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    can someone tell me if the last airbender is considered an anime or cartoon?
    i was reading somewhere on the internett that someone said it was a cartoon, but IMO it seems like a anime, and what is it that makes it cartoon and not a anime?

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    I heard American made Anime,though I'm not completely sure.

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    Anime = Cartoon.

    "Anime" is the word used by the Japanese do describe all things that are animated. Therefore anything that is animated is anime.

    Here in the West we've altered the use of "anime" to specifically refer to Japanese cartoons.


    So it depends on whether you want to use the original Japanese definition of anime, or the altered Western definition.


    As far as I'm concerned, it's an anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gjallarhorn View Post
    Anime = Cartoon.

    "Anime" is the word used by the Japanese do describe all things that are animated. Therefore anything that is animated is anime.

    Here in the West we've altered the use of "anime" to specifically refer to Japanese cartoons.


    So it depends on whether you want to use the original Japanese definition of anime, or the altered Western definition.


    As far as I'm concerned, it's an anime.
    Except, there are literary structures in Anime, that are not found in Western cartoons...
    Anime, is just a Japanese word for animation, yeah.
    But, there's also a literary distinction between Anime, and other cartoons.
    Since, it's origin is Eastern.
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    If you mean 'anime' as in Bleach or Naruto(hate), then no, I don't consider it an anime at all.

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    "Anime" outside of Japan is just Japanese cartoons. In Japan all cartoons are called anime. Avatar is not an anime. Just because it has inspired by anime themes does not make it anime. People who say it is an anime are usually the same people who think that they too can create an anime one day. They can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Father View Post
    "Anime" outside of Japan is just Japanese cartoons. In Japan all cartoons are called anime. Avatar is not an anime. Just because it has inspired by anime themes does not make it anime. People who say it is an anime are usually the same people who think that they too can create an anime one day. They can't.
    Yes yes... I agree here.
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    Anime = "animated stuff" made by japanese.
    The others = cartoon.
    --> Last air bender = cartoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Father View Post
    "Anime" outside of Japan is just Japanese cartoons. In Japan all cartoons are called anime. Avatar is not an anime. Just because it has inspired by anime themes does not make it anime. People who say it is an anime are usually the same people who think that they too can create an anime one day. They can't.
    Yes, its people like them who make reading American-made manga painful to the brain. Its also these people that make it aceptable to take everything the japanese have worked hard for in their animation studios and throw it up in a crappily animated American cartoon. WE ALL NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE, SO STOP TRYING SO HARD!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 小美ドクロchan View Post
    ....................and you're going by a definition from an online dictionary that anyone could write in?

    Lawl.
    before looking like an idiot I suggest you actually back your claim

    I have presented my side but you have so far shown nothing to support yours
    If you doubt the veracity of the definition I ask you show one that says differently

    not just what you think
    but something more concrete

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    Quote Originally Posted by MangaFanGuy View Post
    before looking like an idiot I suggest you actually back your claim

    I have presented my side but you have so far shown nothing to support yours
    If you doubt the veracity of the definition I ask you show one that says differently

    not just what you think
    but something more concrete
    How about the millions of otaku who attend cons who would say the same thing? It's not really something I can "back up"...I just think it's common knowledge if you're an anime fan....*shrugs*

    It's like.........asking someone to prove that it's rude to drivers to jaywalk. It's.......well.......like, how do you prove that, exactly?

    Besides, I DID give you proof, if you read the rest of my post. Cons don't regard American cartoons (which Avatar is) as anime and neither do video stores. You won't find Avatar DVDs in the anime section at Best Buy, you will find them in the Family/Children's section. You are not allowed to submit an Avatar music video in an AMV contest because it's not an anime.
    Isn't that good enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 小美ドクロchan View Post
    How about the millions of otaku who attend cons who would say the same thing? It's not really something I can "back up"...I just think it's common knowledge if you're an anime fan....*shrugs*
    no it's not "Common knowledge"
    It is "Common Opinion"
    Opinions are not definitions orfacts (Unless backed by facts)
    It's like.........asking someone to prove that it's rude to drivers to jaywalk. It's.......well.......like, how do you prove that, exactly?

