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    Hey guys, I just wanted to ask something. It is that what, if there is no heaven and hell..hmm....simply..nothing?

    I mean just think if all these heaven and hell things are rumors and after our death, we wouldn't just exist, then, what?

    I get very scared when I ever think so and we don't really have any firm evidence that heaven or hell do exist or after death, our soul will live..

    If I am right, then what?

    Well, according to me, then, I would just want to live or like hmm..stay immortal..for I really do wanna exist and if it is so then *gulps*...we won't exist...what say?
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    ain't nothing you could do about no heaven in hell. if you die you won't exist but you won't exist so it really won't bother you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo Duck View Post
    If If's and But's were Candy and Nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas....

    ain't nothing you could do about no heaven in hell. if you die you won't exist but you won't exist so it really won't bother you.
    i agree completely if you won't exsist then there is no possible meaning to think about it
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    to follow up my point, as if i had 1, dam i feel a rant coming on........this is why i never got the Reincarnation thing, being reincarnated into a animal or even another human being, you can't remember your former life so whats the point of reincarnation?i guess it could be possible in the What Dreams May Come sense of it if heaven does exist and you choose to live another life or to be born again..........but whats that say about heaven?how great of a place could it be if you would want to get reincarnated?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo Duck View Post
    to follow up my point, as if i had 1, dam i feel a rant coming on........this is why i never got the Reincarnation thing, being reincarnated into a animal or even another human being, you can't remember your former life so whats the point of reincarnation?i guess it could be possible in the What Dreams May Come sense of it if heaven does exist and you choose to live another life or to be born again..........but whats that say about heaven?how great of a place could it be if you would want to get reincarnated?
    You might want to do a little bit more research before you start posting a random rant about something you have very little knowledge off. It makes you look a little bit stupid. Just a little.
    By adressing it as "the reincarnation thing," you clearly show to me it how much you know about it.
    In some religions, reincarnation is seen as a bad thing. Buddhism for example, sees life as suffering. You suffer through out your entire life and you're finally freed from it afterwards. Being reincarnated to go through all that pain again is more of a punishment there.
    Also, you're contradicting your own post by saying; "This is what I think of reincarnation, this is what I think of Heaven, this is what I think of it and here's my opinion," where you earlier stated that : "
    ain't nothing you could do about no heaven in hell. if you die you won't exist but you won't exist so it really won't bother you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redictus View Post
    You might want to do a little bit more research before you start posting a random rant about something you have very little knowledge off. It makes you look a little bit stupid. Just a little.
    By adressing it as "the reincarnation thing," you clearly show to me it how much you know about it.
    In some religions, reincarnation is seen as a bad thing. Buddhism for example, sees life as suffering. You suffer through out your entire life and you're finally freed from it afterwards. Being reincarnated to go through all that pain again is more of a punishment there.
    Also, you're contradicting your own post by saying; "This is what I think of reincarnation, this is what I think of Heaven, this is what I think of it and here's my opinion," where you earlier stated that : "
    ain't nothing you could do about no heaven in hell. if you die you won't exist but you won't exist so it really won't bother you."
    buddishm is like all religions..........dumb, stupid, and full of lies.you only know whats gonna happen when you die, i was just simply thinking about other things and at no time mentioned a religion specifically so why would you bring one up?i never said anything about buddism i was just speaking about ppl who believe in and want to be reincarnated, and there are ppl who want to be, so now you look dumb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo Duck View Post
    buddishm is like all religions..........dumb, stupid, and full of lies.you only know whats gonna happen when you die, i was just simply thinking about other things and at no time mentioned a religion specifically so why would you bring one up?i never said anything about buddism i was just speaking about ppl who believe in and want to be reincarnated, and there are ppl who want to be, so now you look dumb.
    Again, do your research. Buddhism is not much of a religion. It's a common mistake made by a lot of people. Buddhism is more of a philosophy, but seeing we 'worship' someone you could say it is.

