Would have preferred Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura, but now we must wait till 2016 elections...
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Would have preferred Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura, but now we must wait till 2016 elections...
@Eris can you PLEASE close this.
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Apparently, Romney supporters took it pretty hard.
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unless they dabble in politics
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no reason to get defensive! He wasn't talking about you in particular, he was talking about people talking about obama and the other guy post election!
This country is doomed now.
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First, the Republicans already do that. Remember all that police brutality during the Occupy Movements? Or the fact that they can do indefinite detention of US citizens who need not be given trial? Or how about the fact they want to control the female body? Wait, you're probably drooling at the mouth over that one. Yup, sure doesn't look like Republicans are trying to stomp on the Constitution and Bill of Rites. That said, Obama is more then ready to give the Republicans what they want like he did the last four years. If he wasn't he wouldn't be trying to do the grand bargaining when he has all the leverage at the moment.
Wrong Wrong WRONG!
1. OWS protests were done during Obama, not Bush. In fact, a number of them were critical of the Obama administration for providing those "bail outs" to the banks.
2. Not just any random person gets detained by feds like that. The Patriot Act allowed them to do such detentions without warrant when there is sufficient inteligence that shows they are communicating with known terrorists. So if you often are calling many people who are known Al Qaida members, expect a knock on the door from the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security.
3. Republicans aren't trying to control the bodies of women, but rather protect the lives of unborn babies. When an abortion is performed it is not only the mother's body who is effected, but also the baby's body. What about the baby's right to live? Along with the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence is the other founding document of our nation. The Declaration of Independence clearly states we have the rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". When an abortion is performed, you are denying that baby the the right to "life", which is a fundamental right, which is clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence. Yes, the alternative is to deny the mother her right to abort her baby, but rights one has must not be construed to allow a person to violate the rights of another. A mother does NOT have the right to violate her baby's right to life. Currently she does, but that is a mistake.
Last edited by MegaAnimeFan; 11-10-2012 at 11:34 PM.
According to Republicans who believe that, yes, because their agenda is more important than the right to do what she wants with her body.
However, if the baby is not aborted and then grows to maturity, they couldn't care less about the "life" that has been "saved."
Kind of hard to do that when the baby is inside the woman. Therefore, yes, they are controlling the bodies of women by telling them what to do.3. Republicans aren't trying to control the bodies of women, but rather protect the lives of unborn babies.
Last edited by Miss Moonlight; 11-11-2012 at 12:17 AM.
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1. Do you even know what those protests where about? And I never said they where done during Bush. They where protesting the banks and yes the Obama administration. Still like how you put words in my mouth to avoid the brutality comment.
2. And do you really think they wont abuse that power at some point? It goes against the Bill of Rights. Specifically the Fifth and Six Amendment. Beside they already do it with Guantanamo Bay. And yes there are US citizens detained there. You really don't think there aren't innocent people there? If so you need to get your head out of the sand.
3. For the first few weeks there is no life. And with your logic the baby can block the mother's rights but the mother can't block the baby's rights? Where's the sense in that? Oh, that's right you don't have any. And why should I discus morality with someone who's into pedophilia. Especially looking at the pics you've posted in the past. Sorry, not gonna fly. Mother's shouldn't be traumatized by having to have a rape baby. Especially when the rapist still retains custody of the baby. Nor should the mother have to have the baby if it would in some way harm her life. Please try again.
I believe in life beginning at conception. The cells dividing from the embryo (fertilized egg) are a process that is indicative of life. Those cells are alive, and they are human cells (they have the human DNA) so it is human life. The moment the sperm reaches the egg and chemically fertilizes it, something else happens, something that can NOT be scientifically measured. A spiritual/supernatural energy that we call "life" enters the cell, and it becomes alive. By destroying that cell, you are causing a cessation of life. You are literally KILLING a human being. And don't let scientists' and doctors' "legalese" mumbo jumbo about it just being a "fetus" so it's not really human life, confuse you. They just say that to support doctors who perform abortions, to keep them from being charged with murder, as would have to be charged if they admitted the truth that they are in fact ENDING A HUMAN LIFE every time they perform an abortion. Since most scientists don't believe in anything that can't be examined with scientific instruments or calculated with their fancy math equations, they deny the existence of anything that one would consider "spiritual" or "supernatural". But that does NOT mean that such supernatural things don't exist, just because scientists tend to claim that they don't exist. I believe in a supernatural world beyond our capability of detecting from within this world. But I believe that when we die we will see for a fact that there is something beyond our "physical realm". So I believe that every baby aborted is a tragic loss of life, just as if they'd been killed by being beaten to death by abusive parents. Murder and abortion are both senseless killings.
Last edited by MegaAnimeFan; 11-11-2012 at 04:27 AM.