    I don;t even see how they comparable
    One is the definition of a word (Anime)
    The other is a subjective idea of a persons action
    Besides, I DID give you proof, if you read the rest of my post. Cons don't regard American cartoons (which Avatar is) as anime and neither do video stores. You won't find Avatar DVDs in the anime section at Best Buy, you will find them in the Family/Children's section.

    Thats funny
    Cos guess where you find the Avatar DVDS in video stores where I am.....
    You are not allowed to submit an Avatar music video in an AMV contest because it's not an anime.
    ok
    Why? Who made this rule? and why did they make it
    Isn't that good enough?
    no
    You haven't provided proof
    All you have provided is an argument ad populum
     
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    Originally Posted by 小美ドクロchan
    ....................and you're going by a definition from an online dictionary that anyone could write in?

    Lawl.

    Quote Originally Posted by MangaFanGuy View Post
    before looking like an idiot I suggest you actually back your claim

    I have presented my side but you have so far shown nothing to support yours
    If you doubt the veracity of the definition I ask you show one that says differently

    not just what you think
    but something more concrete
    http://www.animeyume.com/site_featur...ictionary.html
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anime
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anime
    http://********.com/hub/Anime-Dictionary

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    i think Gjallarhorn is right so i'l just call it an anime

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    It's not an anime and should not be called one unless you ARE Japanese. Japanese call all cartoons "anime". An American calling a cartoon not made in Japan "anime" is like calling chicken noodle soup "ramen" or calling American soda "ramune". It's just.........yeah, that's not what it is.

    So I have to disagree with Gjallarhorn. Look dude, if someone is asking if Avatar is anime, what they MEAN to ask is "Was Avatar made in Japan?"
    The correct answer is "no".
    Don't confuse people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 小美ドクロchan View Post
    It's not an anime and should not be called one unless you ARE Japanese. Japanese call all cartoons "anime". An American calling a cartoon not made in Japan "anime" is like calling chicken noodle soup "ramen" or calling American soda "ramune". It's just.........yeah, that's not what it is.

    So I have to disagree with Gjallarhorn. Look dude, if someone is asking if Avatar is anime, what they MEAN to ask is "Was Avatar made in Japan?"
    The correct answer is "no".
    Don't confuse people!

    "Anime" has nothing to do with whether or not it's made in Japan. That's simply what the Japanese call all animation, no matter where it is from. They call Dragonball "anime", and they also call The Lion King "anime".

    Therein, saying anime is synonymous with saying cartoon. Same thing, different word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gjallarhorn View Post
    "Anime" has nothing to do with whether or not it's made in Japan. That's simply what the Japanese call all animation, no matter where it is from. They call Dragonball "anime", and they also call The Lion King "anime".

    Therein, saying anime is synonymous with saying cartoon. Same thing, different word.
    And likewise, we in America use "pissed" to describe someone who is angry and "series finale" to mean the final episode of a TV series, therefore the UK must use those words exactly like that. Oh wait no, those words mean something different there and it's not our business to tell them otherwise.

    Come on man, 99.99999% of people in America use "anime" to describe Japanese cartoons. You can get on your hill and scream "ignorance!" to the masses (which would include the Avatar creators themselves, BTW, since they've flat out called Avatar anime-inspiried using the western "definition") but nobody cares. As far as we're concerned, Avatar is not an anime, and it's not anyone's right to demand we use a word in a certain way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doom85 View Post
    And likewise, we in America use "pissed" to describe someone who is angry and "series finale" to mean the final episode of a TV series, therefore the UK must use those words exactly like that. Oh wait no, those words mean something different there and it's not our business to tell them otherwise.

