is that, due to the wide variety of Japanese animation, regardless of any style based definition, there will always be Japanese animation that would not fit the definition, creating a scenario where some Japanese animation would not be anime.

According to Anime News Network publisher, Christopher Macdonald, "On Anime News Network, we define anime based on the origin of the animation. If it is primarily produced in Japan, it is anime. It should be clear, that by adhering to a definition that defines non-Japanese animation that mimic common anime styles as 'not anime,' Anime News Network does not endorse the notion that these 'anime-style' works are in any way inferior to animation produced in Japan. "

Some dictionaries define anime by style.

See also: Japanimation, Manga




Wikipedia

Anime

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Not to be confused with Amine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amine).
"Animé" redirects here. For the oleo-resin, see Animé (oleo-resin) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anim%C3%A9_(oleo-resin)).
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History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anime)
Industry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_industry)
Original net animation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_net_animation)
Original video animation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_video_animation)
Fansub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fansub)
Fandub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandub)
Companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anime_companies)
Longest series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anime_series_by_episode_count)
Manga

History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_manga)
International market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_outside_Japan)
Mangaka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangaka) (List (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_manga_artists))
Dōjinshi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Djinshi)
Scanlation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanlation)
Publishers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_manga_publishers)
Longest series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_manga_series_by_volume_count)
Demographic groups

Children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_anime_and_manga)
Shōnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dnen_manga)
Shōjo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Djo_manga)
Seinen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinen_manga)
Josei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josei_manga)
Genres

Ecchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi)
Harem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_(genre))
Hentai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai)
Magical girl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_girl)
Mecha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha_anime)
Yaoi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi)
Yuri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(genre))
Major figures

Mitsuru Adachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuru_Adachi)
Fujio Akatsuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujio_Akatsuka)
George Akiyama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Akiyama)
Akira Amano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_Amano)
Hideaki Anno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideaki_Anno)
Hiromu Arakawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiromu_Arakawa)
Hirohiko Araki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohiko_Araki)
Hideo Azuma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Azuma)
Osamu Dezaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osamu_Dezaki)
Hisashi Eguchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hisashi_Eguchi)
Fujiko Fujio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiko_Fujio)
Tetsuo Hara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuo_Hara)
Katsura Hoshino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsura_Hoshino)
Yukinobu Hoshino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukinobu_Hoshino)
Ryoichi Ikegami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryoichi_Ikegami)
Kunihiko Ikuhara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunihiko_Ikuhara)
Ken Ishikawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ishikawa)
Shotaro Ishinomori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotaro_Ishinomori)
Ikki Kajiwara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikki_Kajiwara)
Tomoharu Katsumata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoharu_Katsumata)
Yoshiaki Kawajiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiaki_Kawajiri)
Shōji Kawamori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dji_Kawamori)
Masashi Kishimoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masashi_Kishimoto)
Seishi Kishimoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seishi_Kishimoto)
Rakuten Kitazawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakuten_Kitazawa)
Kazuo Koike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuo_Koike)
Satoshi Kon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kon)
Tite Kubo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tite_Kubo)
Masami Kurumada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masami_Kurumada)
Hiro Mashima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiro_Mashima)
Kōichi Mashimo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dichi_Mashimo)
Katsuji Matsumoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsuji_Matsumoto)
Leiji Matsumoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiji_Matsumoto)
Hayao Miyazaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki)
Shigeru Mizuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Mizuki)
Hideko Mizuno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideko_Mizuno)
Shinji Mizushima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinji_Mizushima)
Daijiro Morohoshi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daijiro_Morohoshi)
Tadao Nagahama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadao_Nagahama)
Go Nagai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Nagai)
Shinji Nagashima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinji_Nagashima)
Daisuke Nishio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisuke_Nishio)
Eiichiro Oda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiichiro_Oda)
Tsugumi Ohba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsugumi_Ohba)
Kyoko Okazaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoko_Okazaki)
Atsushi Ōkubo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atsushi_%C5%8Ckubo)
Mamoru Oshii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamoru_Oshii)
Katsuhiro Otomo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsuhiro_Otomo)
Rintaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rintaro)
Takao Saito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takao_Saito)
Hiroshi Sasagawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Sasagawa)
Junichi Sato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junichi_Sato)
Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsutoshi_Shimabukuro)
Sanpei Shirato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpei_Shirato)
Masamune Shirow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masamune_Shirow)
Hideaki Sorachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideaki_Sorachi)
Gisaburō Sugii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisabur%C5%8D_Sugii)
Shigeru Sugiura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Sugiura)
Suihō Tagawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suih%C5%8D_Tagawa)
Kazuki Takahashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuki_Takahashi)
Rumiko Takahashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumiko_Takahashi)
Isao Takahata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isao_Takahata)
Hiroyuki Takei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Takei)
Naoko Takeuchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naoko_Takeuchi)
Osamu Tezuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osamu_Tezuka)
Yoshihiro Togashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Togashi)
Yoshiyuki Tomino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiyuki_Tomino)
Akira Toriyama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_Toriyama)
Yoshiharu Tsuge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiharu_Tsuge)
Kazuo Umezu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazuo_Umezu)
Naoki Urasawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naoki_Urasawa)
Yoshito Usui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshito_Usui)
Nobuhiro Watsuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobuhiro_Watsuki)
Yoshikazu Yasuhiko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshikazu_Yasuhiko)
Year 24 Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_24_Group)
Mitsuteru Yokoyama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuteru_Yokoyama)
Akimi Yoshida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akimi_Yoshida)
Tatsuo Yoshida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatsuo_Yoshida)
Fandom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_and_manga_fandom)

Conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_convention) (list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anime_conventions))
Clubs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_club)
Cosplay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosplay)
Anime music video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_music_video)
Otaku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku)
Yaoi fandom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi_fandom)
General

Omake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omake)
Terminology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_anime_and_manga)
Iconography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_iconography)
Anime and Manga Portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Anime_and_Manga)

v (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Anime_and_manga)
t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Anime_and_manga)
e (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Anime_and_manga&action=edit)
Anime (Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language): アニメ? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets), [a.ni.me] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Japanese) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Speaker_Icon.svg/13px-Speaker_Icon.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anime.ogg) listen (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Anime.ogg)); http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Speakerlink-new.svg/11px-Speakerlink-new.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/En-us-anime.ogg)i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En-us-anime.ogg)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɨ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)eɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) or / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɑː (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɨ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)eɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)) are Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) animated productions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation) featuring hand-drawn or computer animation. Anime includes animated television series, short films and full-length feature films.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-1) The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation)" in Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language). In English, the term is defined as a Japanese-disseminated animation style (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_(aesthetics)) often characterized by colorful graphics, vibrant characters and fantastic themes.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-Lexicon-3) The intended meaning of the term sometimes varies depending on the context.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#cite_note-4)
While the earliest known Japanese animation dates to 1917, and many original Japanese animations were produced in the ensuing decades, the characteristic anime style developed in the 1960s—notably with the work of Osamu Tezuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osamu_Tezuka)—and became known outside Japan in the 1980s.
Anime, like manga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga), has a large audience in Japan and recognition throughout the world. Distributors can release anime via television broadcasts, directly to video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_video_animation), or theatrically, as well as online (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_net_animation).
Both hand-drawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_animation) and computer-animated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_animation) anime exist. It is used in television series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_series), films (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film), video (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video), video games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_games), commercials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercials), and Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet)-based releases, and represents most, if not all, genres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre) of fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction). As the market for anime increased in Japan, it also gained popularity in East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia) and Southeast Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia). Anime is currently popular in many different regions around the world.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Modernanime.jpg/483px-Modernanime.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Anime_cell_1917.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Momotaro%27s_Divine_Sea_Warriors-screeny.JPG

Anime production outside JapanEven domestic animation industries had made attempts at emulating anime. Anime-influenced animation refers to non-Japanese works of animation that emulate the visual style of anime.[71] Most of these works are created by studios in the United States, Europe, and non-Japanese Asia; and they generally incorporate stylizations, methods, and gags described in anime physics, as in the case of Avatar: The Last Airbender.[72] Often, production crews either are fans of anime or are required to view anime.[73] Some creators cite anime as a source of inspiration with their own series.[74][75] Furthermore, a French production team for Ōban Star-Racers moved to Tokyo to collaborate with a Japanese production team from Hal Film Maker.[76] Critics and the general anime fanbase do not consider them as anime.[77][3]

