Goku vs Superman

[-Raiken-]

This is a common thing. People say who would win, Goku or Superman? Who do you think would win. I say Goku wins hands down but superman could also win so it could go either way. What do you all think?

[~*Nikki*~]

That's like saying Godzilla or T-Rex...

NO COMPETITION!!! Of course, I believe, Superman would probably lose! Then again Goku has his flaws as well, I'm pretty sure that Superman can kick his butt.

[Hideki Motosuwa.]

Goku has too much mercy on people, even villains -.-' Look at his battle with Frieza, he was sooo lenient on him and even gave him some of his energy when Frieza was cut in 4 0_o;;; If Superman could play those same tricks on Goku as everyone else and exploit his greatest weakness(his soft and forgiving heart) then I'd say Superman has a chance But if Goku was merciless, then Superman, prepare to be gone in 5 seconds O_O;;;

[SSDynamite]

Power and strength wise: Goku! hands down!

Though it depends on why their fighting, if superman was an evil villain and had like... killed chichi. then goku would whoop his ***. but goku does have that soft-squidgy side to him that stopped him from killing freiza etc... so if goku just stood there and refused to fight and let superman relentlessly hit him, then yes... goku would be eroded away.

[Lord Tsukuyomi]

If this was a sanctioned match Goku would stomp a hole in Superman. If it wasn't then Goku nor Superman would fight each other because both are too goody goody to fight, maybe if the other was screwing with the Earth in some way then we would have a royal beating cause Goku is so much stronger than Superman. (No freakin' contest)

[Too Tall]

These thread aren't allowed are they?Production Studios already made a movieish thing out of this.

[Kawairashii hikari]

You people are giving Goku tooooo much freakin credit.
I only watched Dragonball when i went over my cousin's house so I know some about Goku. He IS a beast when he wants to be.
BUT...
With all that Superman can do... seriously I think he would crush Goku. Crush him into oblivion and then smash him into little bitty pieces in the dirt. Hmph. *coming from a Superman fangirl here*

[Otosu]

This vs That threads are prohibited, no?

But regardless, I think Goku would totally win. Superman sucks, in my view.

[Sanosuke23]

Pick a Superman. Pre-Crisis, Modern Age, All-Star and Red Son Supes would eat Goku's lunch in a serious fight without question. Kingdom Come and Dark Knight would be closer, but still Supes would pull it out in the end, I think. Golden Age Superman would lose miserably, and I think Post-Crisis Superman and Goku would be about even.

[DarkMoonPrince]

Many will think goku will win, it's kinda obvious because goku can get more powerful in each near death battle.

[Tomoyo01]

I say Goku would win and if he`d need more than 10 seconds to win it would be proven that miracels happen

[Hotscout44]

Goku for sure..... Superman cant really blast power from his hands can he? lol Superman aint got nothing on goku

[Too Tall]

Goku has no weakness except human life.Superman=Kryptonite.

[Sanosuke23]

Originally Posted by Great Teacher Kurosaki

Goku has no weakness except human life.Superman=Kryptonite.

Ah, but Goku wouldn't use Kryptonite. He'd want a fair match.

[Sakurablue]

Originally Posted by Sanosuke23

Ah, but Goku wouldn't use Kryptonite. He'd want a fair match.

Yeah, he wouldn't use kryptonite.
But Goku can do range damage and Superman is more of a hand to hand combat person. Am i right?

[Sanosuke23]

Originally Posted by Sakurablue

Yeah, he wouldn't use kryptonite.
But Goku can do range damage and Superman is more of a hand to hand combat person. Am i right?

You mean aside from being able to exhale gale-force winds and having heat beams come from his eyes? Hell, while Goku's charging anything up Supes'd be able to give him a lobotomy from 100 yards.

But he wouldn't, because Goku's not irredeemably evil and Superman's a boy scout. He'd probably just blind him or set his clothes on fire or something.


Heck, if we go with Silver/Bronze Age Superman, he has Super Hypnosis that he activates just by looking you in the eye. I don't think any of you young people raised almost solely on anime fully grasp how omgwtfhax Superman really is.

[Too Tall]

Originally Posted by Sanosuke23

You mean aside from being able to exhale gale-force winds and having heat beams come from his eyes? Hell, while Goku's charging anything up Supes'd be able to give him a lobotomy from 100 yards.

But he wouldn't, because Goku's not irredeemably evil and Superman's a boy scout. He'd probably just blind him or set his clothes on fire or something.


