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    Talking Your Own Martial Art

    Like myself, it appears many of you animeforum.com regulars are honorable warriors. I was wondering if anyone had taken their talents to create a style all their own. How did you develop it? What was your inspiration? For example, I have adopted an exquisite downward slash from Bleach into my own nodaichi style. This is for unarmed and close range weapon arts only, dishonorable gun techniques do not belong here.

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    I can't quite figure out if you're for real, or if you're Steven Seagal trolling AF.

    Because the resemblance to your avatar is uncanny:

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    Martial arts alone will not save you from the zombies. =/


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    I've mastered the art of breaking skulls with a flick of a used dental floss. I wonder if Mr. Seagal would consider it honorable tho...

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    Sorry, but I quit the martial arts thing at 16. I realized no matter how skilled a fighter you are won't stop a bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    I can't quite figure out if you're for real, or if you're Steven Seagal trolling AF.
    Right about now is when Mr. Acumen responds with "Touché!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Owly McOwl View Post
    Sorry, but I quit the martial arts thing at 16. I realized no matter how skilled a fighter you are won't stop a bullet.
    Sorry, gotta step in on this one.

    I'll grant you that you're right in that it's not possible for a normal human to literally stop a bullet, however many martial arts advocate advanced degrees of perception and being able to predict your opponent's moves. With this in mind, it cannot be said that martial arts are completely useless in situations involving a gun. If you're of a sufficient level, it's more than possible to dodge a bullet and be able to get off a counterattack.

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    Or, more likely, use that common sense martial arts are supposed to teach you to avoid situations where folks with guns may come for you as much as possible, and further expand that common sense into accurately assessing the threat presented. Not every fight is worth fighting.

    And that's my srsns for the day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post
    Or, more likely, use that common sense martial arts are supposed to teach you to avoid situations where folks with guns may come for you as much as possible, and further expand that common sense into accurately assessing the threat presented. Not every fight is worth fighting.

    And that's my srsns for the day.


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    Fortunately, running into a gun user is not likely in Japan, due to strict gun control laws. Is there any wonder as to why Japan is pretty much the last honorable place on earth?
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    You're not in Japan. You're in PA. Your post makes no sense... at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinn Kamiyra View Post
    Sorry, gotta step in on this one.

    I'll grant you that you're right in that it's not possible for a normal human to literally stop a bullet, however many martial arts advocate advanced degrees of perception and being able to predict your opponent's moves. With this in mind, it cannot be said that martial arts are completely useless in situations involving a gun. If you're of a sufficient level, it's more than possible to dodge a bullet and be able to get off a counterattack.
    Won't work against a sufficient gun slinger. Against an expert marksman, you need speed+luck with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotten Show View Post
    You're not in Japan. You're in PA. Your post makes no sense... at all.
    You don't watch enough Seagal. Steven Seagal is always in Japan! Even in America, Steven Seagal is in Japan!

    In every single movie, at the first opportunity that arises, he dashes to japan town, buys random Japanese things it makes no sense for him to buy, like chopsticks and herbs, and speaks to the shopkeeper in fluent Japanese to show how cool and Japanese he is. Then some random villains bust through the window, he beats them up, and apologizes to the shopkeeper in Japanese, before bowing and exiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by xAl-san View Post
    Won't work against a sufficient gun slinger. Against an expert marksman, you need speed+luck with you.
    In close combat, guns are pretty useless though, besides for pistol-whipping people, as you need to be at least arm's length to use a gun efficiently. And to actually have the upper hand, you need several arms' length (long enough to prevent the opponent to reach the gun). No matter how good a marksman you are, a reasonably skilled martial artist will take you down with little trouble in close combat, as they can (depending on the discipline) fight efficiently at much shorter distances than that, in hand to hand, and especially with a short, bladed weapon.
    Last edited by Eris; 12-16-2009 at 07:47 PM.