Yet, as anime became widespread, the prospect of producing anime beyond Japanese borders is still debatable.[3] However, a series dubbed as the "Middle East's First Anime Show" is currently in production.[78]

[DeadmanWonderland]

Anime: a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality. This is a definition I found, even if I disagree with the futuristic setting portion. Still a cartoon though.
"Anime is a cartoon, made in and written by Japanese."


Hence "Japanese-style." That's why I said it's new to me that only Japan makes anime.
Clayton made a lot clearer though. "Yet, as anime became widespread, the prospect of producing anime beyond Japanese borders is still debatable. " Anime-influenced animation refers to non-Japanese works of animation that emulate the visual style of anime. Most of these works are created by studios in the United States, Europe, and non-Japanese Asia.

[Anime Forum]

Hence "Japanese-style." That's why I said it's new to me that only Japan makes anime.
Clayton made a lot clearer though. "Yet, as anime became widespread, the prospect of producing anime beyond Japanese borders is still debatable. " Anime-influenced animation refers to non-Japanese works of animation that emulate the visual style of anime. Most of these works are created by studios in the United States, Europe, and non-Japanese Asia.

I do what I can on 3ds internet lol.

[RainyDayMan]

Japanese Animation, Japanese graphic Novels revolving around Japanese Animation that either came before or after, live Action Japanese Films based on Japanese Animation, et cetera.

[Sky Hedgehogian Maestro]

Because that defines what anime actually is. I don't care, stop jumping to assumptions. No one is dissing American cartoons.

I always felt it an interesting discussion, mainly since I happen to be around— for a god bit of time— several people who were indeed "anime elitists" and thought that even the highest caliber Western animation doesn't deserve to even consider thinking in the direction of the lowest of the low anime, and that Americanime and like Animesque stuff is the worst of them all because now it's not even taking what little motes of pride they could in being Western "kiddy cartoons" but instead trying and failing to shamelessly copy something of an obviously superior quality that they had no hope of even coming close to matching in quality.
Something around those words, I've kinda changed them a tad bit according to what I remember.

Yeah, I never really... 'associated' with them too much, but their opinion on Anime vs Cartoons was extremist to say the least. For a while, I had it pegged that all anime fans were like this, until about 2 years ago when I discovered that there are, indeed, anime fans who love Western cartoons.
And I too wondered what was the real difference between anime and cartoons.
Now I just accept that 'anime'=animation from Japan. Cartoons=everything animated. Including anime, but usually referring to Western animation. Western cartoons= animation from the west.
What's so hard to grasp? In reality, there's no magical barrier separating Japanese anime from Western animation. That, once you cross it, animation suddenly improves or deteriorates. The only reason why Western animation tends to be lower qual than anime (in terms of story, characterization, etc.) is because they are from the West. Which, as I've stated before, is still caught by something called the Animation Age Ghetto.
Generally, the West prefers that cartoons be comedic. Generally, in the West, comedy-based material is most successful when episodic. Thus, there was no need to develop characters. Just draw up a template, put 'em in wacky situations, and boom= cartoon. Because of the episodic nature, there was no need for depth. So 'Cartoons' evolved their own way.

In Japan, this didn't develop and over-arcing storylines became normal in their animation. Because 'slapstick goofiness, a lack of any characterization or development, and asinine plots' doesn't really work well in a serial, it was only natural that anime developed differently than cartoons. Anime evolved its own way.
One went with the episodic format, and the other went with serials. This fundamental difference is what made the two so unalike.

In the West, thanks to the Animation Age Ghetto, anime hit very hard. All of a sudden, it became possible— now almost even the norm— to have storylines that last more than one episode, and for there to be extensive character development. We simply didn't see this in cartoons beforehand. Whereas in the East, episodic and serial cartoons intermingled.
Because Western animation's depth evolution has been retarded in this respect (and it may take awhile to catch up), anime took root in the West and such 'Anime elitists' came about.

