Canada vs. France.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

And don't you think that, being Canadian, your textbooks may have played up Canada's involvement in the war? I'm not calling you a liar, and in my post I EXPRESSLY STATED that my lack of knowledge may just be censorship or whatever on the part of America, I'm just pointing this out.

I seriously doubt that America has any motive to effectively erase large Canadian contributions in the two World Wars. I remember that Canada sent various troops to aid the Allies, but not that they were major players at all. So, LittleGirl, stop acting like Papi and I are calling you guys cowards. I think the French are the cowards.

Canada was an entity whose contributions in the European Theater were on par with Britain in WWII (Dunno about WWI). Frankly, the non-Russian Allies all have over-inflated their worth in Europe. America does deserve a gold star beside it's name for the Pacific Theater, but the only other Allies that even come close are Australia and China and niether were especially valorous.

[Eris]

Canada was an entity whose contributions in the European Theater were on par with Britain in WWII (Dunno about WWI). Frankly, the non-Russian Allies all have over-inflated their worth in Europe. America does deserve a gold star beside it's name for the Pacific Theater, but the only other Allies that even come close are Australia and China and niether were especially valorous.

Canada was a pretty heavily involved in WWI as well, being sort of a quasi-colony of Britain. From what I understand, this experience was pretty motivating in becoming more independent.

[LittleGirl]

OK, I am not trying to start anything. I just found it funny that many people are probably questioning whether Canada was even in the world wars, when they were so involved (since they were still a part of Britain), and the war played such a role in Canada becoming it's own nation. Honestly though, I admit I don't really know anything about America's involvement. All I know is they entered late and that was major in ending the war. My history teacher was British and focused on Europe, and barely let us touch our textbooks since it focused too heavily on Canada. (Like page after page of Vimy Ridge, which was a small part of the first war.)

All this history talk makes me want to retake history, since I forgot so much.

[Sagat]

Battle of Dieppe, Juno Beach, Leeuwarden, Battle of Vimy Ridge.

Just to name a few, if anyone is interested to see what was accomplished by us that no other country could, which I doubt because it's better to remain ignorant. May also want to check out what the German soldiers thought before entering a battle with Canadian soldiers, it just might surprise you.

Every country has something worth bragging about in WW2. In our case, the above are some good examples of how yes, we were in the war, and yes, made big contributions. Contrary to Hollywood history, there was more than one country involved.

And to echo Manhatten, allied countries have over-inflated their worth in Europe, and everyone seems to forget or again remain ignorant of the massive, war winning effort from the USSR.

Was only a matter of time before this degenerated into a pissing contest as nationalism begins to flair up (before a wannabe smart aleck pipes up, my comments above come from anything but Canadian pride). Frankly, I'm surprised people from France (and there must be some on AF) aren't angry over people calling them cowards, also something ignorant and stupid. The French government may have been cowardly, but the people sure weren't.

It's just easier to pop off a claim without ... you know, doing some fact checking, or history reading, beforehand.

Perhaps I should make a topic titled "USA vs China - Who would win?" and sit back as the flame war begins.

[Diocletian]

Battle of Dieppe, Juno Beach, Leeuwarden, Battle of Vimy Ridge.

Just to name a few, if anyone is interested to see what was accomplished by us that no other country could, which I doubt because it's better to remain ignorant. May also want to check out what the German soldiers thought before entering a battle with Canadian soldiers, it just might surprise you.

Every country has something worth bragging about in WW2. In our case, the above are some good examples of how yes, we were in the war, and yes, made big contributions. Contrary to Hollywood history, there was more than one country involved.

And to echo Manhatten, allied countries have over-inflated their worth in Europe, and everyone seems to forget or again remain ignorant of the massive, war winning effort from the USSR.

Was only a matter of time before this degenerated into a pissing contest as nationalism begins to flair up (before a wannabe smart aleck pipes up, my comments above come from anything but Canadian pride). Frankly, I'm surprised people from France (and there must be some on AF) aren't angry over people calling them cowards, also something ignorant and stupid. The French government may have been cowardly, but the people sure weren't.

