Gay Marriage Legalized in Iowa

[Shinn Kamiyra]

The real problem? If there is a real problem it is that everyone doesn't value the same thing because that's what controversy stems from. We all have different values and no debate, despite how logical, is enough to change them, because we don't hold these values for logical reasons.

Indeed. 'Tis one of humanity's greatest proverbial double-edged swords.

[Rem Nightfall]

The real problem? If there is a real problem it is that everyone doesn't value the same thing because that's what controversy stems from. We all have different values and no debate, despite how logical, is enough to change them, because we don't hold these values for logical reasons.

Well you hit on the mark right there. Take religion out of it, pretend it doesn't exist right now. Even without religion, we would still have controversy. What is comfortable to some isn't comfortable to others. And that level of comfort births controversy.

[Standartenführer]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...urce=a-section

Wait, isn't marriage a religious union?

[Gjallarhorn]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...urce=a-section

Wait, isn't marriage a religious union?

Marriage had nothing to do with religion until the Church wanted control over in like the 14th or 15th century, and although it is often overseen by religious officials, it does not, technically, have anything to do with religion. It is a pledge between two individuals that is recognized legally.

Also, you do realize that is The Onion, right? Not an actual news source?

[Diocletian]

Ya know Gja, I grew a little bit today. I grew by not blatantly ridiculing the person for using the fakest new source ever as evidence.


Unless that was meant to be...which I don't believe so...

[Gjallarhorn]

Ya know Gja, I grew a little bit today. I grew by not blatantly ridiculing the person for using the fakest new source ever as evidence.


Unless that was meant to be...which I don't believe so...

Actually, I was just making sure he knew that The Onion isn't a new source. Thanks for the snide remarks, though.

[Diocletian]

Actually, I was just making sure he knew that The Onion isn't a new source. Thanks for the snide remarks, though.

I was actually helping you, just by adding some extra voiceover commentary. I was just making sure that the person never does the same mistake again.

You never EVER forget your mistakes. Best part is mistakes are gratis.

[Capernicus]

How odd this thread blew up while I was at work.

To Miss Moonlight and, to a much higher degree, Rem Nightfall: please, just stop it. I'm so very tired of every gay thread starting a flame war. Did either of you ever stop to wonder why I made the thread? It wasn't so that Maru or any of the other misc mods could close it down for flame baiting and other miscellaneous rule-breaking. It wasn't even meant to debate whether gay marriage should be legal or not! I was to report on the oddity of Iowa accepting gay marriage and speculate on whether or not it will spread to other states (as is the case in Vermont). As a member of the gay community, I would like to speak on behalf of us all and ask you not to "help" us. I think Piper agrees with me (though he didn't say it).

To Wio: just face it, not everyone is as analytical and logical as you. And really, you're a little in the wrong (not to mention unrealistic) to expect them to. It would be nice if people would stop and really think about why they believe the things they do, but it's not likely to happen. And, it annoys people when you do it.

To strumpet: you know what, you're sick. You are the equivalent of stubborn white supremacist in the deep south during the 50s. "I don't care for gay marriage as long as they keep it away" sounds an awful lot like "I don't care if black people go to my school as long as they can't use the same bathroom/drinking fountain/swimming pool as me".

Yeah, I went there Dio. I can't help that I'm still bitter that African-Americans in California voted overwhelming for the ban against gay marriage. Thus, my little side comment on reparations. (You'll be glad to know that I'm also bitter towards senior citizens, who also voted overwhelming for the ban.)

And for the record, gays are just like everyone else. Most are not going to hit on you if you obviously don't want the attention. Also, most do not like public displays of affection (ie making out). It's amazing how some people are ignorant enough to think these things. We're human, not a whole other species.

[Mmmmmmmmmm]

I expected either way he would disagree with me.

I didn't agree with the way you were doing it.

To strumpet: you know what, you're sick. You are the equivalent of stubborn white supremacist in the deep south during the 50s. "I don't care for gay marriage as long as they keep it away" sounds an awful lot like "I don't care if niggers go to my school as long as they can't use the same bathroom/drinking fountain/swimming pool as me".

Uh, I'm not nowhere near that, and you shouldn't accuse anyone of that---that's just wrong. I don't agree to gay marriage; why should I be around it? If you don't like something, and it's around you, don't you want to get away from it? And as for the racist remark, I have black friends. So shut the hell up.

Yeah, I went there Dio. I can't help that I'm still bitter that African-Americans in California voted overwhelming for the ban against gay marriage.

