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GameGeeks
11-20-2012, 06:55 PM
Yeah, once again more bullshit from the government. Goes to show they want to kill the Bill of Rights.

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants-191930756.html

animeyay
11-20-2012, 07:15 PM
I am hopeful that this proposal would fail.
What the hell was he thinking anyway?!

GameGeeks
11-20-2012, 07:20 PM
I am hopeful that this proposal would fail.
What the hell was he thinking anyway?!
Same thing for every bill like this, money.

Yuuchun
11-20-2012, 08:26 PM
Hasn't the government being doing this for a while?

Xeyuzio
11-20-2012, 08:43 PM
Hasn't the government being doing this for a while?

Only if they have warrants...

Question: Can the government read through our regular mail without warrants?

I have anything interesting/something to hide so I could care less, but it still kind of weird, I don't like the idea of the government reading what our (what should be) private e-mails, it's just going to make a lot of people paranoid.

AnimeBboy
11-20-2012, 08:55 PM
Just one more thing on the long list of things the government wants to control

dinochan
11-20-2012, 09:00 PM
I don't have anything to hide, but i don't want them in my email, or tracknig my phone, or anything of the sort! That is waayy to far in my opinion! I don't even let people in my room!! why would i want them snooping through my email, I can see some one getting board and reading it for fun!!!!!! This better not pass!!!!!!!

Yuuchun
11-20-2012, 09:01 PM
Well even if the government can read our email without a warrant...it would still be tantamount of work to do which would leave most emails unread or at least for a long time unread by the government. So in the end, at least I think, the government will only read your email if you become a person of interest which they would most likely have a warrant? I don't know how the government would get to reading everything that goes on in the emails and determine which ones should be targeted and etc.

nrL
11-20-2012, 09:10 PM
Well even if the government can read our email without a warrant...it would still be tantamount of work to do which would leave most emails unread or at least for a long time unread by the government. So in the end, at least I think, the government will only read your email if you become a person of interest which they would most likely have a warrant? I don't know how the government would get to reading everything that goes on in the emails and determine which ones should be targeted and etc.

give in even a little and they want more, and more, and more

Yuuchun
11-20-2012, 09:45 PM
I wasn't saying we should give in....I am just saying that I think its physically impossible to read all emails to where its efficient.

GameGeeks
11-20-2012, 11:38 PM
Well even if the government can read our email without a warrant...it would still be tantamount of work to do which would leave most emails unread or at least for a long time unread by the government. So in the end, at least I think, the government will only read your email if you become a person of interest which they would most likely have a warrant? I don't know how the government would get to reading everything that goes on in the emails and determine which ones should be targeted and etc.
There's also racial profiling. A group like the NYPD would abuse this to spy even more on the Muslims they're already unlawfully tracking.

Yuuchun
11-20-2012, 11:45 PM
There's also racial profiling. A group like the NYPD would abuse this to spy even more on the Muslims they're already unlawfully tracking.

Well~ Doesn't an already existing law allow the government to do something similar to that? 1867 National Defense Authorization Act...I think along the lines that if you are suspected of being a terrorist and what not basically the government can throw the bill of rights out the window. Although I think that is restricted to illegal aliens? I am not sure either way I am sure stuff like that has been happening for ages...

GameGeeks
11-20-2012, 11:51 PM
Well~ Doesn't an already existing law allow the government to do something similar to that? 1867 National Defense Authorization Act...I think along the lines that if you are suspected of being a terrorist and what not basically the government can throw the bill of rights out the window. Although I think that is restricted to illegal aliens? I am not sure either way I am sure stuff like that has been happening for ages...
Not positive, but even if there is this would allow them to legally do their currently illegal activity.

Yuuchun
11-21-2012, 12:03 AM
Either way our government is becoming the very thing our founding fathers were running away from.

OminousCloud
11-21-2012, 12:45 AM
Pretty sneaky changes in there from the original proposal. It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not, you should be entitled to privacy. Big Brother is watching.

DOOM!
11-21-2012, 12:14 PM
They'll probably be preparing to make anal cameras mandatory, too. And they're getting so desperate about it.

marvel_phoenix
11-21-2012, 12:56 PM
They should be more concerned about fixing the financial state of this country insread of what goes on through our emails. But then again when the Entertainment empires start screaming than the government has to jump. Gods forbid Tommy should email a torrent link to Billy...

.:neuko:.
11-22-2012, 01:22 PM
Considering the effectiveness of the "ILOVEYOU" computer virus that was executed back in 2000, I can see this bill motivating hackers to create similar viruses against the US government should this bill be passed. Maybe when then they suffer another $5.5billion loss in damages for opening infected emails, they might reconsider the real costs of playing God through the Internet.

Hanamaru Kunikida
11-22-2012, 10:53 PM
There goes my porn subscription.

Xeyuzio
11-22-2012, 11:30 PM
There goes my porn subscription.

And what exactly do you think the government is going to do that, tell the entire world?

Hanamaru Kunikida
11-23-2012, 01:31 AM
And what exactly do you think the government is going to do that, tell the entire world?

It was satire. O_o

Still it's private stuff that no one needs to know,

/srsbns

GameGeeks
11-23-2012, 01:39 AM
It was satire. O_o

Still it's private stuff that no one needs to know,

/srsbns
Yet the government wants to.

Hanamaru Kunikida
11-23-2012, 02:08 AM
Yet the government wants to.

They want to know what porn websites people fap to, I guess.

Ranshiin
11-23-2012, 03:31 AM
They want to know what porn websites people fap to, I guess.
And what illegally-acquired porn 'DVDs' they torrent, too.

GameGeeks
11-23-2012, 10:25 AM
Eh, these days, you don't need to torrent porn. Sites gladly give enough of a "teaser" to get the job done.

Maki the contractor
12-01-2012, 08:58 AM
The government is just too much for me. I don't like what they're trying to do...do we not have freedom anymore

wolfgirl90
12-01-2012, 11:23 AM
The government doesn't want to read my e-mail. Other than school stuff, the rest is sex, violence, and cookies (which is a code word for sex).:)

Kusuke
12-01-2012, 12:31 PM
Well~ Doesn't an already existing law allow the government to do something similar to that? 1867 National Defense Authorization Act...I think along the lines that if you are suspected of being a terrorist and what not basically the government can throw the bill of rights out the window. Although I think that is restricted to illegal aliens? I am not sure either way I am sure stuff like that has been happening for ages...

This hits basically where I was going to go with it. The government set the precedent with the revision to the NDAA, which allowed the government to declare ANYONE (citizen or alien) to be a military combatant and hold them indefinitely without due process. Though, this email stuff stems from the SOPA/PIPA (I imagine it might even be the same person) bills. The Supreme Court will overturn this if it gets passed. The Supreme Court has set the opposite precedent, putting them at an impasse most of the time.