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    Default 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    漫画に書いています。。。=_=; (平安時代)
    もしかして「さあ、行きましょう!」とかと思ったんですけど。。。「行かん」なら。。。「行けません」の意 味と同じじゃないですか?

    誰か、教えて? >_<
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    Quote Originally Posted by 小美ドクロchan View Post
    漫画に書いています。。。=_=; (平安時代)
    もしかして「さあ、行きましょう!」とかと思ったんですけど。。。「行かん」なら。。。「行けません」の意 味と同じじゃないですか?

    誰か、教えて? >_<
    This is some obsolete dialect expression that means "Let's go". Its pronunciation is "いざ かん", not "いざ かん".

    いざ means "now", and 行かん is a dialect form of 行かない, which means "don't/doesn't go". So in this sense, it means something like "(Why) don't (we) go now?" In other words, "Let's go."

     
    I found this expression in some doujin song I transliterated a while ago, but I was too lazy to Google it. But thanks to you, now I know the answer. (Though I made a not-bad guess back then.)


    EDIT: Removed a stupid joke.
    Sorry, I thought it was funny. No offense was intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akuNoHikari View Post
     
    Ah, and sorry for replying in English... but my Japanese skills are like Japanese people's English skills.
    That's a bit harsh considering the fact that both Datenshi and I have fairly decent English skills (well, way more than decent in Datenshi's case). =P
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    I was hoping someone gave a decent answer to this.

    Actually -n is also archaic present tense. But I for the love of god can't find an example to vouch for this...

    Okay maybe:
    フォースがともにあらんことを May the Force be with you.
    et cetera.

    And stop stereotyping.

    EDIT: Further reading here.
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    Dunno, "n" could be a variant of classical japanese jodoushi "mu" (which is spoken and read as "n") and is added to the mizenkei (v1) form of a verb.
    It means, if I remember correctly, future conjecture "may" or "going to"

    I'm not really good at this but in detail it should be :
    "ari" - as basic-form "ara" as mizenkei form and "mu" = aramu (aran).

    我がビル飲まむ。 "I',m gonna drink beer." Or more likely "I might be drinking beer (later)."
    (And yes, they most likely had no beer back then ^^)

    Hope that qualifies as explanation... again: I'm not really good at this and have no idea if this is right or was what you seek for ^^

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    どうも

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    direct translation to modern Japanese:

    さあ、行こう!
    saa ikou!
    Alright, Let's go!
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    Default Re: 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    I'm a Japanese student.
    I'd like to explain what "いざ行かん!" means.
    However, I poor at English.
    So...never mind, please.

    "いざ行かん" is composed of these parts

    いざ + 行か + ん

    いざ means "come on".
    This phrase is used when you want other person to do something with you.

    行か means "go"
    (行か=行く)
    ※The reason why this difference - か, く - comes up...
    It is difficult to explain...
    Ah...
      Just the way all your country people don't say "difference thoughts", Japanese don't say "行くん", too
      This is the matter of word's linkage.

    Lastly, ん is used to be written in the form of む.
    You could understand this reason by pronouncing ん and む.
    ん is a new letter of む.
    む was used in 1000 B.C. japan.
    む is "will" (volition)

    Thus, いざ行かん means Let's go.

    Then, Why doesn't 行かん means 行かない?
    (It is a wrong thought that 行かん means "(Why) don't (we) go now?" )

    行かん which means 行かない is a dialect.
    In this case, originally letter of this ん is ぬ.
    ぬ means "not".
    Because of 行かん which means 行かない is a dialect and a colloquial expression, If you find "いざ行かん" in written, ”いざ行かん” means "Let's go".

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    Default Re: 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    解説をどうも・・・ でも、亀レスすぎね・・・?

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    Default Re: 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    たまたまsurfしてたらこスレ見つけて
    古文好きだし、英語の練習がてら書いてみたいな-と思って書いただけなので 笑

    ウサギでも亀でもないです

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    Default Re: 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    古文がすき

    英語の勉強
    のついでに書いただけなので 笑

    にしても

    いざ行かん
    なんて平安後期とかのイメージが強いんだけれども。
    何を読んでるんだろ、>>1は。

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    Default Re: 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    実際、人に教えるのは最良の勉強法だっていいますしね。他の方々も参照できるし、いいんじゃないでしょうか 。

    >何を読んでるんだろ、>>1は。
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    Default Re: 「いざ行かん!」の意味はなんですか?

    古文がいいですね。見た目も響きもかっこいいと思いますし。

    私の行った大学の古文の教授はなんだかダメな先生だったので、
    1学期しか勉強できなかったのは残念でしたけどね、笑。

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