Bleach - Official Discussion Thread MK2

[Cless Alvein]

The previous thread has been closed due to length, but can still be found here.

Please continue discussions on the Bleach anime and manga here.

[Gjallarhorn]

Sweet! The only "Official" thread in Supernatural to make it to a second part.

Anyway, The RAW for 236 is out, and most groups should have it translated by tomorrow. But, man, I can't wait to see if Urahara finally shows his BanKai. It doesn't look like he has to, but then again, the Arrancar he is fighting has yet to release his zanpakutou. I really want to see Urahara's BanKai....*hopes and dreams*.

[Souhi]

Aww same here man. I've been very anxious to see his Bankai. I'm curious as to what it does...considering he once said it wasn't very well suited to helping others train or something along those lines.

*runs off to find chapter*

EDIT: Dang, no sign of Urahra yet. But looks like Ichigo's got some friends to back him up after all. Kind of a shame to see all that battling to end in a withdrawal, and a bit of shame on the Shingamis' parts. And Grinnjaw's still alive darnit. If only Ichigo could hold onto to that cursed mask for a bit longer.

[Shinigami Ichigo]

Ichigo always gets saved by someone. I wonder when that is going to end.

[Blackwaltz]

Probably when he masters goin Hollow and can do it for more than a few seconds. But dude who knew Hitsugaya rocked so hard? That whole using water from the atmosphere thing was awesome.

[Shinigami Ichigo]

Too bad he still failed to hill the Arrancar he was facing. Another character who needs to seriously own someone soon. Sux though that Inoue is gonna be going through a very difficult situation soon (one can assume).

[Uno_Caste]

Good thing that my prediction regarding Shinji's possible appearance to save Ichigo was right. On the other hand, my bet on Ichigo's victory against Grimm was wrong. He was again saved and get owned in the end. It's 2-0 in favor of Grimm. Well, for sure not maybe, he would be able to control that power in no time and beat the crap out of Grimm in the their next encounter. Come on Ichigo, show your crazy stuff and show some bad*** ownage.xD

[Mugetsu]

I think it is just about a given that next time Ichigo faces Grim he will be at a level where he can own him. But I think Grim got replaced in the Espada, so that means that there are now 10 Arrancar that are most likely stronger than him. So once he gets past Grim there will be someone even stronger waiting

I wonder where Gin & Tousen stand when it comes to power when compared to the Espada. We know Aizen is about Godlike. I wonder if they got much stronger.

[Uno_Caste]

Originally Posted by Mugetsu

I think it is just about a given that next time Ichigo faces Grim he will be at a level where he can own him. But I think Grim got replaced in the Espada, so that means that there are now 10 Arrancar that are most likely stronger than him. So once he gets past Grim there will be someone even stronger waiting

I wonder where Gin & Tousen stand when it comes to power when compared to the Espada. We know Aizen is about Godlike. I wonder if they got much stronger.

I believe that Tousen and Gin got stronger also. Of course as Aizens assitants or primary guards, they should be stronger than those of Aizen's creations. Because if they're weakear than the espadas, how could they make strict orders to them. So, that's it! They're strong, one or two notch lower compared to Aizen, maybe. As evidence, Tousen(for me he's always a crap weak no matter how he gets strong) once ordered Grimm to stop the fight against Ichigo and go back to Hueco Mundo. He even cut Grimm's arm for contradicting orders(correct me if im mistaken)-reads the previous chapters-.

[Krsnik]

I can't wait for the previous Bount story to end. It's honestly just starting to get stupid. Everytime, something new happens, and it just gets worse. They're running out of things to do. Sure, there's no character development. It's starting to feel like I'm watching Naruto, and I don't like Naruto right now. It's about as bad as bleach. The creators are probably talking about their plotlines with eachother, and forming new ways to make us suffer.

I don't read the manga, so I don't know what's going on right now. I do know that Ichigo is a vizard, and I guessed that a looooong time ago. I want to know when the damn fillers will end. Can someone give me a time or date?

[Uno_Caste]

Originally Posted by Krsnik

I can't wait for the previous Bount story to end. It's honestly just starting to get stupid. Everytime, something new happens, and it just gets worse. They're running out of things to do. Sure, there's no character development. It's starting to feel like I'm watching Naruto, and I don't like Naruto right now. It's about as bad as bleach. The creators are probably talking about their plotlines with eachother, and forming new ways to make us suffer.

I don't read the manga, so I don't know what's going on right now. I do know that Ichigo is a vizard, and I guessed that a looooong time ago. I want to know when the damn fillers will end. Can someone give me a time or date?