Now that anime has influenced a full generation of Westerners, it was only a matter of time before 'Animesque' works were developed. As we've noted, there still exists differences. Almost all animesque stuff is still Ghettoized. There's been little attempt at making a true-to-form Japanese anime, without all the Western ideals of "humor always" and "use the tropes."
In fact, I haven't even seen an anime-inspired work that looks totally like contemporary anime. Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Code Lyoko, Avatar: The Last Airbender— all put their own spin on the basic art style. There hasn't been a popular Western show that looks utterly indistinguishable from a typical anime. But, as I predict, there will be. Soon.
And when such happens, this argument will begin again.
Before the anime boom, it was easy to tell what was and wasn't anime because of the stylism. Now that American/Canadian/Western Japanophiles are growing up (and money-minded animators realize the market), as aforementioned, we'll have to remind ourselves that the only thing separating Western animation and Japanese anime is...
WESTERN as to JAPAN.
You could make an show that looks and plays out exactly like Bleach in all respects, even the names, but if it was made in New York... it's not anime.
Just animesque. Of course, that dastardly '-esque' suffix is the problem, because it assumes that nothing that's not anime will ever be exactly like anime, even if the show in question is anime to a point without being from Japan.

I also believe that, because of such purists and the ghetto itself, the word "cartoon" has been tainted by connotations. 'Anime' carries the idea of interesting characters drawn in an awesome, stylized manner with deep stories and epic events, watchable regardless of age (or even not meant to be watched by children). That is, when it's not 'Japanese porn'.
'Cartoon' automatically makes everyone think 'children's comedy' or 'stupid vulgar stuff for immature men.' It's natural that some people would want to not be labeled 'cartoon.'
Think of comics. Comic books even sound like they're supposed to be "comical." (Not intended, but that's what happened). So how do you get people to take you seriously?
"Graphic novel." Dude, it's a comic... but it's called a 'graphic novel', so it sounds more mature. 'Graphic' carries images of violence or mature content, asides from 'pictures' and 'drawings.' You get two in one. 'Novel' sounds mature in and of itself.
Graphic novel = comic book. Same difference. Both words of each phrase means the same at the end of the day, but the connotations are different.
Same in anime vs cartoons. How can you justify watching Avatar and being 25 years old in a nation whose collective tolerance of cartoons hasn't gotten past Scooby Doo and the Flintstones?
"It's an anime."
"Oh, anime. Yeah, that crap..." And they just shake their heads and know "anime isn't for kids, but..."
And that's just the basics of it.

Of course, Avatar isn't anime but I believe we've made that perfectly clear by now.
Is it about style? Hell no. It really is about location. This can backfire on anime purists because ask yourself this.
What if a cartoon... let's use this one, a modern classic
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDKXQ_VL6pp7TIff4OvrxpNSwGapB2n sgj80DrJQ23qellc4bxag
What if this show were made entirely in Japan? But it doesn't change much? The animation is the same. There are no extra cuts. No exaggerated camera angles. Japanese voice actors, maybe, but besides that, there are NO æsthetic changes, not even to the music.
It's anime... but how!? Some anime fans scream. The characters fuck up all proportion! The girls aren't sexy! Er... the characters don't have huge eyes and make chibi expressions! How can this be anime?
Because it's from Japan, man! It's an animated show from Japan. AKA, anime. Style doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. When you speak of anime, you speak of Japanese cartoons. You might have to use an animation that doesn't follow "traditional" anime tropes to understand this.

Now, manga? I think I'd accept that there is a manga style as opposed to comics (since the two haven't mixed like anime and cartoons) and that manga can be produced worldwide, but I'm not sure. And further complicating this is that, as I said, personal styles may differ.
Teen Titans's style looks a lot different from Baccano or Fullmetal Alchemist. If they had gone 'Full Anime', then it could have been more confusing and more worthy of debate.

Man, did I ramble! Sorry about that.

[RainyDayMan]

I think it's more about style, not where it's made. That's a bit racist. There are too many line crossings like America like Empowered (whose creator also worked on Dirty Pair), Ninja Highschool (whose creator was Japanese but living in California),

Tell me about Ninja High School. It sounds familiar. Was it sexy? Was it a comic Book?

