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Yeah.. So I might be in the minority, but I can't stand sub. I hate having to read the entire time, and having to look down. I want to see the actual show. You can't tell what they are saying. So it's just a constant garble of noise haha. I will choose dub over sub any day. Now I'm not saying that people who like sub are wrong. I'm just saying it's what I like.
I'm amazed so many people can't read the subs while watching the anime at the same time.
No offense or anything as dubs vs subs come down to preference (subs have better voice acting though), but that excuse makes me wonder if the dub fanbase is made up of slow readers. Doing both at the same time is really easy..
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No they don't. You can't tell the quality of the voice acting since you don't know the language. Meaning you can't tell the acting is bad or not (baring if it's quite obvious such as monotone that's not a character trait). You can just tell when it comes to English since you know the language.
I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese. I may not understand japanese fully(getting a slight better at it though), but you better stop thinking that way because it ruins your argument before it even started. I know all sorts of anime fans who understand Japanese and sticks by subs being better and think MOST dubs are near horrible. Dubs like Cowboy Bebop and Haruhi are really good, unlike most.
Also, just because someone doesn't understand japanese does not mean they are dumb enough to not realize what sounds good to the ears. If you can't then I am sorry, but not everyone is like you or other people who cannot.
Dubs sound really bad for the most part as a good chunk of dubs seem to ignore the character themself and dish out dubs for the fans. Homura from Madoka Magica in dub sounds completely different than what her character should sound like and it makes her become a less interesting character. Though, I'm sure you'll disagree.
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Where's the confusion? You quite clearly stated, "Subs have better voice acting though" right in your post. There's no jumping to conclusions. It's there plain as day. Sounds better I have no problem with. That falls under preference. What I have a problem with is your statement that subs have better voice acting. And I'll counter your Homura comment with Kenshin. In the sub he sounds like a girl, but in the dub he has a much better voice. It works both ways. Now take Slayers, both the sub and dub voices suit Lina. My main point in all this just because it's subbed doesn't mean it's instantly better. To be honest, I've watched more subs then dub since most of the anime I've watched never got a dub. I don't have a preference for one over the other. I've had anime where I've preferred the sub over the dub. I've also had anime where I prefer the dub over the sub. My main issue is people seeming to say things as fact when it all comes down to opinion.
What are you talking about? Its almost like you read my post and decided to change what I meant. You ARE jumping to conclusions thinking people who say subs are better than dubs don't know or understand the language. You've done it twice already. Not even sure why you decided to change my reasoning for saying you jumped to conclusions. This ALMOST made me stop reading your entire reply, but I do consider you a friend and debating is what forums are for. So I continued.
I never watched Kenshi in sub so I can't debate that, but my friend would gasp from that. Though, not really sure TBH.
Opinion? Erm. An opinion is liking dubs if you don't like subs. Though not liking subs and saying subs have worse voice acting than dubs is very different. Some dubs are pretty decent, but most dubs just don't do the anime justice.
I'm not sure how many anime you've compared dub vs sub, but if its under 100 then why are you acting like you know it all? Unlike you though I will avoid jumping to conclusions. How many have you compared without being biased?
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That isn't miss reading anything. Your after isn't referencing that but about people preferring dubs over subs. I can break the sentence down further if you want. You state something you have no way of proving. As for how many I've compared, that doesn't really matter. Lets make a comparison. Magicka, has it's own fake language. You can't understand it but it's fun to listen to. Same with Japanese (unless you do know the language). You don't understand the nuances of the language. Nor how it's used in casual conversation. There's lots of aspects that aren't understood. Something that might sound fine to you might be considered poor by someone who knows the language.
I never said you said that you jumped to conclusions on that sentence though. Putting words in my mouth and changing my reasoning is extremely silly. EXTREMELY. If you continue to change my reasoning on why I said you jumped to conclusions then how am I supposed to take you seriously? I'll move on from that though because you seem out of it and for some reason you think I'm questioning that I wrote subs are better than dubs o_O ....... Cause I did and still stand by that post.
Lol, IT DOES MATTER. How can you form an opinion without knowing the difference between the dubs and subs for anime? What evidence do you have? How can any person say it depends on the taste of the person, but not listen to both versions? That is like saying the US Power Rangers is better than the original WITHOUT seeing the original. It goes against logic and it really makes zero sense. How biased.