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    Granted the marksman would fight against the close combat expert. But I doubt he/she will. If the melee attacker gets close, jumping back will gather some distance for a quick shot. I would think the gun slinger would shoot down the attacker before they even get close.

    Running out of bullets is also a big disadvantage. But like Mr. Seagal said, there is no honor in guns. Run like hell, reload, and come back for the kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinn Kamiyra View Post
    Sorry, gotta step in on this one.

    I'll grant you that you're right in that it's not possible for a normal human to literally stop a bullet, however many martial arts advocate advanced degrees of perception and being able to predict your opponent's moves. With this in mind, it cannot be said that martial arts are completely useless in situations involving a gun. If you're of a sufficient level, it's more than possible to dodge a bullet and be able to get off a counterattack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    In close combat, guns are pretty useless though, besides for pistol-whipping people, as you need to be at least arm's length to use a gun efficiently. And to actually have the upper hand, you need several arms' length (long enough to prevent the opponent to reach the gun). No matter how good a marksman you are, a reasonably skilled martial artist will take you down with little trouble in close combat, as they can (depending on the discipline) fight efficiently at much shorter distances than that, in hand to hand, and especially with a short, bladed weapon.
    Erm, close-quarters favors the firearm, especially the handgun. The only advantage someone unarmed will have over someone armed is the speed of the draw if the armed person must draw their weapon. The better trained the person using the firearm is, the more lopsided this becomes. There's a good reason why the pistol replaced the rapier at the armed citizen's side...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus View Post
    lulwut?
    ...Is there supposed to be a question here? If you're having some confusion over the technical aspects of what I'm talking about, then please feel free to PM me and I'll be glad to explain them to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinn Kamiyra View Post
    ...Is there supposed to be a question here? If you're having some confusion over the technical aspects of what I'm talking about, then please feel free to PM me and I'll be glad to explain them to you.
    You cannot dodge a bullet. So if you're having fantasies of The Matrix, just stop. What you can do is have faster reflexes and move before the gun is fired. That is in no way dodging a bullet.


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    Sure a martial artist may avoid my first shot. However, there are 15 more in the magazine behind it, and another full magazine in waiting. I haven't developed a martial art. I have guns. I have knives. Sooner or later I'll have a sword, but it won't be a Japanese one. Sooner or later I'll also own an assault rifle.

    If I had to stop someone right now, and I couldn't shoot them, I'd grab a blunt object and swing it at them. I'm not a knife-fighter. I'm not really a fighter at all. But I'm a pretty good shot with my pistol - good enough for a perfect score on the state exam for my security license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capernicus View Post
    You cannot dodge a bullet. So if you're having fantasies of The Matrix, just stop. What you can do is have faster reflexes and move before the gun is fired. That is in no way dodging a bullet.
    Judging by your comment, I'll assume you didn't feel the need to PM. As such, please allow me a moment to explain to you what it is I'm talking about.

    First of all however, there's one real problem I have with your theory; and that is in that the person holding the gun still hasn't fired it yet. Even if what you've suggested were to be tried, the advantage would almost certainly still be in the hands of the one holding the gun because it takes far less time to make an adjustment in firing position and get off a shot than for the one trying to move about to get out of the way again.

    Now then, what I was trying to suggest is a bit different; and it certainly does require one with highly trained and fast reflexes.

    Instead of moving about before the gun is fired, you keep a watchful eye on the one holding the gun; and more importantly, on the finger resting on the trigger. By doing this you can keep a clear frame of reference as to exactly where the bullet is going to be fired. Now, the moment you see the finger is beginning to pull in on the trigger, you immediately move to the side; and just as the bullet is fired from the gun, it narrowly misses you because you were able to predict where it was going and when it was coming.

    I admit that the theory itself is not perfect and it would certainly require some very sharp reflexes on the part of the one doing the dodging; however, it's not impossible.

