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    Default Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Apparently he thought of his actions as if he was playing some kind of FPS, because that's exactly what his video looks like. Only difference is, this was REAL LIFE, not a video game. This nut went and shot the a news crew while they were live on the air, and filmed the first part of his attack with what appears to be a smart phone (I'm assuming, based on the image dimensions).

    Here's the direct link to the video as recorded live by the news crew when they came under attack. You can see the view of the camera slowly fall to the ground, when the cameraman got shot and slumped to the ground while holding the camera. Note that while this video does document a very horrendous incident, there is no actual footage of anybody receiving any gunshot wounds in the video (the camera is pointing at the ground before the reporter gets shot, and the video is pointing away from the cameraman when he got shot, as he was the one filming the reporter), so moderators, please don't remove this link on the grounds of it being "too violent".


    Here's the direct link to the 1st person perspective video that was filmed by the shooter himself. Note that while this video does document a very horrendous incident, there is no actual footage of anybody receiving any gunshot wounds in the video (the murderer puts the camera away and the video ends after firing the first several shots and missing, there is no footage of anybody being wounded by any gunshots), so moderators, please don't remove this link on the grounds of it being "too violent".


    Moderators, please also note that while the website TheYNC (and the ads it runs) does often have pornographic material, the links I provided are direct links to the video files, not links to the pages at TheYNC on which the video was originally embedded. Therefore there is no pornographic material accessible by visiting either of those links. So again, moderators, please don't remove my the video links in this post.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    After looking at the two videos it seems a bit off. In the first one he the camera man drops first. In the second one he's up and the gunman targets the reporter first. Seems a bit weird to me. I'm sure those videos will be removed shortly though. What a horrible thing for someone to do. Still this thread could get removed even if it doesn't show wounds...
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirito View Post
    After looking at the two videos it seems a bit off. In the first one he the camera man drops first. In the second one he's up and the gunman targets the reporter first. Seems a bit weird to me. I'm sure those videos will be removed shortly though. What a horrible thing for someone to do. Still this thread could get removed even if it doesn't show wounds...
    The videos appear to match up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightfighter501 View Post
    The videos appear to match up.
    I don't know, it just seems like to me in the first video the cameraman goes down a lot quick than in the other one. Could just be the angle messing with me, not sure.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirito View Post
    After looking at the two videos it seems a bit off. In the first one he the camera man drops first. In the second one he's up and the gunman targets the reporter first. Seems a bit weird to me. I'm sure those videos will be removed shortly though. What a horrible thing for someone to do. Still this thread could get removed even if it doesn't show wounds...
    Maybe instead of removing it, it would be better to move it to the "serious discussion" section. That's probably where I should have put it in the first place.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Discussing the incident is fine, videos of people dying are most certainly not. AF isn't liveleak.

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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Not reading VG's wall of text since he usually exaggerates and doesn't take the sitaution seriously but is this about the reporter and Bryce Williams?

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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou Ace View Post
    Discussing the incident is fine, videos of people dying are most certainly not. AF isn't liveleak.
    Yeah figured as much, wasn't too sure though. Thanks for that clear up.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    1. He did NOT think of the incident like a FPS or anything of the sort. He was a disgruntled employee who had a pretty bad record with previous employers too. Just because someone records something doesn't tie into video games AT ALL. And clearly video games is not the motive here. He was disturbed and very upset towards his job/coworkers. Some say he said he was experiencing race discrimination against him was involved and he had a sexual harassment claim on him from HR. Either way the story isn't 100% solved at this point but it's definitely work related.

    2. If you're not going to report serious news accurately, don't report at all. I would suggest a new thread and this one be closed for being a misleading thread if possible

    3. Oh and in case you didn't know the shooter killed himself, was in critical condition but later died. Because that bit of information is important too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    1. He did NOT think of the incident like a FPS or anything of the sort. He was a disgruntled employee who had a pretty bad record with previous employers too. Just because someone records something doesn't tie into video games AT ALL. And clearly video games is not the motive here. He was disturbed and very upset towards his job/coworkers. Some say he said he was experiencing race discrimination against him was involved and he had a sexual harassment claim on him from HR. Either way the story isn't 100% solved at this point but it's definitely work related.

    2. If you're not going to report serious news accurately, don't report at all.

    3. Oh and in case you didn't know the shooter killed himself, was in critical condition but later died. Because that bit of information is important too.
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    But on a serious note I understand what you mean, and in my opinion saying things like "FPS" or "video game" in relation to something as horrible as this can lead to even more people or the media blaming all types of similar events to this on video games etc.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirito View Post
    Angel, it's AnimeDude posting here I mean what do you expect lol. Also to summon the great Kaitou Ace like you did earlier, you must sacrifice 3 monsters that are level 5 or higher!
    All it takes is a cellular device with SMS capabilities....

    But I will not approve and will continue to condemn VG's actions because "oh it's just VG/AD" does not fly with me and is a terrible excuse for not taking serious matters seriously and reprimand where appropriate. Honestly this is much too soon and serious and was a poor choice of expression on OP's behalf....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    All it takes is a cellular device with SMS capabilities....

    But I will not approve and will continue to condemn VG's actions because "oh it's just VG/AD" does not fly with me and is a terrible excuse for not taking serious matters seriously and reprimand where appropriate. Honestly this is much too soon and serious and was a poor choice of expression on OP's behalf....
    I know I understand I get aggravated when VG posts these things but it's so much (or at least it was so much) that it became a norm so I just was joking with my first statement, hence the whole "On a serious note" paragraph I wrote. But like I said I agree with you on this. I figured it would've been taken down at the beginning anyways. On another note, I don't know the whole story but I'm sick of seeing these shootings on the news. I mean even at the Pokemon World Championship they arrested those two guys who brought guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition to the event.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Yeah, shootings feel like theyve been happening more and more as of late.