Seems like I'm not racist, but someone else it.

[Mmmmmmmmmm]

Delete this.

[Shinn Kamiyra]

Uh, I'm not nowhere near that, and you shouldn't accuse anyone of that---that's just wrong. I don't agree to gay marriage; why should I be around it? If you don't like something, and it's around you, don't you want to get away from it? And as for the racist remark, I have black friends. So shut the hell up.

Seems like I'm not racist, but someone else it.

I won't bother trying to dissuade anyone as to their opinion on gay marriage; however, let's not turn this into anymore of a flame war then it already is. We had enough of that nonsense with the troll (Mavericker). We don't need to be doing it ourselves when we're intelligent enough to converse on a mature level.

Ah, and one more thing. I realize I hadn't any place in the original conversation; however, Capernicus merely stated a dissatisfaction with the overwhealming support of the black population in California as a means by which to help support the gay marriage ban. Were I to say that I were dissatisfied with both the senior citizens' majority decision as well as the black population's majority decision, would it be alright that I felt that way towards the former, but not the latter? In either case, it doesn't matter, because I don't believe it's worth it to think about it as being right or wrong. Those are simply one's feelings on the matter; and unless said person has the intent of trying to force those feelings on someone else, which is not the case at the moment, let us not drag it out into something it wasn't meant to be.

[Capernicus]

I didn't agree with the way you were doing it.



Uh, I'm not nowhere near that, and you shouldn't accuse anyone of that---that's just wrong. I don't agree to gay marriage; why should I be around it? If you don't like something, and it's around you, don't you want to get away from it? And as for the racist remark, I have black friends. So shut the hell up.



Seems like I'm not racist, but someone else it.

God, you're so...unintelligent. It's called an analogy. Know what that is? And I'm not racist, as I said I'm bitter at one minority group for discriminating against another. There's no racism involved.

[Mmmmmmmmmm]

God, you're so...unintelligent. It's called an analogy. Know what that is? And I'm not racist, as I said I'm bitter at one minority group for discriminating against another. There's no racism involved.

You know, all you care about is passing gay marriage. Everyone elses' opinion is wrong. I remember threads when people just say post your opinion and leave it at that. But here I state it, and I'm basically trying to get 'proved' wrong for an opinion. AF contradicts itself too much.

[Capernicus]

You know, all you care about is passing gay marriage. Everyone elses' opinion is wrong. I remember threads when people just say post your opinion and leave it at that. But here I state it, and I'm basically trying to get 'proved' wrong for an opinion. AF contradicts itself too much.

...THIS THREAD DOES NOT SOLICIT OPINIONS!

How odd this thread blew up while I was at work.

To Miss Moonlight and, to a much higher degree, Rem Nightfall: please, just stop it. I'm so very tired of every gay thread starting a flame war. Did either of you ever stop to wonder why I made the thread? It wasn't so that Maru or any of the other misc mods could close it down for flame baiting and other miscellaneous rule-breaking. It wasn't even meant to debate whether gay marriage should be legal or not! I was to report on the oddity of Iowa accepting gay marriage and speculate on whether or not it will spread to other states (as is the case in Vermont). As a member of the gay community, I would like to speak on behalf of us all and ask you not to "help" us. I think Piper agrees with me (though he didn't say it).

To Wio: just face it, not everyone is as analytical and logical as you. And really, you're a little in the wrong (not to mention unrealistic) to expect them to. It would be nice if people would stop and really think about why they believe the things they do, but it's not likely to happen. And, it annoys people when you do it.

To strumpet: you know what, you're sick. You are the equivalent of stubborn white supremacist in the deep south during the 50s. "I don't care for gay marriage as long as they keep it away" sounds an awful lot like "I don't care if niggers go to my school as long as they can't use the same bathroom/drinking fountain/swimming pool as me".

Yeah, I went there Dio. I can't help that I'm still bitter that African-Americans in California voted overwhelming for the ban against gay marriage. Thus, my little side comment on reparations. (You'll be glad to know that I'm also bitter towards senior citizens, who also voted overwhelming for the ban.)

And for the record, gays are just like everyone else. Most are not going to hit on you if you obviously don't want the attention. Also, most do not like public displays of affection (ie making out). It's amazing how some people are ignorant enough to think these things. We're human, not a whole other species.

[Mmmmmmmmmm]

...THIS THREAD DOES NOT SOLICIT OPINIONS!