Heck, if we go with Silver/Bronze Age Superman, he has Super Hypnosis that he activates just by looking you in the eye. I don't think any of you young people raised almost solely on anime fully grasp how omgwtfhax Superman really is.

Keep in mind hardly anyone here has cracked open a comic book.I have,but not much Super Man.I'm Flash.

Superman may be made of steel,but Goku has been known to do massive damage to steel at the tournaments.Goku can run around naked,without it bothering him,hence his childhood.Superman's allies can come to help out,but once the Z warriors come,it's over.Piccolo will start trippin' beams.Vegeta will start trippin' bangs,and Krillin....well,he can babysit Gohan.

[Sanosuke23]

Originally Posted by Great Teacher Kurosaki

Keep in mind hardly anyone here has cracked open a comic book.I have,but not much Super Man.I'm Flash.

Superman may be made of steel,but Goku has been known to do massive damage to steel at the tournaments.Goku can run around naked,without it bothering him,hence his childhood.Superman's allies can come to help out,but once the Z warriors come,it's over.Piccolo will start trippin' beams.Vegeta will start trippin' bangs,and Krillin....well,he can babysit Gohan.

Superman's not "made of steel," it's a catchphrase. He can survive a nuclear explosion with varying degrees of discomfort depending on the time period.

Superman doesn't NEED allies, the only reason the Justice League exists is because Superman is fairly humble and sometimes can't be in seven places at once. You said you read Flash? Have you heard of the Infinite Mass Punch?

Originally Posted by Wikipedia on Speed Force

Infinite Mass Punch - Introduced in Grant Morrison's JLA title, Flash (Wally West), travelling near the speed of light acquired the relativistic mass of such speed to impart blows which could hit with the force of "a white dwarf star", enabling him to knock down such powerful foes as the White Martians with a single punch; Flash's own durability is regulated by the Speed Force in such cases.

Considering people will die in DBZ if they get sent into the sun, I'd say that's going to hurt.

Speaking of suns, Superman can fly through it unharmed. I think it's safe to say his durability is way above Goku's.


As for kids not ever reading comics, why would you match up something you have no idea about?

[Too Tall]

Originally Posted by Sanosuke23

Superman's not "made of steel," it's a catchphrase. He can survive a nuclear explosion with varying degrees of discomfort depending on the time period.

Superman doesn't NEED allies, the only reason the Justice League exists is because Superman is fairly humble and sometimes can't be in seven places at once. You said you read Flash? Have you heard of the Infinite Mass Punch?



Considering people will die in DBZ if they get sent into the sun, I'd say that's going to hurt.

Speaking of suns, Superman can fly through it unharmed. I think it's safe to say his durability is way above Goku's.




As for kids not ever reading comics, why would you match up something you have no idea about?

He also had the ability to run around The Alchemist and cut off his oxygen.

BTW sadly I read some gen.of them.I had to sell some.

[Stu]

I enjoy both characters and collect the comics every month, and Goku would defintely win - we are talking post Dragonball GT right? Though even if it was post Buu Goku, he would still win.

A lot of people note Goku's lack of willingness to fight, and that this might give Supes a chance, but what they forget is that Supes is even more passive. And in fact are partially wrong becasue while Goku enjoys training and fighting (not killing), Supes doesn't need to train as he's a solar battery, and probably enjoys a day out with Lois much more. The fact that he's a solar battery allows him to fly through the sun, it should not be used to judge his standard (average) power level.
Goku's power is way above Superman's.
If you want a challenge then a try a juiced up (solar saturated) Superman or the Silver Age Superman, now that would be an interesting fight.

[TheAsterisk!]

Superman's ability to survive a nuclear blast means little if he can not also produce enough power to destroy Goku. We've seen Vegeta and Nappa, back when Nappa's power level measured at a measly 4000 (whereas Super Saiyan (1) Goku's power level exceeds at least 1000000 (Frieza's boast, remember?)), survive a blast they produced that destroyed a city. I would think that's at least comparable to a small nuclear weapon. As for hollering to produce gale-force winds...that's how Goku threw Chichi out of bounds back in Dragonball, before the ridiculous powerups of Super Saiyan this and Super Saiyan that ever mattered, 'cept he made the wind not with voice but with his fist. Yes, we have seen people fall into the sun and disappear forever, but there is no reason to think they're dead. They could be trapped in the sun's gravity, unable to escape. We have seen that Cooler's head survived, though.
Goku could also make many attempts to kill Superman. Aside from the obvious "He'll eat thousands of senzu beans!" argument, Goku could also just teleport himself to another planet and recuperate, challenging Superman to battle after battle until he wins (and he would eventually win since pummeling a Saiyan just builds 'em up). He could even teleport Superman into space. I'm pretty sure Superman needs air and, if Goku was quick enough about it, he could be back on the ground catching his breath while Superman turns blue in the orbit of one of the universe's distant, populated planets.
Of course, I have no doubt that these arguments are speculative and that others can make arguments as reasonable that Superman would win. This is where I make a seemingly absurd but sound claim.