Here's an info from ANN, the titles of the coming Bleach episodes with their release date.
2006-07-25
90.Abarai Renji, Soul of Bankai!
Abarai Renji, tamashii no bankai! 「阿散井恋次、魂の卍解！」
2006-08-01
91.Shinigami and Quincy, the reviving power
死神とクインシー、よみがえる力
Shinigami to kuinshii, yomigaeru chikara
Shinigami to kuinshii, yomigaeru chikara 「死神とクインシー、よみがえる力」
2006-08-08
92.Enter the World of the Shinigami, Again
Shinigami sekai he no totsunyuu, futatabi 「死神世界への突入、再び」
2006-08-15
93.Assault of the Bounts! Chaos in the Gotei 13 divisions
BAUNTO kyoushuu! Gekishin no Gotei juusan tai 「バウンド強襲！激震の護廷十三隊」
2006-08-22
94.Hitsugaya's Resolution! The Moment of Conflict Approaches
Hitsugaya no ketsui! Gekitotsu no toki semaru 「日番谷の決意！激突の時迫る」
2006-08-29
95.Byakuya Takes the Field! Dance of the Wind-Splitting Cherry Blossoms
Byakuya shutsujin! Fuu o saku sakura no mai 「白哉出陣！風を裂く桜の舞」

Source:www.animenewsnetwork.com

If you notice the title itself gives us a hint with regards to when the Bleach Bounto arc will end. Perhaps we will have to wait until epsiode 95+ or up to 100. However, no one knows if the fillers will stop with the Bounto arc. What if they make another extension for fillers. That would really suck and would dissapoint us, Bleach fans. Let's just hope that Bleach will not go the Naruto way.

[Mugetsu]

I see a lot of people bashing the fillers but I honestly dont think they are THAT bad. Sure we would all like them to get back to the following the manga, but at this point how far do you think they can go before they catch up again? They went from the beginning of Bleach all the way to the end of the Soul Society storyline in a VERY short time. If they start back at the story I honestly dont see them doing too many episodes before they catch back up to the manga again.

The problem is that we are going to naturally compare the quality of the fillers to that of the regular episodes. We are not gonna get the same character developement. Actually, since its a filler we probably shouldnt get any just to maintain the integrity of the story. At least they are trying to give us a decent, continuous story and not some completely random episodes like Naruto.

I appreciate the fact that they are trying to make a different story while not destroying the one they have. So even though we all want them to end maybe we should lay off of them just a little. It could be worse.

But it seems like Bleach Society is dropping Bleach due to the fillers.
Comments???

[Shinigami Ichigo]

Dropping it? I always just thought they were slower than DB. I am in pretty much total agreement with the statement about the Bleach filler. Personally, I am waiting until they DO start with the story again to actually watch the episodes, but they don't seem too bad. The one continuous storyline is very refreshing after the totally random stuff for Naruto. But, my main theory on the filler is that the creators are using it as a chance to show some of the characters more often (like Hitsugaya, Matsumoto, Kenpachi, etc). I also believe that is the main motivation for Naruto fillers (characters like Kiba, Hinata, etc). So, after this filler Arc, do you suppose they will either go back to the story, or have another filler Arc?

[Scatter112]

My guess is that on any anime when theres a filler arc it tells the stories about all the sub-characters for ex. in naruto. shikamaru, ino, hinata etc and in Bleach. inoue, chad etc. so i guess that they might go back to the story and then go back to the filler or vise versa. no matter what they'll hav the filler there to explain or maybe support the story better to make viewers/reader to understand better that my take to ya.....

Plus i think they should show a/more filler for all the pasts for the 13 capitains in bleach.

[Mugetsu]

I think they are trying to use it as a way to make the audience care more about the supporting characters. Sado does not get much time in the Arrancar arc so far. And when he did get time...he got his tail beat...badly. If memory serves, he was not effective in even the slightest way so far. Just Ichogos friend who is strong for a human but gets his tail whooped EASILY by the big boys. Even in the Soul Society Arc he looked great against the weaker shinigami but against a captain it was just too easy.
I really can't care much about that kind of character. But in the Bounto fillers he has shown a lot more of a personality and he got to be part of a somewhat important battle and came out on the winning side for once. Hopefully this will make people care about him more so that they will feel sympathy for him next time he gets pwnd.

[Uno_Caste]

Originally Posted by Shinigami Ichigo

Dropping it? I always just thought they were slower than DB. I am in pretty much total agreement with the statement about the Bleach filler. Personally, I am waiting until they DO start with the story again to actually watch the episodes, but they don't seem too bad. The one continuous storyline is very refreshing after the totally random stuff for Naruto. But, my main theory on the filler is that the creators are using it as a chance to show some of the characters more often (like Hitsugaya, Matsumoto, Kenpachi, etc). I also believe that is the main motivation for Naruto fillers (characters like Kiba, Hinata, etc). So, after this filler Arc, do you suppose they will either go back to the story, or have another filler Arc?