Do you get it now? Are you going to change my reasoning on why I said you were jumping to conclusions? Will you please research before debating? Man. If you joined 360a with that argument you'd get destroyed.
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Hard not to come to the conclusion I did when you never said what you thought I was jumping to conclusions about and I haven't put any words in your mouth. To be able to say that I would have to have said you said something you didn't. And it doesn't matter. The same could be said of subs when asking for proof. What proof do you have that subs are better? I never said one was better then the other. Just that one can prefer one over the other. And I gave examples on each end and in the middle. And Power Rangers are a bad example. They use certain scenes from the original but add a lot of their own and have a completely different story. A better example would be say the remake of the Nutty Professor vs the original. And I think the confusion comes from the first sentence of your previous post. I did not at any time say those who preferred subs didn't know the language. I even stated unless you no Japanese. Which can imply I'm talking about the majority that watch subs and say that and don't know the language. Outside Japan the percentage of anime fans that watch subs that know the language is much lower then the ones that don't. And chances are those that do know the language probably watch raw since they know it and don't need the distracting subtitles.
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Not really, everything in it is valid. For example, you asked for proof about about subs vs dubs. After I stated it's all opinion based. And I shot your Power Ranger example down and stated why and provided you a better one. This post just comes off as you not being able to handle someone who wont back down. And I don't think the confusion started on my end. I only ever had issue with you stating subs are better as a fact. That's the only thing I ever had issue with in the initial post.
The confusion didn't start on your end? Way to avoid the proof I offered of your argument being flawed and you attempting to change my reasoning on my post. That in most cases would be the defeat in a debate as taking you seriously would become pretty difficult. You realize that much right?
What proof do I have that subs are better you ask? Other then me listening to both versions and listen to how most dubs love to destroy the image of the character with horrible voice acting and voices that change the intensity of a character. Plus, dubs make no sense most of the time. A great example of this would be the K-On movie dub. There is a part when Mio is talking english (hence the dub) and a person replies to her in english and Mio is confused due to not understanding him. This stems back to the fact that so many anime get poorly executed dubs that make no sense with the story. Have you watched AKB0048 in dub? So much of that makes little sense and most of the voices sounded off. I have ears y'know.
Don't even get me started on the Another dub. Where is the energy in this horror based anime? At least the sub voice overs gave that actual sense they were in fear. Dubs do that so much. NO ENERGY with the roles they get. Some dubs are fine, but for every dub that is fine.. FIVE dubs are not.
Another example. 4kids dub. Holy cow what is this? One Piece has a fantastic sub, why ruin it with that dub? It goes beyond saying that 4kids is TERRIBLE and makes dub overall look worse. I could go on, but those are a few examples of how bad dubs truly are. I do still watch dub (just to compare), but most are just not good and/or confusing. Almost so confusing that at times you have to watch the subs first just to understand what is going on.
I'm down with people liking dubs, but subs are still better and I will not back down on that.
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I love how you jump to conclusions thinking everyone who thinks subs sound better than dubs don't understand japanese.
That is why I said that. I never said that. Point to where I said that. I quite clearly said unless they knew the language. Most don't. I also said I doubt those who knew the language watched subs and stuck to raw.
What proof do I have that subs are better you ask? Other then me listening to both versions and listen to how most dubs love to destroy the image of the character with horrible voice acting and voices that change the intensity of a character. Plus, dubs make no sense most of the time.
That's not proof, that still falls under opinion. Opinion =/= fact. It's just your opinion. As for AKB0048, I haven't seen it period so I can't comment on it. Same goes for K-On. As for 4-Kids, yeah already know they're bad. I wouldn't even use them in a discussion for or against something since they're nothing good about them. And another point, how do you know the sub is an accurate translation. For all you know the text doesn't have any correlation to the voices. No need to debate that since my point is there's so many factors to a language that not knowing it means you can never be certain which is key to my whole debate. With dubs you can be since you know the language.
My comment was towards the other guy and me and how you thought instantly we didn't know Japanese. I know plenty of people who know the language and watch it with subtitles still on. I'm on a xbox party actually once a week that does just that. Ask them why they do it.