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    I'm going to tell you its impossible. You cannot actually see the finger on the trigger, as the trigger guard is present. Many of them are as wide or wider than the trigger itself. The time it takes for the trigger to be squeezed and the hammer to fall, and fire the round is some fraction of a second and surely depends on the model. However, assume this - My Springfield 9mm has quite a sensitive trigger. I squeeze a little and the trigger flange releases the final safety - go look up Springfield XD if you don't understand - and it takes minimal effort to fire. You'd have to watch the muscles in my hand or forearm, and in a darker place, or the heat of the moment you won't see that.

    The bullet leaves my muzzle at approximately 1100 feet per second. Guesstimated from a table found here. http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/9...%20Special.htm

    Your body, no matter what your reflexes, no matter what theory you have in your head, simply cannot move to compensate for that. If you're in "range" of me that means you and I are fifteen feet or less away from one another. My bullet moves around 1100fps. Can you? No. Therefore, dodging a bullet in the sense you've presented is impossible. Your theory requires that you be The Flash, Neo, or a Jedi to succeed.

    There are a few things you could do to increase your chances, but if you've been drawn on and you're not dead, you can assume that the other is either a police officer, or has some sort of reservation about killing you - even if it's only to take your money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra Commander View Post
    I'm going to tell you its impossible. You cannot actually see the finger on the trigger, as the trigger guard is present. Many of them are as wide or wider than the trigger itself. The time it takes for the trigger to be squeezed and the hammer to fall, and fire the round is some fraction of a second and surely depends on the model. However, assume this - My Springfield 9mm has quite a sensitive trigger. I squeeze a little and the trigger flange releases the final safety - go look up Springfield XD if you don't understand - and it takes minimal effort to fire. You'd have to watch the muscles in my hand or forearm, and in a darker place, or the heat of the moment you won't see that.

    The bullet leaves my muzzle at approximately 1100 feet per second. Guesstimated from a table found here. http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/9...%20Special.htm

    Your body, no matter what your reflexes, no matter what theory you have in your head, simply cannot move to compensate for that. If you're in "range" of me that means you and I are fifteen feet or less away from one another. My bullet moves around 1100fps. Can you? No. Therefore, dodging a bullet in the sense you've presented is impossible. Your theory requires that you be The Flash, Neo, or a Jedi to succeed.
    Actually, a bullet can travel at anywhere between 900 feet a second to 5000 (Yeah, a MILE) a second, depending on the type of weapon you're using.

    Unless the gunner is cross-eyed or just a terrible shot, you're pretty much screwed.
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    Yes, actually they can. I have a revolver that has speeds down to 700fps. However, my figure was an average 9mm Luger shot, since that is a commonly known and used caliber. That, and I have one so I can go look on the ammo box if I need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra Commander View Post
    Yes, actually they can. I have a revolver that has speeds down to 700fps. However, my figure was an average 9mm Luger shot, since that is a commonly known and used caliber. That, and I have one so I can go look on the ammo box if I need to.
    I was agreeing with you. Hell, look up Winchester .223 magnum; that thing fires bullets at 1220 meters per second, which is about 4000 feet per second.
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    I know, I was just clarifying the type of ammunition we're talking about. I suppose it could happen that someone would face a rifle at close distance. Moreso even, a shotgun. In that case, there's no hope. I almost forgot...there's a Taurus revolver that fires .410ga shells. Nasty little thing, I bet.

    I remember selling those winchester -using rifles when I worked at that one Walmart. The cartridge was freakish. We had .223 WSSM. We sold a ton of them, I have no idea how good they were.

    Muzzle velocity is definitely important. At a close range, I don't know that it really matters, I can't see someone dodging even the slowest of bullets. I don't know what the slowest is, specifically.

    It comes down to the skill of the user. Someone would be more likely to survive an encounter with me, than with one of the military folks here. I might hesitate, even if I did pull the trigger. Maybe they would too. But I'm just a civilian with a high capacity magazine.

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