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    Thumbs up Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    Basicaly do you believe we need incentives for entrepreneur's to start thinking of solutions for the issue's we face today?

    Do we need a incentive to get Entrepreneur's doing what they do best?
    What issue's do they need to work on?

    Personaly I would like to see people researching something to replace fatty stuff in food. For this it would have to be cheap, and tasty but healthy as possible too.

    Then if not that I would like to see research into clean energy solutions. There is already a lot of this but I feel as if there is still a lot we don't know.

    Also ways to plug an oil leak at over 9000 meters. No seriously they keep drilling deeper and deeper without finding a way to fix a leak if one should happen. Go ahead and do some research into this and be pissed off that you are the same species as these people. I know I was.

    Your thoughts?
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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    It is in my personal opinion that we should have people, who's job it is (and get paid serious money for it) to create new ideas for innovation.

    As it is now, creativity is not rewarded unless it becomes some sort of huge business. This is a massive hindrance in how we move towards tomorrow, and I feel we would do best to correct it asap.

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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    It's not that people aren't trying, the problem is that innovation doesn't work that way. Unlike engineering, it's very much an undirected process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ericgamer1 View Post
    It is in my personal opinion that we should have people, who's job it is (and get paid serious money for it) to create new ideas for innovation.

    As it is now, creativity is not rewarded unless it becomes some sort of huge business. This is a massive hindrance in how we move towards tomorrow, and I feel we would do best to correct it asap.
    We had. Companies like AT&T had entire departments filled to the brim with brilliant engineers and scientists dedicated to essentially messing about until they found something cool they could use*. Nowadays, that doesn't exist anymore. Not just at AT&T, but anywhere. It's all marketing and lawyers, nobody wants to pay for R&D.

    * and many great things came of this as well.


    The whole patent mess is another hurdle. It's broken down completely. Instead of protecting the small guy from competition while he gets set up, big companies are preemptively patenting everything, so no matter what you invent, someone has already come up with the idea (note that this is the idea, they haven't actually implemented it), and sue the pants off you if you dare implement their intellectual property without paying them.
    Last edited by Eris; 08-03-2010 at 01:05 PM.
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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    We had. Companies like AT&T had entire departments filled to the brim with brilliant engineers and scientists dedicated to essentially messing about until they found something cool they could use*. Nowadays, that doesn't exist anymore. Not just at AT&T, but anywhere. It's all marketing and lawyers, nobody wants to pay for R&D.

    * and many great things came of this as well.
    So, basically short term profits and gains outweigh long term solutions and innovations.

    Just goes to show how short-sighted some people can be. This is sad.

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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ericgamer1 View Post
    It is in my personal opinion that we should have people, who's job it is (and get paid serious money for it) to create new ideas for innovation.

    As it is now, creativity is not rewarded unless it becomes some sort of huge business. This is a massive hindrance in how we move towards tomorrow, and I feel we would do best to correct it asap.
    I agree fully.
    About the job comment, who would hire them? I already have an idea like government, but just saying that even 1/10th of these would be government jobs would make a lot of people against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongue View Post
    I agree fully.
    About the job comment, who would hire them? I already have an idea like government, but just saying that even 1/10th of these would be government jobs would make a lot of people against it.
    The purpose of government, (and I've probably said this about a gazillion times by now) is to:

    • Uphold the constitution
    • Serve and protect the people

    And that's it.

    So by employing people to create innovations, (as opposed to just creating profits for the company as the case for the private sector is concerned), you do nothing but help the people.

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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    @ericgame1: But don't you think that finding a solution to certain issue's will protect the people?
    Example
    Finding the cure to aid's if it is possible.

    Now you don't have to give them jobs, maybe set a reward for anyone that can solve an issue. Maybe a cheap way to protect a home/crop from some type of bug that dose not belong to the US or any country and is spreading fast.
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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    @Rongue: not excatly.

    Look at it like this: The government is going to hire you and give you X amount every hour for every new idea you think up/create some kind of product with testable results/etc PLUS a big bonus for finding things like, as you said, a cure to AIDs and such.

    This way, you maximize the amount of innovation, and minimize the time needed to create/discover/whatever.
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    That's government according to the lassiez-fairewiki liberal tradition (and I don't mean liberal as in democrat, they're social liberal, not economic liberal.) Just felt it needed to be pointed out. There are other economic traditions that emphasize a big public sector. Keynesian economicswiki, for example.

    The ideal government is probably somewhere in-between. With lassiez-faire your economy will be efficient, but unstable; and with Keynesian economics, it will be more stable but less efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    That's government according to the lassiez-fairewiki liberal tradition (and I don't mean liberal as in democrat, they're social liberal, not economic liberal.) Just felt it needed to be pointed out. There are other economic traditions that emphasize a big public sector. Keynesian economicswiki, for example.

    The ideal government is probably somewhere in-between. With lassiez-faire your economy will be efficient, but unstable; and with Keynesian economics, it will be more stable but less efficient.
    Wait, was that directed at me? Because I'm talking about expanding the public sector, which.. is pretty much anything but lassiez-faire.

    Or, maybe I'm just looking at wrong. I'm a tad confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericgamer1 View Post
    Wait, was that directed at me? Because I'm talking about expanding the public sector, which.. is pretty much anything but lassiez-faire.

    Or, maybe I'm just looking at wrong. I'm a tad confused.
    Huh, I thought you was arguing against that. My bad, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Huh, I thought you was arguing against that. My bad, I guess.
    Hm, I thought you already knew, which is why I got confused. It is not a problem.

    Just for future reference though, just know that I support mixed market economy with a much larger emphasize put on the Socialist side.

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    Default Re: Entrepreneur incentives for solutions.

    Please don't use the term 'incentives' as Obama's "one day fish for those who don't fish". All I say they need is a good whipping. Since all inventions are enterprise-based, it looks like humanity can only evolve if they pay, which isn't getting us anywhere pretty fast.
    I came back from a 22 Km stroll on a bicycle with a friend. On the road we were inspired by a battery recycling bin, so we talked through how sick we are of paying the garbage removal services AND putting the effort to recycle (which we don't, by the way). People should just throw recyclable material in the same bin and the garbage companies should have people to sort it out later, or at least invest in technology that will do that automatically, but nooo, they're too busy inventing penalty systems for those who don't recycle properly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongue View Post
    Personaly I would like to see people researching something to replace fatty stuff in food. For this it would have to be cheap, and tasty but healthy as possible too.
    Actually, what we need is people to stop producing hypocalorical crap that keeps you fat anyway, and fat, swiny people need to learn to eat it less.


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