    I brought it up because you said, and I quote:
    this is why i never got the Reincarnation thing, being reincarnated into a animal or even another human being, you can't remember your former life so whats the point of reincarnation?
    You first say it's useless to think about reincarnation then you go ahead and rant about it with little to no knowledge, and even shoving a "religion is stupid, now you're the one who looks dumb" into my face? That doesn't only make you an ignorant and contradicting person, but also a very rude and disrespectful one.

    i was just speaking about ppl who believe in and want to be reincarnated, and there are ppl who want to be, so now you look dumb.
    Ah yes, out of all the people here that have posted here, I can see a distinct message of: "I want to be reincarnated for these reasons."
    Gj.

    Also, there's nothing wrong about being reincarnated in my opinion. As Genki Dama stated, she wants to keep existing. People want to live, that's what's programmed into our heads. "Live, survive, don't die" If people want to be reincarnated, whether it be as a dog, a bee or a human, it is because they want to live. That is, 'if' they want to. I'm sure there are enough people out there who say: "Oh man, I'm tired of living. Give me the sweet endless rest, please."
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    I'm 99 years old, and I never thought about it!
    To think, all this time I thought I was going to heaven, to Shoop Da Whoop Peter's face all day, and kick little winged babies off my property. Hey, what about Black Heaven and Hell? Would those still exist?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redictus View Post
    Again, do your research. Buddhism is not much of a religion. It's a common mistake made by a lot of people. Buddhism is more of a philosophy, but seeing we 'worship' someone you could say it is.

    I brought it up because you said, and I quote:

    You first say it's useless to think about reincarnation then you go ahead and rant about it with little to no knowledge, and even shoving a "religion is stupid, now you're the one who looks dumb" into my face? That doesn't only make you an ignorant and contradicting person, but also a very rude and disrespectful one.


    Ah yes, out of all the people here that have posted here, I can see a distinct message of: "I want to be reincarnated for these reasons."
    Gj.

    Also, there's nothing wrong about being reincarnated in my opinion. As Genki Dama stated, she wants to keep existing. People want to live, that's what's programmed into our heads. "Live, survive, don't die" If people want to be reincarnated, whether it be as a dog, a bee or a human, it is because they want to live. That is, 'if' they want to. I'm sure there are enough people out there who say: "Oh man, I'm tired of living. Give me the sweet endless rest, please."
    are you drunk or something?talk about contradicting........you say it's not much ofa religion....NEWSFLASH!!!!.........it's still a religion......ppl classify there religion as buddist,than you say noone wants to be reincarnated by your pshycic poll of all AF members, i forgot the whole 6 billion ppl on earth were also on AF.than you make the point ppl do want to be reincarnated........you need to make some sense.and read a lil bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo Duck View Post
    are you drunk or something?talk about contradicting........you say it's not much ofa religion....NEWSFLASH!!!!.........it's still a religion......ppl classify there religion as buddist,than you say noone wants to be reincarnated by your pshycic poll of all AF members, i forgot the whole 6 billion ppl on earth were also on AF.than you make the point ppl do want to be reincarnated........you need to make some sense.and read a lil bit.
    Where have I ever said:
    than you say noone wants to be reincarnated
    ?

    you need to make some sense.and read a lil bit.
    You... should reread what I wrote then. It's not really my fault if you don't understand my opinion on your useless 'rant'.

    Anyhow, this isn't the place to for your or my 'rants.' It's becoming a flamewar.
    If you want to continue this feel free to send me a PM. I'm not going to reply to this anymore.
    Not everything is black and white like that.