It's just easier to pop off a claim without ... you know, doing some fact checking, or history reading, beforehand.

Perhaps I should make a topic titled "USA vs China - Who would win?" and sit back as the flame war begins.

Keep in mind AF has a handful of Chinese people and a bunch of darn tootin' beer bootin' patriots.

Luckily, this is not a flamewar, but a sparkwar.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Keep in mind AF has a handful of Chinese people and a bunch of darn tootin' beer bootin' patriots.

Luckily, this is not a flamewar, but a sparkwar.

If this is a Sparkwar, I'm siding with the Decepticons.

[Diocletian]

If this is a Sparkwar, I'm siding with the Decepticons.

Goodluck I have Ironhide, the most American vehicle in the world.

[sa5m]

LOL Are you guys serious? I guess they skipped Canada's part in WWI and II in your high school textbooks...

Yes... in fact they did. Even my world history teacher made a special point of saying that Canada's actions in the World Wars were skipped in our textbooks.

EDIT: Wait, what's this about CHINESE PEOPLE?
<-- Chinese person right here

[Sagat]

If this is a Sparkwar, I'm siding with the Decepticons.

Devastator??

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

Goodluck I have Ironhide, the most American vehicle in the world.

Devastator??

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that given the choice between the side that has large diesel truck and the side that has a M1 Abrams, I'm gonna pick the Tank.

[Capernicus]

This whole thread is getting way out of hand. No one is even discussing the topic anymore. Like I said, the victor of such a war would depend heavily on the circumstances of it, seeing as I'm sure many countries would get involved. But, if left to their own devices, I think Canada would win.

[Amray The II]

This thread reminds me of the good ol' days when I sunk the Bismark!

[K!LLaH]

apology apology apology GOMEN!!

in alaska marijuana is not a drug it's legal. i bleeped myself out so technically i didn't use profanity. i hate having to explain myself...but i'm sorry for the offense i've caused..yet again... please forgive me for not being a rule reader.
you can punch me later i promise..i'll never say another bad word on this site again or make references to the green stuff anymore

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

apology apology apology GOMEN!!

in alaska marijuana is not a drug it's legal.

It's a drug everywhere, and it's legal under Alaska's state laws, but illegal under the national laws that apply to Alaska. Generally speaking, National laws supersede state laws, so it's more the case that no one really cares enough to enforce the national law if the state police refuse. No one cares if you mention Marijuana when it's relevant, but weed has nothing to do with this topic in the least. Unless [Canada/France] has developed Marijuana that gives people superpowers and has been forcing their military to smoke it, I guess.

i bleeped myself out so technically i didn't use profanity.

Site policy says it's pretty much the same thing, although it's something of a shades of gray rule. I imagine in this case the context mattered more then the content itself.

[Mayonnaise-Senpai]

LOL! What kind of question is that? French are more lovers than fighters. So Canada would win. But, I don't care much for either countries.

[Diocletian]

LOL! What kind of question is that? French are more lovers than fighters. So Canada would win. But, I don't care much for either countries.

Actually that's not true at all. There was a whole revolution over the quote "Let them eat cake". That doesn't sound very loving to me.

Plus, this has nothing to do with like or dislike. I dislike the Congo but I'm sure they could put up a fight.

[Yamato-kun]

Well, France has twice the population as Canada.. and a better equipped military, with more advanced aircraft, armour and a larger navy. France would probably defeat Canada, but.. we have the 2nd largest country in the world, so France wouldn't be able to conquer ALL of our territory, and our guerrilla warfare would pwn the French down.

[Sagat]

and a better equipped military, with more advanced aircraft

And you know this because you are in our military? Or the French?

[Yamato-kun]

And you know this because you are in our military? Or the French?

I know by just knowing the weaponry used in each, the French use a more advanced MBT, the Leclerc, more advanced than our outdated (but upgraded) Leopard C1s (though we're getting Leopard 2A6s from the Netherlands), I'm unsure about the French Air Force though.. not sure if they have the Eurofighter Typhoon or not. They do hold a larger and more advanced navy than Canada's own.