[Clayton_n]

Tell me about Ninja High School. It sounds familiar. Was it sexy? Was it a comic Book?


Ninja Highschool was an American produced manga a decade or two back made by a Taiwanese imigrant names Ben Dunn.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/Ninja_High_School_100_poster.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/The_Ninja_High_School_Cast.jpg



Other examples of American Manga artists would be Adam Warren and of course Megatokyo's Piro/Fred Gallager.



http://bilderundworte.de/bundles/bilderundworte/uploads/catalog/product/4001/item4368.1.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs21/f/2007/252/a/f/EMPOWERED_3__s_cover_colors_by_AdamWarren.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/Megatokyo_vol1_1st_edition.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6trgM_tp4Tg/TF7BJHvFDdI/AAAAAAAAArE/7lLp56_UESI/s1600/megatokyo3.jpg

[RainyDayMan]

Ninja Highschool was an American produced manga a decade or two back made by a Taiwanese imigrant names Ben Dunn.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/Clayton_n/Ninja_High_School_100_poster.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/The_Ninja_High_School_Cast.jpg



Other examples of American Manga artists would be Adam Warren and of course Megatokyo's Piro/Fred Gallager.



http://bilderundworte.de/bundles/bilderundworte/uploads/catalog/product/4001/item4368.1.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs21/f/2007/252/a/f/EMPOWERED_3__s_cover_colors_by_AdamWarren.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/Megatokyo_vol1_1st_edition.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6trgM_tp4Tg/TF7BJHvFDdI/AAAAAAAAArE/7lLp56_UESI/s1600/megatokyo3.jpg

Sexah!

[DeathBlade/13.666]

Clayton_n Dirty Pair is an anime/manga. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Pair The comic that you linked was a recent remake by Dark Horse Comics. Those comics are done by Toren Smith and Adam Warren, but the original novels were created by Haruka Takachiho and Yoshikazo Yasuhiko and the manga was made by Haruka Takachiho and Hisao Tamaki. Not to mention the old Dirty Pair and Dirty Pair Flash are animes as well. Though they were licensed by the Americans and Canadians, they were produced and directed by the Japanese.

[Clayton_n]

How about "Nightschool"?

http://precur.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/nightschool3.gif

http://www.readaboutcomics.com/images/2010/020310_nightschool02.jpg

http://crplteen.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/svetlana.jpg

[Ωmega]

............this is seriously still a thing?

Clayton already agreed its all based on Disney. Hes just trolling now. Best to just ignore him

[DeathBlade/13.666]

............this is seriously still a thing?

Clayton already agreed its all based on Disney. Hes just trolling now. Best to just ignore him
Technically it should be based on Japan. But eh, the argument is dumb and lost. If they can't get over it too bad.

[Ωmega]

Technically it should be based on Japan. But eh, the argument is dumb and lost. If they can't get over it too bad.
Japan jacked the Disney style of big eyes, which he agreed with.

So the fact that hes still going on about what is "anime" and how we're stealing the "anime" style is retarded, because hes already agreed they stole it from us, so realistically American cartoons now are just stealing a style from the Japanese who stole it from Disney....so...we're stealing an art style from our biggest animation studio.

[Anime Forum]

This is STILL going on!?..

[DeathBlade/13.666]

Japan jacked the Disney style of big eyes, which he agreed with.

So the fact that hes still going on about what is "anime" and how we're stealing the "anime" style is retarded, because hes already agreed they stole it from us, so realistically American cartoons now are just stealing a style from the Japanese who stole it from Disney....so...we're stealing an art style from our biggest animation studio.Honestly... Everything's jacked from everyone. Every artist has a style they develop whether it's from free-hand, tracing, or copying various other styles that they enjoy. Even down to the ol' Political cartoons. But you are right, it's a moot point regardless.

[Clayton_n]

I think Dramacon put it best when this argument came up in volume two.


"By your logic pizza isn't really pizza unless it's made in Italy by Italians."

[Clayton_n]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSnBnne9Vms