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    hmm...yea, but guys..you say that if we don't exist then it won't bother us. But we are existing at the moment. Well, it is true that some people want to die as to acquire peace, but what if we won't acquire it, we don't just sustain....I mean, that is scary..and I truly want to exist, either as a human or a lone soul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genki Dama View Post
    hmm...yea, but guys..you say that if we don't exist then it won't bother us. But we are existing at the moment. Well, it is true that some people want to die as to acquire peace, but what if we won't acquire it, we don't just sustain....I mean, that is scary..and I truly want to exist, either as a human or a lone soul!
    lol i can tell your 13..........no point in thinking about it while your alive unless they invent a immortal pill.it's scary but thats life, Death, all things must come to an end so sit back and enjoy the ride while it lasts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Genki Dama View Post
    Hey guys, I just wanted to ask something. It is that what, if there is no heaven and hell..hmm....simply..nothing?
    You're too young to be thinking about that, you have your whole life ahead of you. And my answer is simple. If you die, and you were a believer in [Religion X], and you go to heaven, you're golden. You'd have to be a pretty bad person to wind up in hell, so you probably don't need to worry there anyway. However, if you die and you were not a believer in [Religion X], if this God fellow is loving, forgiving, and perfect, you might get a chance at redemption anyway. Maybe not. Lastly, if you die, and there's nothing there, you won't know the difference anyway.

    My advice is to be the best person you can, and not worry about what happens when you die. Only worry about the kind of person you've been all your life when it's your time to go. The rest will sort itself out one way or another.

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    Genki no matter what, choosing to believe gets it's result.

    (Going off topic) Age does not matter when it comes to the lives people lead and the choices they make are the result of the philosophies they hold, whether they are conscious of this fact or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie Poo View Post
    Genki no matter what, choosing to believe gets it's result.
    Isn't choosing to believe a contradiction or some such? If you can simply choose what you believe, then belief is utterly pointless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie Poo View Post
    (Going off topic) Age does not matter when it comes to the lives people lead and the choices they make are the result of the philosophies they hold, whether they are conscious of this fact or not.
    Though age, or rather mental maturity, does make a difference in what philosophies you can grasp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Isn't choosing to believe a contradiction or some such? If you can simply choose what you believe, then belief is utterly pointless.
    This reminds me of a past conversation I once had:
    Belief is the equivalent of Doubt; they are both unsure.
    Imagine all those people in church who yell "I believe in God!"; don't they know they're stating "I doubt God!" in a manner of speaking?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2012 View Post
    I really wouldn't care. I'm dead. If there is nothing, then I would be too busy being dead to realize it.

    There is no evidence of hell or heaven. There never will be.
    I agree.
    Though I'd like to believe there's at least a heaven.
    To know that all my loved ones have somewhere to go. ^_^
    Although, being reincarnated doesn't bug me either.
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    No one really knows what happens after death so it just might be that we cease to exist. Its nothing to fear, everything has a beginning and end. Just feel happy that you got a chance to live as who you are and enjoy it to the fullest.

    Even after you die, someone will remember you, so in a way you don't really cease to exist. I mean, we still learn and talk about people who lived thousands of years ago even though they're gone, so does anyone ever cease to exist?
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    We don't really know what happens after death,do we?So if we really want to know about heaven or hell then we'll just have to find out by dying.But no one can come back from death so we have to live without knowing what happens after our death.And so I don't really believe in hell or heaven.Some people do and I respect them because it's up to them to believe.And so I don't believe what some people say...I won't believe unless I find some evidence.^_^ but if I ever go to a place like those after my death then I would believe in heaven and hell.
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    Then that pretty much means we go nowhere after death. Simple and easy. :]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genki Dama View Post

    I get very scared when I ever think so and we don't really have any firm evidence that heaven or hell do exist or after death, our soul will live..

    If I am right, then what?
    heaven exists, Hell exists..because god exists.
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    I actually take comfort in believing that there is nothing after death.

    I have no problems with people that are religious, it's the fallout of that effect that I find myself disatisfied with. A warping of ideas and such that causes people to basically think that they can justify almost any action. But also, because it seems that nowadays religious groups have injected themselfs into the law process, and while it is /legal/ for interest groups to throw money at the law bodies, it does seem to deminish "sepertation of church and state".

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