I didn't start it, but I'm dropping out of this thread anyways.

[Miss Moonlight]

I'm sorry, Capernicus. But usually these kinds of topics start flamewars anyway because of the vast number of differing opinions. My intention was not to flame, but to point out to strumpet, perhaps not in the most mature way I guess, that homosexuals deserve the same rights. But, he doesn't seem to understand anyway, so oh well. :[

[[Spoiler]]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040300376.html

Iowa, whodda thunk it? For shame California! Good for you Iowa, you're awesome! And from the rural midwest? I never realized it was so progressive.

This is my hope: As Iowa goes, so goes America.

A sign that we're living in the end times.

[Dr. Evil]

Okay, I support gay marriage so any state that legalizes it is okay in my book.

[OmegaAlpha]

I don't even know why it's an issue.
Gay people should be able to get married.
The fact some people are "against" it should not even matter.
To hell with ignorance and bigotry.

[Mmmmmmmmmm]

I don't even know why it's an issue.
Gay people should be able to get married.
The fact some people are "against" it should not even matter.
To hell with ignorance and bigotry.

If people are able to do what they want, do you realize where we would be right now?

[OmegaAlpha]

If people are able to do what they want, do you realize where we would be right now?

I think people should be able to do what they want so long as they don't infringe on other people's right to do the same.

I don't know "where we would be" if we actually lived in a free country where homosexuals were not discriminated against. Please enlighten me on the horrors of freedom.

[Amray The II]

I did not know that some places still banned such things as Gay Marriage, honestly. I live in an authentic free country, you see. There are no changing rooms that seperate black people from white people here, and that is how it bloody should be! An individual should have the right to be able to do something that they want with no hassle: if it does not directly disregard anothers persons' human rights, of course.

[OmegaAlpha]

I did not know that some places still banned such things as Gay Marriage, honestly. I live in an authentic free country, you see. There are no changing rooms that seperate black people from white people here, and that is how it bloody should be! An individual should have the right to be able to do something that they want with no hassle: if it does not directly disregard anothers persons' human rights, of course.

You're right about gay people being allowed to marry but you're wrong about England being an authentic free country. The streets of London have cameras everywhere monitoring every movement. Your free speech laws are questionable too. I think your firearm laws are tough as well. I'm not saying America is any better off but England does not represent "authentic" freedom either.

Back to topic though. I think this thread was meant to be a congrats to Iowa for being a cut above many of the other American states in the area of civil liberties for homosexual couples. Iowa should be proud of itself for that. Even "liberal" California does not have true equality for homosexuals.

It's sad that it turned into a debate about the overall issue.
(but what would you think would happen with such a touchy subject?)

[Rem Nightfall]

How odd this thread blew up while I was at work.

Rem Nightfall: please, just stop it. I'm so very tired of every gay thread starting a flame war. Did either of you ever stop to wonder why I made the thread? It wasn't so that Maru or any of the other misc mods could close it down for flame baiting and other miscellaneous rule-breaking. It wasn't even meant to debate whether gay marriage should be legal or not! I was to report on the oddity of Iowa accepting gay marriage and speculate on whether or not it will spread to other states (as is the case in Vermont). As a member of the gay community, I would like to speak on behalf of us all and ask you not to "help" us. I think Piper agrees with me (though he didn't say it).

I wasn't trying to create a flame war. I wasn't do of the sort. I'm bisexual, so I think I have a little say on what people are saying.
I wasn't creating a flame war. But even so talking about Iowa and the oddity of their legalship of gay marriage was going to turn into a conversation like this. Whether or not I was here.
And I didn't break any rules that I know of.

[Amray The II]

You're right about gay people being allowed to marry but you're wrong about England being an authentic free country. The streets of London have cameras everywhere monitoring every movement. Your free speech laws are questionable too. I think your firearm laws are tough as well. I'm not saying America is any better off but England does not represent "authentic" freedom either.

The many camera's are there, mainly in London for obvious reasons, due to the British citizens requesting them. Britain is a small, democratic nation so the people make the rules and the requests. Those camera's are also there to prevent people breaching other peoples' human rights, which is why we have talking cameras for the police to speak through when someone causing trouble comes along. A lot of people pleaded for these camera's to their local MP, and they got them. All is free and fair with that.

Anyway, the cemera's are only in the most populated cities such as London and Manchester for police purposes. When something bad happens police are on the scene within seconds. As I am an honest and active citizen that causes no problems to socirty I would never complain at such a thing.