Lord Slug could defeat Superman with ease. He might lose a few of his minions, but it would be very simple. Before landing on any planet, Slug likes to block out the sun. Apparently, his henchmen have an aversion to it (sunburn, their vampire in-laws, I don't know). If Superman is really just a big photovoltaic & battery, then his power would wane over time. The first few lackeys to attack him would no doubt be destroyed, but he would eventually lose.
Conceivably, Turles's tree of might could accomplish the same thing. As seen in the special, the tree turned the Earth into a wasteland, barren of nearly all natural life. This would lead to dust storms like those that happened in the Dustbowl. This could block out the sun, too, rendering Superman a dead battery.
A Babidi/Yakon fight would also deprive him of the sunlight.
The deadzone would also leave him powerless, but I bet Garlic (and Junior) would let him kill Goku first before pulling him in.
Let's not forget that the sun temporarily seems to disappear when either of the sets of dragonballs is used.

And so we see that while Goku, the greatest hero in Dragonball (Z) (GT), cannot necessarily defeat Superman in a head on brawl, some of the most mediocre movie villains could do away with him with relative ease.

Just so long as Superman doesn't challenge anyone on Namek.

[Stu]

What is Goku's strongest attack comparable to? I always thought is was much more than a nuclear attack?

TheAsterisk!, while you make an interesting argument, you misunderstand Supermans powers. Blocking out the sun will make little diffrence to Superman in a single battle, even if it lasted weeks and the Sun was blocked out. Remember Supes has been living on earth since he was a baby, and so his cells have been absorbing the radiation since then. Apart from the occasional trip to space and draining of his powers, his cells have been replenished.
You have to think of him like any battery. After a charging, they can last a long time before a recharge is required (much more so with Supes). So blocking out the sun, via a dust storm (though he could just fly up above the storm) or anything else will not help.

What (mediocre) villains did you have in mind, apart from those. As I disagree the mediocre ones could take him down easily. I always thought that in a pure brute force battle Goku would win, but then that's what the Justice League is for!
Truth be told they would most likely kick back, fly around for a while, have a chat, save some people from a buring building, shake hands and wish each other well.

[bluewolfjelly]

Originally Posted by DarkMoonPrince

Many will think goku will win, it's kinda obvious because goku can get more powerful in each near death battle.

Yes I think Goku would win.
He is very strong.
XD
♥

[TheAsterisk!]

Originally Posted by Stu

What is Goku's strongest attack comparable to? I always thought is was much more than a nuclear attack?

TheAsterisk!, while you make an interesting argument, you misunderstand Supermans powers. Blocking out the sun will make little diffrence to Superman in a single battle, even if it lasted weeks and the Sun was blocked out. Remember Supes has been living on earth since he was a baby, and so his cells have been absorbing the radiation since then. Apart from the occasional trip to space and draining of his powers, his cells have been replenished.
You have to think of him like any battery. After a charging, they can last a long time before a recharge is required (much more so with Supes). So blocking out the sun, via a dust storm (though he could just fly up above the storm) or anything else will not help.

What (mediocre) villains did you have in mind, apart from those. As I disagree the mediocre ones could take him down easily. I always thought that in a pure brute force battle Goku would win, but then that's what the Justice League is for!
Truth be told they would most likely kick back, fly around for a while, have a chat, save some people from a buring building, shake hands and wish each other well.

I have no clue as to the yield of Goku's strongest attack (or what it'd actually be); I was pointing out that Superman's ability to withstand nukes wasn't special at all.

Well, I can't say I actually expected to win with such claims. I was reaching for anything. I concede on that point.
My teleportation argument still stands, though.
If Superman feels like bringing the Justice League into the picture, Goku will also bring in Piccolo, Vegeta, Krillin, etc.

Out of curiousity (not argument), why does no sun have little affect on Superman where more sunlight instantly powers him up? Shouldn't both effects take a similar amount of time?

[███]

Originally Posted by Stu

A lot of people note Goku's lack of willingness to fight,

Are you sure that you are talking about the same Goku here? He loved to fight.