I know you're a troll, but even by troll standards, that's the stupidest thing i've heard in a while.So I believe that every baby aborted is a tragic loss of life, just as if they'd been killed by being beaten to death by abusive parents. Murder and abortion are both senseless killings,
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With Moonlight on that. And still sidestepping my other comments. Probably since you don't have an answer. That said, it's not the governments job to make laws based on religion. The country is based on religious freedom and just because you believe something doesn't mean others do and you shouldn't be forcing your beliefs on others. Or do you just like ignoring the facts? Most republicans in office do and many out. And here's a fact, more and more people are becoming progressive. Many states that where once highly conservative have now become progressive or a swing state. Even Texas is on it's way to becoming a swing state in the next few decades due to it's growing Latino population which is currently sitting near forty percent. And again it's not OK to abort a baby since it's killing it but it is OK to let said baby kill it's mother? But I expect you to ignore most of this so eh.
I don't really disagree with this. I do believe that life begins at conception. As a spiritual person, I think that it is rather cold (or slightly ignorant) to refer to potential life as simply a bunch of cells. When an abortion is performed, a life has has been snuffed out.
HOWEVER, the thing I find more frightening than abortion is the fallout that would occur if the legal option was taken away. Making abortions illegal won't stop people from doing it. Untrained doctors, back-alley abortions, a scared woman with a clothes hanger or a container of drugs. I would much rather have abortions be performed in a safe and sterile environment than out on the street. The procedure for abortions is actually incredibly safe when done by a professional (its actually safer than having the baby itself) instead of a back-alley doctor whose only concern is money.
I would like to see the rate of abortions diminished (1/5 of pregnancies end in abortion...that's way too much), however, I want it diminished with education, counseling, and good old-fashioned contraception.
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This is what happens to trolls who mess with me.
Like wolfgirl pointed out, making abortion illegal won't stop people from doing it. Just like making fast food illegal won't stop people from getting it elsewhere and developing health problems, and just like making smoking illegal won't stop people from actually smoking. All it will do is take away personal choices, make more women likely do to "back alley abortions" and the such, and will make it much harder for women who are raped choose what to do with their body. I don't know what makes people forget that first and foremost, it is their body, not yours or anyone else's.
Imposing your personal agenda/religious beliefs on someone else is never wise thing to do. It is in fact, one of the most selfish things you can do.
Last edited by Miss Moonlight; 11-11-2012 at 01:03 PM.
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Of course you do. You don't have a uterus. You'll never give birth to a child. You have an opinion, and shouldn't everyone be allowed the rights to their own opinions - especially the mothers who are pregnant - to decide when and whether the thing growing inside them is alive or not; after all, are they not the most informed on the subject?
Indicative of life. But not yet human life.
If I inject human cells into a pig - does that make it human? Of course not. Just because something has human cells in it doesn't make it human. People know what a human is when they see it. From a baby to an adult. Especially since somewhere between 50-60 percent of all embryos miscarry. Life begins outside the body. "I think therefore I am," being able to think and interact with the world is what, in my opinion, proves life. So life has to at least begin when a distinct EEG pattern can be detected: since life is thought to end when that is no longer present.
So there's an invisible, undetectable magical force that gives life to things? Does it happen to be both pink AND invisible?
But since it's invisible and magical nobody can see it, or measure it. So how do you disprove such a thing? The only way to measure it is with faith or belief. Unfortunately each person is allowed their own faith and belief. Perhaps instead of decrying science, why don't Christians and other pro-life religions invest their time finding substantial and physical proof to their arguments instead of falling back on fairytales?
I believe that when we die - that's it. Life ceases and our energy becomes something else. There is nothing new in this universe, just a transference of energy, destruction heralding creation. Nothing will happen that hasn't happened before. Life is random. Why do children get miscarried and die when drug dealers and rapists are left to live, unless they get caught?
"I think that if there were a God, there would be less evil on this earth. I believe that if evil exists here below, then either it was willed by God or it was beyond His powers to prevent it. Now I cannot bring myself to fear a God who is either spiteful or weak. I defy Him without fear and care not a fig for his thunderbolts."
- Marquis de Sade
What if a mother was going to die if she gave birth or what if they were raped? You have a very narrow-minded, black and white, one-size shoe fits all view on other people's body that is quite antiquated. You lack the compassion to see past your own beliefs to understand others feelings.
Last edited by Project D; 11-11-2012 at 01:14 PM.
I'm guessing A'la Todd Akin, if it's a "legitmate rape", that's impossible because the human female body has a way of shutting that whole thing down.What if a mother was going to die if she gave birth? What if they were raped? You have a very narrow-minded, black and white, one-size shoe fits all view on other people's body that is quite antiquated. You lack the compassion to see past your own beliefs to understand others feelings.
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