    Come on man, 99.99999% of people in America use "anime" to describe Japanese cartoons. You can get on your hill and scream "ignorance!" to the masses (which would include the Avatar creators themselves, BTW, since they've flat out called Avatar anime-inspiried using the western "definition") but nobody cares. As far as we're concerned, Avatar is not an anime, and it's not anyone's right to demand we use a word in a certain way.
    For real!! This is what I tried to point out! When a person is asking if a show is anime or not, they want to know if the Japanese made it!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gjallarhorn View Post
    "Anime" has nothing to do with whether or not it's made in Japan. That's simply what the Japanese call all animation, no matter where it is from. They call Dragonball "anime", and they also call The Lion King "anime".

    Therein, saying anime is synonymous with saying cartoon. Same thing, different word.
    Really, that is interesting though it makes perfect sense. So a lot of us have been using the term anime incorrectly. So I guss it dose not mater what you call this then.
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    It carries some major themes and mottifs of Japanese animation. This is enough. This someone CAN do. Regardless of where they are from. In fact the number of people who have is growing. Teen Titans was another American production with themes inspired by the styles and mottifs commonly associated with Japanese Animation. I actually say Japanese Animation more frequently than I say anime. Thats what I do. Not telling anyone else to. Its not even a soap box, it just comes naturally for me to say that because I discuss animation from a lot of different countries. (Most recently in fact I've been viewing work from the Estonian Animation Festival in Tallinn. They had a pretty funny one about two American FBI agents who didn't know where Estonia was.)

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    Actually all of us have. Its a word of foreign origin used differently here than in its home country. It isn't the first example. See Kindergarten, sushi, and a bunch of other words. I don't get upset with people calling it anime if its not made in Japan. I don't get upset when they use anime to refer to all cartoons. I do get upset when people make such a big deal over such a really insignificant issue.

    Enjoy the art. If you want to call it fiddily-biddly-bopop-shapow, I'm behind you.

    I'm really against cliquishness more than anything else. A good first step towards this is exiling people who can't jive your jargon. Not that anyone here is doing this in particular, but it exist, and I can't stand it.

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    If you want to call it Anime then go for it
    American-Anime or Anime-based/inspired are other terms I have heard to describe it

    Personally I think it is an anime
    Anime is a distict style and this one fits

    Who really cares if it is from Japan or not really
    Just call it how you see it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MangaFanGuy View Post

    Who really cares if it is from Japan or not really
    Because that totally negates the definition?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Father View Post
    There is no such thing as an anime style. Robot Carnival is an anime and it doesn't look like what you would associate with anime.
    Looks aren't everything
    Anime has a style as different from the most western style cartoons

    Avatar fits more with what we would call Anime
    Quote Originally Posted by 小美ドクロchan View Post
    Because that totally negates the definition?
    Dictionary definitions of "Anime"
    –noun
    a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality.

    -anime

    Japanese for "animation," a term that seems to have arisen in the 1970s, apparently based on Fr. l'animé, from the same root as animate. Manga (q.v.) is Japanese for "comic book, graphic novel," but anime largely are based on manga and until 1970s, anime were known in Japan as manga eiga or "TV manga." The two terms are somewhat confused in Eng


    n. A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art and often adult themes.


    They call it a style developed in Japan but nothing more
    nowhere do they say that anime are ONLY from japan

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    Personally I think it is an anime
    Anime is a distict style and this one fits
    There is no such thing as an anime style. Robot Carnival is an anime and it doesn't look like what you would associate with anime.

    Doom85 has probably made the most reasonable post so far on this subject.

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    Come on man, 99.99999% of people in America use "anime" to describe Japanese cartoons. You can get on your hill and scream "ignorance!" to the masses (which would include the Avatar creators themselves, BTW, since they've flat out called Avatar anime-inspiried using the western "definition") but nobody cares. As far as we're concerned, Avatar is not an anime, and it's not anyone's right to demand we use a word in a certain way.
    Good lord, he's just telling you the implications and what fits the requirments of being dubbed 'anime', he's right even if the majority of people don't know they're wrong.

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