Yah' can look it up, mate. It's what I use for writing World War III, Second Cold War and fictional wars in the Middle East and East Asia for my fictional documetnaries. ^^ Then again, tech ain't everything, right?

[blackrosetwilight]

Canada wins with Wolverine!!!!

[Josun Tomoro]

Time for some good old wikipedia fact pull outs:

Canada Active Personal: 65,251

France Active Personal: 259,050

Canada Reserve Personal: 34,678

France Reserve Personal: 419,000

Numbers wise, France wins. France, despite defeat in WWII and the wars of independence, is still a major player. France does also possess the capability of nukes, and seeing Toronto or Ottawa leveled could either make 90% of Canada ready to surrender, or to galvanise them to win the war at all costs.

One has to remember that the devastation of a nuke is not just infrastructure and lives lost. Its also the psychological effect. In the short term, that tends to be the tipping stone.

Of course, once a nuke got used on Canada, the US would immeditaly intervene. It might even send missles at France.

Of course, the future of Nuclear holocaust will be dead in about 10-20 years when all nations have small scale tactical nukes instead of large scale strategic nukes. The goal then will be to destroy the military, not the infrastructure.

This makes me want to open a rp ive done before on other forums... Nations 2010 hehehehe

[Sagat]

I know by just knowing the weaponry used in each, the French use a more advanced MBT, the Leclerc, more advanced than our outdated (but upgraded) Leopard C1s (though we're getting Leopard 2A6s from the Netherlands), I'm unsure about the French Air Force though.. not sure if they have the Eurofighter Typhoon or not. They do hold a larger and more advanced navy than Canada's own.

Our C2's are already on ground. "C" Squadron of the Royal Canadian Dragoons already have them. I know because I was there when they arrived, and sent over the 17 soldiers (affectionately known as the Horsemen) to use them. One is one of my best friends, a tanker by trade, who was more than happy to fill me in on how good the C2 are.

Now that being said, you only mentioned one tank. What about artillery? What about the technology used by infantry? What about our combat engineers and theirs?

Yes, their navy is more than likely more advanced, and not being Air Force I won't hypothesize on the air craft, but I do know that we are getting the new multi role fighters and ships. JSF I believed the aircraft were called. Either way there are plans to acquire air/naval assets which will effectively make our small AF/Navy capable of taking on a large variety of tasks more than its size would normally dictate.

What I will agree with is the technology isn't everything, obviously. What about the quality of our training vs theirs? Or doctrine? Do we produce better officers and more capable NCO's? Are our logistical support networks more efficient? It just goes on and on..

Since we can't answer this (and more than likely, military analysts would argue back and forth over it) there is no point to just throw out a tiny speck of opinion to say which side will win. Not that it will stop people from doing it of course.

But uh.. to fit in better with the average poster in this threadlet me just say that ... errrrrr... umm liek canada wil shot guns and france will use all theyre nukes but dey wont cause thye are lovers not fighters plus i dun know where canada is on a map lol yay democracie

[Josun Tomoro]

lol uber leet pwn noob france canda leet hyper pwnage woot

Seriously, the fact that some went so far to take it seriously is what the lulz of it is. Its still fun the theroize about though :P

[Akito0o]

Canada has five times more people, so they would probably conquer France.

According to Wiki The population of France is 65,073,482 and Canada 33,617,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

[Akito0o]

Canada has done A lot in the past 2 world wars, WWI they were the most feared soldiers by the enemy. Canada would campaign missions that no other country would, and in World war two they did have a strong force On D-day they had there own beaches to take and they took them really fast, (my grandfather been a Victoria Cross winner from that day as the years have gone on Canada has tried to move itself away from spending resources on war. we get a laughed at because our lack of military funding (this coming from some one in the armed forces) but most of our country prides its self on not spending money on war. And our soldiers are very well trained not any less then U.S.A or Great Britain. But in the recent years France has been a leading country in nuclear research, and many special forces training goes on there.so when it comes to who would win im not sure both countries have really pushed them selves away from war in the last 50 years, and France dose have a better military budget then Canada.
Oh and i am Currently stationed in Afghanistan , so hi all from the hottest driest place i have ever been lol.

CPL. Cody Little