    Apparently he worked at a news station that terminated him before being a bit aggressive, he then filed a lawsuit saying he was discriminated against and the claims were unfounded and dismissed. Further aggravated, he decided to film himself shooting down a camera man and a field reporter. He posted the video on social media, sent out a few tweets, then shot himself.

    Its sad, because from my understanding they really had nothing to do with Bryce [real name Vester Flanagan] being let go, they were just gunned down because he ran into them [I suppose?]. Its just a sad, sad story

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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ωmega View Post
    Yeah, shootings feel like theyve been happening more and more as of late.

    Apparently he worked at a news station that terminated him before being a bit aggressive, he then filed a lawsuit saying he was discriminated against and the claims were unfounded and dismissed. Further aggravated, he decided to film himself shooting down a camera man and a field reporter. He posted the video on social media, sent out a few tweets, then shot himself.

    Its sad, because from my understanding they really had nothing to do with Bryce [real name Vester Flanagan] being let go, they were just gunned down because he ran into them [I suppose?]. Its just a sad, sad story
    It was a calculated ambush. We should expect to see more of this in the future. I am federal LE, I expect to get gunned down every time I leave the office lol.

    And yeah, this is the saddest story I have seen in a long time.

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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Yeah, absolutely nothing to do with gaming of FPS's or anything like that. This is a horrible and tragic event that ended in two people dead, and a lot of people affected, losing their loved ones, friends and family both.

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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou Ace View Post
    Yeah, absolutely nothing to do with gaming of FPS's or anything like that. This is a horrible and tragic event that ended in two people dead, and a lot of people affected, losing their loved ones, friends and family both.
    I'd read a bit about it, but not too much (just the headlines), and I had assumed that the reason he had chosen to film himself committing the crime was because he considered himself to be carrying out some kind of IRL (in real life) version of video game violence, and had wanted to make sure that his IRL video game violence was filmed for the world to see. Most shooters don't film themselves doing the shooting. So I had assumed he was one of those "loner kid" types who immerse themselves so much in video games that they lose their sense of the fantasy versus reality, and so they end up doing things in real life that are similar to what they do in video games, including terrible acts of violence.

    I'm not in ANY WAY attempting to make light of what happened. My thoughts are with the families of those who were killed.
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    Default Re: Madman with a gun films his actions with a smart phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Animedude5555 View Post
    I'd read a bit about it, but not too much (just the headlines), and I had assumed that the reason he had chosen to film himself committing the crime was because he considered himself to be carrying out some kind of IRL (in real life) version of video game violence, and had wanted to make sure that his IRL video game violence was filmed for the world to see. Most shooters don't film themselves doing the shooting. So I had assumed he was one of those "loner kid" types who immerse themselves so much in video games that they lose their sense of the fantasy versus reality, and so they end up doing things in real life that are similar to what they do in video games, including terrible acts of violence.

    I'm not in ANY WAY attempting to make light of what happened. My thoughts are with the families of those who were killed.
    Video game violence? What planet do you hail from?

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    Discussing the incident is fine, videos of people dying are most certainly not. AF isn't liveleak.
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    I was just reading through the OP as my roommate started talking about it being mentioned on TV. Neither of the videos were shown over the News for obvious reasons, but they were easy enough to find online so I figured I'd see what exactly went down.

    How horrible. Really terrible. The fact that he so casually walked up to them and just stood there with the gun pointed at them for a few seconds without anyone noticing is absolutely chilling. Once he fired the first time, he didn't stop until his Glock was empty. This doesn't just seem like a stressed out guy frustrated with his coworkers, I mean he even waited for the cameraman to pan back to the women before open firing. Capturing the scene from his phone wasn't enough for him, he decided to let the whole thing be seen over live news. The guy clearly had some sick mental problem along with all that pent-up frustration. Regardless, this is a very tragic thing. I haven't read too much into it, but it doesn't sound like the victims had any direct relation with the suspect. So he didn't take revenge on the people that 'harassed' him, he just decided to kill some random strangers that happened to work where he used to. What a nutcase. My thoughts go out to the all people who were affected by this.

    And VG, don't be stupid. Just because it doesn't explicitly show the people taking their last breaths on camera, doesn't mean that they weren't filmed as they were being killed.

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    How is it that being 7 hours and over 1000 miles away I still am better informed of breaking news than this? Must be because I'm in the future or something. -smh.- Thanks @blueangel06661 , and @Kaitou Ace for catching this quickly.

    Anyways for the thread. Due to the nature and seriousness of the situation, and lack of thereof with the thread. Plus the fact that the thread can easily get derailed (I'm already seeing the signs for an early derailment). I'm closing this.

    No offense, but a discussion about him videotaping himself shooting can take place easily in a news/current events thread about the shooting. And no, talking about a guy filming himself shooting isn't serious enough for the Serious Talk section, because there's no where to go with it.
     
    So he filming himself shooting people, okay. Are we really going to talk about his narcissism and filming himself or are we going to talk about him shooting people? In which there's already a thread that covers gun violence there. Just need a thread about narcissism in general and everything's covered

    But I digress. A thread covering the shooting as a whole can easily be made and this topic can easily be covered in that without derailing the thread too much.

    If you want to make a new thread to cover the shooting as a whole, like a proper news/current events thread, that's okay and yes the fact that the shooter filmed himself can be covered with the videos being left out. VG if you want/need help with making a "proper" news/current events thread or some do's/don'ts, I can assist you with that.
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