Now let me quote your post. Just in case you reply before I finish <-
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How is it my opinion? It isn't like dubs are the first language the anime characters speak in. The voices in Japanese is how they are supposed to be heard as. Of course if you make a character sound lighter / deeper then obviously it destroys the image of the said character. Picture Sponge Bob in another country with a full on deep voice. That voice would make no sense with how the character is supposed to be shown. When a character like Homura (Madoka Magica) who is supposed to sound tough and almost scary, gets a really light sounding dub.. you cannot take that seriously. It completely changes the character and who they are and voices are a huge role in building a character. That is not an opinion, but a clear fact.
Did you really group "dubs make no sense" as an opinion? How is the K-On movie example an opinion? Do you need more examples?
Not all subs are fully accurate, but for the most part they are.
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proof btw.
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It's your opinion since you don't know the language and thus can't tell if the voice acting is good or bad. You can guess but guessing doesn't lead to fact. It's folly to think that just be cause it's the native language that it's better. It's not. It's not about more examples. It's about you not being able to make a fully educated guess when it comes to the language. Facts can only be had when there's concrete proof. That's not possible when it comes to media. Media is ALL opinion based. That Shakespeare play, guy one loved it so it must be fact that it's good while guys two, five and six hated it and must instantly be wrong. That's basically how you're coming off. As for the voice example with Spongebob, then what about Goku? He sounds like a girl. Does that mean it fits his character? No, most will say the English one does. Or Kenshin who definitely sound much more effeminate in the sub. But even these are just my opinion. Like I said, my main issue is you claiming your opinions as fact when they're just your opinion. And how is that last bit proof? I've been saying that same thing this entire time. It's proof I said it but it's still your opinion on whether you think it's right or wrong.
I'm with you bro. I will watch a sub if I have to, but I prefer dubs. I enjoy just understanding what is being said. As for the slow read bit, I am a slow reader, which does have an effect on my preference. Also, saying subs have better voice acting is subjective.
Sigh. How about this? We could go on like this for four pages (because honestly its been the same thing for the entire page). I do think I'm right, but I am in no position to change your opinion. Same goes for you. How about we agree to disagree? It doesn't seem like any of us will budge and I've been in this debate so many times that it got sorta old.
I'm not giving up nor does this mean you are. I just see this going on for four more pages and that isn't fair to the OP.
So how about it?
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That's my whole point, nothing in these discussions should ever be stated as fact. Atoms are a fact, acting performance is an opinion. It's that which irks me. I can't stand it when people go around stating opinions as facts. Because they're not, they're just opinions. Pretty much what I was trying to say the whole time.
When they try to emulate too much too the japanese instead of finding fitting voices for the characters into english, then it will sound strange into English dub. Either it will be cheesy or just not work out, like high pitched voices. Unless you are a kid and they don't really have that high pitched compared to Japanese. Just saying
Btw, Fairy Tail seems like a Stupid Tale, never seen it. But if i want to see clowns fighting, then i'd just search a youtube clip of two guys dressed up as one while fighting lol.
Last edited by Ohyeah; 01-17-2014 at 02:52 AM.
many of the english dubs suck because things get lost in the translation.
i make my own dubs and after doing a half a season's worth i can say that it comes down to the writers. instead of trying to directly translate the script, writers should try to create a new script that can be understood by the audience. some japanese culture does not translate well and vice versa. english, especially american english, dubs should be american, culturally speaking.
the dubs i make are aimed at the hiphop community and african american community. so i use terms and cultural references that make sense to that demographic. they dont usually fit the original plot lol but thats okay i guess hahahaha.
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I never said I couldn't read and watch at the same time. I said I don't like to, or rather that I, "hate" to haha. I just don't want to read anything. I want to spend 100% of my time enjoying the show. I don't want to have to look down to try and figure out what that person is talking about. If I wanted to read I would have bought the manga. Also, no matter how fast you are at reading. You are still going to miss something when you look down to read the text. Even if it's just a second.
Also, I think the voice acting is just a matter of opinion. You are never going to turn someone from one side to another. I enjoy dub voice acting more then sub. I'm sure others do too. Others enjoy sub more than dub. No one is more right than the other.
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