I really hope so that after the Bounto filler arc, they will go back to the main story, but considering the gap between the manga and anime in terms of releases(one anime would cover three chapters or so in the manga, is it?), then that's still a problem. Chances are yet unsure, but it would be much better and well appreciated if they do go back on track with the original story soon enough for us to sustain and last with the fillers. But, im guessing it's a low posssibilty for now.

[Mugetsu]

Anyone read chapter 240 yet. Its in Japanese so I didn't understand a word but it seems like Aizen is putting Oro's powers to use. He got her to give Grim his arm back. And from what I saw Gim was not happy with that 8 armed Espada that Hitsugya defeated. Actually, it looks like Grim may have killed him for fun lol.

[Souhi]

Translation seems to be out thanks to our friends at Jinchuuriki. It was an interesting chapter. Seems Orihime has the power to infiltrate the domain of God is it? Well I always thought it had to do with time or spiritual restoration, but Aizen seems to believe otherwise. The rejection of events and circumstances...amazing. How will that come into play..I wonder.

Well anywho, has anybody heard the news on the new opening and closing for Bleach? I don't know how reliable the news is, but apparently starting somewhere around episode 105 onwards, can't quite remember, the opening will be "SPLASH" by B'z. Or something along those lines. And the new ending will be "El Mirador" by Nobodyknows. Both pretty good songs. I think we'd grow to like them. Like I said, I can't officially confirm this.

[Mugetsu]

On Bleach 7 they say that they cant confirm the rumor either. For now I will takeit as just that...a rumor.

I gotta get the translation. I hate being in the dark lol.

[Souhi]

Alright, latest chapter, 241 released. Good chapter. Once again, more hinting and teasing at possible events and relationships. For one thing, it seems Ishiin and Ryuken know each other. They share a relationship similar to that of their sons, I can say that much. Well, it was interesting to see. Even some parental criticism to top things off.

Now, the three seem to have arrived in Hueco Mundo, in Las Noches?. With much more ease then I had expected as well. What else...ahh yes, Ishida of course explains his reasoning for helping Ichigo (pretty flimsy loophole if you ask me) and as they arrive...who greets them? We shall wait and see.

Oh and on a side note, I'm very curious as to how much Sado has improved. Just a thought that's been in my mind for the past few chapters.

[Mugetsu]

I was somewhat surprised when I saw Ishin just show up like that. But when you consider just how powerful those 2 probably are it makes sense that they would be aware of each other. I didn't expect them to be on such a...for lack of a better term "friendly" basis.
Getting into Hueco Mundo is easy. What I want to see is how in the hell they get out. I am still not convinced that Sado has a chance against any of the Arrancar much less the Espada. And while Ishda did defeat a captain class opponent in Soul Society, I still have doubts as to whether he can take on any of the Espada. I'm crossing my fingers lol.
I'm not even sure about Ichigos chances. Grim had 1 arm and nearly killed him. He now has BOTH. Can he maintain the transformation long enough to beat him? Plus Grim isn't even the strongest Arrancar. He's 6th!!! There are 5 stronger. Lets not even get into the fact that Gin & Tousen are probably there. Not to mention....Aizen himself. I don't see how the 3 of them can pull it off.
This will be interesting.

[Gjallarhorn]

What I am concerned about is not the situation of Ichigo and crew in Hueco Mundo, but the discovery made by Ichigo's friends, Tatsuki in particular. Tatsuki is my favorite female character in the manga, and I hope this leads to her playing a bigger role in the series.

Now, as for Hueco Mundo, I believe Ichigo will face off with Grimmjaw, but I am still betting on the fact that he has something similar to an adrenaline rush and is able to hold his Vizard form for a longer amount of time, thus resulting in his victory.
I also want to see the extent of Sado's abilities, seeing as his arm got huge when he demonstated to Ichigo. The same applies to Ishida, who must have gained some ability after training with his father.

[der Scharfschüt]

I just watched the first episode of bleach and it looks like a kool show, just wondering if the show gets better, worse, or about the same as the 1st episode

[Souhi]

First episode isn't even a small measure of how good the series gets after a while. Give it a chance, trust me. I'm assuming you were one of the first to watch the dub? Well, anyways it's an excellent anime/manga.

Oh and one thing that's been bothering me a bit for the past few days, concerning the English dub. Am I the only fan paranoid enough to worry that the show may get too popular? It's much too early to say after one episode, but I really hope things don't get overexposed. It could potentially put me off from the whole series.

What else...oh yes. I agree about Ichigo's secret being let out. I didn't put much thought into it (let's face it, Tatsuki, Keigo etc don't get much face time). Odds are this will somehow come into play.

As for manga chapter 242, I've been having troubles getting it (I know it's released). I'll discuss as soon as I've read it.

[der Scharfschüt]

no I missed it on adult swim so I'm watching it today(half way through episode 2 right now lol) well if it gets better then I'm definetly gonna watch the rest of it. thanks for the info